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louisejoi - 29 Mar 2006 14:28 GMT
Well, I researched metformin and decided to give it a try.  My new doc
recommended it after my A1c 5 months ago was an atypically high for me 6.1
or 6.3, can't remember exactly.  At that time I totally resisted going on
meds.

My last A1c that he did was 5.7, which was more typical for me.  I get that
5.7 with a lot of effort and attention to exercise and diet.

I have several reasons for starting the metformin despite an essentially
normal A1c.  I want to improve my fasting A1c which averaged 112.  When I
get sick or stressed, my BG spikes and there's nothing I can do about it.
I'm hoping metformin will smooth those spikes out.  I've also read that they
are now prescribing metformin for prediabetics and since I actually have
diabetes, it seems appropriate for me.

I want to have my sight and limbs when I'm in my 90's and if 5.7 is good,
5.1 is probably better.  I see conflicting literature on this, but my sense
is this is true.  I'm sure I can't lower it any more with exercise and
diet...I'm maxed out.

I'm now taking 500mg with dinner and will probably increase to 1000mg twice
a day if I can tolerate it.

I started it 2 days ago and so far so good with the dreaded side effects.  I
know it takes a while to kick in, but today my FGB was 100.

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Best wishes,
Louise

Type 2 since 2000
Controlling by exercise and diet
and now metformin!

Jeanie - 29 Mar 2006 16:28 GMT
> Well, I researched metformin and decided to give it a try.  My new doc
> recommended it after my A1c 5 months ago was an atypically high for me 6.1
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> I started it 2 days ago and so far so good with the dreaded side effects.  I
> know it takes a while to kick in, but today my FGB was 100.

I had heard there were side effects to Metformin, too, but I never
experienced any.  Good luck with it.  I've been taking it for a month
now, 500mg daily for the first week, boosted to 1000mg a day in the
second week.  My FBG is still usually in the 110-118 range, no matter
what I do.  Through the day, the numbers are fine, but I don't know how
to get that morning number down.

Jeanie
bill.brown@stjude.org - 29 Mar 2006 20:29 GMT
Have you tried testing 'early' in the morning?  I tested  a little
extra the week before my last doctor appointment. Day of the
appointment I was up about 4 am for a few minute...tested at about 93.
Got up 2 hours later at the normal time and tested at over 140.
(Started glyb/metformin 5/500 twice a day 3 months ago, along with
Actos. Waiting on my latest A1C from the lab to confirm progress..
Other than the higher morning numbers which I think is the dawn effect
my numbers are MUCH better.)

Bill
Saxology - 29 Mar 2006 17:19 GMT
<snip>

> I'm now taking 500mg with dinner and will probably increase to 1000mg
> twice
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I
> know it takes a while to kick in, but today my FGB was 100.

I started with 500mg 2 times per day, with meals.  No side effects.  I upped
it to 3 tims per day, no problems.  I know a guy doing 5-7 per day and it is
tolerated.  I get the impression that it is well tolerated in general.  I
have taken it on an empty stomach without a hassle.  They say it makes
weight loss harder but it has always been hard for me.  I would just use the
med and see.  Hopefully you get the right results!
-Sax
Jenny - 29 Mar 2006 19:08 GMT
Saxology wrote: They say it makes
> weight loss harder but it has always been hard for me.  I would just use the
> med and see.  Hopefully you get the right results!

Metformin makes weight loss EASIER. It is the other oral drugs that make
it harder.

I never could get my fasting blood sugar to drop with metformin though
it chops about 20 mg/dl off my post-prandial numbers. At one point my
doctor prescribed an overdose (2250 mg of the ER where the top dose is
supposed to be 2000 mg.) It only made me feel poisoned but the fasting
blood sugar wouldn't budge.

--Jenny

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes  Diabetes Info

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
Sugar Under Control
louisejoi - 29 Mar 2006 19:37 GMT
> Saxology wrote: They say it makes
> > weight loss harder but it has always been hard for me.  I would just use the
> > med and see.  Hopefully you get the right results!
>
> Metformin makes weight loss EASIER. It is the other oral drugs that make
> it harder.

That's what I've heard.  In fact I forgot to mention that's another reason
why I started the metformin.  I've had this pesky "last 7 pounds" I've been
unable to shed.  If I never lose it it's no big deal, but it would be nice.

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Louise

Type 2 since 2000
Controlling by exercise and diet
and now metformin!

Frank Roy - 30 Mar 2006 18:34 GMT
> "Jenny" <lottadata@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>Metformin makes weight loss EASIER. It is the other oral drugs that make
>>it harder.
>
> That's what I've heard.  In fact I forgot to mention that's another reason
> why I started the metformin.  I've had this pesky "last 7 pounds" I've been
> unable to shed.  If I never lose it it's no big deal, but it would be nice.

