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diarmidlogan@gmail.com - 24 Mar 2006 23:41 GMT http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html
By Steve Dow
Want to lose weight? Controversial research to be unveiled this week suggests your bad cholesterol levels could rise if you plump for a high-protein diet but ignore low-glycaemic index ("GI") foods.
Experts agree that either a diet high in carbohydrate but low in GI, or a diet high in protein, will help you shed kilograms. Low-GI foods are those that the body slowly digests and absorbs, such as muesli, pasta and green salad.
But the authors of a new Sydney University study to be presented at the National Heart Foundation conference at the weekend suggest the low-GI approach is crucial for controlling your LDL, or "bad", cholesterol.
The study, headed by PhD student Joanna McMillan-Price, examined 129 men and women aged 18 to 35. They were split into four groups and put on a diet of varying glycaemic load for 12 weeks. All four diet groups lost body fat. But the group placed on a high-protein diet with reduced carbohydrates scored an average LDL cholesterol level 10 per cent higher than the other groups. Another diet group given just as much red meat - but combined with significant servings of low-GI carbohydrates - recorded falls in LDL cholesterol.
Jennie Brand-Miller, a Sydney University professor of human nutrition and the study co-author, says if you choose low-GI carbs "you can be protected from any effects of red meat".
High-GI diets, which include processed breads and potatoes, were associated with high cholesterol, according to the study findings, says Brand-Miller.
The red meat itself was statistically "not the cause" of the high cholesterol in this study, although Brand-Miller says the "potential" for red meat to increase cholesterol is "definitely there" on a high-protein diet.
The Meat and Livestock Corporation helped fund the study.
The message, says Brand-Miller, is that "if you ignore the GI in your carbohydrates, then you might see adverse changes in your blood lipids [fats]".
"Lowering glycaemic load by reducing the GI of carbohydrates is the most effective mechanism of promoting body fat loss, as well as improvements in cholesterol level," she says. "Reducing glycaemic load by increasing protein may also be effective, but it's doubly important to choose low-glycaemic carbohydrates."
For most people, particularly women, a low glycaemic load "might be safer to achieve with a high-carbohydrate diet than a high-protein diet". The group that achieved the best body fat loss and cholesterol fall was on a high carbohydrate, low-GI diet (see breakout).
The University of Sydney has a big interest in low-GI diets. Experts including Brand-Miller have authored books such as The New Glucose Revolution and The Low GI Diet, with sales of more than 2 million.
In Adelaide, the CSIRO has questioned Sydney University's findings as "out of step". Manny Noakes, an associate professor in CSIRO's human nutrition department, says she has not seen the full study, but has heard Brand-Miller present the early stages.
"The comments about high-protein diets are not supported by many other studies," she says. "Both our own studies and many others show that LDL cholesterol goes down with these diets."
Noakes is co-author of The CSIRO Total Wellbeing Diet book, which emphasises more protein from red meat and fish but also includes wholegrains, vegetables, fruit and milk.
"All of the studies that have been published on moderately high protein diets that are not like the [highest protein] Atkins diet, all of them have shown a reduction in LDL, and that's pretty obviously because they were lean protein foods," says Noakes. "Unless you're on something like the Atkins diet, in which case there's no change [in LDL].
"And there wasn't necessarily any attention given to GI in those studies, mostly because the amount of carbohydrate is relatively low anyway."
Noakes says there are additional benefits of higher protein diets for weight loss, such as improved levels of iron, zinc and vitamin B12.
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Roger Zoul - 24 Mar 2006 23:46 GMT http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html
:: By Steve Dow :: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :: foods are those that the body slowly digests and absorbs, such as :: muesli, pasta and green salad. Aren't most pasta just starch? Those will have a big imact on BG.
