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Byetta - 92 after eating cake?????

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David B. - 28 Mar 2006 16:34 GMT
This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub,
and a piece of chocolate cake.  I felt fairly bad after eating it, but
really felt like it so I did. Checked my blood 1/2 hour later and it was
136.

2 hours later and it's 92!!!!!  I was feeling the "low" too - for me I'm
more confortable at 105-120 but do know that I should be used to around 90
as it's a lot better for me.

Anyway, the byetta took a potentially 250 blood high and turned it into 92.

jeez. .........

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Julie Bove - 28 Mar 2006 17:32 GMT
> This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub,
> and a piece of chocolate cake.  I felt fairly bad after eating it, but
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> jeez. .........

More likely you had a reaction like reactive hypoglycemia from eating too
many carbs at once.  And refined carbs at that!  You probably spiked waaaay
high somewhere between the 1/2 hour and 2 hour mark.  Who told you to eat
like that?

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Billie - 28 Mar 2006 18:05 GMT
Keep checking you bg.  Watch for the delayed absorption at 3 to 4 hours.

Billie

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: This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub,
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Roger Zoul - 28 Mar 2006 18:42 GMT
There are lower-carb versions of cake that don't impact BG so hard and also
lessen the need for meds.

:: This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a
:: turkey sub, and a piece of chocolate cake.  I felt fairly bad after
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:: (no, I may sound like an ad for it, but I'm a musician/customer,
:: nothing more)
Julie Bove - 29 Mar 2006 00:24 GMT
> There are lower-carb versions of cake that don't impact BG so hard and also
> lessen the need for meds.

Lower carb things lessen the need for meds?  How so?

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Roger Zoul - 29 Mar 2006 01:53 GMT
::: There are lower-carb versions of cake that don't impact BG so hard
::: and also lessen the need for meds.
::
:: Lower carb things lessen the need for meds?  How so?

They don't drive the BG up as much, in general.

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Julie Bove - 29 Mar 2006 02:14 GMT
> ::: There are lower-carb versions of cake that don't impact BG so hard
> ::: and also lessen the need for meds.
> ::
> :: Lower carb things lessen the need for meds?  How so?
>
> They don't drive the BG up as much, in general.

But that doesn't lessen the need for meds!

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Roger Zoul - 29 Mar 2006 02:28 GMT
::: Julie Bove wrote:
:::::: There are lower-carb versions of cake that don't impact BG so
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:: But that doesn't lessen the need for meds!

It does for me, and for others.  Perhaps not for everyone, however.

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Julie Bove - 29 Mar 2006 05:55 GMT
> It does for me, and for others.  Perhaps not for everyone, however.

There's more to diabetes than just what you eat.  If you have insulin
resistance, then it's likely you'll need an insulin resistance med.

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Roger Zoul - 29 Mar 2006 12:35 GMT
::: It does for me, and for others.  Perhaps not for everyone, however.
::
:: There's more to diabetes than just what you eat.  If you have insulin
:: resistance, then it's likely you'll need an insulin resistance med.

Lessen the need for meds could mean using smaller dosage, etc. Also, insulin
resistance can be lessened as well.  Meds aren't the only solution.  IMO,
the goal for a T2 should be to eliminate meds, if possible.

Many diabetics can improve their situations by simply not eating things like
full-sugar, full-fat, cake. Yeah, that might not be all they need to do, but
it helps. There are alternatives to sugary foods.
Nicky - 28 Mar 2006 21:51 GMT
> This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub,
> and a piece of chocolate cake.  I felt fairly bad after eating it, but
> really felt like it so I did. Checked my blood 1/2 hour later and it was
> 136.

Don't know why you think that's the byetta - sounds like a pretty typical
reaction to a really stupid meal. Bet you were higher at 15 mins, then you
dropped fast.

Nicky.

