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Fast before an A1C test??

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Larry from N.J. - 26 Mar 2006 00:50 GMT
Hi Group
I'm a Type 1 and have had many Lab A1C tests done, but always drawn when I
had Lipid panels and Fast BG tests.etc.
Now my Doc in 3 months just wants a Single A1C done only and I hear Pro's
and Con's if I should fast. (I know, I should have asked before I left
office) but, got caught up on getting my Rx's filled.
How does the group feel about this issue??

Thanks
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Larry from NJ
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Susan - 26 Mar 2006 01:00 GMT
> Hi Group
> I'm a Type 1 and have had many Lab A1C tests done, but always drawn when I
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> office) but, got caught up on getting my Rx's filled.
> How does the group feel about this issue??

Fasting is not required for an HbA1c.

scroll down here:

http://www.hopkinsafter50.com/html/silos/diabetes/diaLIB_JHMT_Glucose.php

Susan
David - 26 Mar 2006 01:01 GMT
> Hi Group
> I'm a Type 1 and have had many Lab A1C tests done, but always drawn when I
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>
> Thanks

What do you mean how does the group feel about "this issue"?  What are
the instructions on the lab form?  If it says to fast, then don't eat
after midnight.  You don't need to fast for an A1c, if that's all you
are having done.  What exactly are you getting at, Larry?

Dave
Larry from N.J. - 26 Mar 2006 01:17 GMT
Hi Dave
There is no instructions on my RX form.
I went to a site and the Dr claimed if your sugar is very high or very low
at time of the A1C test, it could affect the outcome.
I am just trying to find out more, or I'll just call my Doc on Monday. No
big deal, but it would be nice to wal;k in in the afternoon at Lab and not
have to wait like I always did first thing in AM
Again, just looking for input  Thanks
David - 26 Mar 2006 01:30 GMT
> Hi Dave
> There is no instructions on my RX form.
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> have to wait like I always did first thing in AM
> Again, just looking for input  Thanks

Don't worry about if you are high or not.  Your A1c is not something you
are trying to "cheat" on, anyway. LOL.  The A1c tests your control over
approximately 3 months.

Seriously, if it doesn't say fast, then don't bother.  And remember, IF
YOU DO FAST, YOU CAN DRINK WATER!  Only for surgery, do you skip
drinking water.

Dave
Susan - 26 Mar 2006 01:33 GMT
> Hi Dave
> There is no instructions on my RX form.
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> have to wait like I always did first thing in AM
> Again, just looking for input  Thanks

The link I posted gives information to that effect; certain meds, very
high or low bg can have an effect.  Is there any reason to believe that
you can't keep your bg in range for the test?

Susan
Priscilla Ballou - 26 Mar 2006 01:37 GMT
> Hi Dave
> There is no instructions on my RX form.
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> have to wait like I always did first thing in AM
> Again, just looking for input  Thanks

You do not need to fast before an A1c.  

Priscilla
Larry from N.J. - 26 Mar 2006 01:42 GMT
Thanks Group

Looks like No fasting is the one!!

Thanks   Larry
Loretta Eisenberg - 26 Mar 2006 19:19 GMT
Ill follow the leader and sayyou dont have to fast before an a1c if that
is all that is being tested.

Loretta

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W.M.McKee - 26 Mar 2006 01:17 GMT
>What do you mean how does the group feel about "this issue"?  What are
>the instructions on the lab form?  If it says to fast, then don't eat
>after midnight.  You don't need to fast for an A1c, if that's all you
>are having done.  What exactly are you getting at, Larry?
>
>Dave

Hi Dave and Susan,

I think that what is going on is that most doctors have people report
early in the morning, so that they can get a fasting blood glucose. As
long as they are sending samples to the lab, they order all those
other tests we request, like the a1c... I think Susan may be actually
right about the non-necessity of needing to fast before a sample for
the a1c, if that is all that is being tested,  because Hba1c gives a
measure of glycolization of the red blood cells, which would not
depend upon fasting, or not fasting.... Since the average replacement
time for rbc is understood to be approximately 90 days, they use that
as a measure of BG control for the preceeding 3 months.

Just some observations from the neighborhood potted plant...:-)

Will, T2
David - 26 Mar 2006 01:24 GMT
>>What do you mean how does the group feel about "this issue"?  What are
>>the instructions on the lab form?  If it says to fast, then don't eat
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>
> Will, T2
Here's how my testing goes, Will. Once a year I get some fasting tests;
the rest of the time the A1c and whatever else he has me tested for
don't require fasting.  Rather than analyze it, I just look at the form
to see if "Fasting" is checked.  I expect him to know when he needs to
mark the form "fasting".  I don't give it any more thought than that.

dave
David - 26 Mar 2006 01:27 GMT
> Will, T2
Hey Will, did you ever put someone way that was infamous? (come to think
of it, all criminals are infamous in their own way, I suppose).

Dave
W.M.McKee - 26 Mar 2006 03:12 GMT
>> Will, T2
>Hey Will, did you ever put someone way that was infamous? (come to think
>of it, all criminals are infamous in their own way, I suppose).
>
>Dave

Not really, Dave... There were those who did really, really did
deserve what they got...but because of concerns about reprisal, I
would rather not get into it. I am sure you must understand.

