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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / April 2006I must confess...
...that I just got through eating a big bowl of rapini. There, I said it...and I'm not the least bit ashamed! Best, Kurt "keeping everyone abreast of the minutia of my life" I hope you enjoyed it, though I have no idea what "rapini" is :lol:. So, what is it? LQ > I hope you enjoyed it, though I have no idea what "rapini" is :lol:. > > So, what is it? > > LQ I thought it was a character is a Hawthorne story. >...that I just got through eating a big bowl of rapini. There, I said >it...and I'm not the least bit ashamed! > >Best, >Kurt >"keeping everyone abreast of the minutia of my life" I imagine that is some kind of pasta. It's fine that you ate it and enjoyed it. However, is it really a good idea to then brag about it?  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 21, 2006 is 2,319. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 23, 2006 It has been 1057 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." I'll finish with the story of the Native American talking to his granddaughter about the two warring dogs in his soul. One dog was filled with hate and fear, the other was full of love and peace. His granddaughter asked, "Grandfather, which dog wins?" He replied, "The one I feed." I think rapini is a veggie, but I'm not 100% sure. If it is, bragging is fine. :-) -- Cheri Grandpa Chuck > wrote in message <5d86225pktnri4aqusgkaju51j4thc3393@4ax.com>... >I imagine that is some kind of pasta. >It's fine that you ate it and enjoyed it. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >love and peace. His granddaughter asked, "Grandfather, which >dog wins?" He replied, "The one I feed." >I think rapini is a veggie, but I'm not 100% sure. If it is, bragging is >fine. :-) Oh. Sorry. The name sounds like a pasta. Speaking of eating veggies and such, today for lunch Laurie fixed a tomato soup recipe that was in Tuesday's newspaper, a couple of tossed salad, and ice tea. The only carbs in the meal were about six crouton I put in my bowl of soup. I didn't really give it anymore thought. I should have. After we cleaned up the dishes and checked a couple of things in our email we took an afternoon siesta. When we got up from that while she was getting ready for work I decided to check my BG for no particular reason. That was about two and a half hours after lunch. I felt just fine. My BG was down to 63. I was surprised that I didn't feel any symptoms of being hypo at all. Normally anything 80 or below will cause me to shake as if I were on a caffeine buzz. She came down the stairs right after I tested. That's when we have our afternoon coffee and snack. Today it was an ice cream sandwich. I'm doing fine now. I just don't understand how some people can live day-to-day on a very low carb diet. That would have me in the hospital before the end of the first day. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 21, 2006 is 2,319. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 23, 2006 It has been 1057 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." I'll finish with the story of the Native American talking to his granddaughter about the two warring dogs in his soul. One dog was filled with hate and fear, the other was full of love and peace. His granddaughter asked, "Grandfather, which dog wins?" He replied, "The one I feed." Depends on your meds I guess. Hey, you got an added treat though, an ice cream sandwich is always good. :-) -- Cheri Grandpa Chuck > wrote in message ... >She came down the stairs right after I tested. That's when we have our >afternoon coffee and snack. Today it was an ice cream sandwich. I'm [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >-- >Grandpa Chuck <snip> > I just don't understand how some people can live day-to-day on a very > low carb diet. That would have me in the hospital before the end of > the first day. I don't get that. If you stop all medication, do you need to carb load to keep your glucose up? The best I have been able to hit on the meter is an 80, with no carbs, fasting, etc. My metabolism will shut down first, I get really hungry, then fingers and nose get cold. I just can't get the number to go much lower. Maybe with medications I could. I just don't see how one would need a 600-750 carb diet for diabetes, for example. If I look at bread I go up 20 points! Please explain how this happens. -Sax > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I just don't see how one would need a 600-750 carb diet for diabetes, for > example. If I look at bread I go up 20 points! Some of us have forms of diabetes where a small amount of carbs does really rotten things to our blood sugars and makes us feel really rotten. Others, from their postings here, can tolerate much higher carb intakes and still feel good and control their blood sugars. People in the one group cannot comprehend how the other group functions. The explanation probably is that they have two entirely different metabolic problems which have in common only that they can result in high blood sugar. OTOH, if a person with diabetes has only tried to cut their carbs for one or two days they may never get through the initial adaptation to a lower input which isn't fun and they may think that all us people who low carb are walking around feeling the way that they feel during their withdrawal period. That's kind of like a person who uses heroin thinking that everyone not using it must have horrible stomach cramps all the time. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control This is so true. I don't have a very large tolerance for carbs at all before my BG is through the roof. Really high, really fast. -- Cheri Jenny wrote in message ... >People in the one group cannot comprehend how the other group functions. >The explanation probably is that they have two entirely different [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >low carb are walking around feeling the way that they feel during their >withdrawal period. >Some of us have forms of diabetes where a small amount of carbs does >really rotten things to our blood sugars and makes us feel really >rotten. Others, from their postings here, can tolerate much higher carb >intakes and still feel good and control their blood sugars. Jenny, I totally understand... Most of the time, I do fine...in perfect control. The danger comes in departure from the routine. For instance, last night, I went to a special dinner for a troupe of touring Russian musicians from a conservatory in St. Petersburg. To make a long story short, there was not much diabetic friendly food on hand. So, out of desperation, I ate a little. I have been paying the price all day. High carb food is like Cryptonite! Will, T2 Yes, I remember it well. Not only eating all that junk, but drinking brandy. Won't happen again for a very long time, that's for sure. Hope you're doing well, Will. :-) -- Cheri W.M.McKee wrote in message <0so622drd7uhq02linqbcgn9kqf9rje49g@4ax.com>... >>Some of us have forms of diabetes where a small amount of carbs does >>really rotten things to our blood sugars and makes us feel really [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Will, T2 >Yes, I remember it well. Not only eating all that junk, but drinking >brandy. Won't happen again for a very long time, that's for sure. Hope >you're doing well, Will. :-) Doing OK, Cheri, and you? I stayed away from the brandy! There sure was not much healthy on the menu, though... even the cordon bleu was a little suspicious.... The music was fabulous, however! Will, T2 >> Some of us have forms of diabetes where a small amount of carbs does >> really rotten things to our blood sugars and makes us feel really [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Will, T2 Part of the discrepancy in peoples' responses probably has to do with how much of their diabetes is due to insulin resistance and how much is due to lack of effective insulin. In the first case, the IR can often be corrected with exercise and weight loss, followed by oral drugs. So a few years after diagnoses with IR brought under control the remaining beta cells may be able to do the job no matter what is thrown at them. Others are not so lucky as they don't produce enough insulin to do the job even if the IR is corrected. In that case carbs in equal blood sugar up. Finally, if you have been restricting carbs for a while, even if you're tolerance has improved, you'll get an unusually high spike the first time you over indulge because your metabolism has shifted over and you haven't got a store of some enzymes you need to process the incoming carbs. This is why people who are low carbing must up their carbs significantly for 4 days before a formal Glucose Tolerance Test if the results are to be meaningful. I envy you hearing the Russian Musicians, that sounds delightful! --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I don't get that. If you stop all medication, do you need to carb load to >keep your glucose up? According to my doctor, whom I trust, and some other people in the diabetic field of medicine we need more than 100g of carbs every day just to maintain normal healthy brain function. > The best I have been able to hit on the meter is an >80, with no carbs, fasting, etc. My metabolism will shut down first, I get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I just don't see how one would need a 600-750 carb diet for diabetes, for >example. If I look at bread I go up 20 points! 600-750g of carbs per day???? I would think that would send a non diabetics BG too high. I can't imagine a diabetic consuming that much. What kind of bread does this to you? I eat a slice of whole wheat at least a few times a week. I eat a slice of cinnamon/raisin bread with peanut butter as my breakfast at least 6 mornings per week. >Please explain how this happens. >-Sax SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 21, 2006 is 2,319. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 23, 2006 It has been 1057 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." I'll finish with the story of the Native American talking to his granddaughter about the two warring dogs in his soul. One dog was filled with hate and fear, the other was full of love and peace. His granddaughter asked, "Grandfather, which dog wins?" He replied, "The one I feed." "Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in > According to my doctor, whom I trust, and some other people in the > diabetic field of medicine we need more than 100g of carbs every day > just to maintain normal healthy brain function. Are you mistaking glucose for carbs? You might find the following, interesting reading: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=stryer.section.4355 http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/08366/h&p2fat.htm http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=stryer.section.4370 >"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Are you mistaking glucose for carbs? No, not at all. I know the difference. They all said "carbs". SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." > >"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I know the difference. > They all said "carbs". Ok, then if it is not a misunderstanding on your part then the doctor is just plain wrong. People have lived very well for a long time on predominantly ketone bodies for their brain "fuel" and that certainly does not come from carbs. The brain will use whatever is available, glucose or ketone bodies - it matters not. Some car engines will accept diesel or petroleum. Carbohydrate does not stay long in the body, an hour's exericse for example can deplete all the stores, what do you think the body (and brain) live on then? Or when we are starving for weeks? Or a low carber? An alcoholic? If the body only accepted glucose for it's fuel and livelihood, low carbers, the starving, the sick, they'd all be dead within 24 hours.That's why the body has a back-up system. The ability to create fuel by breaking down fatty acids. For what it is worth my GP would most likely not be up to scratch on that sort of thing either, even though this is pretty basic medical stuff. > According to my doctor, whom I trust, and some other people in the > diabetic field of medicine we need more than 100g of carbs every day > just to maintain normal healthy brain function. Your doctor is making a common mistake here, which is often made by people who haven't spent much time studying nutrition. He is correct that the brain needs glucose, but incorrect that it has to come from food. The liver can convert more than 1/2 of the grams of protein you eat into glucose via the process called "gluconeogenesis". So as long as you are eating enough protein you'll have more than enough glucose to keep your brain happy. Meanwhile the rest of the tissues of the body including the heart run very well on FFAs. During the years when dietitians had convinced themselves that low fat diets were the only healthy diets they came up with a huge number of specious arguments to fight against low carb diets which they saw as extremely dangerous NOT because of research results but because since these diets were high in fat they just KNEW they had to be bad for you. Quite a few of the specious claims you'll read came from studies done many years ago where "low carb" diets contained as much as 45% of calories. In these cases the combination of fat and carbs which is much higher than any of us would recommend was damaging, but only because the carb level was too high. Other claims, like the diet causing kidney damage in people with normal or near normal kidneys or draining calcium from bones have been disproved with research. The claim that low fat diets worsen lipids is also frequently cited and has been utterly discredited by research as well as the experience of those of us who have eaten these diets for five years or more. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control >> According to my doctor, whom I trust, and some other people in the >> diabetic field of medicine we need more than 100g of carbs every day [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >glucose to keep your brain happy. Meanwhile the rest of the tissues of >the body including the heart run very well on FFAs. Isn't that acidosis? Or something like that having to do with release of ketones? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." > Isn't that acidosis? > Or something like that having to do with release of ketones? No, ketosis, the state of burning ketones occurs early in a low carb diet, but after a few weeks your body shifts over to where it mostly burns free fatty acids. Your organs run very happily on free fatty acids. It's what you do when you lose weight. Unless you turn that stored fat into something your body can burn for energy, it stays put. Ketoacidosis is something entirely different. It occurs in Type 1 diabetics who make no insulin if they let the insulin level in their body drop to where they are completely unable to utilize the glucose circulating in their blood stream. The lack of insulin causes the liver to start flooding the body with even more glucose which it makes by breaking down muscle tissue. The rest of their body is running on fat because it can't utilize ANY glucose, including the very