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T2s: Progression halted?
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Michelle - 30 Mar 2006 21:15 GMT We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes. Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as we learned what to do to better take care of ourselves. My question is, for those of you who have done everything you can to put the brakes on progression, have you found that the condition has stabilized? If so, for how long?
Thanks, Michelle
Roger Zoul - 30 Mar 2006 21:55 GMT :: We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of :: diabetes. Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial :: diagnosis as we learned what to do to better take care of ourselves. :: My question is, for those of you who have done everything you can to :: put the brakes on progression, have you found that the condition has :: stabilized? If so, for how long? Yes. Well, I was dx'ed 24 years ago and still have no complications. :)
Jennifer - 30 Mar 2006 21:55 GMT I was diagnosed in June of 1999 with an A1c of 15.3
I brought it down to the normal range (under 6) by Oct 1999, using 1500mg of Metformin and a lowered carb approach.
I get tested every 3 months, and I have been consistantly between the 5.3 and 5.8, my highest (I had a big infection that quarter)... Earlier in my diagnosis (2000) I was in the high 4's but decided to add back some high quality, fiber filled carbs which raised me a bit.
So for almost 7 years I've been able to "maintain"... how long will that last? I have no idea.
One day at a time.
Jennifer
> We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes. > Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks, > Michelle % - 30 Mar 2006 22:34 GMT i've been at it 2 years , and been good in that short time
> We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes. > Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks, > Michelle James E. - 30 Mar 2006 23:49 GMT It's nice to hear some good stories about diabetes.
Age 77. I have been a Type 2 for 25 years. No symptoms as yet. Using 2g Metformin.
Keeping my fingers crossed. Hopefully, something else will get me before my diabetes does me in.
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> We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes. > Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks, > Michelle Ozgirl - 31 Mar 2006 00:09 GMT > We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes. > Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as > we learned what to do to better take care of ourselves. My question > is, for those of you who have done everything you can to put the brakes > on progression, have you found that the condition has stabilized? If > so, for how long? Yes, 6 years.
Michelle - 31 Mar 2006 00:27 GMT Thank you for your replies. It's very inspiring. :-)
I realized I had sugar problems last November and immediately got on the "eating to your meter" program. Now I never have any 1 hr readings over 140 or 2 hour readings over 120. Usually, even my 1 hour readings are under 120. I've reached a place where I'm not struggling so much, yet still feel the initial compulsion to do more--the same feeling of alarm that I had upon realizing the problem. I need to understand that while constant vigilance is necessary, maybe I've reached the place I was searching for--a program that works for me. It seems a little scary not to have to concentrate on it 24/7.
This is a little convoluted, but by seeing that you all have maintained your programs for a long period of time--in some cases, an incredibly long period of time--makes me see that I can "trust" in my program. I hope this makes sense.
Thanks again, Michelle
pinecone - 31 Mar 2006 03:51 GMT Michelle,
I freaked at first (April 2005), and came here and became obsessed with learning about it for quite a while as I worked with my doctor to get my numbers down. After I went through several close family members' deaths and some other serious family situations that forced my attention elsewhere this past year, I finally put it into perspective.
I was able to come off pills, but only after I learned to exercise *every* day (in the evening after dinner--it always lowers my BG by a minimum of 30 points) and rigorously watch what I eat and mix foods to slow my metabolism. I was testing a lot for about a year and a half (about 4 to 8 times daily), and now I rarely test more than 2X a day and, if I miss a day, I don't obsess.
pc
W. Baker - 31 Mar 2006 19:03 GMT : Thank you for your replies. It's very inspiring. :-)
: I realized I had sugar problems last November and immediately got on : the "eating to your meter" program. Now I never have any 1 hr readings [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : was searching for--a program that works for me. It seems a little : scary not to have to concentrate on it 24/7.
: This is a little convoluted, but by seeing that you all have maintained : your programs for a long period of time--in some cases, an incredibly : long period of time--makes me see that I can "trust" in my program. I : hope this makes sense.
: Thanks again, : Michelle I fully understand. It is like anything like weight control, etc. It is hard to adjust to achievign the goal and not still striving for further improvement, consantly seekign lower and lower Aics and pps. You haave reached a balance and shudl enjoy it without all the need to constantly tes 8 times a day, but ust be careful to periodically take a frequent test day or meal or two and keep reading here, to help keep ou on teh straight and narow. I find this group wonderful for that prupose.
Wendy
Michelle - 31 Mar 2006 21:04 GMT Once again, thanks for all the wonderful replies. I really appreciate it. I am relieved to hear that "most" everyone does not progress IF BS is properly managed. Julie, Temujin, thanks for sharing your stories. It sounds like you've got a lot more to contend with with your conditions. I'm sorry. Temujin, I understand your feeling concerning risk factors, except for genes. I, too, have never been overweight and while my diet is lower carb now, I was never a "junkfood junkie" so to speak. I've been walking daily for the past 15-20 years. Granted, it's not Robert Z's 60+ miles per week on the bike, but not exactly sedentary either. However, I do have the genes in my grandparents and great aunts. (For some reason it's not affecting the generation right before me.)
