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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2006My hunger signals are all screwed up
I figured I'd ask you guys what your experience with this is. For those who haven't seen me before here's an intro. If you remember me skip this: female, overweight, age 41, not yet T2, reactive hypoglycemic, insulin resistant as hell. Anyway, my hunger signals are all screwed up, in the following ways: Sometimes I'll get dizzy and shaky with no hunger from my stomach, check the BG and it's on the lowish side. Sometimes I'll get stomach-hungry with no shakes or dizziness, check the BG and it's on the highish (for me, I know that's nothing to what you guys deal with) side. And sometimes it's completely the reverse :P . If I'm hungry and chew sugarless gum, it will often turn the hunger off. If I'm not hungry and chew sugarless gum, it will make me hungry. If I'm feeling shaky but with no stomach hunger and eat a snack, the "missing" hunger will show up about 5-10 minutes after I eat and last for up to half an hour. This also sometimes happens if I have the stomach hunger but no shakes, too. The hunger goes away, comes back, then goes away again. Drinking water doesn't seem to do anything to turn off the stomach hunger, when it shows up (I was wondering if it was a stomach fullness thing). I always thought that blood sugar and hunger were supposed to be related, but for me it seems that they're not. Does anyone know how this mess is supposed to work? :lol: And have you guys experience weirdness like this as part of your dealing with your bg issues? It just seems completely bizarre. LQ > I figured I'd ask you guys what your experience with this is. > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > LQ Here's how it works for me. If I get severely low (under 50), I want to eat EVERYTHING in sight (which if I succumb, will put in the high 200's in nothing flat). If I'm very high (over 250), I crave sweets. When my bg's are between 60 and 230, I'm not craving much, nor too hungry, even before a meal. Once I start eating a good meal, I have a healthy appetite w/o having being famished to begin with. Before my diagnosis, I was always EXTREMELY hungry to the point of misery. I'd eat huge lunches and still be hungry after downing a triple burger, fries and milkshake. I can only imagine how how my bg's must have been from all those carbs and fat, but it took a few years for the diagnosis to come in. Dave That's interesting that you crave sweets when high like that. The "way low, eat NOW" thing makes sense but you'd think the body would turn off the carb cravings to protect itself when high. I'm finding that not a lot about bodies seems to make sense anymore :lol:. In recent years I've always been hungrier after eating a carbohydrate meal than I was before. If I ate enough protein or fat with it I'd usually be sated but in the case of, say, spaghetti, I'd be jonesing for more food less than an hour after eating it. Don't know how it would work now, no more spaghetti for me for awhile (if ever). LQ > That's interesting that you crave sweets when high like that. The "way > low, eat NOW" thing makes sense but you'd think the body would turn off > the carb cravings to protect itself when high. > > I'm finding that not a lot about bodies seems to make sense anymore > :lol:. > LQ Yeah, you'd think Mother Nature would do better, but then why give us DM? :) When I was undiagnosed and running super high bg's my sweet tooth was running overtime! If I keep level bg's AND avoid any sweet things, then I don't have any cravings for "goodies". (Not that we don't get a pizza about once a week--by "goodies" I mean sweets). I've got to really careful with spaghetti, which is what Mary (she posts here) said we are having tonight. Dave > That's interesting that you crave sweets when high like that. The "way > low, eat NOW" thing makes sense but you'd think the body would turn off [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Don't know how it would work now, no more spaghetti for me for awhile > (if ever). It's because in us T2s our insulin control mechanism is broken, so once our insulin gets going it overshoots, and we get too much. That makes us HUNGRY! Which is one reason why keeping our BG nice and steady -- and thus our insulin level nice and steady -- is the best thing for us. Priscilla >In recent years I've always been hungrier after eating a carbohydrate >meal than I was before. Hi LQ, The reason you become hungry so soon after eating a high carb is that you've spiked your insulin. High insulin=hungry. That's different from someone who has no insulin to speak of. They are chronically hungry because no sugar is making it into their cells. Michelle >>In recent years I've always been hungrier after eating a carbohydrate >>meal than I was before. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Michelle Based upon my reading, that makes sense, Michelle.... Will, T2 That makes sense, thanks. I must be running constant high insulin or am really easy to spike these days because a simple stick of gum can do it too, as do things like raw vegetables if I eat them alone and not with a protein + fat. Argh.... LQ, frequently ravenous but refusing to give in.....(25 lbs gone as of this AM). Congrats on the weight loss. That is great news. :-) -- Cheri LizardQueen wrote in message >LQ, frequently ravenous but refusing to give in.....