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Having a problem finding low-carb stuff at the grocery store

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Jeanie - 28 Mar 2006 06:55 GMT
I live in a very small town (3300 pop.) in quite a rural area and even
the supermarkets here don't stock things like low carb breads.  Last
year, during the height of the Atkins diet "fad" it seemed like every
aisle was full of it, but no longer.

Saturday I was at Krogers in the bread section, luckily at the same time
as one of the grocery managers, so I stopped and spoke to him.  I told
him they had an entire corner of the store filled with bread products
and not a single loaf of low carb bread.  He told me, "That fad seems to
be over."  Well, I told him that I am diabetic (the first time I've said
that out loud to someone not in my immediate circle) and for people like
me, it never was a fad to start with.  I think I struck a brain cell
because his eyes got big and he started to catch on.  So, I'm hoping I
might start seeing it again soon.

Another little treat that I thought I was never going to be able to
enjoy again is those little Starbucks bottled frappuchinos.  I used to
buy one in the refrigerator case just before I checked out and would sip
it all the way home as my little reward for doing all the shopping.
But, a couple of weeks ago I discovered four packs of bottles of
Wolfgang Puck's Low Card gourmet french vanilla latte.  Same price as
the Starbucks brand, but no sugar and only 9 carbs per bottle, which is
an allowable "splurge" for me and quite a treat.  Alas, I bought the
last carton they had last week and when I looked for it this week, they
didn't even have a space on the shelf for it.  I can't have been the
only person buying this, why did they drop it?

Does anybody have any ideas about how to be an effective "squeaky wheel"
with the powers that be in supermarkets?

Jeanie
Alan S - 28 Mar 2006 09:35 GMT
>I live in a very small town (3300 pop.) in quite a rural area and even
>the supermarkets here don't stock things like low carb breads.  Last
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>
>Jeanie

There's lots of low carb stuff in my grocery store. Well,
actually, it's in the green-grocery section:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Roger Zoul - 28 Mar 2006 13:41 GMT
:: On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 05:55:02 GMT, Jeanie
:: <taureanmoon@yahoo.com> wrote:
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:: There's lots of low carb stuff in my grocery store. Well,
:: actually, it's in the green-grocery section:-)

And in the meat section (including fish, poultry, pork).

:: Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Jeanie - 28 Mar 2006 17:02 GMT
> :: There's lots of low carb stuff in my grocery store. Well,
> :: actually, it's in the green-grocery section:-)
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> :: Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> :: d&e, metformin 2x500mg

Oh, absolutely!  I've always tried to do most of my shopping around the
perimeter of the store, in the fresh produce, meat and dairy sections.
But the nutritionist is telling me that I should be getting the bulk of
my food from the grains section of the food pyramid and she just doesn't
seem to understand that I'm listening to my meter and not to her.  :-)

Jeanie
Nicky - 28 Mar 2006 21:26 GMT
> But the nutritionist is telling me that I should be getting the bulk of my
> food from the grains section of the food pyramid and she just doesn't seem
> to understand that I'm listening to my meter and not to her.  :-)

We did have one diabetic lady whose non-diabetic daughter was training to be
a nutritionist - what happened to them, anyone remember? I had high hopes of
that kid!

Nicky.

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Jenny - 28 Mar 2006 22:21 GMT
> Oh, absolutely!  I've always tried to do most of my shopping around the
> perimeter of the store, in the fresh produce, meat and dairy sections.
> But the nutritionist is telling me that I should be getting the bulk of
> my food from the grains section of the food pyramid and she just doesn't
> seem to understand that I'm listening to my meter and not to her.  :-)

Your nutritionist has fallen for another "fad diet".  The low fat diet
that has recently been discredited in a $400 million dollar study.
Unfortunately, she's probably been giving out this miserable dietary
advice to diabetics for so long that she doesn't remember where it came
from.

--Jenny

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Chris J. - 28 Mar 2006 10:08 GMT
>I live in a very small town (3300 pop.) in quite a rural area and even
>the supermarkets here don't stock things like low carb breads.  Last
>year, during the height of the Atkins diet "fad" it seemed like every
>aisle was full of it, but no longer.

I have similar trouble, as I too live in a rural area.

I've found that by reading labels, I often find low-carb stuff where I
least expect it. For example, Kellogs special K still makes a low carb
version, but now it's labeled "protein plus". Same stuff, different
label.

>Saturday I was at Krogers in the bread section, luckily at the same time
>as one of the grocery managers, so I stopped and spoke to him.  I told
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>because his eyes got big and he started to catch on.  So, I'm hoping I
>might start seeing it again soon.