>I fully understand. It is like anything like weight control, etc. It is >hard to adjust to achievign the goal and not still striving for further >improvement, consantly seekign lower and lower Aics and pps. And Wendy, thanks. You've hit the nail right on the head. :-) Barbara--keep up the good work! And as Loretta says, "poo poo". (Hey, if saying "poo poo" wards of evil spirits, than I'm all for it. ;-)
Michelle
Nicky - 01 Apr 2006 09:41 GMT > And as Loretta says, "poo poo". (Hey, if saying "poo poo" wards of > evil spirits, than I'm all for it. ;-) Yeah, poo poo : )
Nicky.
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W. Baker - 02 Apr 2006 00:14 GMT : Once again, thanks for all the wonderful replies. I really appreciate : it. I am relieved to hear that "most" everyone does not progress IF BS [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] : great aunts. (For some reason it's not affecting the generation right : before me.)
: >I fully understand. It is like anything like weight control, etc. It is : >hard to adjust to achievign the goal and not still striving for further : >improvement, consantly seekign lower and lower Aics and pps.
: And Wendy, thanks. You've hit the nail right on the head. :-) : Barbara--keep up the good work! : And as Loretta says, "poo poo". (Hey, if saying "poo poo" wards of : evil spirits, than I'm all for it. ;-)
: Michelle To ward off those evil spirits it should be poo,poo,poo:-) At least that is what my Grandma said!
Wendy
Loretta Eisenberg - 02 Apr 2006 00:19 GMT Wendy, in my part of town, it is just two poos. lol
Loretta
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Ozgirl - 02 Apr 2006 01:28 GMT > Wendy, in my part of town, it is just two poos. lol 3 poos sounds like exasperation.
Michelle - 02 Apr 2006 01:52 GMT I'll use both the 2 & 3 poos, just to make sure my bases are covered.
:-) Michelle
W. Baker - 02 Apr 2006 04:11 GMT : I'll use both the 2 & 3 poos, just to make sure my bases are covered. : :-)
: Michelle If you were a guy, I bet you would wear a belt and suspenders too:-) As for Loretta, I will put my grandma up against her Grandma any day:-) She was a great gal!
Wendy
pacblue - 31 Mar 2006 00:20 GMT Hi,
I'm new here. I have been battling to stabilize my BG for the past 12 months, since being diagnosed T2. I work long hours and travel a fair bit which makes it difficult, but also I don't think I took the diagnosis seriously enough - oh yeah, I'll just take a pill - that'll fix everything. Now I realise that there are serious ramifications, if you're BG is all over the place for too long. I am now seriously trying to bring it under control. I'm slowly getting there. Sorry I guess I'm not really answering your question. I still have so much to learn about diabetes and diet, exercise, medication etc. Feeling a bit lost and confused at times, but I'll get there. This is a great forum, learnt a lot already just reading a few posts.
Mike
Michelle - 31 Mar 2006 00:32 GMT Hi Mike,
Hey, it's always great for people to join in.
I think a lot of people fail to realize that treating diabetes "adequately" means more than taking a pill. I'm glad to hear that you're coming to realize that and taking steps to care for yourself better. Pat yourself on the back. It's got to be tough when you travel so much, but learn to take the extra time to exercise and eat appropriately. You're worth it.
Michelle, T2 diet and exercise
Robert Miles - 31 Mar 2006 00:58 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Mike Welcome to the group no one wants to join.
Loretta Eisenberg - 31 Mar 2006 02:17 GMT Mike, welcome to our group. I am glad to hear that you have had some good information. Please stay out in the open and participate in our discussions. at least the good ones :-) Loretta
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Alan S - 31 Mar 2006 04:02 GMT >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Mike Hi Mike.
Welcome. Read again the post by Jennifer that you responded to. Then read how she achieved that: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg
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pacblue - 31 Mar 2006 05:41 GMT Thanks Alan, very helpful. Thanks to all for the welcome.
Mike
> >Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > d&e, metformin 2x500mg Colleen - 31 Mar 2006 01:55 GMT Diagnosed with T2 Oct. '02 with A1c 10.8. Withing three months I had it down to 5.4 and haven't gotten over 6 yet. I take metformin and Prandin prn. Eat moderate carb, moderate exercise. I have and show no signs of developing any complications at this point. I tolerate carbs far better than I first did and I pretty much know how much I can or cannot eat of this or that food.
So far so good. c
> We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes. > Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks, > Michelle Loretta Eisenberg - 31 Mar 2006 02:14 GMT Michelle, I was diagnosed in 1999. I would say I got control in about March of 2001. I have had no complications caused by my diabetes. It has been five years. I dont have any and I dont expect to get any, if I have anything to do with it. My eyes are good, my kidneys are good, my feet are good and I have never felt better in my life.