(25 lbs gone as of >this AM). > That makes sense, thanks. > > I must be running constant high insulin or am really easy to spike > these days because a simple stick of gum can do it too, as do things > like raw vegetables if I eat them alone and not with a protein + fat. Yes, it sounds like your metabolism is responding to any kind of chewing with the big guns. > Argh.... > > LQ, frequently ravenous but refusing to give in.....(25 lbs gone as of > this AM). Cool beans! Susan I can pull my jeans off without undoing the button and zipper! I'm nearly down a full size. I'm so tall (5'10") and broad (I literally look like a heftier version of Xena Warrior Princess) that it's about 25-30 lbs per size for me. I started at a 20, will be in a 14 at my good weight (I lost it all once before on low-fat, only to gain it all back). And even when I lose it all I'll still be able to wear most of my shirts because of my bone structure. I have favorite shirts that I've nearly worn to see-through status because I liked them and they've fit at all my various weights :lol:. The stomach fat is coming off slower than the rest - it started out faster but it's coming off the butt right now and the stomach has stalled (which pisses me off because I know that's where losing it would do the most good for the IR). This is completely different than last time I lost weight (6 mos of torturous low-fat dieting that probably wasted half my muscle mass, as when I gained it back it came flying back on worse than ever). The last time was 10 years ago and it came off from the top down and the butt was the last to go. I think the changing hormones of femaleness have altered the fat deposition/reduction pattern and now I'm faced with the same pattern that the guys are. ::sigh:: LQ > I can pull my jeans off without undoing the button and zipper! > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > deposition/reduction pattern and now I'm faced with the same pattern > that the guys are. ::sigh:: It's not so much about femaleness as it is about insulin resistance; abdominal adiposity is directly related to insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia. Wow, that's a lot of lbs. between sizes! Susan >Wow, that's a lot of lbs. between sizes! I know, it's a lot different than for most people. I hear people say "I lost 10 lbs and can fit in my jeans again" and all I can do is shake my head, because 10 lbs on me means slightly looser clothing but that's about it. It's also kind of a bad thing, because when I gain I can put a lot of weight on before I have to go up a size, so by the time I need new clothes I've got a significant amount back on. Maybe I'm just dense :lol:. LQ > I have favorite shirts that I've > nearly worn to see-through status because I liked them and they've fit > at all my various weights :lol:. > LQ [evil grin] You know what they say about a picture being worth a thousand words... dave > You know what they say about a picture being worth a thousand words... Nah, I'm no internet exhibitionist. And even if I was at this point I'm still carrying enough weight that they'd make people barf :lol: . LQ >I can pull my jeans off without undoing the button and zipper! Way to go LQ! Do I need to watch TV1 and Xena to see the new you? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg  SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Do I need to watch TV1 and Xena to see the new you? I'm nowhere near there yet, but at my fighting weight her and I are built pretty much the same. I think she's like 5'11" and 170 or so, that's about where I look and feel good at, though I'm an inch shorter. And I have dark hair, blue eyes, and a broad face like her too. I've had friends tell the hostess in restaurants "look for the woman who looks like Xena" and they always catch me when I walk in the door :lol:. I'm looking forward to the day when it will be "Xena" and not "Fat Xena". LQ > The stomach fat is coming off slower than the rest - it started out > faster but it's coming off the butt right now and the stomach has > stalled (which pisses me off because I know that's where losing it > would do the most good for the IR). Pain in the neck, isn't it - but a very typical diabetic pattern. You're doing good, girl : ) Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg Forget about a correlation between hunger and blood sugar. There's no science in that and it will just get you into trouble. Only way to know your blood sugar by how you feel is if you have real symptoms of hypo or hyperglycemia. That's what meters are for! Good luck. Robert, type since 18 years ago. > Forget about a correlation between hunger and blood sugar. There's no > science in that and it will just get you into trouble. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Robert, type since 18 years ago. She already stated she checks her bg's. She expressed a curiosity about hunger and cravings being linked to bg's. Nowhere did I see that she expects either to predict her blood sugar and therefore won't test. Maybe you are better at reading between the lines than I am? Dave > Forget about a correlation between hunger and blood sugar. There's no > science in that and it will just get you into trouble. > > Only way to know your blood sugar by how you feel is if you have real > symptoms of hypo or hyperglycemia. I have never seen any co-relation (for me) between hunger and bg's. I can be starving at 8.0 and feel sated at 3.0. > > Forget about a correlation between hunger and blood sugar. > There's no [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I have never seen any co-relation (for me) between