I lost 35 lbs. while on 500 mg/d of metformin (regular).  I also upped
my exercise and did some calorie restriction. After 3 years, the dose
was upped to 2x500.  I took it at breakfast and dinner.  My new doctor
switched me to ER and immediately I noticed less BG control in the
evening. I wasn't testing earlier postprandials. I didn't want to waste
the ER so I took it in the morning. My A1c went up 0.5 % during that 6
months.  My breakfast and lunch have been fairly standard for several
years and I did not anticipate higher postprandials.  So I decided to do
some post breakfast and lunch tests. This may very well be the reason my
A1c went up while my FBG averaged 88 mg/dl and my evening tests were
typically closer to 110 mg/dl.  My previous doctor said he did not
prescribe ER to his diabetic patients because it adversely effected
their lipids.  While not bad, mine were worst on 3/2/06 then they had
been for several years.

Exercise does help the efficiency of metformin.  I know you do the
treadmill and pump iron.

Frank
Larry - 31 Mar 2006 16:27 GMT
Frank: I was taking ER but noticed many times "dry powder" on the
inside of "passed" pills when cut open with a razor blade. This tells
me that the ER may "pass through" without complete absorption.

Larry

> > "Jenny" <lottadata@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> Frank
W. Baker - 31 Mar 2006 18:05 GMT
: Frank: I was taking ER but noticed many times "dry powder" on the
: inside of "passed" pills when cut open with a razor blade. This tells
: me that the ER may "pass through" without complete absorption.

: Larry

Frankly, I don't care!  I take 1000mgs 2x a day of teh extended release
adn I don't have to live on immodium type stuff all the time.  My bgs are
very good, (73 this am, last night 100 at 2 hours pp) and my A1c is ok at
5.8, even though I am trying to get it back to 5.2.  It learly, is working
and saving me an enormous amount of stomach distress and embarassment.

Wendy
Jefferson - 30 Mar 2006 18:43 GMT
>>Metformin makes weight loss EASIER. It is the other oral drugs that make
>>it harder.
>
> That's what I've heard.  In fact I forgot to mention that's another reason
> why I started the metformin.  I've had this pesky "last 7 pounds" I've been
> unable to shed.  If I never lose it it's no big deal, but it would be nice.

I lost 35 lbs. while on 500 mg/d of metformin (regular).  I also upped
my exercise, reduced carbs, and did some calorie restriction. After 3
years, the dose was upped to 2x500.  I took it at breakfast and dinner.
 My new doctor switched me to ER and immediately I noticed less BG
control in the evening.  I didn't want to waste the ER so I took it in
the morning. I wasn't testing earlier postprandials. My A1c went up 0.5%
during that 6 months.  My breakfast and lunch have been fairly standard
for several years and I did not anticipate higher postprandials.  So I
decided to do some post breakfast and lunch tests. This may very well be
the reason my A1c went up while my FBG averaged 88 mg/dl and my evening
tests were typically closer to 110 mg/dl.  My previous doctor said he
did not prescribe ER to his diabetic patients because it adversely
effected their lipids.  While not bad, mine were worst on 3/2/06 then
they had been for several years.

Exercise does help the efficiency of metformin.  I know you do the
treadmill and pump iron.

Frank
bittersweet - 30 Mar 2006 06:23 GMT
>I never could get my fasting blood sugar to drop with metformin though
>it chops about 20 mg/dl off my post-prandial numbers. At one point my
>doctor prescribed an overdose (2250 mg of the ER where the top dose is
>supposed to be 2000 mg.) It only made me feel poisoned but the fasting
>blood sugar wouldn't budge.

I'm lucky; Metformin does help my FBG.

With the combination of diet change, exercise, weight loss, and 500 mg
Metformin twice a day, I eventually got my FBG down to the
mid-seventies (though it took a long time to get there).  My doctor
then decided to try cutting the Metformin back to just once a day, and
after a month my FBG crept up to about 90-95.  She was fine with that,
but I told her I didn't want it to be anything over 85 if I could help
it, so she agreed to put me back on a twice-a-day dose.  And my FBG
returned to ~75, and has stayed there ever since then.

--bittersweet
Dennis R - 30 Mar 2006 04:19 GMT
> <snip>
>> I'm now taking 500mg with dinner and will probably increase to 1000mg
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> med and see.  Hopefully you get the right results!
> -Sax

If you are taking the 500 mg regular tabs (not the extended release),
you can split them. My endo had me ramp up the dosage from 500 mg per
day by 250 mg per day for 5 day, then add another 250 mg for 5days,
etc., until I hit 2,500 per day. I noticed hardly any of the side
effects plaguing others. It took longer, but metformin takes time to
affect BG's anyways.

Dennis (Type 2)
Nicky - 29 Mar 2006 19:38 GMT
> I started it 2 days ago and so far so good with the dreaded side effects.
> I
> know it takes a while to kick in, but today my FGB was 100.

Cool! Sounds like you're over the hump.

Nicky.

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A1c 10.5/5.4/<6  T2 DX 05/2004
1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
95/74/72Kg

 
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