Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion Groups
General
GeneralCardiologyVisionDentistryPharmacyLaboratoryNutritionAlternative
Diseases and Disorders
AIDSAlzheimer'sArthritisAsthmaCancerBreast CancerDiabetesEpilepsyGlaucomaHepatitisHerpesLupusProstate BPHProstate CancerProstatitisSinusitisTinnitus

Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / April 2006

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

T2s:  Progression halted?

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
Michelle - 30 Mar 2006 21:15 GMT
We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes.
Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as
we learned what to do to better take care of ourselves.  My question
is, for those of you who have done everything you can to put the brakes
on progression, have you found that the condition has stabilized?  If
so, for how long?

Thanks,
Michelle
Roger Zoul - 30 Mar 2006 21:55 GMT
:: We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of
:: diabetes. Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial
:: diagnosis as we learned what to do to better take care of ourselves.
:: My question is, for those of you who have done everything you can to
:: put the brakes on progression, have you found that the condition has
:: stabilized?  If so, for how long?

Yes.  Well, I was dx'ed 24 years ago and still have no complications. :)
Jennifer - 30 Mar 2006 21:55 GMT
I was diagnosed in June of 1999 with an A1c of 15.3

I brought it down to the normal range (under 6) by Oct 1999, using
1500mg of Metformin and a lowered carb approach.

I get tested every 3 months, and I have been consistantly between the
5.3 and 5.8, my highest (I had a big infection that quarter)...  Earlier
in my diagnosis (2000) I was in the high 4's but decided to add back
some high quality, fiber filled carbs which raised me a bit.

So for almost 7 years I've been able to "maintain"... how long will that
last?  I have no idea.

One day at a time.

Jennifer

> We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes.
> Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks,
> Michelle
% - 30 Mar 2006 22:34 GMT
i've been at it 2 years , and been good in that short time

> We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes.
> Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks,
> Michelle
James E. - 30 Mar 2006 23:49 GMT
It's nice to hear some good stories about diabetes.

Age 77. I have been a Type 2 for 25 years. No symptoms as yet. Using 2g
Metformin.

Keeping my fingers crossed. Hopefully, something else will get me before my
diabetes does me in.

Signature

James

> We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes.
> Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks,
> Michelle
Ozgirl - 31 Mar 2006 00:09 GMT
> We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes.
> Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as
> we learned what to do to better take care of ourselves.  My question
> is, for those of you who have done everything you can to put the brakes
> on progression, have you found that the condition has stabilized?  If
> so, for how long?

Yes, 6 years.
Michelle - 31 Mar 2006 00:27 GMT
Thank you for your replies.  It's very inspiring.  :-)

I  realized I had sugar problems last November and immediately got on
the "eating to your meter" program.  Now I never have any 1 hr readings
over 140 or 2 hour readings over 120.  Usually, even my 1 hour readings
are under 120.  I've reached a place where I'm not struggling so much,
yet still feel the initial compulsion to do more--the same feeling of
alarm that I had upon realizing the problem.  I need to understand that
while constant vigilance is necessary, maybe I've reached the place I
was searching for--a program that works for me.  It seems a little
scary not to have to concentrate on it 24/7.

This is a little convoluted, but by seeing that you all have maintained
your programs for a long period of time--in some cases, an incredibly
long period of time--makes me see that I can "trust" in my program.  I
hope this makes sense.  

Thanks again,
Michelle
pinecone - 31 Mar 2006 03:51 GMT
Michelle,

I freaked at first (April 2005), and came here and became obsessed with
learning about it for quite a while as I worked with my doctor to get
my numbers down.  After I went through several close family members'
deaths and some other serious family situations that forced my
attention elsewhere this past year, I finally put it into perspective.

I was able to come off pills, but only after I learned to exercise
*every* day (in the evening after dinner--it always lowers my BG by a
minimum of 30 points) and rigorously watch what I eat and mix foods to
slow my metabolism.  I was testing a lot for about a year and a half
(about 4 to 8 times daily), and now I rarely test more than 2X a day
and, if I miss a day, I don't obsess.

pc
W. Baker - 31 Mar 2006 19:03 GMT
: Thank you for your replies.  It's very inspiring.  :-)

: I  realized I had sugar problems last November and immediately got on
: the "eating to your meter" program.  Now I never have any 1 hr readings
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
: was searching for--a program that works for me.  It seems a little
: scary not to have to concentrate on it 24/7.

