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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / April 2006What exactly do you call low carb?
1. What exactly do you call low carb? 2. What do you eat? 3. What foods do you avoid? 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? Thanks friends.  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 25, 2006 is 2,323. Americans wounded = more than 16,774 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 105 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 27, 2007 It has been 1060 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." 1.I don't eat Low Carb per Say...but Lower Carb:) My dietian suggested between 150 and 180 carbs per day....and I have done fine with it for the last 8 years or so...sometimes more sometimes less it depends on what my meter says too:) 2. Anything that tells my meter it is ok. I know I can't eat rice but can eat some potatoes. 3. look at #2 jacquie 1. What exactly do you call low carb? 2. What do you eat? 3. What foods do you avoid? 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? Thanks friends. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 25, 2006 is 2,323. Americans wounded = more than 16,774 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 105 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 27, 2007 It has been 1060 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." Jacquie you and I pretty much follow the same pattern. >1.I don't eat Low Carb per Say...but Lower Carb:) My dietian suggested >between 150 and 180 carbs per day....and I have done fine with it for the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Thanks friends. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 25, 2006 is 2,323. Americans wounded = more than 16,774 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 105 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 27, 2007 It has been 1060 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." > 1. What exactly do you call low carb? Limiting my intake of carbohydrates based on their being carbohydrates and on their level of refinement is what I call low carb. If I want potatoes and eat them, I'm not low-carbing. If I want potatoes and eat just the skin of a baked potato with my meat or fish and pile of veg, I'm eating low carb. If I want white bread or croissants or danish but instead have a very high fiber fruit/nut muffin made from Bob's Low Carb baking mix (which muffins turn out to be really really good, by the way), I am low-carbing. If I'm dying for French toast but make it from Arnold's Carb Counting bread and put sugar-free syrup on it, I'm eating lower carb. If I eat meat or fish with loads of veg for dinner, then allow myself a small dish of Ben and Jerry's at bedtime, I consider myself low carbing. I guess I really eat "less carb than I'd like" and that translates to a similar thing to what others call low carb. If you want a more scientific definition, then eating less than 100 grams of carb a day qualifies as low carb, but for me I define it in a far mushier fashion, as you can see above. > 2. What do you eat? Meat, fish, chicken, tofu, eggs, nuts, some limited whole grains like a little brown rice or real whole wheat flour for baking, berries, some pears/peaches/apples, vegies of all sorts (cabbage, broccoli, brussel sprouts, spinach, asparagus, green beans, bean sprouts, greens, bok choy, scallions, tomatoes, onions, mushrooms, soy beans, some pinto/kidney/etc. beans, olives, avocadoes, artichokes, bamboo shoots, water chestnuts, cucumbers, bell peppers, some petite green peas, lentils, etc.), cream, sour cream, cottage cheese, all kinds of cheese, yoghurt, some milk, soy sauce, sesame oil, peanut oil, olive oil, canola oil, vinegars of many kinds, sesame paste, whole sesame, small amounts of black bean sauce, garlic, herbs, spices, shirataki (chewy noodles made almost entirely of soluble fiber), the occasional Dreamfields pasta. In cooking, I'll use a little: corn starch, white sugar, white flour for thickening, etc. > 3. What foods do you avoid? The insides of potatoes (except for tiny new potatoes which I eat the whole thing of), sweet pototoes, plaintains, baked goods made with white flour, pineapples, more than about 4 grapes at a sitting, bananas, white rice, corn (except a few ears every summer). > 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? It was made in shock when my FBG was recorded at 130. I knew that was diabetes territory, and I had to do something. I cut way WAY back on carbs and essentially did a type of Atkins induction period, although I didn't realize it at the time. After I got my meter I slowly discovered more and more I could add back in, and then as the metformin kicked in, I got a little more wiggle-room from that, too. > 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? Type 2, metformin, diet, increasing exercize. Last A1c in mid 5s. Initially lost 40 pounds, but 10 have crept back on (that wiggle room went to my waist). Priscilla >>1. What exactly do you call low carb? > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Priscilla Priscilla I also have lost 40 lbs. For the past 2 months now, either with increased exercise/maybe falling off the wagon a wee bit, I've gained 5lbs. Not sure if they are a combo of muscle weight/fat gain. My middle is also flabby, all my pants still fit. Have cut my metformin down to 500mg/day. So it seems harder now to keep off what had stayed off. So I'm trying to increase my exercise & well this time around, I find it harder to portion control & stick to lower carbs. My last A1C was 5.4 (March 8th, 2006). It is disconcerting to see the weight scale go up! :( Even if it is muscle weight. But yes, the middle is the big indicator as well. Trinity Signaturetrinitytype2@nospamyahoo.ca remove nospam dx Oct 2003, Type 2, metformin 500mg/2xday low dose aspirin 3x week walking 30 min/day A1C 5.4 40 lbs lost next goal: gain muscle strength > > Type 2, metformin, diet, increasing exercize. Last A1c in mid 5s. > > Initially lost 40 pounds, but 10 have crept back on (that wiggle room [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > muscle weight. But yes, the middle is the big indicator as well. > Trinity I'm trying to not let myself become paralyzed but rather put the temptation to discouragement aside and start walking. I got myself a cool pedometer that I like to drive my numbers of steps up for (see those numbers climb!), and I am going back to some of my lower carb treats even though I can currently "get away with" more refined goodies. I do NOT want to go into my endo's office in June to discover that I've gained back any MORE! :-( Plus, I'm going to camp for a week at the end of the summer, and I want my stamina built up by then so I can square dance with the best of them. ;-) Priscilla > Plus, I'm going to camp for a week at the end of the summer, and I want > my stamina built up by then so I can square dance with the best of them. > ;-) > > Priscilla Wow! What a great way to have fun, socialize and get good exercise! Thanks for the idea, I'm going to look for a square dance club in this area. > > Plus, I'm going to camp for a week at the end of the summer, and I want > > my stamina built up by then so I can square dance with the best of them. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Wow! What a great way to have fun, socialize and get good exercise! Thanks > for the idea, I'm going to look for a square dance club in this area. May I put in the tiniest plug right here for Camp Camp? It's for GLBT adults who either never got to go to camp when they were kids (that's my category) or loved camp so much they wish they could go back now. Their website is at http://www.campcamp.com/ I have no connection other than the fact that I'm going for my first time this summer. Yayyyy!!! Priscilla > 1. What exactly do you call low carb? Heh, this is definitely a YMMV question :lol:. I can't really answer it with any kind of consistency. My "ballpark" feeling is that anything under 100 grams a day of carbohydrate is low or low-ered carb. That encompasses everything from Atkins induction (20 g max) to Schwarzbeins non-ketosis idealogy (3 meals of 15 carbs each + 2 7 carb snacks per day). > 2. What do you eat? meat, chicken, fish, eggs, vegetables, nuts, beans sometimes. A wasa cracker or slice of flax bread once in a blue moon. No fruit at this point, hoping to heal enough to have some someday. > 3. What foods do you avoid? Everything white - potatos, bread, sugar, pasta. Tortillas, anything made with cornmeal. Fruit. Starchy vegetables like carrots, peas, and corn. > 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? Yes, because my reactive hypoglycemia made it's presence known in a BIG BAD way once I stopped feeding the crashes with starch. I'm now at 6 weeks in and still shaking a lot of the time and have had to continue to cut the carbs back in an effort to get it to stop. I'm hoping it will eventually equilibrate, because this truly sucks. Eating carbs just makes the blood sugar swing wildly so to avoid the swings I have to not eat the carbs. The diet itself isn't bad - I like everything on it. And there is no sugar cravings with it, in large part because I shake like a blender if I eat any which is excellent negative reinforcement. My husband, Mr. Carb Fiend, can be a pill about what I'm cooking now too, which doesn't help. > 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us I have a theory that everyone gets to eat only so much ice cream in their life. If you eat it all in your youth you won't be able to have any when you are older :lol: . LQ, RH, severely IR, not yet T2, trying like hell not to get it. > LQ, RH, severely IR, not yet T2, trying like hell not to get it. That's an Alice Through the Looking Glass problem, because it's not going to begood enough just to halt progression. You're going to have to improve your figures at least as quickly as doctors revise the diagnostic criteria downwards :-) SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > 1. What exactly do you call low carb? I don't really go by numbers, though I do know that in reading labels, less is better. My nutritionist said that I should eat from 45-60 grams of carbs per meal, with another 15 or so in each of two snacks. But if I did that, my BG would go through the roof. I don't count carbs in green vegetables and/or raw veggies like cauliflower or carrots. None of those bother me. > 2. What do you eat? Breakfast is either eggs with bacon bits or oatmeal with butter and Splenda brown sugar substitute. Lunch might be celery with peanut butter or cheese spread, a cheese stick with a piece of lean ham wrapped around it, a dill pickle, a small salad with boiled egg (if I didn't eat eggs for breakfast), that sort of thing. Snacks are things like strawberries, peanuts, raw veggies, a beef/cheese stick, or a package of those cheese crackers with peanut butter in them (rarely). Supper could be soup, a lean steak or skinless chicken, a lean pork chop (all grilled/broiled) and steamed veggies. That's the way I've been eating since I was diagnosed the end of February. > 3. What foods do you avoid? I simply avoid anything "white" like rice, pasta, potatoes and bread. That means ALL of the above, including the "brown" varieties. My meter tells me I simply cannot eat them anymore. I also avoid sugar and anything made with sugar. I do not eat desserts. Period. I've never had a sweet tooth so this isn't really a problem for me. > 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? Yes. Missing those baked potatoes and hot fresh yeast rolls is tough. Not being able to pop into a drive through for a quick burger or chicken sandwich while out for a day of running around. Making sure that I eat at least three or four times a day. Spending a LOT more at the grocery store than I used to. Switching to a sugar free vanilla latte and pretending I like it....LOL It's also hard trying to continue to prepare the foods my family loves and asks for when I know in advance that I can't eat a bite of. Sometimes I have to prepare a separate meal for myself. It's also meant that we can no longer go to some of our favorite restaurants. No more pasta or pizza limits my choices a great deal in the area where I live. Not a lot to choose from here anyway. > 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? > > Thanks friends. Only that I'm in here lurking a great deal, learning more and more every day. Thanks, all, for the great advice you guys give. Jeanie >> 1. What exactly do you call low carb? > >I don't really go by numbers, though I do know that in reading labels, >less is better. My nutritionist said that I should eat from 45-60 grams >of carbs per meal, with another 15 or so in each of two snacks. I can do that except for breakfast. If I were to eat that many carbs in the morning it would guarantee a spike in the 180-200 range. I don't care to go there. By the way, if I don't eat breakfast I will go into that same range, so I just keep eating my one slice of raisin/cinnamon toast with peanut butter. >> 3. What foods do you avoid? > > I simply avoid anything "white" like rice, pasta, potatoes and bread. Me too, but not the brown varieties of bread. We keep saying we are going to try a little wild rice, but keep forgetting to buy some. > I also avoid sugar and >anything made with sugar. I do not eat desserts. Period. I do in very limited servings and as my between meal snack rather than right after a meal. > I've never >had a sweet tooth so this isn't really a problem for me. What? You get along with absolutely no chocolate? >Jeanie Thanks for answering Jeanie. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 25, 2006 is 2,323. Americans wounded = more than 16,774 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 105 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 27, 2007 It has been 1060 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >> I've never >>had a sweet tooth so this isn't really a problem for me. > > What? You get along with absolutely no chocolate? LOL! Well, I haven't had any for over a month now and I'm surviving. The doctor says I can have something small once in a while, like a Hershey's Kiss or a Dove chocolate after a meal that's had some fat and protein in it. I haven't tried that, yet, but I'm sure I will before much longer. The real test will be Easter. We have four adult kids, two sons-in-law, and eight grandchildren and my husband likes to make up a basket for each one of them. That's a lot of chocolate and goodies, and I usually am the one who fills them, then I set them on the dining room table so they can grab them when they come for the big meal. (I'm the cook for all the holiday gatherings and we've got plenty of room here for everybody to sit down to the table at once.) I usually eat up the odd pieces of candy after filling all those baskets. I think I'll let my husband do the honors this year. <g> >>Jeanie > > Thanks for answering Jeanie. I'll jump in once in a while, I expect. Jeanie > 1. What exactly do you call low carb? My meter is happiest around the 50-60g net carb mark. > 2. What do you eat? Things I like : ) I'm a good cook, and I enjoy a very wide range of foods. Some things I use low-carb substitutes for - I bake low-carb bread and occasionally eat Dreamfields pasta, for instance. I regularly buy low-carb tortillas, pancake syrup and Hoisin sauce. I have my menu for this week beside me - it reads; Salade Nicoise on Tuesday, beef and broccolli stir-fry on Wednesday, tuna in a Waldorf salad mix baked in half a crispy bread shell on Thursday, Huevas Rancheros on Friday, roast pork on Saturday, lasagne (new Dreamfields shape) on Sunday, and burgers with home-made pickled veg on Monday. Lunch is salad or soup. Breakfast is linseed porridge or a pancake made with the same mix beaten with an egg. I've also got some really nice Ricotta cheese in the fridge, so we'll probably have that as a coffee/ricotta/cream mousse dessert one night. I have some pumpkin seed mix for snacks, and I usually have a piece of dark chocolate and some dried prunes somewhere during the day. Other daytime snacks might be half an apple, or some berries with yoghurt. > 3. What foods do you avoid? Flour, potatoes, parsnips. I dislike capsicums and peas : ) > 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? No, very easy - as is keeping to it. It's so astoundingly much easier than a low-fat lifestyle for me that I have a hard time understanding why other people don't try it. > 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? 10,000 steps every day, weightlifting 3x weekly. 45yo, apart from hypothyroidism in excellent health thanks to the above routine! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg > I've also got some really nice > Ricotta cheese in the fridge, so we'll probably have that as a > coffee/ricotta/cream mousse dessert one night. Maybe in alt.food.diabetic? :-) Priscilla >> I've also got some really nice >> Ricotta cheese in the fridge, so we'll probably have that as a >> coffee/ricotta/cream mousse dessert one night. > > Maybe in alt.food.diabetic? :-) I'd feel bad posting it there, because it would be a straight steal - I'm using this recipe, except with granular Splenda: http://www.lowcarb.ca/karen/recipe051.html Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >>>I've also got some really nice >>>Ricotta cheese in the fridge, so we'll probably have that as a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nicky. Please, what is the substitution of granular Splenda for liquid sweetener. I have a recipe I want to try, but it is with liquid sweetener and I want to use Splenda (not the baking kind with the sugar in it) TIA Signature----------- Janet Wilder The Road Princess http://janetwilder.blogspot.com Sweetzfree http://sweetzfree.com/ I don't sell it, and I have no interest in it whatsoever, other than to answer your question. -- Cheri Janet Wilder wrote in message <44295ff6$0$11984$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>... >Please, what is the substitution of granular Splenda for liquid >sweetener. I have a recipe I want to try, but it is with liquid [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >The Road Princess >http://janetwilder.blogspot.com Sorry, I misread your question. I really don't know since I use Sweetzfree, due to not liking the aftertaste of Powdered Splenda. -- Cheri Cheri wrote in message ... >Sweetzfree http://sweetzfree.com/ I don't sell it, and I have no >interest in it whatsoever, other than to answer your question. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>The Road Princess >>http://janetwilder.blogspot.com > Please, what is the substitution of granular Splenda for liquid sweetener. > I have a recipe I want to try, but it is with liquid sweetener and I want > to use Splenda (not the baking kind with the sugar in it) I tend to put less sweetener in than a recipe calls for, so I'd add a couple of tablespoons and try it. I have a recipe that says 2tsp Stevia liquid to 1/3 cup Splenda, but I don't know how sweet Stevia is. Something else I'm doing lately is using DaVinci syrups instead of sweetener and some liquid in things like muffin recipes. That's working out well : ) What's the recipe, maybe we can come up with analogues? Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >> "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote in >> message news:vze23t8n- [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > TIA Splenda measures volume for volume like sugar (not by weight). You could look at the liquid sweetner to see what amount of sugar it is equivalent to then use that volume of Splenda. So, if the liquid says 1tsp = 1/4 cup of sugar you could use 1/4 cup of Splenda and be pretty close in sweetness. SignaturePete Romfh, Telecom Geek & Amateur Gourmet. http://www.bigoven.com/~promfh promfh (at) hal-pc (dot) org > Splenda measures volume for volume like sugar (not by weight). > You could look at the liquid sweetner to see what amount of sugar it is > equivalent to then use that volume of Splenda. > So, if the liquid says 1tsp = 1/4 cup of sugar you could use 1/4 cup of > Splenda and be pretty close in sweetness. Thanks, Pete. Does anyone have a bottle of liquid sweetner handy to give me the proportions? I'd be grateful. Signature----------- Janet Wilder >> 1. What exactly do you call low carb? > >My meter is happiest around the 50-60g net carb mark. Per day or per meal? <wink, wink> SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 25, 2006 is 2,323. Americans wounded = more than 16,774 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 105 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 27, 2007 It has been 1060 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >>> 1. What exactly do you call low carb? >> >>My meter is happiest around the 50-60g net carb mark. > > Per day or per meal? <wink, wink> Day. As you well know : ) Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg :: 1. What exactly do you call low carb? Less than 100g of carbs per day, generally. :: 2. What do you eat? Mostly LC foods and small amounts of high-carb foods. The list is nearly endless and food selection is not a problem. :: 3. What foods do you avoid? Foods