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RB - 29 Mar 2006 04:43 GMT
New territory explored today, Nerve Conduction Velocity study.
Haven't seen this discussed here before but am sure many others have
had the pleasure.  

Not a big deal(NOW ) but I had a pretty bad shock on an avionics test
bench back in the 70's and took a minor lightening hit in the 80's so
anything electrical gets my apprehension going and I just hate getting
zapped.  

The test was completed, results unknown but the Doctor left a message
on my answering machine this afternoon. Usually his Nurse leaves the
messages but it was the Doctor himself today.  Wonder if that means
something?   Will give him a call in the morning if the earthquake
allows.

For you guys who have had this test would be interested if it revealed
anything.

RB
bill.brown@stjude.org - 29 Mar 2006 20:50 GMT
I had one of these a month before I was diagnosed with type II. I had
gone to a neurosurgoen to check on pain an numbness down my arms. After
the symptons progressed from right arm to both arms, I realized that at
least some of the cause was in my neck, not just in the right shoulder.
Short version of long story...neuro found some buldging disks in my
neck and discussed what he might do to correct that. He also said he
wanted me to schedule an appointment with a neurologist in his
practice. I delayed that a little and by the time I got around to
making that appointment I had changed insurance plans and had to get a
referral. Chose a GP and went for first visit and to get referral the
day before neruo appointment. GP ordered some basic tests including a
urine sample. Got up next morning and headed to neruo
appointment...pager went off. Called the number after reaching the
neuro office and checking in. It was the GP nurse...you need to come
see up right now...BG reading of over 400.  Deferred until after the
neuro appointment.

Got to see the neuro...His first question was "Do you know why Dr. Boyd
wanted you to see me?"  Nope, sure don't. "Well your nerve conductivity
test showed some abnormal responses."  Hum, would being diabetic with
high BG cause that?  "Yes, that definitely could cause that, along with
a number of other things."  He took some tests and they all came back
okay.

Went to the GP and started my life as a diabetic. Mostly under control
from 1998 - about 2003 with diet and exercise. Numbers started slipping
after that. Now on glyb/metiformn conbination as well as actos and
seeing much better control.

About 2001-2002 I applied for a study that was being done with a
medicine for neurophy control. They tested both legs and 1 was
borderline response to qualify for the test...the other was in the
normal range and so I was borderline. Within a week the announcement
was made that the test was being suspended...so I never got to progess.
I don't think I would have gone on anyway since a portion of
participants would have a portion of nerve removed for study. In the
test the shock showed the nerve covered the complete outside of the
foot and I would not have wanted to lose that much nerve response.
Billie - 30 Mar 2006 00:48 GMT
Had it bunches of times, the latest being Monday a week ago.  This time it was done to determine
the extent of nerve damage in my arms, hands, legs, and feet.  A neurologist did this test
(always a tech or NP previously), so he was able to proceed in whatever direction he deemed
necessary as he got the results along the way.  He added emg testing, needle into the muscle.  I
could not even feel him inserting the needle, and I also have had this test many times, and have
always felt the needle stick.  My tests revealed *considerable* nerve damage, and to the extent
that my endo prescribed a motorized scooter/wheelchair even though he said he does not normally
do that, but that I was in very much need of one.   This has been a progressive state which
began before I was officially diagnosed with diabetes, though I've had it since '71.

Be sure and report back after you talk to him.  I'm very interested in what you find out.

Billie in AR
Type 2, MM 715 with Humalog
Symlin 20u

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RB - 30 Mar 2006 04:42 GMT
>Had it bunches of times, the latest being Monday a week ago.  This time it was done to determine
>the extent of nerve damage in my arms, hands, legs, and feet.  A neurologist did this test
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>Type 2, MM 715 with Humalog
>Symlin 20u

Doctor was not available today so still no news.  I had an endo
appointment two weeks ago now, just the standard quarterly follow-up,
blood test results and so forth.  Talked about tingling feet, and I
told the Doc that I had a back injury from weight lifting during my
school years.  So the first thing he had me do was xrays of the lower
back.  They did not reveal anything.  He just starting doing the NCV
test in his office a month or so ago.  After the negative xray he
suggested this test.  He does not think (at this point) that I should
have neuropathy  since my A1c is and has been around 6.1 - 6.3 for
some time and I have never been higher than that to my knowledge.
I'm one of the lucky ones that was diagnosed with IGT before
progression to diabetes.

