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ironjustice@aol.com - 03 Apr 2006 21:33 GMT
Vegetarian diets cause major weight loss

A scientific review in April's Nutrition Reviews shows that a
vegetarian diet is highly effective for weight loss. Vegetarian
populations tend to be slimmer than meat-eaters, and they experience
lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and other
life-threatening conditions linked to overweight and obesity. The new
review, compiling data from 87 previous studies, shows the weight-loss
effect does not depend on exercise or calorie-counting, and it occurs
at a rate of approximately 1 pound per week.

Rates of obesity in the general population are skyrocketing, while in
vegetarians, obesity prevalence ranges from 0 percent to 6 percent,
note study authors Susan E. Berkow, Ph.D., C.N.S., and Neal D. Barnard,
M.D., of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM).

The authors found that the body weight of both male and female
vegetarians is, on average, 3 percent to 20 percent lower than that of
meat-eaters. Vegetarian and vegan diets have also been put to the test
in clinical studies, as the review notes. The best of these clinical
studies isolated the effects of diet by keeping exercise constant. The
researchers found that a low-fat vegan diet leads to weight loss of
about 1 pound per week, even without additional exercise or limits on
portion sizes, calories, or carbohydrates.

"Our research reveals that people can enjoy unlimited portions of
high-fiber foods such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains to
achieve or maintain a healthy body weight without feeling hungry," says
Dr. Berkow, the lead author.

"There is evidence that a vegan diet causes an increased calorie burn
after meals, meaning plant-based foods are being used more efficiently
as fuel for the body, as opposed to being stored as fat," says Dr.
Barnard. Insulin sensitivity is increased by a vegan diet, allowing
nutrients to more rapidly enter the cells of the body to be converted
to heat rather than to fat.

Earlier this month, a team of researchers led by Tim Key of Oxford
University found that meat-eaters who switched to a plant-based diet
gained less weight over a period of five years. Papers reviewed by Drs.
Berkow and Barnard include several published by Dr. Key and his
colleagues, as well as a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women
showing that meat-eaters are more likely to be overweight than
vegetarians and vegans.

>From PCRM

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TC - 03 Apr 2006 21:52 GMT
Yep, malnourishment will do that.

TC

> Vegetarian diets cause major weight loss
>
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> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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vernon - 03 Apr 2006 23:53 GMT
> Yep, malnourishment will do that.
>
> TC

And so will "ample" vegetables and fruits.

Fruit cake liars such as the twit ironjustice doesn't know that.

>> Vegetarian diets cause major weight loss
>>
>> A scientific review in April's Nutrition Reviews shows that a
>> vegetarian diet is highly effective for weight loss. Vegetarian
>> populations tend to be slimmer than meat-eaters,

Because they are unhealthy and amino acids (muscles) starved.
Joe the Aroma - 03 Apr 2006 21:53 GMT
> Vegetarian diets cause major weight loss

Sure... if it's muscle loss. Low carbohydrate diets do the same.

> Rates of obesity in the general population are skyrocketing, while in
> vegetarians, obesity prevalence ranges from 0 percent to 6 percent,
> note study authors Susan E. Berkow, Ph.D., C.N.S., and Neal D. Barnard,
> M.D., of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM).

Haha, the PCRM. Nice try, k00k.
Mr, Mrs, Miss & Masters Hammond - 03 Apr 2006 22:53 GMT
Did you know that Carl Lewis was a Vegan and he had plenty of muscle

>> Vegetarian diets cause major weight loss
>
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>
> Haha, the PCRM. Nice try, k00k.
Mr, Mrs, Miss & Masters Hammond - 03 Apr 2006 22:57 GMT
Athletes Vegan and Vegetarian

