Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2006
Byetta - 92 after eating cake?????
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David B. - 28 Mar 2006 16:34 GMT This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub, and a piece of chocolate cake. I felt fairly bad after eating it, but really felt like it so I did. Checked my blood 1/2 hour later and it was 136.
2 hours later and it's 92!!!!! I was feeling the "low" too - for me I'm more confortable at 105-120 but do know that I should be used to around 90 as it's a lot better for me.
Anyway, the byetta took a potentially 250 blood high and turned it into 92.
jeez. .........
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Julie Bove - 28 Mar 2006 17:32 GMT > This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub, > and a piece of chocolate cake. I felt fairly bad after eating it, but [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > jeez. ......... More likely you had a reaction like reactive hypoglycemia from eating too many carbs at once. And refined carbs at that! You probably spiked waaaay high somewhere between the 1/2 hour and 2 hour mark. Who told you to eat like that?
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Billie - 28 Mar 2006 18:05 GMT Keep checking you bg. Watch for the delayed absorption at 3 to 4 hours.
Billie
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: This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub, : and a piece of chocolate cake. I felt fairly bad after eating it, but [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : (no, I may sound like an ad for it, but I'm a musician/customer, nothing : more) Roger Zoul - 28 Mar 2006 18:42 GMT There are lower-carb versions of cake that don't impact BG so hard and also lessen the need for meds.
:: This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a :: turkey sub, and a piece of chocolate cake. I felt fairly bad after [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] :: (no, I may sound like an ad for it, but I'm a musician/customer, :: nothing more) Julie Bove - 29 Mar 2006 00:24 GMT > There are lower-carb versions of cake that don't impact BG so hard and also > lessen the need for meds. Lower carb things lessen the need for meds? How so?
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Roger Zoul - 29 Mar 2006 01:53 GMT ::: There are lower-carb versions of cake that don't impact BG so hard ::: and also lessen the need for meds. :: :: Lower carb things lessen the need for meds? How so? They don't drive the BG up as much, in general.
:: -- :: See my webpage: :: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm Julie Bove - 29 Mar 2006 02:14 GMT > ::: There are lower-carb versions of cake that don't impact BG so hard > ::: and also lessen the need for meds. > :: > :: Lower carb things lessen the need for meds? How so? > > They don't drive the BG up as much, in general. But that doesn't lessen the need for meds!
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Roger Zoul - 29 Mar 2006 02:28 GMT ::: Julie Bove wrote: :::::: There are lower-carb versions of cake that don't impact BG so [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: :: But that doesn't lessen the need for meds! It does for me, and for others. Perhaps not for everyone, however.
:: -- :: See my webpage: :: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm Julie Bove - 29 Mar 2006 05:55 GMT > It does for me, and for others. Perhaps not for everyone, however. There's more to diabetes than just what you eat. If you have insulin resistance, then it's likely you'll need an insulin resistance med.
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Roger Zoul - 29 Mar 2006 12:35 GMT ::: It does for me, and for others. Perhaps not for everyone, however. :: :: There's more to diabetes than just what you eat. If you have insulin :: resistance, then it's likely you'll need an insulin resistance med. Lessen the need for meds could mean using smaller dosage, etc. Also, insulin resistance can be lessened as well. Meds aren't the only solution. IMO, the goal for a T2 should be to eliminate meds, if possible.
Many diabetics can improve their situations by simply not eating things like full-sugar, full-fat, cake. Yeah, that might not be all they need to do, but it helps. There are alternatives to sugary foods.
Nicky - 28 Mar 2006 21:51 GMT > This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub, > and a piece of chocolate cake. I felt fairly bad after eating it, but > really felt like it so I did. Checked my blood 1/2 hour later and it was > 136. Don't know why you think that's the byetta - sounds like a pretty typical reaction to a really stupid meal. Bet you were higher at 15 mins, then you dropped fast.
Nicky.
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Billie - 29 Mar 2006 00:07 GMT Nicky, this is exactly how Byetta works, especially on carbohydrates. You have to eat at least 30 grams after taking the shot. It *loves* carbs, and goes after them with a vengence! That doesn't mean that you "go for broke" with them as David did, but his humbers are so typical of the Byetta. After as much as he ate, I would not be surprised to see a fairly high number at 3 to 4 hours when the meal is *released* into the system. I do not have my PI here in front of me to give more technical descriptions.
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: > This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub, : > and a piece of chocolate cake. I felt fairly bad after eating it, but [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : : Nicky. Billie - 29 Mar 2006 00:40 GMT Nicky, I may not have done a good job of expressing myself in that reply. This is one reason I hold back from posting; "talking" has become very difficult for me with the brain atrophy. I *know* what is in my brain/thoughts, but have a real problem getting them out, and expressing it intelligently. I have a really hard time with coming up with the right words anymore, and that is why I am spending so much time doing crossword puzzles. There is a lot I'd like to share of myself, and my diabetic journey, but am having problems putting it down onto "paper." Speech and English (my major in college) have always been two of my strong suits, along with having been a medical transcriptionist, and it is driving me crazy now to have the knowledge without the strength to express it as before. Hope you understand. :o)
Billie in AR bh-wages at swbell.net
Nicky - 29 Mar 2006 13:29 GMT > Nicky, I may not have done a good job of expressing myself in that reply. No, Billie - you made perfect sense, and I'm grateful to you for explaining how Byetta works! I had it in my head that it only acted on carbs it could see, so to speak - I didn't know there was a minimum carb dose required, and I didn't realise it had the delayed effect afterwards. I'm glad you guys are working this out for me, because I quite fancy Byetta instead of insulin when I progress there!
So David - I apologise - maybe chocolate cake for breakfast wasn't that stupid!
Nicky.
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Billie - 29 Mar 2006 21:43 GMT LOL No, Nicky, it doesn't mean to be lax in choosing food that is good for us. In fact, it has come up in one of the Byetta groups that one still has the responsibility for good dieting and exercise, that it is not a fix-all. Some were complaining that they were not seeing significant changes in bg or in weight, yet they were more or less eating whatever they pleased. Kidney stone pain, and surgical procedures played havoc with my bg the past few months, four or five I guess, but when that slowed down, I lost eleven pounds very quickly. It is hard sometimes being on insulin and sticking to my diet, but I really do work at it. I *do not* let myself go with the idea that I can just bolus for whatever, and go my merry way. What I *do* though, is treat myself when we go to the big city (Memphis) and eat at our fave restaurants. Jim and I usually will split a dessert. Basically, my concern now is weight loss. Between steroids and insulin, it is an uphill battle, but I'm just glad the meds are there to help with all the various illnesses. Could definitely be worse!
Billie
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: > Nicky, I may not have done a good job of expressing myself in that reply. : [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] : : Nicky. sharppointy1 - 28 Mar 2006 21:56 GMT After a meal like that one I would check at 3 and 4 hours, like Billie suggested. I have found that if I eat poorly the Byetta merely postpones the inevitable spike until 3-4 hours out. Good luck! Try thinking of the chocolate cake as a particularly devilish form of poison....
> This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub, > and a piece of chocolate cake. I felt fairly bad after eating it, but [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > (no, I may sound like an ad for it, but I'm a musician/customer, nothing > more) David B. - 31 Mar 2006 04:18 GMT I felt like having it, so I did. Not typical at all and no, the sugar didn't spike at all after it even at several hours after. The byetta wiped out the spike.
> After a meal like that one I would check at 3 and 4 hours, like Billie > suggested. I have found that if I eat poorly the Byetta merely [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> (no, I may sound like an ad for it, but I'm a musician/customer, nothing >> more)
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