Bread is the hardest thing IMHO to find a substitute for, and low carb
bread is an essential for me. I often have to get it at outrageous
prices at a health food store, where it's just about the only low carb
stuff they carry.

I've had the exact same conversation with grocery managers, including
being told "the fad is over, everyone has moved on". My reply is "Gee,
really? Then they forgot to take away my diabetes before they moved
on!". That usually gets the brain cells moving, and if not I prod a
little and explain that as a diabetic, it's no good for me to eat
carbohydrates as those turn to sugar when digested.  

>Does anybody have any ideas about how to be an effective "squeaky wheel"
>with the powers that be in supermarkets?

Yep. I've had good luck at some of mine, such as getting them to
restock low carb tortillas. I pointed out that I depended on them as
I'm diabetic and they were the only place in town carrying them, and
that other stores in their chain did still carry them. They now carry
them again. I also note that they sell out often, so it was hardly
lack of sales that was the problem.  
Susan Adair - 28 Mar 2006 11:00 GMT
I'm in a larger town, but I still have problems in the grocery store.
For two weeks in a row mine has been sold out of Wasa fiber rye, which
I depend on.  It seems to have become some kind of fad here, or maybe
it was talked about on some tv show, because I've not had trouble
finding it before.  I tried a different store - same problem.  I
complained to the store manager; we will see what happens tomorrow when
I shop.

I think it helps if you can suggest specific items, and specific
brands.  I'm going to try to get LAtortillas carried in town.  You
might try suggesting that your store get Sara Lee Delightful breads.
They seem to sell well here; the store runs out of the multigrain kind
from time to time.  I sometimes mention diabetes, sometimes not.  In a
smaller store you may well need to let the manager know; otherwise, as
you discovered, they tend to think of low-carb foods as a fad.
Pointing out that other people appear to buy the stuff you want can
help.

If I remember correctly you are in southern Illinois.  I'm in central
Illinois, in a college town.  If you are in Carbondale from time to
time try browsing a bigger store and noting, or buying, low-carb foods
to try and then tell your store manager about.  Letting him know you
saw it in the bigger place may trigger a need to keep his customers
happy so they don't shop elsewhere.

I think there are so many new versions of packaged foods that store
buyers can't carry them all, and may choose what to stock on sales
statistics or just a random whim.  If you let the manager know that you
need and appreciate certain low-carb items he may well keep you in mind
when salesmen push various things.   That's probably most important in
a smaller store like yours.  Of course, if you find something you like
you need to buy it regularly, and maybe let the manager know.

Susan Adair
Jeanie - 28 Mar 2006 17:09 GMT
> I'm in a larger town, but I still have problems in the grocery store.
> For two weeks in a row mine has been sold out of Wasa fiber rye, which
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> saw it in the bigger place may trigger a need to keep his customers
> happy so they don't shop elsewhere.

Carbondale is about 25 miles from here, a bit far for the weekly
shopping trip with gas as high as it is, but I can try doing that the
next time my husband decides to make a trip to Lowes.  We'll just keep
going to the other side of town and pop into Schnucks.  One place that I
will not shop is the Super WalMart.  I hate those huge stores, they wear
me out.  The quality of their produce and meat is atrocious, too.  I
don't need to buy my motor oil, underwear and groceries at the same
store anyway.  The last time I was in there (probably 7 years ago) I was
buying a pair of sweat pants for my son and couldn't even lay them on
the conveyor belt at the check out because it was streaked with chicken
blood from the last shopper.  Bah!  Not for me, thank you!

> I think there are so many new versions of packaged foods that store
> buyers can't carry them all, and may choose what to stock on sales
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>
> Susan Adair

Yes, I'm sure that makes sense.  I'm going to have to develop my
"squeaky wheel" talents, I reckon.  LOL

Jeanie
Susan Adair - 28 Mar 2006 17:32 GMT
You might try getting your store to carry a couple of things- for me
Wasa Fiber Rye is crucial.  I use it in place of crackers, for peanut
butter to take to work for lunch, to dip into salsa - it tends to
replace crackers and chips, and substitutes for bread a lot.   I limit
my bread usage - I use about one loaf every 2-3 weeks.  The best
commercial low-carb bread I've found is Sara Lee Delightful
multi-grain.  It's about 8 gr carbs per slice.  Sara Lee is a national
brand, so your grocer can probably get it if you ask for it.  It seems
to be popular here; once in a while the multi-grain is sold out; the
store might find that other people buy it as well as you.

Blue Bunny carb freedom yogert  is also valuable for me; 5 gr carbs for
yogurt with fruit.  I use it a lot for snacks or for a little
after-dinner finish.