: This is a little convoluted, but by seeing that you all have maintained
: your programs for a long period of time--in some cases, an incredibly
: long period of time--makes me see that I can "trust" in my program.  I
: hope this makes sense.  

: Thanks again,
: Michelle

I fully understand.  It is like anything like weight control, etc.  It is
hard to adjust to achievign the goal and not still striving for further
improvement, consantly seekign lower and lower Aics and pps.  You haave
reached a balance and shudl enjoy it without all the need to constantly
tes 8 times a day, but ust be careful to periodically take a frequent test
day or meal or two and keep reading here, to help keep ou on teh straight
and narow.  I find this group wonderful for that prupose.

Wendy
Michelle - 31 Mar 2006 21:04 GMT
Once again, thanks for all the wonderful replies.  I really appreciate
it.  I am relieved to hear that "most" everyone does not progress IF BS
is properly managed.  Julie, Temujin, thanks for sharing your stories.
It sounds like you've got a lot more to contend with with your
conditions.  I'm sorry.  Temujin, I understand your feeling concerning
risk factors, except for genes.  I, too, have never been overweight and
while my diet is lower carb now, I was never a "junkfood junkie" so to
speak.  I've been walking daily for the past 15-20 years.  Granted,
it's not Robert Z's 60+ miles per week on the bike, but not exactly
sedentary either.  However, I do have the genes in my grandparents and
great aunts.  (For some reason it's not affecting the generation right
before me.)

>I fully understand.  It is like anything like weight control, etc.  It is
>hard to adjust to achievign the goal and not still striving for further
>improvement, consantly seekign lower and lower Aics and pps.

And Wendy, thanks.  You've hit the nail right on the head.  :-)
Barbara--keep up the good work!
And as Loretta says, "poo poo".  (Hey, if saying "poo poo" wards of
evil spirits, than I'm all for it.  ;-)

Michelle
Nicky - 01 Apr 2006 09:41 GMT
> And as Loretta says, "poo poo".  (Hey, if saying "poo poo" wards of
> evil spirits, than I'm all for it.  ;-)

Yeah, poo poo : )

Nicky.

Signature

A1c 10.5/5.4/<6  T2 DX 05/2004
1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
95/74/72Kg

W. Baker - 02 Apr 2006 00:14 GMT
: Once again, thanks for all the wonderful replies.  I really appreciate
: it.  I am relieved to hear that "most" everyone does not progress IF BS
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
: great aunts.  (For some reason it's not affecting the generation right
: before me.)

: >I fully understand.  It is like anything like weight control, etc.  It is
: >hard to adjust to achievign the goal and not still striving for further
: >improvement, consantly seekign lower and lower Aics and pps.

: And Wendy, thanks.  You've hit the nail right on the head.  :-)
: Barbara--keep up the good work!
: And as Loretta says, "poo poo".  (Hey, if saying "poo poo" wards of
: evil spirits, than I'm all for it.  ;-)

: Michelle
To ward off those evil spirits it should be poo,poo,poo:-)  At least that
is what my Grandma said!

Wendy
Loretta Eisenberg - 02 Apr 2006 00:19 GMT
Wendy, in my part of town, it is just two poos. lol

Loretta

--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.
Ozgirl - 02 Apr 2006 01:28 GMT
> Wendy, in my part of town, it is just two poos. lol

3 poos sounds like exasperation.
Michelle - 02 Apr 2006 01:52 GMT
I'll use both the 2 & 3 poos, just to make sure my bases are covered.
:-)

Michelle
W. Baker - 02 Apr 2006 04:11 GMT
: I'll use both the 2 & 3 poos, just to make sure my bases are covered.
: :-)

: Michelle

If you were a guy, I bet you would wear a belt and suspenders too:-)  As
for Loretta, I will put my grandma up against her Grandma any day:-)  She
was a great gal!

