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Fenugreek ?
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Tecknomage - 24 Mar 2006 13:03 GMT According to the Diabetes Self-Management WEB site below, Fenugreek works for controlling BG. Anyone tried this? Does it help?
The implication form sited research is 100mg or less but all I can find in pill form is 6x that. Is there a pill form 100mg?
I did find the bulk powder form.
http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/
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Jenny - 24 Mar 2006 14:27 GMT > According to the Diabetes Self-Management WEB site below, Fenugreek > works for controlling BG. Anyone tried this? Does it help? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/ Save your money and put your energy into eliminating the carbohydrate-containing foods that raise blood sugar rather than hoping that you can counter the abuse you are giving your poor struggling beta cells by buying expensive, exotic supplements whose effects are minimal if they exist at all.
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awthrawthr@yahoo.com - 24 Mar 2006 15:33 GMT > > According to the Diabetes Self-Management WEB site below, Fenugreek > > works for controlling BG. Anyone tried this? Does it help? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > cells by buying expensive, exotic supplements whose effects are minimal > if they exist at all. While eating correctly is always good advice., there is nothing expensive or exotic about fenugreek. It costs a heckuva lot less than Glucophage and the rest. I just looked in a swanson catalog and saw where one type is $2.99, and their fenugreek extract is $10.99.
Also, studies have revealed that 3 to 6 grams of cinnamon also lowers blood sugar levels. To say that the effects of herbs are minimal or don't exist is just silly...as every coffee and tea drinker knows.
> --Jenny > > http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info > > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood > Sugar Under Control Jenny - 24 Mar 2006 16:38 GMT > Also, studies have revealed that 3 to 6 grams of cinnamon also lowers > blood sugar levels. To say that the effects of herbs are minimal or > don't exist is just silly...as every coffee and tea drinker knows. Most of us long timers here on the newsgroups have tried every supplement you can imagine and found their effects to be underwhelming and at times troubling.
For example, I found that the lower blood sugars cinnamon caused at 2 hours were canceled out by the extremely high blood sugars I saw shortly after ingestion, once I measured a value 100 mg/dl higher than usual. Since it is very dangerous to the eye have blood sugars over 250 mg/dl for any period of time, that was the end of my cinnamon experiment. Cinnamon also, contrary to what I'd read in the research paper, raised my blood sugar in a predictable manner after ingestion.
Newbies often waste a lot of time and money on these supplements hoping that by doing so they can keep eating the same crap they were eating at diagnosis. Ask anyone here who has gone from a diabetic to normal blood sugar how they did it, and the answer you are going to get is NOT through using supplements.
And it's worth noting that many of us are people who do use alternative health approaches for other conditions. I certainly do. But supplements and alternative practices are virtually worthless for diabetes, and if you really want to normalize your blood sugar you'd do a whole lot better to ask the people who have done it how they have done it. There are dozens of them here who would be happy to tell you how.
--Jenny
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Alan S - 24 Mar 2006 22:15 GMT >Newbies often waste a lot of time and money on these supplements hoping >that by doing so they can keep eating the same crap they were eating at >diagnosis. That's the heart of it.
Maybe they're worth using for fine tuning, but only after test,test,testing to create a BG-friendly nutritious diet, following a reasonable exercise regimen and consulting your medical advisors concerning other aspects and medication.
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awthrawthr@yahoo.com - 25 Mar 2006 02:45 GMT > > Also, studies have revealed that 3 to 6 grams of cinnamon also lowers > > blood sugar levels. To say that the effects of herbs are minimal or [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > sugar how they did it, and the answer you are going to get is NOT > through using supplements. Why do you assume that those who want to use herbs are only looking for a way to cheat?? Do you make the same asumption about diabetics who use prescription drugs?
Herbs can assist and speed up the beneficial effects of a good diet. They can have therapeutic effects.
Also, not everyone is ready to make wholesale changes in their dietary habits. Are those people to be faulted for seeing if herbs might be beneficial to them?
It is not a bad thing when scientists discover that cinnamon is effective for lowering Blood sugar...especially since these herbs have such mild side effects if any whatsoever.
In a perfect world, everyone would eat perfectly. Meanwhile, not everyone is there yet. If you're being disciplined about your diet, good for you...you are the beneficiary of your own wise choices.