Will, T2
David - 26 Mar 2006 03:09 GMT
>>>Will, T2
>>
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>
> Will, T2
Don't like wearing a bullet proof vest 24/7? :)

Dave
W.M.McKee - 26 Mar 2006 03:39 GMT
>> Not really, Dave... There were those who did really, really did
>> deserve what they got...but because of concerns about reprisal, I
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>
>Dave

I'm sorry Dave. I really cannot comment upon my personal security
measures.... You can sleep safely at night, though, because there are
those who risk their lives daily for our freedoms.

Someone I knew died just this past week, while protecting us all. He
was a truly wonderful man.... That has absolutely nothing to do with
the war, I might add...... He was simply a detective for the
Department of Homeland Security, working in the  Department of U.S.
Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)...

Will, T2
David - 26 Mar 2006 05:32 GMT
>>>Not really, Dave... There were those who did really, really did
>>>deserve what they got...but because of concerns about reprisal, I
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> measures.... You can sleep safely at night, though, because there are
> those who risk their lives daily for our freedoms.

> Will, T2
I take it you are armed.

dave
bantista - 29 Mar 2006 05:28 GMT
>>> Not really, Dave... There were those who did really, really did
>>> deserve what they got...but because of concerns about reprisal, I
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>
> Will, T2

My Dear Will,

I just now saw your post, and I am so sorry to hear of the loss of this fine
man.

I know you feel an empty place in the world that used to be filled by that
great public servant and generous human being. I believe we all feel the
loss in the world of our lives when we lose someone because the special
uniqueness of each of us adds our particular and special something to the
fabric of all our lives. I am so sorry this has happened. I know how hard
these things kick us in the gut and just wear at our strength, and I believe
it hits us all. I very much hope you can remember and appreciate this man's
fine life and carry the memory of his service to the community and to his
family and friends forward with you and allow it to enrich and inform your
own experience as appropriate in future.

I am so sorry for our loss, my friend, and I hope his family and friends and
coworkers are able take the good and inspiring memories of his life forward
and use them to enrich the future of all our lives.

Best regards,
rudy
bantista@thuntek.net
T2, last A1c 5.9, current bg  126
W.M.McKee - 29 Mar 2006 09:43 GMT
>> Will, T2
>
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>bantista@thuntek.net
>T2, last A1c 5.9, current bg  126

Thanks, Rudy

While I was on very good terms with the gentleman who died in the line
of duty, so to say, I was not extremely close to him. He was a very
fine man.  He left a sixteen year old daughter and a wonderful wife,
though, who are certainly going through a real berevement right now.

Will, T2
bj - 26 Mar 2006 01:48 GMT
> What do you mean how does the group feel about "this issue"?  What are the
> instructions on the lab form?  If it says to fast, then don't eat after
> midnight.  You don't need to fast for an A1c, if that's all you are having
> done.  What exactly are you getting at, Larry?

"don't eat after midnight" is also a blanket instruction that may be quite
off the mark. You're probably assuming that the test is in the 7-10 a.m.
time frame, which may not be the case at all.

When I was told "no food or drink after midnight" before surgery, I knew
that was a "canned instruction". I then proceeded to have a thorough
discussion with the nurse about things -- in particular, that I didn't think
that 15 or more hours without at least water, in the middle of a July
heatwave, was such a good idea. She saw my point & we agreed that my
"midnight" would be about 6am.
bj
David - 26 Mar 2006 01:57 GMT
>>What do you mean how does the group feel about "this issue"?  What are the
>>instructions on the lab form?  If it says to fast, then don't eat after
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> "midnight" would be about 6am.
> bj

Agreed. one should always get clarification on pre surgery instructions.

dave
David - 26 Mar 2006 02:01 GMT
>>What do you mean how does the group feel about "this issue"?  What are the
>>instructions on the lab form?  If it says to fast, then don't eat after
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> "midnight" would be about 6am.
> bj

That reminds me of how difficult it was for the staff to start an IV on
me, due to dehydration, before some minor surgery.  After much poking
and prodding, the third person got the IV started.  Had I not gone
without water so long, my veins would have been easy to start an IV in.

dave
Alan S - 26 Mar 2006 09:12 GMT
>Hi Group
>I'm a Type 1 and have had many Lab A1C tests done, but always drawn when I
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>
>Thanks

Officially, you don't need to fast. However, in your
position, if all your previous A1c's were fasting I'd
probably fast to be sure there is an accurate comparison.
But that would be me being over-careful, not a medical
requirement.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Julie Bove - 26 Mar 2006 09:34 GMT
> Hi Group
> I'm a Type 1 and have had many Lab A1C tests done, but always drawn when I
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> office) but, got caught up on getting my Rx's filled.
> How does the group feel about this issue??

No need to fast for that!

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Larry from N.J. - 26 Mar 2006 12:53 GMT
Thanks 'Again" Group. Learn something everyday

Larry from NJ
MaryL - 26 Mar 2006 16:10 GMT
> Hi Group
> I'm a Type 1 and have had many Lab A1C tests done, but always drawn when I
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>
> Thanks

I would call the lab or doctor's office and ask...no sense guessing for
something like this.  On the other hand, I can tell you that I occasionally
use one of the home A1c kits (*in addition* to having it done on
prescription), and they do not require fasting.

MaryL
 
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