Wendy
pacblue - 31 Mar 2006 00:20 GMT
Hi,

I'm new here. I have been battling to stabilize my BG for the past 12
months, since being diagnosed T2. I work long hours and travel a fair
bit which makes it difficult, but also I don't think I took the
diagnosis seriously enough - oh yeah, I'll just take a pill - that'll
fix everything.
Now I realise that there are serious ramifications, if you're BG is all
over the place for too long. I am now seriously trying to bring it
under control. I'm slowly getting there. Sorry I guess I'm not really
answering your question. I still have so much to learn about diabetes
and diet, exercise, medication etc. Feeling a bit lost and confused at
times, but I'll get there. This is a great forum, learnt a lot already
just reading a few posts.

Mike
Michelle - 31 Mar 2006 00:32 GMT
Hi Mike,

Hey, it's always great for people to join in.

I think a lot of people fail to realize that treating diabetes
"adequately" means more than taking a pill.  I'm glad to hear that
you're coming to realize that and taking steps to care for yourself
better.  Pat yourself on the back.  It's got to be tough when you
travel so much, but learn to take the extra time to exercise and eat
appropriately.  You're worth it.

Michelle, T2
diet and exercise
Robert Miles - 31 Mar 2006 00:58 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Mike

Welcome to the group no one wants to join.
Loretta Eisenberg - 31 Mar 2006 02:17 GMT
Mike, welcome to our group.  I am glad to hear that you have had some
good information.  Please stay out in the open and participate in our
discussions.  
at least the good ones :-)
Loretta

--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.
Alan S - 31 Mar 2006 04:02 GMT
>Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Mike

Hi Mike.

Welcome. Read again the post by Jennifer that you responded
to. Then read how she achieved that:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 2x500mg
Signature

Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

pacblue - 31 Mar 2006 05:41 GMT
Thanks Alan, very helpful. Thanks to all for the welcome.

Mike

> >Hi,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 2x500mg
Colleen - 31 Mar 2006 01:55 GMT
Diagnosed with T2 Oct. '02 with A1c 10.8.  Withing three months I had it
down to 5.4 and haven't gotten over 6 yet.
I take metformin and Prandin prn.  Eat moderate carb, moderate exercise.
I have and show no signs of developing any complications at this point.  I
tolerate carbs far better than I first did and I pretty much know how much I
can or cannot eat of this or that food.

So far so good.
c

> We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes.
> Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks,
> Michelle
Loretta Eisenberg - 31 Mar 2006 02:14 GMT
Michelle, I was diagnosed in 1999.  I would say I got control in about
March of 2001.  I have had no complications caused by my diabetes.  It
has been five years.  I dont have any and I dont expect to get any, if I
have anything to do with it.  My eyes are good, my kidneys are good, my
feet are good and I have never felt better in my life.

I dont know what the future will bring, but as of today, there has been
no progression.  I hope it stays that way, poo poo

Loretta
poo poo wards off the evil spirits :-)

--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.
Chris Hogg - 02 Apr 2006 08:15 GMT
<snip>

>poo poo wards off the evil spirits :-)

I bet it does, and any other sort as well I expect! Poo poo is what
babies do in their nappies (diapers). LOL

Signature

Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

Michelle - 02 Apr 2006 19:42 GMT
>>poo poo wards off the evil spirits :-)

>I bet it does, and any other sort as well I expect! Poo poo is what
>babies do in their nappies (diapers). LOL

Aha!  So that's how it works.  ;-)
Michelle
pinecone - 31 Mar 2006 04:14 GMT
Michelle,

I've been T2 since April 2004.  My numbers dropped and I stabilized
well within the normal range almost immediately after I got on meds and
changed my eating and exercise habits.  I freaked at first, and came
here and became obsessed with learning about the disease and others'
experience for quite a while as I worked with my doctor to change my
behavior.