As others have said, a lot of the low-carb products that suddenly
appeard are not that low-carb, or that worth eating.   I choose the
items I use for their fit into my daily life and daily eating.  Yes,
you can make your own lower-carb bread, pancakes, cookies, etc., but I
just don't care to do all that baking.  I'd rather give up a lot of
grain foods than have to fiddle with preparation, and with having too
much around the house.  Wasa fiber rye is about the only low-carb food
I consider essential.  The Sara Lee bread is nice; I can have 2 slices
of toast on the weekend, and the occasional sandwich.  Low-carb fruit
yogurt is fairly important because it's there in the fridge,
ready-made, and I can take it to work.  If I had to I could make up a
version for myself but I'd just as soon not.

I hate Walmart too; it's a union thing, as well as all the offensive
folksy ads.  

Susan Adair
Nicky - 28 Mar 2006 13:21 GMT
> Does anybody have any ideas about how to be an effective "squeaky wheel"
> with the powers that be in supermarkets?

Sounds like you're doing quite well : )

In England, the big supermarket chains allow local managers only a very
small amount of local leeway - but once the local manager finds out what you
need, I've found them quite helpful. They prefer letters rather than verbal
communication, so they can wave them up the tree.

I've also taken to buying on line quite extensively - there are a few
low-carb suppliers who do things I find very convenient, like low-carb
tortillas. I wouldn't touch the Atkins stuff, sugar alcohols and me
generally don't mix well! I've also found specialist suppliers so I can make
my own low-carb bread. I suspect that's a trend that will continue - I have
a recipe saved for home-made tortillas, when that becomes necessary! After
all, people did fine on low-carb before the marketing hype : )

Nicky.

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W.M.McKee - 28 Mar 2006 13:33 GMT
>I live in a very small town (3300 pop.) in quite a rural area and even
>the supermarkets here don't stock things like low carb breads.  Last
>year, during the height of the Atkins diet "fad" it seemed like every
>aisle was full of it, but no longer.

I would suggest avoiding processed foods as much as possible.....
surely fresh veggies are available, along with beans, vinegars, olive
oil, etc. Don't know what to suggest re the bread, though... Are you
sure there is no pumpernickel or dark rye? You might be able to eat
very small amounts of that.

Maybe it would be worth a trip to a larger community about once a
week, or so to get some healthier bread....

Will, T2
Jeanie - 28 Mar 2006 17:11 GMT
> I would suggest avoiding processed foods as much as possible.....
> surely fresh veggies are available, along with beans, vinegars, olive
> oil, etc. Don't know what to suggest re the bread, though... Are you
> sure there is no pumpernickel or dark rye? You might be able to eat
> very small amounts of that.

I don't think they have pumpernickel and I know they only have a light rye.

> Maybe it would be worth a trip to a larger community about once a
> week, or so to get some healthier bread....
>
> Will, T2

Well, I doubt I can manage the trip once a week, but if I do find myself
in a larger area for another purpose, I suppose I can try buying a
couple of loaves and then freezing it.  Thanks, I'll try that.

Jeanie
Jenny - 28 Mar 2006 14:17 GMT
> I live in a very small town (3300 pop.) in quite a rural area and even
> the supermarkets here don't stock things like low carb breads.  Last
> year, during the height of the Atkins diet "fad" it seemed like every
> aisle was full of it, but no longer.

I recently had the identical experience in Trader Joe's when I went
looking for a low carb cereal they have always carried.

But the good news is that 80% of the "low carb" products they were
selling during the fad were NOT truly low carb and had ugly effects on
blood sugar. Many were full of "modified corn starch" and maltitol which
they claimed didn't raise blood sugar but, for many people, do.

Not so coincidentally, years ago, before the "low carb" products
appeared on the shelves, those of us who used a low carb diet used to
lose weight within weeks on those diets. The low carb diet newsgroup was
one of the busiest on usenet. After the "low carb" products hit the
market, many fewer people were successful with "low carb" diets because
the products raised their blood sugars and stalled their weight loss.
The reason the "fad" is over, is because "low carb" diets full of "low
carb" products won't work.

So now you can go back to eating the truly low carb way that controls
blood sugar and weight. Search on alt.support.diet.low-carb for messages
that start with "REC" to find hundreds of recipes, many of which are
very good.

The classic advice for low carbing is to "Shop the Edges" in the
supermarket.  Veggies, berries, dairy, and meat are the basis for your diet.

Get yourself some whey protein powder to bake with and you can make your
own pancakes and muffins etc. You can also make excellent cookies with
almond meal. Invest in some DaVinci sugarfree syrups and use them
instead of the powdered splenda in your cooking. Less carbs and better
flavor.