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Billie - 29 Mar 2006 00:07 GMT
Nicky, this is exactly how Byetta works, especially on carbohydrates.  You have to eat at least
30 grams after taking the shot.  It *loves* carbs, and goes after them with a vengence!  That
doesn't mean that you "go for broke" with them as David did, but his humbers are so typical of
the Byetta.  After as much as he ate, I would not be surprised to see a fairly high number at 3
to 4 hours when the meal is *released* into the system.  I do not have my PI here in front of me
to give more technical descriptions.

Billie
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: > This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub,
: > and a piece of chocolate cake.  I felt fairly bad after eating it, but
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Billie - 29 Mar 2006 00:40 GMT
Nicky, I may not have done a good job of expressing myself in that reply.  This is one reason I
hold back from posting; "talking" has become very difficult for me with the brain atrophy.  I
*know* what is in my brain/thoughts, but have a real problem getting them out, and expressing it
intelligently.  I have a really hard time with coming up with the right words anymore, and that
is why I am spending so much time doing crossword puzzles.  There is a lot I'd like to share of
myself, and my diabetic journey, but am having problems putting it down onto "paper."  Speech
and English (my major in college) have always been two of my strong suits, along with having
been a medical transcriptionist, and it is driving me crazy now to have the knowledge without
the strength to express it as before. Hope you understand.  :o)

Billie in AR
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Nicky - 29 Mar 2006 13:29 GMT
> Nicky, I may not have done a good job of expressing myself in that reply.

No, Billie - you made perfect sense, and I'm grateful to you for explaining
how Byetta works! I had it in my head that it only acted on carbs it could
see, so to speak - I didn't know there was a minimum carb dose required, and
I didn't realise it had the delayed effect afterwards. I'm glad you guys are
working this out for me, because I quite fancy Byetta instead of insulin
when I progress there!

So David - I apologise - maybe chocolate cake for breakfast wasn't that
stupid!

Nicky.

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Billie - 29 Mar 2006 21:43 GMT
LOL  No, Nicky, it doesn't mean to be lax in choosing food that is good for us.  In fact, it has
come up in one of the Byetta groups that one still has the responsibility for good dieting and
exercise, that it is not a fix-all.  Some were complaining that they were not seeing significant
changes in bg or in weight, yet they were more or less eating whatever they pleased.  Kidney
stone pain, and surgical procedures played havoc with my bg the past few months, four or five I
guess, but when that slowed down, I lost eleven pounds very quickly.  It is hard sometimes being
on insulin and sticking to my diet, but I really do work at it.  I *do not* let myself go with
the idea that I can just bolus for whatever, and go my merry way.  What I *do* though, is treat
myself when we go to the big city (Memphis) and eat at our fave restaurants.  Jim and I usually
will split a dessert.  Basically, my concern now is weight loss.  Between steroids and insulin,
it is an uphill battle, but I'm just glad the meds are there to help with all the various
illnesses.  Could definitely be worse!

Billie

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sharppointy1 - 28 Mar 2006 21:56 GMT
After a meal like that one I would check at 3 and 4 hours, like Billie
suggested.  I have found that if I eat poorly the Byetta merely
postpones the inevitable spike until 3-4 hours out.  Good luck!  Try
thinking of the chocolate cake as a particularly devilish form of
poison....
> This byetta is pretty unpredictable! I ate for breakfast 1/2 a turkey sub,
> and a piece of chocolate cake.  I felt fairly bad after eating it, but
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> (no, I may sound like an ad for it, but I'm a musician/customer, nothing
> more)
David B. - 31 Mar 2006 04:18 GMT
I felt like having it, so I did.  Not typical at all and no, the sugar
didn't spike at all after it even at several hours after. The byetta wiped
out the spike.

> After a meal like that one I would check at 3 and 4 hours, like Billie
> suggested.  I have found that if I eat poorly the Byetta merely
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>> (no, I may sound like an ad for it, but I'm a musician/customer, nothing
>> more)
 
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