:: But the authors of a new Sydney University study to be presented at :: the National Heart Foundation conference at the weekend suggest the [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] :: Noakes says there are additional benefits of higher protein diets for :: weight loss, such as improved levels of iron, zinc and vitamin B12. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18588951%255E23289 ,00.html
:: http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=4459 Enrico C - 25 Mar 2006 00:58 GMT On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:46:46 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote in <news:1228tmnrjjq4ac1@news.supernews.com> on alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.cardiology,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes
> http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html >:: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Aren't most pasta just starch? Those will have a big imact on BG Pastas have a fairly low GI. It's a FAQ on www.glycemicindex.com... Q: Why does pasta have a low GI? A: Pasta has a low GI because of the physical entrapment of ungelatinised starch granules in a sponge-like network of protein (gluten) molecules in the pasta dough. Pasta is unique in this regard. As a result, pastas of any shape and size have a fairly low GI (30 to 60). Asian noodles such as hokkein, udon and rice vermicelli also have low to intermediate GI values. ===============================================
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Jbuch - 25 Mar 2006 01:22 GMT > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:46:46 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote in > <news:1228tmnrjjq4ac1@news.supernews.com> on [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > low to intermediate GI values. > =============================================== Dreamfields pasta has patented various ways of increasing the stability of the network of protein molecules which inhibit the digestion of the carbohydrates in the pasta.
This is the basic secret of their version of "Low Carb" pasta which is still based on wheat as the prime ingredient, and no soy or other low carb ingredients to "dilute" the carbohydrate content which the body can digest in the time available in the stomach and small intestine.
I wonder if I can write a longer sentence?
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Roger Zoul - 25 Mar 2006 02:08 GMT :: Enrico C wrote: ::: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:46:46 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote in ::: <news:1228tmnrjjq4ac1@news.supernews.com> on alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.cardiology,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes
:::: diarmidlogan@gmail.com wrote: http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html
:::::: By Steve Dow :::::: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] :: :: I wonder if I can write a longer sentence? You can if you try. :)
Now that you bring up Dreamfields, don't a lot of folks report that they get elevated BGs at later times from this so-called low carb pasta? If that's the case, a pasta which doesn't make such claims would probably not be as good as Dreamfields, even.
:: -- :: 1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: 4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or :: Other) Billie - 25 Mar 2006 02:51 GMT Dreamfields works fine for me. No late spikes.
Billie
: Now that you bring up Dreamfields, don't a lot of folks report that they get : elevated BGs at later times from this so-called low carb pasta? If that's : the case, a pasta which doesn't make such claims would probably not be as : good as Dreamfields, even. Jbuch - 25 Mar 2006 03:57 GMT > :: Enrico C wrote: > ::: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:46:46 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote in [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > the case, a pasta which doesn't make such claims would probably not be as > good as Dreamfields, even. I remember reading this very long patent at http://www.uspto.gov after searching for the patent.
I think the idea was to delay digestion until elimination or at least until the large intestine was reached.
I think I remember reading in the patent that different people might be able to break down the treatment earlier than others. So that for a few people the product would be pretty much like regular pasta.
That would go along with what you had heard of elevated BG's in some people.
Then, it was almost a year ago when I read it, or struggled trying to read it to put it more accurately.
There is good reason to suspect that only the general gist of the above is a good approximation to accuracy.
The box says 42 carbs per serving, of which 37 are "Protected Carbs", leaving 5 net Carbs per serving.
"Protected" evidently means that the carbs have been made to digest outside the range of biological absorption -- or eliminated undigested.
Anyone can probably find the patent with determination -- and then more determination is needed to read the whole thing.
I think I googled and got the name of the inventor of the process somehow, and may have used the inventor name to locate the patent at www.uspto.gov, rather than Dreamfields as the assignee. The assignee or patent owner need not actually be Dreamfields, but could be a person or another corporate entity with which Dreamfields has an agreement.
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Alf Christophersen - 25 Mar 2006 23:11 GMT >I think the idea was to delay digestion until elimination or at least >until the large intestine was reached. Hm. Leaving all the carbohydrates for E.coli and friends to process. How kind.
Anyone thought of the social side effects??
or perhaps, they should provide some instruments for the user to play with the air pressures from farts when E.coli processing is at top. Like tuba for huge males etc.
:-) Jbuch - 25 Mar 2006 04:15 GMT > Now that you bring up Dreamfields, don't a lot of folks report that they get > elevated BGs at later times from this so-called low carb pasta? If that's > the case, a pasta which doesn't make such claims would probably not be as > good as Dreamfields, even. To look up the patent info at http://www.uspto.gov, the inventor's name is in the following along with some claims about the product. ----------------------------------------------------------------
One carbohydrate expert speculated that the Dreamfields Pasta must contain a large amount of resistant starch or other kinds of dietary fiber. No, that isn’t they way they did it, says Dr. Jon Anfinsen, the inventor of the process.