--Jenny

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Jeanie - 28 Mar 2006 17:17 GMT
> So now you can go back to eating the truly low carb way that controls
> blood sugar and weight. Search on alt.support.diet.low-carb for messages
> that start with "REC" to find hundreds of recipes, many of which are
> very good.

<making a note of that>

> The classic advice for low carbing is to "Shop the Edges" in the
> supermarket.  Veggies, berries, dairy, and meat are the basis for your
> diet.

Yes, that's usually the way I shop anyway, but I always added bread,
rice, pasta and cereal to the cart, too.  I miss that, and since my
family still wants me to fix stuff like that, at least once a week, it's
a bit hard for me.  But I'll make it.

> Get yourself some whey protein powder to bake with and you can make your
> own pancakes and muffins etc. You can also make excellent cookies with
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>
> --Jenny

I'll look for the whey protein powder, but I have a hunch I won't find
it around here.  I know none of the stores here carry almond meal
because I looked for it once before for a recipe I had.  But, I do order
DaVinci syrups online and it's about time for me to make another order.
 And this time, they will all be sugar free.  It will be healthier for
all of us and maybe if I hide the bottles, nobody will be the wiser
about it.

Jeanie
Nicky - 28 Mar 2006 21:29 GMT
> I'll look for the whey protein powder, but I have a hunch I won't find it
> around here.

Try weightlifting shops - weird but true : )

> I know none of the stores here carry almond meal because I looked for it
> once before for a recipe I had.

It's possible to grind nuts to meal yourself, in a blender or grinder. It's
a pain though, because one whizz too far and you have nut butter. Tasty,
though : )

Nicky.

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Jenny - 28 Mar 2006 22:17 GMT
> I'll look for the whey protein powder, but I have a hunch I won't find
> it around here.  I know none of the stores here carry almond meal
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> all of us and maybe if I hide the bottles, nobody will be the wiser
> about it.

You can order inexpensive low carb and very good Whey Protein Powder
online from http://www.vitaminworld.com

Search for the "Precision Engineered" brand. It's much cheaper than
others and cooks up BETTER than others people have tried.

I use the Vanilla when I bake or make pancakes and eat it plain for
breakfast mixed up with flax meal and peanut butter.

--Jenny

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Julie Bove - 29 Mar 2006 00:32 GMT
> > I'll look for the whey protein powder, but I have a hunch I won't find
> > it around here.  I know none of the stores here carry almond meal
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> > all of us and maybe if I hide the bottles, nobody will be the wiser
> > about it.

Look for the whey powder at the drug store in the section with the diet
foods or things for body builders.  If you can't find it there, then you can
get it online.  Try drugstore.com.  You can get free shipping on many
things.

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Jeanie - 29 Mar 2006 06:19 GMT
>>>I'll look for the whey protein powder, but I have a hunch I won't find
>>>it around here.  I know none of the stores here carry almond meal
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> get it online.  Try drugstore.com.  You can get free shipping on many
> things.

Thanks for the link.

Jeanie
Janet Wilder - 28 Mar 2006 17:21 GMT
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> Saturday I was at Krogers in the bread section, luckily at the same time
> as one of the grocery managers, so I stopped and spoke to him.  I told
> him they had an entire corner of the store filled with bread products
> and not a single loaf of low carb bread.  <snip>

The latest "fad" seems to be  high fiber. We buy a "double fiber" bread
that is actually lower in carbs and calories than the "low-carb" bread.
Rather than reading the names of the products, try reading the labels.
There are some pleasant surprises.

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Julie Bove - 28 Mar 2006 17:39 GMT
> I live in a very small town (3300 pop.) in quite a rural area and even
> the supermarkets here don't stock things like low carb breads.  Last
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> Does anybody have any ideas about how to be an effective "squeaky wheel"
> with the powers that be in supermarkets?

I would agree that the fad seems to be over.  Low carb stuff has been marked
down and phased out here, and I live in a suburb of Seattle.  Hardly a small
area.  Most stores are happy to take special orders.  But if it's a product
that is no longer being made or from a vendor they no longer stock, you'll
probably be out of luck.  You might have better luck with the drink.  People
tend to see drinks not as fad items but "diet" items.

Have you checked nutrition labels on the bread?  When I lived in NY, I could
get some very thin sliced bread.  The carb count was doable.  I think Roman
Meal is another bread that is fairly low in carbs.

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RB - 29 Mar 2006 04:54 GMT
>I live in a very small town (3300 pop.) in quite a rural area and even
>the supermarkets here don't stock things like low carb breads.  Last
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>
>Jeanie

This may not help much.  www.foodnetwork.com   Low Carb and Lovin' it.

If you can't get the show you can get the recipes off the web.  May
require real cooking but you may find some things to help.

Good luck.

RB
 
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