But your choices don't impact whether some herbs can be helpful...even if one of them did't work for you. It would be interesting to know what the circumstances of your cinnamon consumption was...were you combining it with a drug or two? Did you sprinkle cinnamon on a bowl of icecream?
In any case, we'd all appreciate it if you'd stop conflating the harm caused by bad food choices with the benefits of herbs.
> And it's worth noting that many of us are people who do use alternative > health approaches for other conditions. I certainly do. But supplements [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood > Sugar Under Control Ron - 24 Mar 2006 17:49 GMT >>> According to the Diabetes Self-Management WEB site below, Fenugreek >>> works for controlling BG. Anyone tried this? Does it help? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Glucophage and the rest. I just looked in a swanson catalog and saw > where one type is $2.99, and their fenugreek extract is $10.99. I just buy Fenugreek seeds from the neighbourhood Pakistani/Indian store. I grind 1 spoon of the seeds in my coffee grinder & have it after dinner with water.
The Hindu name for Fenugreek is "Maythee". They also have Fenugreek leaves available in their grocery section. Apparently, that's also supposed to be good, but haven't tried it.
> Also, studies have revealed that 3 to 6 grams of cinnamon also lowers > blood sugar levels. To say that the effects of herbs are minimal or [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood >> Sugar Under Control Wooly - 24 Mar 2006 16:36 GMT >Save your money and put your energy into eliminating the >carbohydrate-containing foods that raise blood sugar rather than hoping >that you can counter the abuse you are giving your poor struggling beta >cells by buying expensive, exotic supplements whose effects are minimal >if they exist at all. Fenugreek neither expensive nor exotic. I add it to mint tea as a tummy soother. You can buy whole seeds at any good Indian market for pennies per ounce, or mail order the stuff for not much more.
I don't think I'd trust it to "levelize blood sugar", as the websites I just checked claim it'll do...
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Julie Bove - 24 Mar 2006 17:28 GMT > Fenugreek neither expensive nor exotic. I add it to mint tea as a > tummy soother. You can buy whole seeds at any good Indian market for > pennies per ounce, or mail order the stuff for not much more. > > I don't think I'd trust it to "levelize blood sugar", as the websites > I just checked claim it'll do... I've seen studies claiming that green tea lowers BG. I haven't noticed this effect, but I like green tea!
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Wooly - 24 Mar 2006 18:34 GMT >I've seen studies claiming that green tea lowers BG. I haven't noticed this >effect, but I like green tea! Green tea studies amuse me. Do ya think maybe the healthful diets of the study populations (traditional-type Asians) has anything to do with the study results? Heretical thinking, I know...
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Alan S - 24 Mar 2006 22:29 GMT >Green tea studies amuse me. Do ya think maybe the healthful diets of >the study populations (traditional-type Asians) has anything to do >with the study results? Heretical thinking, I know... > >+++++++++++++ Maybe, maybe not. You will find the occasional caucasian name in this group, but I admit they are outnumbered:
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Alan S - 24 Mar 2006 22:26 GMT >I've seen studies claiming that green tea lowers BG. I haven't noticed this >effect, but I like green tea! Green tea, and it's extract EGCG, is a substance causing a lot of discussion and interest for it's claimed benefits for various forms of cancer, including leukemias like mine. I don't know of any BG benefits.
I have a lot of CLL friends who claim it is miraculous, others who claim it is hogwash, others who claim it is harmful and others who just like the taste. However, the weight of evidence is starting to favour those in favour of EGCG and it's benefits.
Does this have a familiar ring to it?:-)
Do a little searching on EGCG extract. Scholar http://tinyurl.com/qfbrl
However, I'm not enthused enough personally, while my numbers are good, to do more than drink the occasional refreshing cup of green tea.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg
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Julie Bove - 24 Mar 2006 17:26 GMT > According to the Diabetes Self-Management WEB site below, Fenugreek > works for controlling BG. Anyone tried this? Does it help? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I did find the bulk powder form. I've tried it but am not sure that it works. Don't take it on a regular basis but do take it in conjunction with bitter melon if my BG is higher than I want. My caps are 500 mg. Says to take 1 before each meal.
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