The technology behind Dreamfields Pasta results in most of the carbohydrate grams becoming “protected” or non-digestible, Dr. Anfinsen tells me. It “involves molecular interactions that help block the enzyme from attacking the carbohydrate starch granule. It is not encapsulated. We have basically creating the situation where there is a matrix more or less that has a tendency to attract the enzyme to the matrix and not the carbohydrate.”
These non-digestible carbohydrates aren’t counted as fiber, but they “start to act as fiber in the colon,” Dr. Anfinsen says. “They perform just like any other fiber in the colon; whether it be a soluble or an insoluble fiber that is fermented, it acts the same.”
Tim Dodd, CEO of Dakota Growers Pasta Company in Carrington, North Dakota, another partner in the Dreamfields venture, describes the process somewhat differently. He says they make the pasta in four shapes — spaghetti, elbows, penne rigate, and linguine — from enriched durum semolina, the coarse flour made from durum wheat. A 52-gram (2 ounce) serving of Dreamfields Pasta still includes 42 grams of total carbohydrates, he says, but 37 are rendered non-digestible by a “fiber blend” process for which a patent is pending. The process leaves only 5 digestible carbs per serving, Dodd says.
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There was speculation that this process could be adopted to other foods, and potatoes was one of the speculations.
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Roger Zoul - 25 Mar 2006 04:45 GMT :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Jbuch wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] :: There was speculation that this process could be adopted to other :: foods, and potatoes was one of the speculations. Interesting. Thanks for the effort!
W.M.McKee - 25 Mar 2006 02:35 GMT >Pastas have a fairly low GI. It's a FAQ on www.glycemicindex.com... >Q: Why does pasta have a low GI? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >X'Posted to: alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.cardiology,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes Not all pastas are created equal... some have a more direct, and thus, dangerous effect for diabetics, I submit....
If it be one of the traditional pastas, like most Italian vermicelli, it is probably OK if consumed in very moderate quantities... I get a spike if I have more than 1/2 cup. Barrillo, or some other types, do not seem so dramatic in their effect on me. I am speaking simply from my own experience. Others may have other experiences. My experience is based upon my meter.
Will, T2
W.M.McKee - 25 Mar 2006 02:27 GMT >http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >suggests your bad cholesterol levels could rise if you plump for a >high-protein diet but ignore low-glycaemic index ("GI") foods. Maybe the real message here is that balance is key, provided one focuses upon the low end of the GI spectrum of possible carbs...
To parody Pangloss, what Jennifer, Quentin, Alan, et al, are suggesting is that we choose to live in the world of the best of all possible carbs.... (The reference is to Voltaire)
Look at the study/article posted by Roger ... If you read it closely, you get a partial explanation of why some carbs are better than others. Chemically, starches are simply compacted glucose..... Whereas other carb molecules do not break down so directly, thus not having such an immediate impact upon the BG of diabetics.
Just some thoughts....
Chuck, for what it is worth, I try to live "low carb" every day of my life... If anything, I am healthier for it. Try it.. you may like the way you feel! :-) ....
Will, T2
Chris J. - 25 Mar 2006 21:55 GMT I've noticed something odd that I thought might be of interest to anyone in the drink/do not drink coffee discussions.
I have an expressso maker, as I enjoy an occasional double espresso. Usually, I don't have it near a meal. I have it once or twice a month, and it never bothered my BG's. I have it black, no sweetener.
Today, I had one double espresso immediately prior to breakfast. My breakfast was one I have fairly often, and always before has given me a peak BG or between 115 and 120: Low carb special K, regular milk, a quarter cup of ground flax, and half a cup of fresh blueberries. (I estimate roughly 30 carbs).
However, today, I started feeling slightly lightheaded and feverish (usually a sign of a big spike with me) about 30 minutes PP, and tested at 163 (confirmed by an immediate read with a different meter at 161). 5 minutes later, 139, then 1 hour PP 104.
My normal PP peak from this exact breakfast is at 45 minutes, not 30 (and I've tested this breakfast extensively, so I'm sure of this).
So, what I saw was an earlier than expected and much higher spike. The basic effect looked like my digestion process had been accelerated.
So, for me at least, it looks like coffee before, and perhaps with, a meal is not a good idea.