high in carbs and junk foods (those high in carbs). :: 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? Before I got over the fear of fat, yes. The first few days on LC I felt terrible - death warmed over. However, after losing 142 lbs and getting a life, I'll never quit. :: 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? For me, LC works great for controlling BG. It's easy. I don't have to test all the time to see if I can eat this or that, since if I eat LC I don't need to worry. To me, eating to my meter is a lot of work. I have done it enough to know, however, that on LC my BG never gets over 100. I save up my strips and then test like hell over brief periods. LC doesn't work as well for me for high intensity lifting, or sprinting on the bike, or long duration cycling (3+ hours). For these activities, I must eat more carbs. The good thing is, i'm just a weekend warrior and a deskjockey the rest of the time. It works for me. I'd like to hear from other T2s who engage in these types of activities to see how they deal with the BG thing. Also, I don't feel like I'm missing anything. If I want a treat, I can get a LC treat using nut flours and splenda (mainly). On holidays, I might eat sugar/starch laden foods. But I do my best to avoid it. Around holidays, I bake a few of my favorites and share them with my high-carb brethen. Most of them can't tell the difference. I try like hell not to make a fuss about LC in RL (after having beat everyone around me into submission at the beginning, mind you). I do here and on the LC newsgroup, however. I date a lot and most of the ladies never know i'm a LCer (or a T2). If I get offered something sweet, I just say I'm watching my weight. Everyone respects that. :) "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message <snip> > Before I got over the fear of fat, yes. The first few days on LC I felt > terrible - death warmed over. However, after losing 142 lbs and getting a > life, I'll never quit. <snip> Good for you! I have lost 60 lbs so I am just starting my long journey of weight loss. I figure another 100 lbs and I will be good to go. Keep it up! -Sax :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message :: <snip> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] :: to go. Keep it up! :: -Sax Hey, 60 lbs is great! Good job! > LC doesn't work as well for me for high intensity lifting, or sprinting on > the bike, or long duration cycling (3+ hours). For these activities, I must > eat more carbs. The good thing is, i'm just a weekend warrior and a > deskjockey the rest of the time. It works for me. I'd like to hear from > other T2s who engage in these types of activities to see how they deal with > the BG thing. I exercise daily, an hour or so anaerobic and anything up to three or four that is primarily aerobic. I ride, swim or kayak mostly. I have my own gym, quite well equipped and if the weather is bad, too hot or too cold/wet, I use that, but I prefer getting out on the water or riding around the beaches. I eat around 140-160 grams of carb per day (it varies depending on the exercise) and if I don't eat some carbs before and during long exercise I flag very easily. I don't have the fat reserves left to draw on, so I run out of energy rather rapidly if I'm not careful. On a long ride or paddle I take both carbs and protein with me and eat regularly. I generally have Biltong (jerky) as well a carb source along with plenty of water. I tried at first to persevere with hard exercise without adding carbs and it was an enormous effort of will rather than a pleasurable pastime. I then found that carbs before and during exercise didn't have a negative effect on my blood glucose, that in fact without carbs I would go hypo, often dropping below 3(54). I have experimented with carb sources and have dropped energy/sports drinks in favour of a home made sushi using a mix of par-cooked rice & barley that has been fried in olive oil. Being oily and par-cooked it digests very slowly and seems to give a longer supply of energy and little or no BG spiking. Works well for me one or two of my friends who have tried it. Plus it lets me eat Sushi again, one of my favourite foods. <g> I also carry various coconut based health bars, fatty and high carb, and very tasty. I wouldn't like to be a "non-exercising" low carber, it would make life very dull without those extra carbs that exercise allows. Regards David SignatureTo email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. :: Roger Zoul wrote: :: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] :: I wouldn't like to be a "non-exercising" low carber, it would make :: life very dull without those extra carbs that exercise allows. Thanks for the info, David. >:: 1. What exactly do you call low carb? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Foods high in carbs and junk foods (those high in carbs). I guess I should have said, "be specific." SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 25, 2006 is 2,323. Americans wounded = more than 16,774 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 105 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 27, 2007 It has been 1060 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." :: On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:54:25 -0500, "Roger Zoul" :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] :: :: I guess I should have said, "be specific." I was specific in another thread. >:: On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:54:25 -0500, "Roger Zoul" >:: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >I was specific in another thread. And what is that thread called just in case someone reading this missed it and would like to have more info or low carbing? :: On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:06:10 -0500, "Roger Zoul" :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] :: And what is that thread called just in case someone reading this :: missed it and would like to have more info or low carbing? "I must confess" - March 26, 8AM. You even responded to the post....mentioned something about gas, as I recall. >:: On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 20:06:10 -0500, "Roger Zoul" >:: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >You even responded to the post....mentioned something about gas, as I >recall. As stated Roger, I wanted you to direct people to is since newbies and newcomers would be much more likely to look here than they would in some thread that doesn't have any reference to low carbing in its subject line. > 1. What exactly do you call low carb? If we choose to arbitrarily base my categories on a 2000 kcal diet, and call a gram of carb an even 4.0 kcal, it works out rather neatly. kcal/day: 2000 % kcals g CHO from CHO -------- ------------- Very Low Carb <50g <10% Low Carb 50-100g 10-20% Lower Carb 100-150 20-30% Moderate Carb 150-200 30-40% Pyramid 200-300 40-60% > 2. What do you eat? Currently I eat about 100g CHO/day, 10 at brekky, 20 at lunch, 30 at dinner, and the other 40 spread out. Last time I looked, my diet was 15% carb, 40% protein, 45% fat (by calories). > 3. What foods do you avoid? I avoid pasta, bread, rice, potatoes, etc. I try to substitute LC veggies, and Omega-3 fats for Omega-6 fats. > 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? Very easy, although I felt lousy on day 2-5. > 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? Why are you asking? >> 1. What exactly do you call low carb? >If we choose to arbitrarily base my categories on a 2000 kcal diet, and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >dinner, and the other 40 spread out. Last time I looked, my diet was 15% >carb, 40% protein, 45% fat (by calories). Once again I should have asked for specifics. >Why are you asking? Healthy curiosity since I really do not know what LC people eat and what they avoid. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 25, 2006 is 2,323. Americans wounded = more than 16,774 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 105 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 27, 2007 It has been 1060 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." ::: Why are you asking? :: :: Healthy curiosity since I really do not know what LC people eat and :: what they avoid. AFAIK, all people are LC. > ::: Why are you asking? > :: > :: Healthy curiosity since I really do not know what LC people eat and > :: what they avoid. > > AFAIK, all people are LC. Soylent Green is people.... Priscilla > Soylent Green is people.... > > Priscilla Only after processing Priscilla.... :-) Will, T2 1. What exactly do you call low carb? The amount of carb I can personally eat at one meal or snack that doesn't raise my bg more a blip. 2. What do you eat? I eat lots of low carb/low starch vegetables (both cooked and raw). I eat just the recommended amount of protein per day. I eat some fruits in moderation - mostly fruits like berries, apples, pears and oranges and summer fruits (rockmelon, nectarines, peaches, cherries etc). I am careful with fruit, never huge servings. I eat non fat yoghurt, occasional low fat milk. I have a moderate amount of fats from sources like walnuts, olives, olive oil, avocados and cholesterol lowering margarine. I have minimal amount of low carb bread and rye crackers per day. Some legumes in moderation. 3. What foods do you avoid? Starches, they raise my bg's fast and make me fart. Lots of high sugar fruits like grapes, bananas. Animal fats. Prepared foods like cakes, pies. Sugar. Fruit juices. Dried fruits except dried apricots. Milk. 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? Not at all. It felt right, right from the start. 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? Learn about proper nutrition and first and foremost devise a way of eating that includes all the things necessary for gaining and maintaining good health. Search for lower carb food items that offer the same nutrition. Read Quentin's posts regarding nutrition from certain foods. Keep away from packaged and canned foods which usually contain more fats, carbs and sodium than we need, not to mention 500 other ingredients in those kinds of foods that just aren't necessary. Keep it simple. >2. What do you eat? >rockmelon, What do we Yanks call that? I have never heard of it. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 25, 2006 is 2,323. Americans wounded = more than 16,774 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 105 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 27, 2007 It has been 1060 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >>2. What do you eat? > >>rockmelon, > > What do we Yanks call that? I have never heard of it. Otherwise known as a cantaloupe. Regards David SignatureTo email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. >>>2. What do you eat? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >David Except in NSW - I grew up eating rockmelon, and changed to cantelope in Victoria:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>>2. What do you eat? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >David Oh. Okay. Also known as muskmelon, btw. "Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in > Oh. Okay. Also known as muskmelon, btw. I bought a huge one last week, easy the size of a soccer ball. A few days later I found two completely empty half shells in the fridge and a spoon! I never got a look in and no one is owning up to it. >"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >shells in the fridge and a spoon! I never got a look in and >no one is owning up to it. Must have a fruit bat hiding out in your fridge somewhere. >>"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Must have a fruit bat hiding out in your fridge somewhere. Entirely possible 'round here. Flying Fox country. Those fruit bats are enormous - wingspans well over a metre (40"). Groups wander overhead at dusk. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>>"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Groups wander overhead at dusk. Wouldn't need a spoon, though, with those big hooks on the end of their wings : ) Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >>>"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg Do they make good pets? >>>>"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Do they make good pets? I doubt it. You're welcome to come on over and be the first to try to tame one:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>>>>"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg I wonder if Steve Irwin has done a show on them. I'm sure to him they are just adorable. You know just like those poisonous snakes and salties that he's always playing with. My mom was from Sioux City, she and all her relatives called it muskmelon, never heard it called that in CA though. :-) -- Cheri Grandpa Chuck > wrote in message <69dh22d3rpsivocs95ei03qpnh78j3gqsg@4ax.com>... >>> What do we Yanks call that? I have never heard of it. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Oh. Okay. Also known as muskmelon, btw. >My mom was from Sioux City, she and all her relatives called it >muskmelon, never heard it called that in CA though. :-) And Muscatine Melons are by far the best when they are in season. They are the large muskmelons that appear to be divided in sections on the skin. Quite often they are two to three times as large as what is normally sold in the supermarkets. : >My mom was from Sioux City, she and all her relatives called it : >muskmelon, never heard it called that in CA though. :-) : And Muscatine Melons are by far the best when they are in season. They : are the large muskmelons that appear to be divided in sections on the : skin. Quite often they are two to three times as large as what is : normally sold in the supermarkets. For the best try the Schoharie melons that we get in upstate NY. They sound similar to the avobe mentioned ones and are local and dripping with sweet flavor adn a modest sering doesn't spike me:-) Wendy >>> 2. What do you eat? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > David Oh, my! You mean that cantaloupe is one of the fruits I might be able to eat again? It's one of my favorites. I just discovered that I can apparently eat berries without causing a spike. If I knew I could eat a slice of cantaloupe for breakfast again once in a while, I'd be ecstatic! Jeanie >>>> 2. What do you eat? >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Jeanie I can't eat it for breakfast, but occasionally I will have a slice as a mid-afternoon snack, or as dessert an hour or so after dinner if my 1hrpp is good. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Oh, my! You mean that cantaloupe is one of the fruits I might be able >>to eat again? It's one of my favorites. I just discovered that I can [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > d&e, metformin 2x500mg Well, still, that would be quite a treat for me. I'll give it a try. Jeanie >> I can't eat it for breakfast, but occasionally I will have a >> slice as a mid-afternoon snack, or as dessert an hour or so [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Jeanie Bon appetit:-) I'll just repeat that final phrase: "if my 1hrpp is good" Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > 1. What exactly do you call low carb? No more than 100g per day. Usually 1 carb choice for breakfast, 2 for lunch (1 of which is fruit), 2 or less for dinner and 1 as skim milk for night snack. > 2. What do you eat? No white stuff except for an occasional bit of red-skin potatoes that are carefully measured. Whole grain starches with high fiber content like quinoa or Dreamfields pasta. Nosh on sunflower seeds or measured baby carrots or celery sticks with a bit of hummos as a dip. Sugar-free Jello > 3. What foods do you avoid? white rice. Popcorn. White bread. The usual high-fat baked stuff > 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? Made deal with wife. If he kept to the carb-counting regimine, she would quit smoking. Been 4 years. He lost 30 pounds. She's off the weed. If either one strays the other has promised to give up the healthy path. We keep each other in check. Neither one relishes life with out the other so we do what we can to live. > 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? Have just gone from orals onto insulin. Was rough but numbers are now great. Have been approved for a pump. Now struggling with hunger pangs from the insulin but wife is watching <g> Barry Wilder (T2 25 years, cardiac patient, CHF) answered through wife, lover & caregiver, Janet Wilder > 1. What exactly do you call low carb? Anyone who doesn't eat the way I do! But seriously, usually anything under 100g per day. > 2. What do you eat? It varies from day to day and being a Type 1 I think I have more flexibility than a Type 2. However, it's a delicate balance for all of us. If you mean what kinds of foods do I eat: Lots of brown rice and other whole grains, veggies of all walks of life - both starchy and non starchy, fish and more fish, some dairy, eggs. The list goes on and on, but to the average person they might call me a health nut because of the kinds of foods I eat. > 3. What foods do you avoid? Processed foods, fast foods, red meat, commercial "diet" products like diet sodas, fatty foods. Anything with artificial ingredients like artificial sweeteners. > 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? No, because I don't eat low carb, at least what most here might call it. > 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? I am always happy to read success stories and a.s.d. is full of them. We reprsent a very small percentage of people with diabetes and I wish we were the majority. Sadly, most people would never be able to stick to a woe like the people in here do. > Thanks friends. Thanks for asking. Kurt I'm not really sure I completely agree with that Kurt. First they would have to have valid information, and speaking only for myself, the medical community did not do it for me. From the initial doctor (who only said "lay off concentrated sweets" to the dietitian who gave me a carb laden diet) If I hadn't got a computer, and found these groups, and I had only followed the advice I was first given, I'd still be thinking I was doing the right thing, and probably dealing with complications. I think that happens to a lot of diabetics out there. I could be wrong. -- Cheri Kurt wrote in message >I am always happy to read success stories and a.s.d. is full of them. >We reprsent a very small percentage of people with diabetes and I wish [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Kurt > I'm not really sure I completely agree with that Kurt. First they would > have to have valid information, and speaking only for myself, the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I was doing the right thing, and probably dealing with complications. I > think that happens to a lot of diabetics out there. I could be wrong. I don't think this is a right or wrong thing. Mine was just an opinion and maybe with exposure to an endo or more specific diabetes info a greater number of people could have improvement. I based my statement on the pretty well known fact that most diets for most people fail, or they fail them. There will always be people like you and me and others here who are more motivated than the masses. However I see your point. Best, Kurt > -- > Cheri [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > >Kurt > I'm not really sure I completely agree with that Kurt. First they would > have to have valid information, and speaking only for myself, the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I was doing the right thing, and probably dealing with complications. I > think that happens to a lot of diabetics out there. I could be wrong. I think you're exactly right. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg 1. What exactly do you call low carb? When diagnosed I counted carbs, now I've progressed, I tend to think more loosely and in the equivalent to slices of bread. (no idea why) Breakfast half slice, Lunch.. 1 slice.. Dinner 2 slices. Snacks.. half slice. 2. What do you eat? Never a breakfast person. I drink a home made protein drink, (made with lactose free milk) Lunch is either home made veggie soup or 2 Ryvita topped heavily with fish or cheese or chicken breast and salad. Dinner is the same as the rest of the family, but heavier on the veg and much smaller portions on the carbs.. My treats are mostly nuts or yoghurt or a square of dark chocolate. 2 glasses wine per day. 3. What foods do you avoid? White foods, trans fats, pastry, puddings, fast food, processed food, additives, sweeties, crisps, sugar, fruit juices, bananas, liquor's and dry fruits. 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? I had trouble remembering to eat regularly because before diagnosis I lived mainly on very strong black coffee with sugar. 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? I miss the freedom of taking my health and choices for granted and wish I had heard of Diabetes 20 years ago, so I wouldn't have to be one today. sue type2 A1c 5.6/5.8 Metformin1g > 1. What exactly do you call low carb? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thanks friends. > 1. What exactly do you call low carb? I think less than 50g per day. > 2. What do you eat? I try to stay under 5g of carbs per meal, 25 per day. I eat protein which treats me well: pork, beef, chicken, etc. Sometimes a meal out must be endured and I get 15-20 carbs in one shot which will jump my points 20 - 25. I got to be low to go! > 3. What foods do you avoid? snack foods. I will allow for a few chips every few days or a couple m&m's (only 2-3). I avoid sugar, any carbs I can avoid, white flour everything, tasty foods that I used to love. I avoid sugared soda, like the plague. No fruit juice either. Fries are avoided. Any potatoe larger than a golf ball. > 4. Was the transition to a low carb lifestyle a difficult one? Nope, easy as pie (LOL). I do not want to stab myself with a needle. If I eat carbs, I have to stab myself. If I do not eat carbs, I stay needle free. It is a simple choice with my meter being the judge. For me, it is no choice... bye bye carbs, at least for now. > 5. What other pertinent information would you like to share with us? The hardest thing about low carbs is eating out. At home I can stay inder 10 carbs at a meal easily. Going out it is hard to stay under 25 per meal without insulting your guest or host. You can't always avoid these situations. If it a place with a nutritional guide on-line you can study before you go. I can't shake the feeling that going out to eat is like putting a gun with a single bullet in it right up to your head and pulling the trigger. Carbs will get you sooner or later. > Thanks friends. >Going out it is hard to stay under 25 per meal >without insulting your guest or host. I don't find that hard at all. My limit is higher than that for dinner - but not much. I've never had a host seem insulted if I left the spuds on the plate, only nibbled the edge of the garlic bread and the same for the dessert. I don't proclaim my diabetes - but the few people I dine with know of it. Any friend who pushes food at me that I have politely advised is unsuitable is not likely to remain my friend terribly long; but I haven't needed to test that theory because none have. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Going out it is hard to stay under 25 per meal >>without insulting your guest or host. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > d&e, metformin 2x500mg With people I know it is no problem. It is with business people who don't know. I can always skip dessert, I usually don't eat it anyway. But when they order appetizers and pass them around and none of them works for me it is awkward. I cliam that I am watching my weight and that helps. I was at a korean place with customers. I ordered the beef without the marinade. Then, the lady gets you started cooking it in the middle of the table... she puts in the beef and then dumps the marinade all over everyones beef. Bummer, what can you do? I pick at that and try to get away un-noticed. If you order it without you would think the server wouldn't mix things but it just happens. My best bet is to eat almost no lunch and hope that my meds drive don the BGs enough to withstand the restaurant thing. I am usually successful but it requires a lot of planning, sacrifice, and work. I would rather eat at home, it is just easier right now. -Sax >>>Going out it is hard to stay under 25 per meal >>>without insulting your guest or host. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >they order appetizers and pass them around and none of them works for me it >is awkward. I cliam that I am watching my weight and that helps. I understand. However, "watching your weight" can actually cause bigger problems if the person offering it is a little rotund - it can be taken to mean that so should they, and you just delivered an implied insult. If a polite "no thank you" doesn't work (it should) then I'd claim an allergy to the product. I'm allergic to anything that spikes me:-) >I was at a korean place with customers. I ordered the beef without the >marinade. Then, the lady gets you started cooking it in the middle of the >table... she puts in the beef and then dumps the marinade all over everyones >beef. Bummer, what can you do? I've actually been in a similar situation. I surreptitiously scraped off the sauce (in my case) and only ate half the meat. In fact - I usually only eat half the meat in a restaurant. > I pick at that and try to get away >un-noticed. If you order it without you would think the server wouldn't mix [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >it requires a lot of planning, sacrifice, and work. I would rather eat at >home, it is just easier right now. Try keeping something at work in the desk which won't spoil as a post-lunch snack. Jerky, nuts, something like that. Then you can go without as necessary at lunch and still eat enough not to cause fasting or liver dump problems. If it's not a business lunch - just pre-prepare your own. >-Sax Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>>>Going out it is hard to stay under 25 per meal >>>>without insulting your guest or host. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > you" doesn't work (it should) then I'd claim an allergy to > the product. I'm allergic to anything that spikes me:-) I find this interesting. I have a more blunt approach I suppose, I simply say that I don't eat certain things and if asked why, say that I am diabetic. End of problem, few will persevere from that point. I don't really understand why so many are adverse to acknowledging (publicly) that they are diabetic. It solves many potential problems, you do not offend anyone, you do not, by implication, insult anyone. When dining in restaurants it gets *serious* attention whereas simply asking not to be served something without specifying why often results in your request being acknowledged but ignored. They don't want to be sued, and knowing *why* you don't want something makes a difference to their perception of liability. There are advantages to letting people know that you are diabetic. I have had a bill waived several times after inquiring as to the sugar content of a sauce, being assured that it was sugar free, then testing the sauce (with my meter, ala Bernstein) and showing the sauce to contain sugar. They freak when you pull out your meter, dip the test strip in the sauce and proclaim that it contains sugar after they had assured me that it didn't. The management is most apologetic; the least I get is better service. It lets me take my own snack food into movie theatres that forbid the practice, and gets me more attention from the wait staff in restaurants and bars. If I *wasn't* diabetic, there would advantages in claiming that I was. <g> Regards David >>I was at a korean place with customers. I ordered the beef without the >>marinade. Then, the lady gets you started cooking it in the middle of the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureTo email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. >I find this interesting. > >I have a more blunt approach I suppose, I simply say that I don't eat >certain things and if asked why, say that I am diabetic. End of problem, >few will persevere from that point. I completely agree. However, I was presuming that for some business reason this was difficult for saxology. I have been in situations (which I described) only a couple of times where such a statement would have been quite inappropriate. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. :: Alan S wrote: ::: On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:55:50 GMT, "Saxology" [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] :: restaurants and bars. If I *wasn't* diabetic, there would advantages :: in claiming that I was. <g> Additional uses of ones meter. Not bad. :) : There are advantages to letting people know that you are diabetic. I : have had a bill waived several times after inquiring as to the sugar [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : assured me that it didn't. The management is most apologetic; the least : I get is better service. Test strips do not measure sugar in food or drink items. Sad you find the need to lie. There are glucose strips (urine strips) that do test if a drink has sugar in it. Doubtful if it would food. : It lets me take my own snack food into movie theatres that forbid the : practice, and gets me more attention from the wait staff in restaurants : and bars. If I *wasn't* diabetic, there would advantages in claiming : that I was. <g> That's already the ADA Law, you didn't do anything special. Lying must be a customary practice for you? Stating you're diabetic when you aren't to get special privileges is abuse of the law that is very pathetic. : Regards : : David Urbana Lurker extraordinaire > : There are advantages to letting people know that you are diabetic. I > : have had a bill waived several times after inquiring as to the sugar [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > need to lie. There are glucose strips (urine strips) that do test if a drink > has sugar in it. Doubtful if it would food. Meter test strips don't do that, I don't thin, but there are glucose testers that do. A lot of folks use them to test out soda in restaurants to make sure it's diet. Susan : x-no-archive: yes : [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] : : Susan Are you replying to me or the other poster? Because you said the exact same thing I did. Urbana Lurker Extraordinaire > Are you replying to me or the other poster? Because you said the exact > same thing I did. Oops, I missed where you said it did test drinks. I think I was distracted by all the namecalling you did. What makes you think it won't detect glucose in foods? I've actually never looked this up, have you? Susan >> : There are advantages to letting people know that you are diabetic. I >> : have had a bill waived several times after inquiring as to the sugar [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> need to lie. There are glucose strips (urine strips) that do test if a drink >> has sugar in it. Doubtful if it would food. > Meter test strips don't do that, I don't thin, but there are glucose > testers that do. A lot of folks use them to test out soda in > restaurants to make sure it's diet. Meter test strips must also measure sugar in food and drink items, because if they didn't you wouldn't get spurious large readings when pricking your finger when it has some residue of chocolate or fruit juice on it, for example. The meaning of the numbers and whether it responds equally to different sugars is another question, but I do strongly suspect that if it thinks there's sugar in a sauce than there will be. This would only not be the case if there is something non-sugary found in foods and drinks which cause a spurious sugar response in the meter test strip. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >>Meter test strips don't do that, I don't thin, but there are glucose >>testers that do. A lot of folks use them to test out soda in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > non-sugary found in foods and drinks which cause a spurious sugar > response in the meter test strip. I see what you're saying, but I was thinking of the strips you dunk directly into food/drink, not attached to a meter. I don't know what happens if blood isn't part of the medium. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Susan On reading David's post and these replies I just had to try to find out:-) I have two meters, an old Accu-chek Active, where you apply the sample to the reactant pad, and a newer Accu-chek Go, which is the "sipper" style. Both are the optical reading type. I tested water, milk, and black coffee. i don't have any sugared soda or juice in the house. On the Active - the water gave an error (E-9) and the meter didn't react at all to water or coffee. It timed out waiting to recognise that a sample was on the test strip. However, on the "Go", the results were more interesting. It also timed out for water; but for milk it read "Hi" and for the black coffee it read "Lo". Which is in line with the sugar content of both. Interesting. BTW, urbana, David is a fully-paid-up member of our club. He just used a different method to gain membership - prednisone. And I happen to know that he also uses a "Go". Feel free to continue lurking. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > >x-no-archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Feel free to continue lurking. I check drinks on my Active meter. Real coke is interesting :) <snip>> > Meter test strips don't do that, I don't thin, but there are glucose > testers that do. A lot of folks use them to test out soda in restaurants > to make sure it's diet. > > Susan Do you know of the brand of meter that does this? I would love to be able to check soda and salad dressings, among other things. I have lost my hatred of diet soda.... when my BG's got under control my sense of diet soda's after taste and poor taste went away. now, I have a hard time telling if it is diet soda or not. I wonder quite a bit actually. -Sax > Do you know of the brand of meter that does this? I would love to be able > to check soda and salad dressings, among other things. It's not a meter, it's a stick, like a Ketostix, made for dipping in urine. You can buy them at a pharmacy, I believe. I have lost my > hatred of diet soda.... when my BG's got under control my sense of diet > soda's after taste and poor taste went away. now, I have a hard time > telling if it is diet soda or not. I wonder quite a bit actually. I've found that they taste too sweet to me, so I drink citrus flavored seltzer. Susan > I would love to be able to check soda and salad dressings, among other > things. I have lost my hatred of diet soda.... when my BG's got under > control my sense of diet soda's after taste and poor taste went away. > now, I have a hard time telling if it is diet soda or not. I wonder quite > a bit actually. > -Sax You can buy Diastix -- urine glucose test strips -- at the drugstore. No Rx needed. They come in little jars of 50 or 100. Much cheaper than blood-test strips. They will work on sodapop in the |
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