Hi Guy,

I was very upset by the treatment you received on the Atkins thread.

My understanding is that you were saying that we just don't know enough
about this disease.  A simple fact, which I agree with completely.

Many people here do contribute great ideas, things to experiment with,
and ideas to consider.  However, bottom line is that there is much more
that we don't know than we do know.

I'm all for people being vocal about what they believe to be true, and
also all for people who want to help, and believe they have something
to offer.   But when people use their intelligence like a weapon, then
- and I wonder if they realise this - it seriously undermines and
discredits everything they say.

I hope you will reconsider in the light that at least one person is
more than interested in what you have to say.
Now I am sorry that I didn't speak my mind earlier.

All the best,
Amy

Sorry to hear that the carnivores on the Atkins thread chewed you up, Guy.
But keep putting out your daily column. A lot of us read it. I always enjoy
puzzling over who you're critiquing.

It does.

Obvious to you maybe, not obvious to me.

Exactly what was disgusting about it, other than you don't like the fact
that he made money.

Then don't be surprised when a "few" of the disciples baited your right
back. Trolling for responses, usually gets responses, and not
necessarily the ones you want to hear.

Including you, for your troll-like behavior.

OK, that's good.

I prefer to be a student in the US, where there is no Tianneman Square.

OK, and it could be pointed out that if everyone was well and happy and
working, that we wouldn't need entitlements, does that mean we're doing
away with them? No, It's obviously one of those scare tactics phrases
that seems to be working with you.

Diabetics who cling to outdated advice will have the biggest problems in
the long run.

I don't really know what that means, so no comment.

Not always. Some are too stupid to realize they're stupid, and do quite
well.

Agreed

True, but that doesn't stop you from posting them, nor should it.

My fad will probably allow me to move sand with all my limbs intact,
Guy. That's one of the very good lessons I've taken from you. There are
many.

Hello, Guy

I am sorry you sound so bummed.... A lot of us here really like you and
respect you very much. I think you must really have a kind heart under that
crusty and gruff aspect you sometimes display;-)

Don't worry so much about what some others have posted in response to some
of your posts. I think your heart has always been in the right place, and
you have merely articulated what has been on your mind, that's all. You know
the art of conversation among friends includes being able to sincerely
disagree, or have slightly differing opinions, while maintaining a cordial
and civil attitude toward each other. Please do not pick up all your marbles
and go home. I, for one, would like you to remain among us. :-)

Will, T2

Guy,

Anytime someone is told that what they are doing and what they believe
in is wrong, there is going to be conflict.  Although there is a
diversity of ideas and beliefs in this group, there is a majority who
believe that low-carb is the way to handle diabetes.  It is what has
produced, for them, good control and given them better health than what
they ever thought possible.   They have researched it and are living
it.  So, like I said, to challenge that is to create conflict.

There are some of us in here who eat a higher carb diet and believe
that is the best way to handle diabetes because it works for us.  It
has produced good control and given us better health than what we ever
thought possible.  We have done the research and are living it.  To
tell us we're wrong is going to cause conflict.

So, what it seems to be at times is the battle of the low-carbers vs.
high-carbers.  I once wrote a parody based on that using Dr. Seuss'
"Star Bellied Sneeches."

But it ain't all just about carbs. Diabetes is so much more than all of
that.  There's the importance of exercise, the different medications,
the different "types" of diabetes, the varied lifestyles we all lead,
the dreadful complications, the daily struggles, the uncaring or caring
family, the caring or uncaring non-diabetic world, and a myriad of
studies that strive to define this disease but usually do nothing more
than contradict and confuse not just the authorities, but those of us
who try to interpret them to fit our needs.

There will always be charlatans and scammers who swoop down like
vultures to prey on what they perceive to be the easily victimized.  Is
it Atkins?  The ADA?  Dr. Bernstein? Others? That's for each of us to
decide.  They all make money.   They all claim to be the authoritative
answer to diabetes.  One thing is pretty clear, they all have their
followers and critics in here.  When it comes to ourselves we have to
follow our beliefs and hopefully find a doctor who we trust to know
more than we do.  When it comes to posting in this newsgroup, the only
thing we can do is try to present our case and even more important, try
to understand the other side.

One thing is for sure, you are no troll.  You are a diabetic who
battles it every day and will the rest of his life.  You are one of us.

Hope you return someday.  I always enjoy reading your posts.  Your
style is refreshing.  And your economy of words is something I need to
investigate. :)

Best,
Kurt

Not obvious to me. I continue to find this group most educational, and
I note so do many others.

Including you for trolling.

<snip crap>

Personally, I find this thread as useful as the atkins thread.
-Sax

It's functioning quite well that way.

Ah, I see.  Instead of listening to the teachers, you tuned in on
a conversation in the back of the classroom, and now it's the school's
fault.