Russ - 26 Mar 2006 07:45 GMT Caffeine is an insecticide produced by a number of different plants. When we ingest it, we get a typical stress reaction with raised cortisol, glucose, and blood pressure. Russ Farris http://www.potbellysyndrome.com
> Today, I had one double espresso immediately prior to breakfast. My > breakfast was one I have fairly often, and always before has given me [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > tested at 163 (confirmed by an immediate read with a different meter > at 161). 5 minutes later, 139, then 1 hour PP 104. Cheri - 26 Mar 2006 07:43 GMT I have never had a problem with caffeine, never. It's definitely a YMMV thing, so the "we" doesn't work, and I really hate the "we." Speak for yourself.
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Alan S - 26 Mar 2006 09:10 GMT >I've noticed something odd that I thought might be of interest to >anyone in the drink/do not drink coffee discussions. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >So, for me at least, it looks like coffee before, and perhaps with, a >meal is not a good idea. Exactly what is in your formula for a "double espresso" apart from coffee. I'm particularly interested in what milk or creamer you add.
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Ozgirl - 26 Mar 2006 10:06 GMT >>I have an expressso maker, as I enjoy an occasional double espresso. >>Usually, I don't have it near a meal. I have it once or twice a month, >>and it never bothered my BG's. I have it black, no sweetener.
> Exactly what is in your formula for a "double espresso" > apart from coffee. I'm particularly interested in what milk > or creamer you add. Black, no sweetener ;)
Alan S - 26 Mar 2006 10:25 GMT >>>I have an expressso maker, as I enjoy an occasional double >espresso. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Black, no sweetener ;) Aah! Thx - missed that.
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Chris J. - 26 Mar 2006 22:50 GMT >> I have it black, no sweetener.
>Exactly what is in your formula for a "double espresso" >apart from coffee. I'm particularly interested in what milk >or creamer you add. None.
As for my formula, I stress that I don't know if this is the right way of making the stuff, but it's how I do it.
I fill up the steamer cup with fresh ground Kona Coffee, and pack it down a little. I fill up the miniature coffee pot to the top line, and let the machine do it's job. This makes enough for one standard mug of coffee, so I call it a double espresso. (Espresso is normally served in very tiny cups). I add no creamer or sweetener, though I do often add a single ice cube (I don't like my hot drinks to be very hot).
On occasion, I add a dash of cinnamon powder to the grounds.
Susan - 26 Mar 2006 22:59 GMT > I fill up the steamer cup with fresh ground Kona Coffee, and pack it > down a little. I fill up the miniature coffee pot to the top line, and > let the machine do it's job. This makes enough for one standard mug of > coffee, so I call it a double espresso. (Espresso is normally served > in very tiny cups). I add no creamer or sweetener, though I do often > add a single ice cube (I don't like my hot drinks to be very hot). Espresso is also made with a very different roast of coffee. Kona, BTW, has, IIRC, about 40% more caffiene than regular coffee, so that may be part of your problem.
Susan
Chris J. - 27 Mar 2006 10:37 GMT >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Espresso is also made with a very different roast of coffee. I tend to just use whatever is handy, and as I like Kona, that's generally what I have.
> Kona, BTW, >has, IIRC, about 40% more caffiene than regular coffee, so that may be >part of your problem. Ahh, caffeine, gotta love it. <G>
Alan S - 26 Mar 2006 23:14 GMT >>> I have it black, no sweetener. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >On occasion, I add a dash of cinnamon powder to the grounds. Sounds very similar to the coffee I have every morning - although I have mine after breakfast. I tend to be on the ng then, so it is sipped over a long period between two-finger typing sessions and generally is stone cold by the time I finish the mug.
Recipe:
I use a stove-top Italian style coffee-maker. Not this brand, but like these: http://www.bialetti.co.za/italian-coffee-makers.php
I put in a heaped tablespoon of ground coffee. I just weighed the amount - 10-12gms, a little under a half oz to make one mug.
For the morning mug, I add a few small bits of cinnamon quill - about a 1/4 teaspoon - just broken off the quill.
That makes a mug-full of fairly strong brew. No measurable BG effects at all. Neither from the coffee nor the cinnamon.
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Chris J. - 27 Mar 2006 10:40 GMT >Sounds very similar to the coffee I have every morning - >although I have mine after breakfast. I tend to be on the ng >then, so it is sipped over a long period between two-finger >typing sessions and generally is stone cold by the time I >finish the mug. I basically gulped this one, not good.