Sports Personalities

    * Hank Aaron (home run champion in major league baseball) Source: A
Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
    * B J Armstrong (US Basketball star)
    * Al Beckles (body builder)
    * Sorya Bonali (ice skater)
    * Les Brown (veteran runner)
    * Peter Burwash (tennis)
    * Andreas Cahling (body builder)
    * Andreas Cahling (bodybuilder)
    * Chris Campbell (1980 world champion wrestler)
    * Joanna Conway (ice skater)
    * Sylvia Cranston (triathlete)
    * Sally Eastall (Marathon runner - UK No 2, vegan)
    * Di Edwards (runner, Olympic semi-finalist)
    * Katie Fitzgibbon (marathon runner)
    * Clare Francis (sailer)
    * Louis Freitas (body builder)
    * Carol Gould (marathon runner)
    * Estelle Gray (cyclist) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
    * Sammy Green (runner)
    * Ruth Heidrich (3-time Ironman finisher, marathoner, age-group
record holder, Pres. Vegetarian Society of Honolulu) (vegan) Source:
personal acquaintance, also...her book--A Race for Life
    * Sally Hibberd (British Women's Mountain Bike Champion)
    * Sharon Hounsell (Miss Wales Bodybuilding Champion)
    * Desmond Howard (formerly w/Washington Redskins, now
w/Jacksonville Jaguars) Source: PETA mailer
    * Roger Hughes (Welsh National Ski Champion)
    * David Johnson (BAA coach)
    * Kathy Johnson (Olympic Gymnast)
    * Alan Jones (British ski jumper)
    * Billie Jean King (tennis champion) Source: A Teen's Guide to
Going Vegetarian
    * Killer Kowalski (wrestler) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
    * Jack LaLanne (Fitness guru) (vegan)
    * Donnie LaLonde (Former Light Heavyweight Champion of the World.
(Lost title to Sugar Ray Leonard)) Source: Article in San Jose Mercury News
    * Tony LaRussa (Manager of St. Louis Cardinals - US team) Source:
PETA, Animals Agenda, Animals Voice, Veg Times, others
    * Silken Laumann (Olympic rower) Source: Cooking Television Show
    * Judy Leden (British, European & World Hang Gliding champion)
    * Marv Levey (Buffalo Bills Coach)
    * Jutta Müller (multiple Windsurfing World Cup Champion) Source:
Flutlicht 95/6/18 on Südwest 3 (German TV program)
    * Jack Maitland (triathlete and fell runner)
    * Cheryl Marek (cyclist) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
    * Leslie Marx (fencer;1996 woman's epee national champion)
    * Kirsty McDermott (runner)
    * Lindford McFarquar (body builder)
    * Robert Millar (cyclist)
    * Katherine Monbiot (world champion arm wrestler and nutritionist)
(vegan) Source: The Vegan Society UK
    * Monika Montsho (weightlifter, 2 x runnerup GB Championships 60kg,
NW woman weightlifter of the year 1991)
    * Edwin Moses
    * Martina Navratilova (Retired Tennis Champion) Source: Magazine
Interviews/Genesis Awards
    * Julie Ann Niewiek (Basketball commentator) Source: Grand Rapids
press/ Image Magazine
    * Paavo Nurmi
    * Robert Parish (Center - Warriors, Celtics, Hornets, Bulls)
Source: Hearsay
    * Bill Pearl (Bodybuilder, Mr America) Source: Getting Stronger by
Bill Pearl, pg 399
    * Bill Pearl (Mr. Universe and bodybuilder) Source: A Teen's Guide
to Going Vegetarian
    * Anthony Peeler (NBA Grizzlies basketball player) Source: NBA web
site profiles
    * Dave Scott (five time winner of the Ironman Triathlon) (vegan)
"The New Laurel's Kitchen" cookbook
    * Debbie Spaeth-Herring (Georgia State power-lifter) Source: A
Teen's Guide to Going Vegetarian
    * Jonathon Speelman (chess)
    * Lucy Stephens (triathlete - vegan)
    * Jacques Vaughn (All American point guard, #1-ranked Univ of KS
Jayhawks) Source: Lawrence (KS) Journal World (numerous editions)
    * Kirsty Wade (runner)
    * Bill Walton (basketball player) Source: A Teen's Guide to Going
Vegetarian

> Did you know that Carl Lewis was a Vegan and he had plenty of muscle
>
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>>
>> Haha, the PCRM. Nice try, k00k.
ironjustice@aol.com - 04 Apr 2006 11:12 GMT
Sooooo .. what you are saying is PCRM has the journal .. Nutrition
Reviews .. in their .. pocket .. ?