I dont know what the future will bring, but as of today, there has been no progression. I hope it stays that way, poo poo
Loretta poo poo wards off the evil spirits :-)
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Chris Hogg - 02 Apr 2006 08:15 GMT <snip>
>poo poo wards off the evil spirits :-) I bet it does, and any other sort as well I expect! Poo poo is what babies do in their nappies (diapers). LOL
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Michelle - 02 Apr 2006 19:42 GMT >>poo poo wards off the evil spirits :-)
>I bet it does, and any other sort as well I expect! Poo poo is what >babies do in their nappies (diapers). LOL Aha! So that's how it works. ;-) Michelle
pinecone - 31 Mar 2006 04:14 GMT Michelle,
I've been T2 since April 2004. My numbers dropped and I stabilized well within the normal range almost immediately after I got on meds and changed my eating and exercise habits. I freaked at first, and came here and became obsessed with learning about the disease and others' experience for quite a while as I worked with my doctor to change my behavior.
I was able to come off pills, but only after I learned to exercise *every* day (in the evening after dinner--it always lowers my BG by a minimum of 30 points) and rigorously watch what I eat and mix foods to slow my carb metabolism. My numbers went a bit higher but remained in the "safe" range without pills after lifestyle changes.
I test, and when I need meds again, I'm ready to ramp up. I've had so many family deaths and emergencies (including being injured in a car accident myself last fall) that I've been too distracted to obsess over it.
pc
Julie Bove - 31 Mar 2006 08:25 GMT > We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes. > Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as > we learned what to do to better take care of ourselves. My question > is, for those of you who have done everything you can to put the brakes > on progression, have you found that the condition has stabilized? If > so, for how long? Mine has progressed and continues to progress despite my best efforts.
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Temujin - 31 Mar 2006 17:44 GMT I thought I had mine stabilized, but just found out at a recent Ophthamologist visit that I have a ruptured blood vessel in one eye - diabetic neuropathy. Mine has been difficult from the start. Dx in my early forties, no normal precursors, never overweight, always exercised regularly, always watched what I ate. The only thing I did wrong was to have bad genes - Dad (T2) died at 68 and his Dad died at 51 (back when there was no treatment except, oddly, a low carb diet - funny how things come full circle). Mine progressed through glyburide (I started right out on meds because I was already dieting and exercising), metformin, avandia, and finally, insulin. My weight went up 20 lbs on the insulin, the first time it had ever been up. Now in my late 50's, I'm on Lantus (only 10 units, for fbg), Prandin at meals, and most recently, Byetta, which has made a huge difference, and is helping with the extra pounds. A1c is finally under 6, fbg usually under 100, and post meal 140 to 160. So now I have neuropathy! I guess it was caused by years of not-quite-good-enough control. We'll see how the next opth visit goes in six months. He said it may heal up if my control is good. At least there are no other complications. Vision and feet are still good. Well, Michelle, I haven't been very encouraging, but your good initial control will probably give you long-term results more like some of the others who have posted here. And I feel better just getting all that off my chest. I have been a semi-lurker for several months, but never told my story before.
Alan S - 31 Mar 2006 23:42 GMT >I thought I had mine stabilized, but just found out at a recent >Ophthamologist visit that I have a ruptured blood vessel in one eye - [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >getting all that off my chest. I have been a semi-lurker for several >months, but never told my story before. Hi Temujin
A salutary story. I hope things do improve for you. I was told by many here when I arrived, particularly OldAl, that type 2 is a progressive disease. I hoped that they were wrong.
I also became aware that, like many, I had had it for several years before officially being diagnosed. I'll never know how much damage I did then, damage that will not surface for some time.
So I was not surprised, just disappointed when I had to start on metformin after succeeding for more than three years without it. Similarly, I won't be surprised if, as time passes, complications appear despite my best efforts.
But I'll still make those efforts; my aim is for the complications to appear around the time I hit my century. And I am quite convinced that those efforts are delaying their onset. At least, that's my rationale and I'm sticking to it; I've seen the results of those who just took their pills or insulin and did little more than "watch their sugars".
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg
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sharppointy1 - 31 Mar 2006 17:18 GMT Hi Michelle - interesting question. I was diagnosed nearly 7 years ago. Initially I was very gung ho & got my weight & A1c down. Over time I slacked off, and did not take diabetes seriously until last fall, when my A1c went up to 7.3. Since then I am doing better, but I have learned here that I am by no means doing everything I can to treat my diabetes. I am, however, striving to improve my control. I have been very blessed to have normal eye exams, no neuropathy, normal kidney functions, and no evidence of microvascular disease YET. In my 12 step program, we talk about the "yets", the things that could still happen if we slack off our vigilance. I hope to maintain my current vigilance for a long time to come. Barbara
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