So hopefully I will get the results tomorrow.

One question, I found the impulses in the foot/ankle area to be quiet
unpleasant.  Just me or a normal situation?

Thanks for the replies and info.

RB
Billie - 30 Mar 2006 10:53 GMT
Well, the fact that it hurt helps your case considerably, though I did have *positive* tests
several years ago, and it did hurt then.  I felt very little during my last one.  Years before,
when it made the toes move, it hurt a lot.  Not last week, nor the time before which was about
six months ago; same for my hands and arms.  Hopefully, this means a good report for you, and
I'll be looking to hear your results.  My endo has a neurologist come to his clinic once a week,
and I sure did like that better than having to go to another doctor just to get that one test
done.  Plus, I now have a good neurologist who I know I can go to should the need arise.  He,
also, was able to answer my questions as he did the testing, and that, too, was very nice.  Just
about everything I asked him, he would say, "It's the neuropathy," including the reason for my
walking impairment.  It *is* good to get definite answers, though, when you have all these
problems; just knowing, and putting a name to things helps one deal with them better.

Good luck; I'm pulling for you,
Billie
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RB - 31 Mar 2006 03:27 GMT
Results are in..  Pinched nerve at L5.  I fail to understand how this
test can pinpoint the problem.  Technology is a wonderful thing.
Will be going to physical theraphy to see if I can relieve the pain
and improve the situation.  Thanks for the responses and information.

RB

>Well, the fact that it hurt helps your case considerably, though I did have *positive* tests
>several years ago, and it did hurt then.  I felt very little during my last one.  Years before,
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>Good luck; I'm pulling for you,
>Billie
Robert Miles - 31 Mar 2006 21:34 GMT
> Results are in..  Pinched nerve at L5.  I fail to understand how this
> test can pinpoint the problem.  Technology is a wonderful thing.
> Will be going to physical theraphy to see if I can relieve the pain
> and improve the situation.  Thanks for the responses and information.
>
> RB
[snip]
Some nerves go to fixed areas of the body, so if the area of the body
with nerve damage is there, you can tell which nerve caused it.
Billie - 02 Apr 2006 04:27 GMT
Yes, technology *is* a wonderful thing!  L5-S1 is where my chronic back problem of many years is
located.  Nerve blocks have been wonderful for relieving the pain, and my treatment goes back to
the early 90's.  I don't think I ever had pt for this particular problem, though I did have
therapy on my back for a while, late 80's/early 90's, and got some good relief then, too, which
this may have been a precursor to seeing the pain specialist, and the beginning of the blocks.

I will be going to the pain doc for another block as soon as can get an appointment.  There is a
bulging disk at S?......... I forget which one right now, but I don't think the old vertebral
space.
Good luck, and keep us posted.

Billie in AR

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: Results are in..  Pinched nerve at L5.  I fail to understand how this
: test can pinpoint the problem.  Technology is a wonderful thing.
: Will be going to physical theraphy to see if I can relieve the pain
: and improve the situation.  Thanks for the responses and information.
:
: RB
Hi_Therre - 02 Apr 2006 22:23 GMT
>Yes, technology *is* a wonderful thing!  L5-S1 is where my chronic back problem of many years is
>located.  Nerve blocks have been wonderful for relieving the pain, and my treatment goes back to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>space.
>Good luck, and keep us posted.

What is a nerve block?
Billie - 03 Apr 2006 18:32 GMT
: What is a nerve block?

Here is a good site...........

http://www.clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/0300/0325.asp?index=4417
What is a nerve block?
Nerve block is a general term, but it basically means the injection of a local anesthetic or a
neurolytic agent into or near a peripheral nerve, a sympathetic nerve plexus, or a local
pain-sensitive trigger point.