hunger > and bg's. I can be starving at 8.0 and feel sated at 3.0. I have had a similar problem for the last 2 weeks. We will eat dinner and then a dessert and 30 minutes to an hour later I am starving. I just ignore it and it will eventually go away. My other issue is I have been having trouble getting my BG down to a good level. I can't seem to get it below 115 and stay there. Also I will be below 120 when I eat and one hour later it is lower than that, but at the 2 hour mark it is extrememly high, over 150 and as high as 188. And that is has happened after eating 2 eggs scrambled, 1 1/2 slices of turkey bacon and 1 slice of low carb bread (9 carbs per slice). I do not know what is going on with me now days. SignatureSuzi A1c 6.4 T2 DX 10/2002 Glucophage 2 x 1000mg Lipitor 20mg (3 days a week), Enalapril 20mg 30 minutes walks 7 days a week >I have had a similar problem for the last 2 weeks. We will eat >dinner and then a dessert and 30 minutes to an hour later I am >starving. It might be the dessert that's making you hungry. Before I changed my diet I noticed that if I was sated after dinner but then had dessert I would immediately get hungry again, as if I hadn't eaten dinner at all. I figured that the dessert was spiking my insulin and clearing the bg out of my blood, leaving me hungry. But now I wonder, since the BG and the hunger signals don't seem to be correlated. As for your other issue, I dunno. Maybe when you are 120 before meals your liver is dumping and when you eat something enough insulin gets sent out to turn it off (resulting in a lower 1 hour number) but then when the food actually gets digested you go high at 2 hours? I've noticed that if I'm shaky and feeling bad and I eat my bg will drop about 20 pts in the first 10 minutes after eating, then go back up as it gets digested. I'm RH, not T2 so I generally don't have highs at 1 or 2 hours - mine peaks at 30 - 40 minutes then drops like stone, leaving me feeling crummy. LQ > >I have had a similar problem for the last 2 weeks. We will eat > >dinner and then a dessert and 30 minutes to an hour later I am [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I figured that the dessert was spiking my insulin and clearing the bg > out of my blood, leaving me hungry. It's likely not clearing out the BG. Just the excess insulin in the blood can make one ravenous. Priscilla > >I have had a similar problem for the last 2 weeks. We will eat > >dinner and then a dessert and 30 minutes to an hour later I am [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > LQ Well, it could be the dessert, but it does it after breakfast and after lunch as well. SignatureSuzi A1c 6.4 T2 DX 10/2002 Glucophage 2 x 1000mg Lipitor 20mg (3 days a week), Enalapril 20mg 30 minutes walks 7 days a week > Well, it could be the dessert, but it does it after breakfast and > after lunch as well. There is always the possibility that you are not eating enough carbs - talking about your inability to get numbers down. As an experiment try a tad more carbs and see what happens. I have a problem with a bit of dawn phenomenon. If I eat an all protein breakfast, DP doesn't "switch" off. Numbers keep going higher. If I eat more than 10 gr net carbs at breakfast they go up. If I keep somewhere between 5 and 10 gr net carb I am fine. At breakfast it is a very fine line for me. I can truthfully say that the higher I am, the hungrier I am, and nothing fills me up when my numbers are high. -- Cheri Ozgirl wrote in message ... >I have never seen any co-relation (for me) between hunger >and bg's. I can be starving at 8.0 and feel sated at 3.0. >I have never seen any co-relation (for me) between hunger >and bg's. I can be starving at 8.0 and feel sated at 3.0. Same. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > I figured I'd ask you guys what your experience with this is. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > dealing with your bg issues? > It just seems completely bizarre. High or low BG can cause hunger. I generally have no hunger any more, ever. I don't have many lows any more but I did have one the other day and was so hungry my daughter had to tell me to stop eating like a pig. This was at dinner time. Other than that, I haven't felt hungry for months. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm Well, I'm going to risk sounding like a Byetta shill again. Pre Byetta, I was hungry all the time. After dinner I would have desert and then keep eating until I went to bed. My appetite/desire for food was insatiable, plus, I liked the drowsy feeling I get when my BS is high. I too noticed no relation between my BS and my desire to eat or hunger. It was very aggravating to feel "stomach hunger"/intense desire to stuff myself and have a BS over 200. Since Byetta, my hunger and low signals seem to have normalized. I have what I consider "normal" hunger now - not an intense NEED to eat immediately. I feel full much faster. When I feel low, I AM low, and a tiny snack will fill me up and raise my BS (10 raisins and 8 cashews for example). I feel hungry at regular times now -3 hrs or so after a small meal (6 small meals/day works best for me). I do notice that if I have eaten too many / wrong type of carbs the evening before, my craving for food and sense of being hungry are both more acute the next day. It's as if my reduced food/carb intake is self regulating, and the cravings come back if I don't eat the proper type & amount of carb/protein/fat. Barbara |
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