Is that what you are saying .. ?

PCRM .. points it .. out ..

'They' didn't do the study ..

Bring up some negative reviews for the .. journal ..

Something OTHER than your .. opinion ..

Because frankly .. evidenced by your .. posts ..

Your opinion is worth .. dck ..

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ilsi/nure

Nutrition Reviews delivers to thousands of busy professionals timely
and authoritative reviews of significant research and investigation, as
well as in-depth discussion of recent international nutrition and
science policy advancements. Published since 1942, Nutrition Reviews is
edited at Tufts University by Robert M. Russell, MD, Director of the
USDA Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging. The journal's
contributors -- leading researchers, practitioners, and authorities in
fields related to nutrition and food science--survey hundreds of
international biomedical, nutrition, policy, and food science
publications for emerging issues of topical importance.

Publisher: International Life Sciences Institute

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DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
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Joe the Aroma - 05 Apr 2006 15:28 GMT
> Sooooo .. what you are saying is PCRM has the journal .. Nutrition
> Reviews .. in their .. pocket .. ?
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> DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
> http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

Cut the unnecessary elipses, fool.
Johnny Doe. - 06 Apr 2006 04:09 GMT
"Nutrition Reviews" is published by the "International Life Sciences
Institute"  The members of this group contain many of the big hitters
in toxic food, chemical additives and pharmaceutical companies see
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=International_Life_Sciences_Institute
 Also see http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/feb2006/2006-02-02-01.asp
for some interesting studies this group has backed.  Also see
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2006/02/06/world_health_organization_shuts_
out_industry_group_from_policy_setting_deliberations.htm

  So much for the integrity of this organization, they're tainted.
Paul M. Cook - 03 Apr 2006 22:12 GMT
> Vegetarian diets cause major weight loss

Woo Hoo!  Fettuccine Alfredo here I come!

Paul
Rob - 03 Apr 2006 22:18 GMT
> > Vegetarian diets cause major weight loss
>
> Woo Hoo!  Fettuccine Alfredo here I come!
>
> Paul

... and heavy on the Alfredo sauce. ;o)

Rob
Herman Rubin - 05 Apr 2006 16:00 GMT
>> Vegetarian diets cause major weight loss

>Woo Hoo!  Fettuccine Alfredo here I come!

Much of the problem comes from the animal part of
"Alfredo"; milk and cheese.

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TC - 05 Apr 2006 18:56 GMT
> >> Vegetarian diets cause major weight loss
>
> >Woo Hoo!  Fettuccine Alfredo here I come!
>
> Much of the problem comes from the animal part of
> "Alfredo"; milk and cheese.

Nope, the animal part of the dish is the only decent nutrition in it.
Good fresh milk or cream or cheese and eggs from healthy well raised
animals is extremely healthy and very nutrient dense food.

OTH, refined white flour pasta is basically empty carbs, empty
calories. And the gluten is the culprit in most chronic
gastro-intestinal problems like IBS and Crohn's disease.

Animal sourced foods wins over grains any day and in every way.

TC
Cubit - 05 Apr 2006 14:01 GMT
Movie stars that are slim seem to be either vegetarians, or have an illness
like diabetes type 1.

Just reading the labels on canned vegetables reveals the low caloric
density.

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

However, I agree with TC, that veganism is a form of malnutrition.
diving4silver@yahoo.com - 05 Apr 2006 21:01 GMT
I believe that judging from the vegtarians I have know that theyjust
don't know how to eat correctly.  They eat vegetables all right but
skip good protein sources and are essentially starving their bodies.
David Wright - 06 Apr 2006 04:23 GMT
>I believe that judging from the vegtarians I have know that theyjust
>don't know how to eat correctly.  They eat vegetables all right but
>skip good protein sources and are essentially starving their bodies.