Who can be helped by nerve blocks?
Nerve blocks can help those who suffer from:

 a.. Neck pain
 b.. Low back pain
 c.. Sciatica resulting from herniated discs
 d.. Lumbar canal stenosis
 e.. Complex regional pain syndrome (reflex sympathetic dystrophy)
 f.. Pain arising from peripheral vascular disease
 g.. Shingles pain
 h.. Myofascial pain syndrome
 i.. Cancer pain
Basic considerations for using nerve blocks
The proper use of nerve blocks to treat pain requires a specially trained physician with a
thorough understanding of pain and its syndromes. It is essential that a patient is selected for
nerve block therapy only after an accurate diagnosis of the source of the pain is made. The
examination may include a complete medical history, physical examination, laboratory studies,
and a complete psychiatric and psychosomatic assessment.

How does a nerve block work?
Nerve blocks relieve pain by interrupting pain sensory pathways and preventing them from
reaching the brain. A local anesthetic is used to temporarily block the transmission of pain
along these pathways. Two types of sensory pathways are sympathetic nerve plexus and
somatosensory nerve.

What are the types of nerve blocks?

 a.. Trigger point injection - injection (shot) of small amounts of local anesthetic and
steroid in the area of the muscle where you have pain or tenderness.
 b.. Epidural steroid injection - injection of a small amount of steroid medication near nerves
in your lower back.
 c.. Facet joint injection - injection of a small amount of local anesthetic near facet joints
(located on the side or your spine, away from the spinal cord).
 d.. Stellate ganglion block - injection of local anesthetic around a group of nerves (found in
the neck area).
 e.. Lumbar sympathetic block - an injection of local anesthetic around a group of nerves in
your lower back (lumbar area).
 f.. Intercostal nerve block - an injection of local anesthetic in the area between the ribs.
How long does the pain relief last after a nerve block is given?
Nerve blocks can be performed as a single injection, continuous infusion, or nerve destruction.
Nerve blocks may relieve pain from several hours to several months. In many cases, nerve blocks
are performed in conjunction with a rehabilitation program and can provide the window of
opportunity to proceed with effective rehabilitation.

How effective are nerve blocks?
It is important to remember that no single treatment technique is guaranteed to produce complete
pain relief. Nerve blocks are very effective in providing temporary pain control, but they are
only part of a total pain management program. For patients with chronic pain conditions, a
multifaceted approach (treatment that includes rehabilitation and psychological intervention) is
essential. A top priority of the pain management program is restoring function of the affected
area.

What are the side effects?
Some people have allergic reactions to local anesthetics, but such reactions are rare. People
who have allergic reactions to local anesthetics should not receive injections.

Steroids are frequently used in nerve blocks and can cause fluid retention, increased appetite,
blood pressure and blood sugar fluctuations, and mood swings.

The use of morphine or morphine derivatives can cause constipation, urinary retention, pruritis
(itching), nausea, and vomiting.

The destruction of nervous tissue can cause partial loss of motor or sensory functions.

When should a nerve block not be performed?
A nerve block should not be performed for patients who are on anticoagulant therapy with heparin
or coumadin. These medications can increase the risk of bleeding. In addition, nerve blocks
should not be performed for patients who have an active infection around the area of pain or for
patients who are allergic to local anesthetics or steroids.

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: >Yes, technology *is* a wonderful thing!  L5-S1 is where my chronic back problem of many years is
: >located.  Nerve blocks have been wonderful for relieving the pain, and my treatment goes back to
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: >space.
: >Good luck, and keep us posted.
Hi_Therre - 03 Apr 2006 22:35 GMT
>: What is a nerve block?
>
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>should not be performed for patients who have an active infection around the area of pain or for
>patients who are allergic to local anesthetics or steroids.

I have a pinched nerve at my L5 vertebrae which screws up my knees.
They burn like a bitch making walking quite difficult sometimes.  18
months ago the neurologist said I would need screws some day due to
the calcification.  Would this nerve block help me or would a
electronic nerve stimulator be better?
 
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