high amounts circulating in the blood. The blood becomes acidified with the muscles breaking down and a crises ensues. If your blood sugars are normal, you can live on free fatty acids for years as long as you eat enough protein to provide the glucose your brain needs so that the liver doesn't have to break down muscle to supply that protein. The amount of protein you need, btw, is quite modest. For me when I was eating at a very low carb level (and had an A1c of 5.2%) it was about 100 grams a day. I put together a page years ago at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm which draws on the information in Lyle MacDonald's book, The Ketogenic Diet, and shows you how to calculate the amount of dietary protein you need to eat to conserve muscle while on a low carb diet. At 60 grams of carbs a day, most of us need very little supplemental protein, btw. But it is weight based, so looking at the formula is useful if you wonder if you aren't getting enough. Lyle's book is no longer being sold, I believe, which is a shame because it was full of very useful journal-based information about what happens in a body that is restricting carbs. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control TY Jenny. I bookmarked the page for later reference. >> Isn't that acidosis? >> Or something like that having to do with release of ketones? [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood >Sugar Under Control SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." "Jenny" <lottadata@hotmail.com> wrote in message The Ketogenic > Diet, and shows you how to calculate the amount of dietary protein you > need to eat to conserve muscle while on a low carb diet. At 60 grams of > carbs a day, most of us need very little supplemental protein, btw. But > it is weight based, so looking at the formula is useful if you wonder if > you aren't getting enough. Jenny, may I butt in here. Everything I have read in medical texts says that you only need to "feed" your normal weight re protein (for adults who have stopped growing and are not athletes, bodybuilders etc). Excess weight doesn't need to be fed protein. In other words you calculate the approximate normal weight for height and do your protein calculations by that. > Jenny, may I butt in here. Everything I have read in medical > texts says that you only need to "feed" your normal weight [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > normal weight for height and do your protein calculations by > that. I think you actually calculate your lean body mass, and feed that protein to maintain (or to build), not your total weight. Susan >"Jenny" <lottadata@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >normal weight for height and do your protein calculations by >that. Our beagle who was overweight is now at her ideal weight. Why? Because the veterinarian told us to look at the bag, see how much a dog should eat per day at the preferred weight and then feed her that amount. That's what we did. Maybe I should switch my diet to IAMS dog food. It looks as good as most low carb diets I have seen. - That's a joke folks. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >Our beagle who was overweight is now at her ideal weight. Why? Because >the veterinarian told us to look at the bag, see how much a dog should >eat per day at the preferred weight and then feed her that amount. >That's what we did. Maybe I should switch my diet to IAMS dog food. It >looks as good as most low carb diets I have seen. - That's a joke >folks. Chuck, Chuck, I'm sorry, but I have to interject here..... Low carb does not mean "dog food." It can be wonderfully tasty treaty food.... The kind of elevated fare that you've only dreamed of... Once you go low carb, if you do it right, the other stuff will be like poison to you! And, it feels so good to be so well, again! :-) Will, T2 However, I put my dog on LC a couple of years ago, and she hasn't been sick since then. Before that, she was overweight and sluggish, and threw up a lot. I was feeding her Pedigree Lamb and Rice at the time. Now, she's at proper weight, and very active for an 8 year old larger dog. I add cottage cheese only to her meat diet, and her fur is shiny and beautiful, so in her case, LC is dog food, which it should be IMO. :-) -- Cheri W.M.McKee wrote in message ... >>Our beagle who was overweight is now at her ideal weight. Why? Because >>the veterinarian told us to look at the bag, see how much a dog should [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Will, T2 >However, I put my dog on LC a couple of years ago, and she hasn't been >sick since then. Before that, she was overweight and sluggish, and threw >up a lot. I was feeding her Pedigree Lamb and Rice at the time. Now, >she's at proper weight, and very active for an 8 year old larger dog. I >add cottage cheese only to her meat diet, and her fur is shiny and >beautiful, so in her case, LC is dog food, which it should be IMO. :-) Ever heard of Innova dog and cat food? It is a high protein, low carb, no grain formula dry food. Once our cats are off their prescription food they are going on it. The dogs probably will to once their tub is empty. It's expensive, but not as high as the prescription stuff at the vet's office. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >> However, I put my dog on LC a couple of years ago, and she hasn't >> been sick since then. Before that, she was overweight and sluggish, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > empty. It's expensive, but not as high as the prescription stuff at > the vet's office. Aren't you worried about their brains starving from lack of carbs? Just out of curiousity Chuck, tell me what the menus of the low carb diets you have seen look like. Have you actually looked at the choices you have, or are you just surmising that it means a whole hog for breakfast, a side of beef for lunch, and pork rinds dipped in a pound of butter for dinner? Understand, that I'm not criticizing your diet, and if it works for you, that's great. I'm just really curious. :-) -- Cheri Chuck wrote: >>Our beagle who was overweight is now at her ideal weight. Why? Because >>the veterinarian told us to look at the bag, see how much a dog should >>eat per day at the preferred weight and then feed her that amount. >>That's what we did. Maybe I should switch my diet to IAMS dog food. It >>looks as good as most low carb diets I have seen. - That's a joke >>folks. >Just out of curiousity Chuck, tell me what the menus of the low carb >diets you have seen look like. Have you actually looked at the choices >you have, or are you just surmising that it means a whole hog for >breakfast, a side of beef for lunch, and pork rinds dipped in a pound of >butter for dinner? Understand, that I'm not criticizing your diet, and >if it works for you, that's great. I'm just really curious. :-) We bought the South Beach Diet Book. That is the only one I took the time to read. I have friends who have done the Atkins diet and I couldn't eat that much meat or that many eggs on a bet. I am a carnivore, it is true, but I do not eat large portions of meat and don't care for eggs prepared the most common ways. They either have to be in an omelet, fried sunny side up till the yolk is hard with no skirts on the whites or hard boiled. Other than that, I don't really know except for what I have read here that people eat. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." :: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:45:23 -0800, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> :: wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] :: to be in an omelet, fried sunny side up till the yolk is hard with no :: skirts on the whites or hard boiled. Most low carbers who know what they are doing don't eat lots of meat and eggs. Moreover, there is no call to do so. :: Other than that, I don't really know except for what I have read here :: that people eat. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] :: It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, :: "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." Thanks for the answer Chuck. Have a great weekend. :-) -- Cheri Grandpa Chuck > wrote in message <7jl9225n00nvc9jgltr5nedlk4jspekir9@4ax.com>... >>Just out of curiousity Chuck, tell me what the menus of the low carb >>diets you have seen look like. Have you actually looked at the choices [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, >"Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >We bought the South Beach Diet Book. That is the only one I took the >time to read. I have friends who have done the Atkins diet and I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Other than that, I don't really know except for what I have read here >that people eat. Nothing to do with the argument - but I thoroughly enjoyed my breakfast this morning, cooked on the BBQ at the School Reunion by the P&C and student volunteers. Bacon, sausages and eggs. Not a box of cereal in sight:-) The only carbs available were toast, OJ and milk for coffee or tea. I overate, of course. One reason I usually stay away from buffets. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Our beagle who was overweight is now at her ideal weight. Why? Because >>the veterinarian told us to look at the bag, see how much a dog should [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Will, T2 LOL It was a joke Will. A joke. Besides, in order for me to want to eat their dog food I would have to pour milk on it and then top it with a couple of spoons full of sugar. That would kind of defeat the whole point, wouldn't it? I like the way we eat. I consume fewer carbs than most Americans by far. What carbs I do eat are usually the slow acting ones. I practice good portion control at least 95% of the time. When I was diagnosed with this disease and again when I found ASD I vowed that I will not be a slave to it. That is why I refuse to call my eating program a diet or to go on any so-called diet. My sister, who is four years my senior, has been overweight all of her adult life. She has gone through just about every diet to ever come down the line and always - always - gained back what she lost; usually more. She was diagnosed with diabetes a year or so