I was able to come off pills, but only after I learned to exercise
*every* day (in the evening after dinner--it always lowers my BG by a
minimum of 30 points) and rigorously watch what I eat and mix foods to
slow my carb metabolism.  My numbers went a bit higher but remained in
the "safe" range without pills after lifestyle changes.

I test, and when I need meds again, I'm ready to ramp up.  I've had so
many family deaths and emergencies (including being injured in a car
accident myself last fall) that I've been too distracted to obsess over
it.

pc
Julie Bove - 31 Mar 2006 08:25 GMT
> We all strive to prevent or at least slow the progression of diabetes.
> Many of us saw significant improvement after the initial diagnosis as
> we learned what to do to better take care of ourselves.  My question
> is, for those of you who have done everything you can to put the brakes
> on progression, have you found that the condition has stabilized?  If
> so, for how long?

Mine has progressed and continues to progress despite my best efforts.

Signature

See my webpage:
http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm

Temujin - 31 Mar 2006 17:44 GMT
I thought I had mine stabilized, but just found out at a recent
Ophthamologist visit that I have a ruptured blood vessel in one eye -
diabetic neuropathy.  Mine has been difficult from the start.  Dx in my
early forties, no normal precursors, never overweight, always exercised
regularly, always watched what I ate.  The only thing I did wrong was
to have bad genes - Dad (T2) died at 68 and his Dad died at 51 (back
when there was no treatment except, oddly, a low carb diet - funny how
things come full circle).  Mine progressed through glyburide (I started
right out on meds because I was already dieting and exercising),
metformin, avandia, and finally, insulin.  My weight went up 20 lbs on
the insulin, the first time it had ever been up.  Now in my late 50's,
I'm on Lantus (only 10 units, for fbg), Prandin at meals, and most
recently, Byetta, which has made a huge difference, and is helping with
the extra pounds.  A1c is finally under 6, fbg usually under 100, and
post meal 140 to 160.  So now I have neuropathy!  I guess it was caused
by years of not-quite-good-enough control.  We'll see how the next opth
visit goes in six months.  He said it may heal up if my control is
good.  At least there are no other complications.  Vision and feet are
still good.  Well, Michelle, I haven't been very encouraging, but your
good initial control will probably give you long-term results more like
some of the others who have posted here.  And I feel better just
getting all that off my chest.  I have been a semi-lurker for several
months, but never told my story before.
Alan S - 31 Mar 2006 23:42 GMT
>I thought I had mine stabilized, but just found out at a recent
>Ophthamologist visit that I have a ruptured blood vessel in one eye -
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>getting all that off my chest.  I have been a semi-lurker for several
>months, but never told my story before.

Hi Temujin

A salutary story. I hope things do improve for you. I was
told by many here when I arrived, particularly OldAl, that
type 2 is a progressive disease. I hoped that they were
wrong.

I also became aware that, like many, I had had it for
several years before officially being diagnosed. I'll never
know how much damage I did then, damage that will not
surface for some time.

So I was not surprised, just disappointed when I had to
start on metformin after succeeding for more than three
years without it. Similarly, I won't be surprised if, as
time passes, complications appear despite my best efforts.

But I'll still make those efforts; my aim is for the
complications to appear around the time I hit my century.
And I am quite convinced that those efforts are delaying
their onset. At least, that's my rationale and I'm sticking
to it; I've seen the results of those who just took their
pills or insulin and did little more than "watch their
sugars".

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 2x500mg
Signature

Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

sharppointy1 - 31 Mar 2006 17:18 GMT
Hi Michelle - interesting question.  I was diagnosed nearly 7 years
ago.  Initially I was very gung ho & got my weight & A1c down.  Over
time I slacked off, and did not take diabetes seriously until last
fall, when my A1c went up to 7.3.
Since then I am doing better, but I have learned here that I am by no
means doing everything I can to treat my diabetes.  I am, however,
striving to improve my control.  I have been very blessed to have
normal eye exams, no neuropathy, normal kidney functions, and no
evidence of microvascular disease YET.  In my 12 step program, we talk
about the "yets", the things that could still happen if we slack off
our vigilance.  I hope to maintain my current vigilance for a long time
to come.
Barbara
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.