>Recipe: > >I use a stove-top Italian style coffee-maker. Not this >brand, but like these: >http://www.bialetti.co.za/italian-coffee-makers.php Those look very interesting! I wonder if they would work on a glass/ceramic (radiant heat) rangetop?
>I put in a heaped tablespoon of ground coffee. I just >weighed the amount - 10-12gms, a little under a half oz to >make one mug. > >For the morning mug, I add a few small bits of cinnamon >quill - about a 1/4 teaspoon - just broken off the quill.
>That makes a mug-full of fairly strong brew. No measurable >BG effects at all. Neither from the coffee nor the cinnamon. I've never noticed any BG effects previously, either, but I don't recall having it right before a breakfast, either.
Have you ever tried your brew right before a meal?
Alan S - 27 Mar 2006 13:01 GMT >>Sounds very similar to the coffee I have every morning - >>although I have mine after breakfast. I tend to be on the ng [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Those look very interesting! I wonder if they would work on a >glass/ceramic (radiant heat) rangetop? I can't see why not; the base is flat.
>>I put in a heaped tablespoon of ground coffee. I just >>weighed the amount - 10-12gms, a little under a half oz to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Have you ever tried your brew right before a meal? Rarely - not often. But I don't recall any BG variations on those rare occasions.
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Chris J. - 28 Mar 2006 10:49 GMT >>I've never noticed any BG effects previously, either, but I don't >>recall having it right before a breakfast, either. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Rarely - not often. But I don't recall any BG variations on >those rare occasions. But when did you test? If I'd have tested just at one hour, I'd have seen the 104 (5.7) and assumed everything was fine as that's in the acceptable range for me.
Had I not felt odd, I wouldn't have tested so early, as this was all "known" and well tested items. I'd have utterly missed the spike.
However, my BG profile is apparently odd in that I'm very prone to spiking very briefly when I spike, so this might not apply at all to anyone else.
Ricavito - 28 Mar 2006 01:48 GMT > >Recipe: > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >For the morning mug, I add a few small bits of cinnamon > >quill - about a 1/4 teaspoon - just broken off the quill. That's how I make my morning cup too, except I use a French roast as Kona is too mild tasting for me. Then I froth about 6 oz of steaming hot nonfat milk w/ a tbl or so of bitter chocolate, cinammon, and Splenda to taste. I don't get much of a waiver in bg usually, even w/ the nonfat milk--nothing like w/ toast for example. One must spend one's carbs wisely! And it's a nice start to a chilly day.
Jeanie - 27 Mar 2006 22:41 GMT > As for my formula, I stress that I don't know if this is the right way > of making the stuff, but it's how I do it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > On occasion, I add a dash of cinnamon powder to the grounds. That's not espresso, though. That's just a strong cup of coffee. Espresso is a whole 'nuther thing, very very strong. I drink a great deal of coffee, some of it decaf, some not. All the espresso I use is decaf, mostly because my husband and I like to have a latte together at night about once a week. Caffeine doesn't seem to affect me much at all. I can go strictly decaf for weeks on end with no withdrawal headaches or anything. He can't, though. <g>
Jeanie
Nicky - 27 Mar 2006 22:58 GMT >> As for my formula, I stress that I don't know if this is the right way >> of making the stuff, but it's how I do it. I fill up the steamer cup with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > That's not espresso, though. That's just a strong cup of coffee. Nope, my Italian coffee maker that resembles Alan's description says it's for espresso. Makes a hell of a crema, too.
Nicky.
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Ozgirl - 27 Mar 2006 23:26 GMT > >> As for my formula, I stress that I don't know if this is the right way > >> of making the stuff, but it's how I do it. I fill up the steamer cup with [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Nope, my Italian coffee maker that resembles Alan's description says it's > for espresso. Makes a hell of a crema, too. Define: espresso google search ;)
brewing method that extracts the heart of the bean. It was invented in Italy at the turn of the century. A pump-driven machine forces hot water through fine grounds at around nine atmospheres of pressure. It should take between 18 to 23 seconds to extract a good shot. This will produce from 3/4 to one ounce of great liquid. This produces a sweet, thick and rich, smooth shot of espresso. Comes from the Latin word "Expresere" which means "to press out." www.geocities.com/Paris/Salon/2549/glossary.html
I like this one :) :
A one-ounce shot of intense, rich black coffee made and served at once. A pump-driven machine forces hot water through fine grounds at around nine atmospheres of pressure. abyssinica.co.uk/glossary.htm
Coffee prepared in a special machine from finely ground coffee beans, through which steam under high pressure is forced. This method takes 18 to 25 seconds, giving way to the meaning express or fast. A straight shot of espresso measures between 1 to 1 3/4oz and is topped with a deep golden cream. A straight shot of espresso should be poured and brewed directly into the cup in which it is being served in. www.grindersandcompany.com/terms.php
HTH :)
Jeanie - 28 Mar 2006 01:20 GMT >>>>As for my formula, I stress that I don't know if this > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > HTH :) Well, the coffee has to be ground in the finest grind possible, which, oddly enough, is called espresso grind. If you were to use regular grind coffee in an espresso machine, you would not have espresso as most people know it.