A man walks into a doctor's office.  The man has a carrot sticking out
of one ear, beans in his hair, and a stalk of celery in his nose.  He
asks, "Doc, what's wrong with me?"  The doctor replies, "You're not
eating right."

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Roger - 13 Apr 2006 16:18 GMT
> Vegetarian diets cause major weight loss

About 18 months ago I posted some experiences I had with Ayurvedic
diet and lifestyle changes which had (in my opinion) improved my
blood glucose levels. My comments got the "must be selling
something", etc.

I'm still at it, but have tried to drop as much processed food as
possible - especially homogenised milk products and bread
which is not made of spelt flour.

Milk I only use full cream unhomegenised organic, take the cream
off to make kefir, the whole milk that is left has less fat than the
"low fat homegenised" stuff. I read (years ago) that homegenised
milk and milk powder was giving false positive readings for type
II diabetics but for the life of me cant find that reference now.

I eat fresh vegetables, eggs, cheese, tofu, use salt and sugar in
my cooking, I eat fish (dory, cod, mullet) maybe 4 times a week.
I love meat and indulge in a steak/roast maybe once a week. I
was drinking about 500mls of kefir daily but now only every other
day.

What am I doing - hmmm just following a diverse diet, nothing
in excess.

My results

Weight loss - 15kgs and stable at 90kgs
BGs all in the range of 6.5 to 8.5
Blood pressure down
Energy up
General well being (my own feeling) 7 out of 10
Nicky - 13 Apr 2006 21:12 GMT
> About 18 months ago I posted some experiences I had with Ayurvedic
> diet and lifestyle changes

> BGs all in the range of 6.5 to 8.5

Bit of a way to go still then. How are your exercise levels?

Nicky.

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Alan S - 14 Apr 2006 00:01 GMT
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>I eat fresh vegetables, eggs, cheese, tofu, use salt and sugar in
>my cooking, I eat fish (dory, cod, mullet) maybe 4 times a week.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Energy up
>General well being (my own feeling) 7 out of 10

Hi Roger

Add a few more steaks, fish and red wine to your menu and
you could be broadly describing my diet. As you said "a
diverse diet, nothing in excess".  

Whatever works for you. You've done very well on weight loss
and Bp. However, on BGs:
"BGs all in the range of 6.5 to 8.5", or for US readers:
"BGs all in the range of 117 to 153"

If you're talking about fasting BGs - those aren't real
good. If you're talking about one-hour post-prandials,
they're better but 8.5 is still a tad high if you are type
2. If they are 2hr post-prandials I'd suggest review of any
meal that had you at more than 7(126) at two hours. But
that's just my opinion.

You've been here a while. have you read this yet?
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 2x500mg
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Peter Bowditch - 14 Apr 2006 01:44 GMT
>> Vegetarian diets cause major weight loss
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>milk and milk powder was giving false positive readings for type
>II diabetics but for the life of me cant find that reference now.

False positive readings of what?

>I eat fresh vegetables, eggs, cheese, tofu, use salt and sugar in
>my cooking, I eat fish (dory, cod, mullet) maybe 4 times a week.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>General well being (my own feeling) 7 out of 10
>
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>>Milk I only use full cream unhomegenised organic, take the cream
>>off to make kefir, the whole milk that is left has less fat than the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>False positive readings of what?

G'day G'day Peter,

 Galactose affects some test strip reagents and not others. If our
sole concern was blood glucose we might get a tad excited that
something other than glucose was raising the glucose reading. Since
most any simple sugar will glycate protein I can't see what the
excitement is about.

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Ma¢k - 14 Apr 2006 13:17 GMT
>Weight loss - 15kgs and stable at 90kgs

what's that in lbs? good weight loss though.

>BGs all in the range of 6.5 to 8.5

117 to 153 BGs as a type 2?  Keep working at it you can get better
control.

>Blood pressure down

as compared to what?

>Energy up
>General well being (my own feeling) 7 out of 10

totally meaningless reference.

One does not have to follow your diet to get this level of control.
Many do far better simply following a customized lower carb diet than
what they used to eat.

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