Jeanie
Chris J. - 28 Mar 2006 10:52 GMT >Well, the coffee has to be ground in the finest grind possible, which, >oddly enough, is called espresso grind. If you were to use regular >grind coffee in an espresso machine, you would not have espresso as most >people know it. I grind my own, and I do grind it very fine for Espresso.
LizardQueen - 26 Mar 2006 12:07 GMT I think that caffeine causes the "fight or flight" response which causes the liver to dump glucose. Could be that the 163 was additive (liver dump from caffeine + breakfast).
And while I don't know the body mechanism of it I agree that coffee can make things go "too fast" - both my sister and I have had to cut out caffeine as no matter what we eat we're hungry again a half hour later if we drink coffee with it.
I had already started working it out of my diet when I discovered I had blood sugar regulation problems. I had found that combined with breakfast it would make me hungrier after breakfast than if I hadn't drank it at all.
Now that I've cut it out I seem to be particularly sensitive to it. A cup of decaf coffee or non-decaf tea will give me the jitters where before they wouldn't. It's not as bad if I drink it later in the AM, though not after about 3 PM because then I can't sleep that night.
LQ
Chris J. - 26 Mar 2006 22:56 GMT >I think that caffeine causes the "fight or flight" response which >causes the liver to dump glucose. Could be that the 163 was additive >(liver dump from caffeine + breakfast). Hmmm.... That's an interesting thought...
But, the odd thing is, it never bothers my BG between meals. However, this was at breakfast, so perhaps it causes a liver dump due to the long fast?
I can only think of one way to test this theory: Try having the espresso with lunch. If I ever get up the nerve to try this (unlikely), I'll post the results (hitting the 160's is NOT a happy or relaxing event for me, so I'm definitely not eager to repeat!)
Thanks for some interesting things to think about, LQ. Also, I have been following your threads, and I think you are doing very well! I certainly commend your pro-active attitude!!!
Nicky - 26 Mar 2006 19:19 GMT > Today, I had one double espresso immediately prior to breakfast. My > breakfast was one I have fairly often, and always before has given me > a peak BG or between 115 and 120: Low carb special K, regular milk, a > quarter cup of ground flax, and half a cup of fresh blueberries. (I > estimate roughly 30 carbs). I've moved off coffee in the morning to green tea - I like my coffee strong enough to require a silver spoon to stir it, and I just can't cope with it in the mornings any more : ) I am however sitting here sipping my usual post-supper coffee, with a 1-hr pp of 5.7.
Maybe whatever effect you had from it is amplified by the morning weirdness, and you'd be safer drinking it later in the day?
Nicky.
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Chris J. - 26 Mar 2006 23:00 GMT >> Today, I had one double espresso immediately prior to breakfast. My >> breakfast was one I have fairly often, and always before has given me [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Maybe whatever effect you had from it is amplified by the morning weirdness, >and you'd be safer drinking it later in the day? I'm not sure if it's the morning, or having it right before a meal, or both. I do know that I've had it right after both lunch and dinner with no trouble, and between meals with no trouble.
I'll just avoid having it right before a meal from now on. It's something I only have once or twice a month, so making sure I don't have it right before eating will be no trouble at all.
Loretta Eisenberg - 26 Mar 2006 19:22 GMT I thought that this thread was about a person in the military being called up to go to Iraq. Okay I wasnt too swift. It does bring up a question Are diabetics automatically excluded from military service.
Loretta
-- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
Cheri - 26 Mar 2006 19:56 GMT I think a type 1 diabetic was petitioning to be allowed into the military not too long ago, I could be mistaken, but I sort of remember reading about it. Dunno if he was let in or not though.
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Loretta Eisenberg wrote in message <24464-4426DBF2-19@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net>... I thought that this thread was about a person in the military being called up to go to Iraq. Okay I wasnt too swift. It does bring up a question Are diabetics automatically excluded from military service.
Loretta
-- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
W.M.McKee - 26 Mar 2006 20:05 GMT >I think a type 1 diabetic was petitioning to be allowed into the >military not too long ago, I could be mistaken, but I sort of remember [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Loretta Having been in the military, Loretta, I cannot imagine why anyone in this world would clamor to get in... I still have a pair of pants with a shrapnel hole in them.
In my day, we were all faced with the draft. There was no choice. It was sign up, or go to jail.
I am familiar with the stories of many who were medically discharged, when they were diagnosed. I doubt that the regs have changed, but I do not know for sure....
Will, T2
Cheri - 26 Mar 2006 20:19 GMT Boy, that's the truth. :-(
-- Cheri
W.M.McKee wrote in message ...
>Having been in the military, Loretta, I cannot imagine why anyone in >this world would clamor to get in... I still have a pair of pants with >a shrapnel hole in them. Billie - 28 Mar 2006 05:49 GMT Hello Will. There was a 'pumper' who was in Iraq but had to return stateside following a problem with his pumping supplies that were damaged. I do not recall all of the details now (pretty sure I got the info on the pumpers' list), and how long he had been there prior to this. As far as I know, there was no problem with him being in the military. Maybe the need is so great for members today, that they are not as stringent on some of the requirements.
Having been in the Air Force for nineteen years with Jim, I do have to say it has its pros and cons. Surely, our family suffered from some of the "cons," yet we are all the persons we are today from those experiences, and there is not a one of us that I would change one iota, and *that* means accepting Jim, children, and grandchildren exactly as they are, not expecting nor wanting any change in them.
Hope you have a good day tomorrow. I have to go to Memphis to the urologist for a follow-up from my last lithotripsy done two weeks ago today.
Billie........ loving her MM 715 pump!
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: Having been in the military, Loretta, I cannot imagine why anyone in : this world would clamor to get in... I still have a pair of pants with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] : : Will, T2 W.M.McKee - 28 Mar 2006 13:49 GMT >Hello Will. There was a 'pumper' who was in Iraq but had to return stateside following a >problem with his pumping supplies that were damaged. I do not recall all of the details now [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >: >: Will, T2 Great hearing from you, Billie...Yes, there was a mix of good and bad, and we have all been moulded by our experiences that brought us to where we are today.
And as they say, everyone has to be somewhere. Sometimes, we just have to go with what life presents us at the time.
Hope you are well this day, and that the trip to Memphis goes well.
Will, t2
Billie - 28 Mar 2006 05:35 GMT Cheri and Loretta,
There was an insulin pumper who went to Iraq, but had to return stateside early due to *supply* problems incurred when some of his were damaged. I cannot recall all of the details of the story now as to the reason why the problem with replacement.
Hope both you ladies are doing well this evening. :o) Billie
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:I think a type 1 diabetic was petitioning to be allowed into the : military not too long ago, I could be mistaken, but I sort of remember : reading about it. Dunno if he was let in or not though. : : -- : Cheri
: I thought that this thread was about a person in the military being : called up to go to Iraq. Okay I wasnt too swift. It does bring up a : question Are diabetics automatically excluded from military service. : : Loretta Charles - 27 Mar 2006 16:56 GMT Loretta, maybe I can answer the question best. I was discharged on Dec 21, 1971 before a pay raise went into effect the 1st of 1972. Here's how it works. I was in a driving career field and I had just got a clearance to refuel Air Force 1 and actually got to refuel it one time. I had 13 years in and if I had been in a different career field they might have "carried" me 7 years or if I had been a T-2, which would be unlikely at age 32, they might have done it and I emphasize the word might. Hopefully times have changed since then. Look at the reality, if I went to Iraq, where would I store my insulin? You eat a box lunch in the field and they don't need guys like me having hypoglemic reactions every time I missed a meal.
Back when women weren't allowed to do men's work, there was a lot of complaining about that so they don't want to give a guy like me a desk job. I could have been a fuels truck dispatcher but they only look at the big picture. I served a year in Thailand in 1965 and there was no refrigeration, except in the club.
Charlie
>I thought that this thread was about a person in the military being > called up to go to Iraq. Okay I wasnt too swift. It does bring up a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Loretta Eisenberg - 27 Mar 2006 19:29 GMT Thanks Charlie, I guess diabetes makes one 4F if they use that term any more
Loretta
-- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
Quentin Grady - 27 Mar 2006 21:22 GMT This post not CC'd by email
>http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html G'day G'day Folks,
In the study we can clearly see various groups jockeying for position, most notably the original researchers on GI and the CSIRO group. Could I make one suggestion that has relevance to the people here on asd. Ignore the power plays of the groups. What they call their diets matters very little. What matters is what they actually do. It's the nitty gritty of the diet that we need to notice. Often researchers get a good result or a bad result which has little to do with their "cause"
Let's take a look at the diets presented.
Fat fighters
These two diets produced the most significant results
================================================================= Best combined weight loss and cholesterol improvement on this high-carbohydrate, low-GI diet:
BREAKFAST: Burgen low-GI cereal, low-fat milk, strawberries, grapefruit; mid-morning fruit bread, margarine, fruit spread.
LUNCH oatbran bread, minestrone soup, margarine, green apple.
DINNER spaghetti in 120g of bolognaise sauce; salad of lettuce, tomato, cucumber, olive oil and vinegar. (5300 kilojoules energy, 175 grams carbs, 47 grams protein, 42 grams fat. Glycaemic load of this sample menu: 65.)
================================================================= Comments.
Breakfast. Burgen breads have outstanding low GIs. In Australia and New Zealand they are the virtual standards. There is something else about them. They are of outstanding quality. Low fat milk is usually high protein. There has to be something if it ain't to taste like dish water. Strawberries are reduced carb, never mind the low GI aspect. T2s can generally eat strawberries till the cows come home and not experience a significant blood glucose rise. Grapefruit is interesting all on its own. Grapefruit is low GI, its true. It also contains some interesting bioflavonoids that alter the liver function. Grapefruit consumption is associated with weightloss.
The macronutrient ratios work out at P:C:F as 15:55:30. These are the classic ratios that I often rail against as unlikely to produce weightloss. These are the same ratios give or take a bit that failed in the WHI study. IMHO there is more to be learnt from looking at dietary trials the DON'T conform to one's expectation than from ones that do. For that reason this result is more important to me than many other trials.
Low fat basically doesn't work for weightloss unless something exceptional happens. The usual something is that protein is brought up to about 20% and fibre is raised to about 30 grams per day. Yet, here is a study that worked.
Clearly the message of importance is in the details. It becomes exquisitely important to find out how it worked, if indeed the proclamations of success are valid.
The question is, "Which details?"
At the moment we have best "cholesterol" improvement. Low fat diets usually decrease both HDL and LDL. When they say best "cholesterol improvement" do they mean biggest drop in LDL:HDL ratio or the more misleading drop in total cholesterol?
OK, now for the other diet.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Worst cholesterol result on this higher-protein, reduced-carb diet, but good weight loss results:
BREAKFAST: 80-gram omelette, wholemeal bread, spinach, capsicum and grilled tomato; mid-morning low-fat yoghurt, wheat bran, banana.
LUNCH wholemeal bread, lean meat, lettuce, tomato and cheddar cheese.
DINNER brown rice, 200 grams bolognaise sauce, salad as above. (5350 kilojoules of energy, 140 grams carbs, 81 grams protein, 43 grams fat. Glycaemic load: 84)
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Comments. The meals are rather different from what I'd choose. It contains things I'd eat and items I'd leave out.
Yes, I'd eat an omellete, spinach, capsicum and grilled tomato. No, I'd avoid "wholemeal bread" banana and brown rice. Burgen breads are closer to whole grain and their slow ferment and slow cooling ensure low GI.
Protein has brought up to 25% of calories. Fat remains at 30% Carbohydrate appears to be about 45%
IMHO the protein is enough for weightloss. We don't know the fibre levels
It seems obvious that the diet many of us would like to see has low GI choices for carbohydrate AND higher protein. However this is the nature of research. Few researchers have any motivation to discover the optimal diet as we have. It is rather like the old, old joke about the pair being confronted by a bear in the woods and one stopping to put on running shoes. All that is necessary in the power plays between conflicting nutritional ideologies is to out run the opposition.
Best wishes,
 Signature Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading."
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
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