before I was. I was underweight until I passed my forty first birthday. That was during the time I was going through some life changing things in my life. Not a mid-life crisis to me since every one of them was a positive. Had I stayed at my long time weight of under 130 pounds would I have developed diabetes? I have no way of knowing for sure. I believe I would have, but possibly not as early as I did. OTOH, I was diagnosed very early on simply due to the fact that I went to the podiatrist to have my ingrown toenails on my big toes operated on and they automatically test everyone's BG before performing the surgery. I say early on because only eight months before that I had a different kind of surgery in the hospital and there were not high BG readings at that time. I have a very satisfying and happy life. Yes, I want to lose some more weight and walk more than I have. I know it will not only improve my diabetes but it will also help with my osteoarthritis, but probably not my psoriatic arthritis. Losing weight would also make it easier to control my blood pressure. Besides, I haven't been able to get very many signatures on my petition to have Congress pass a bill requiring all urinals to have a mirror on the back of them so people like me can see what we are doing when standing in front of them. ;-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >>And, it feels so good to be so well, again! :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >pour milk on it and then top it with a couple of spoons full of sugar. >That would kind of defeat the whole point, wouldn't it? >I have a very satisfying and happy life. Yes, I want to lose some more >weight and walk more than I have. I know it will not only improve my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >all urinals to have a mirror on the back of them so people like me can >see what we are doing when standing in front of them. ;-) Sounds like you are doing a lot of very good things for yourself, Chuck. It is great hearing from you! By the way, are you suggesting you stand in front of a urinal with your back to it? How do you pee backwards? ;-) Take care, Chuck... Have a wonderful weekend! Will, T2 >>>And, it feels so good to be so well, again! :-) >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >By the way, are you suggesting you stand in front of a urinal with >your back to it? How do you pee backwards? ;-) LOL No, not at all. I guess I didn't state it very clearly. I meant the part of the urinal that we are facing when standing there. That isn't exactly the front of it. Hmm, is it the back of the front? Maybe it's the inside part of the front. Well whatever you call it, it is just that I have trouble seeing over that roof that took so many years to construct over my tool shed. >Take care, Chuck... Have a wonderful weekend! > >Will, T2 SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,322. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 25, 2006 It has been 1059 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." "Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in > Our beagle who was overweight is now at her ideal weight. Why? Because > the veterinarian told us to look at the bag, see how much a dog should > eat per day at the preferred weight and then feed her that amount. > That's what we did. Maybe I should switch my diet to IAMS dog food. It > looks as good as most low carb diets I have seen. - That's a joke > folks. I do something I heard about a long time ago. If my dog starts to look a little chubby I cut down the total food, if he starts to look a bit lean I add more. Sort of like a human looking at themselves in the mirror naked, daily, except I do his thinking for him ;) >"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >human looking at themselves in the mirror naked, daily, >except I do his thinking for him ;) Yes, but when I look in the full-length mirror if I say anything derogatory about what I see Laurie tells me that I look good to her and that means I am not to talk bad about myself. But then she has a body that I think most ladies in their late teens or early twenties would kill for. She's 5'10" and weighs 145. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >human looking at themselves in the mirror naked, daily, >except I do his thinking for him ;) That's sounds a bit like watering one's garden according to how mushy the soil is... will, T2 >>"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >will, T2 Isn't that why most people the diet do so? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,322. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 25, 2006 It has been 1059 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >human looking at themselves in the mirror naked, daily, >except I do his thinking for him ;) I use the mirror jump test. If there are too many parts of me still going up when the rest of me is well on the way down - time to add more exercise and reduce the menu:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>"Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg Love it Alan! I will have to give that one a try. Not sure I will see much since even though I am overweight there isn't anything lose. Even my apple shaped tummy is tight with no flab. What is really ironic is that I originally started drinking at age 21 in an effort to gain weight. Everyone said if I were to drink a small bottle of beer either just before or with my dinner I would be sure to gain weight. Well, I quit drinking just before my 39th birthday and I still weighed the same 127 pounds. I started gaining weight after my 41st birthday. Over the years I put on 40 pounds, which was ten pounds more than I wanted. Then at age 45 I stopped smoking and just as my doctor predicted I gained 20 more pounds over the next two years. After than my weight continued to rise slowly until by age 55 I was fluctuating between 205 and 215 throughout the year. Even my doctor said that seemed to be my "set weight" but it was too high. Now through portion control and some (not enough) walking exercise I am pretty steady within two pounds of 195. If with the coming warm weather I can continue to lose it the same way I put it on by fall I hope to have that average number closer to 185. I do know since losing the weight that I have my blood pressure is better controlled and most of the time so are my BG tests. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 25, 2006 is 2,322. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 105 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 26, 2006 It has been 1060 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >><snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > least a few times a week. I eat a slice of cinnamon/raisin bread with > peanut butter as my breakfast at least 6 mornings per week. <Snip> All bread sends my number up. You imply, maybe I misunderstand, that your numbers go down rapidly unless you carb load your diet. King of like reverse diabetes. My BG's are too high but you have the opposite problem where yours are too low. If one day of a low carb diet would send you to the emergency room it sounds like "reverse diabetes". I thought that carb loading was bad news for ALL diabetics. I can't carb load, carbs = glucose = higher BG's. I want the kind you have.... chips, soda, orange juice, italian bread, pasta galore! How do I get that kind? I could even use a mix ;-) I would think that you could totally control your condition with diet as you have an additive problem while mine is subtractive. Is this the case? -Sax >All bread sends my number up. You imply, maybe I misunderstand, that your >numbers go down rapidly unless you carb load your diet. I never "carb load." SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." > According to my doctor, whom I trust, and some other people in the > diabetic field of medicine we need more than 100g of carbs every day > just to maintain normal healthy brain function. That's glucose, not carbs. Remember that over 50% of ingested protein is converted to glucose. Priscilla >> According to my doctor, whom I trust, and some other people in the >> diabetic field of medicine we need more than 100g of carbs every day [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Priscilla I couldn't possibly eat enough protein to equal over 100g of carbs per day, nor would I want to. And no it was not glucose he was talking about; it was carbohydrates. The same for the diabetes educator. As a matter of fact she talked about both. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." :: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:57:52 GMT, "Saxology" <saxology2000@yahoo.com> :: wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] :: diabetic field of medicine we need more than 100g of carbs every day :: just to maintain normal healthy brain function. This is a very common example of what happens when blind trust is placed in doctors and medicine. Of course, one is left to wonder where exactly the error lies, with your understanding of what he/she said or in the doctors, or both. Obviously, you think those of us here doing LC suffer from some abnormal brain function, too, or will one day. Interesting. >:: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:57:52 GMT, "Saxology" <saxology2000@yahoo.com> >:: wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >This is a very common example of what happens when blind trust is placed in >doctors and medicine. I am getting sick and tired of everyone implying that either I misunderstood my doctor or have blind trust in him. Neither of those assumptions is true in any way. > Of course, one is left to wonder where exactly the >error lies, with your understanding of what he/she said or in the doctors, >or both. Obviously, you think those of us here doing LC suffer from some >abnormal brain function, too, or will one day. Interesting. Let us just agree to continue to do what works for us as individuals. I am not the least bit threatened by your claims to eat almost no carbs, so why should you be threatened because I believe what my doctor said. If you really want to know more of what he said, so be it. I specifically asked him about people who claim to consume almost no carbs per day and in some cases less than 20grams. He chuckled and said whenever anyone has investigated what the majority of these people actually consume the actually eat many more carbs than they believe they do. He went on to say in his own patients who claimed to be on very low carb diets he asked them to keep complete records of everything they ate for one week. After reading it and then questioning them if they perhaps had a little something besides what was in the record, in every single case it was found they actually ate at least twice as many carbs as they believed they were eating. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." > >:: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:57:52 GMT, "Saxology" <saxology2000@yahoo.com> > >:: wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > misunderstood my doctor or have blind trust in him. Neither of those > assumptions is true in any way. Of course they're not true. Hang in there, Chuck. Don't be baited by false accusations which seem to be on the increase here. I trust my endo, but it is not blind. And I question him when something doesn't make sense to me. He always takes the time to back up what he advises and explain it in realistic terms. Most important, he listens to me. Now that's someone I can trust.:) > > Of course, one is left to wonder where exactly the > >error lies, with your understanding of what he/she said or in the doctors, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > carbs, so why should you be threatened because I believe what my > doctor said. Well said and spot on. The YMMV thing could well be the "group motto" since it really does have such clarity in its brevity. :) > If you really want to know more of what he said, so be it. I > specifically asked him about people who claim to consume almost no [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > was in the record, in every single case it was found they actually ate > at least twice as many carbs as they believed they were eating. I believe that many here are pretty vigilant with what they eat and as someone with diabetes I tend to think it's okay to be a bit obsessive. But denial is a fault that lies within us all when it comes to wanting to please or have a sense of belonging. Stay well, Chuck. Listen to your doctor, listen to yourself. Best, Kurt >The YMMV thing could well be the "group motto" >since it really does have such clarity in its brevity. :) Amen to that one. >Stay well, Chuck. Listen to your doctor, listen to yourself. > >Best, >Kurt Thank you Kurt. Our doctor has always said, "You two are the best patients I have at being your own care givers. I wish more of them would do that instead of expecting me to do it all for them." He is not only our doctor; he is also a very good friend to both of us. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." ::::: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:57:52 GMT, "Saxology" ::::: <saxology2000@yahoo.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] : and explain it in realistic terms. Most important, he listens to me. : Now that's someone I can trust.:) The statement made by Chuck, attributed to advice from his doctor, is just wrong. Yet, you're here defending this, Kurt. It's clear to me that you have some agenda that doesn't have anything to do with people making accurate statements. What does what your endo says to you have to do with what Chuck's doctor says to him? ::: Of course, one is left to wonder where exactly the ::: error lies, with your understanding of what he/she said or in the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] : Well said and spot on. The YMMV thing could well be the "group motto" : since it really does have such clarity in its brevity. :) Why don't we all just shut the hell up and not post anything since words have no meaning anyway? :: If you really want to know more of what he said, so be it. I :: specifically asked him about people who claim to consume almost no [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] : : Stay well, Chuck. Listen to your doctor, listen to yourself. Yeah, listen to your doctor. However, that may not help you if either he'll full of it or you don't understand him. : Best, : Kurt I am LMAO. :-) -- Cheri Roger Zoul wrote in message <1228oacpfslpn76@news.supernews.com>... >Why don't we all just shut the hell up and not post anything since words >have no meaning anyway? > I am LMAO. :-) > > -- > Cheri Hey Cheri, glad you got a good laugh out of it but your top posting aside, you should have included the setup for Roger's joke and not just the punchline. It was my premise that: >The YMMV thing could well be the "group motto" >since it really does have such clarity in its brevity. :) All joking aside that would be a good group motto and at the risk of deconstructing the setup to Roger's joke, it really isn't saying anything about people shutting up because words have no meanings. To me, YMMV provides a way for people with diverse beliefs about diet and diabetes to post what works for them without being interpreted as what everyone should do. Best, Kurt > Roger Zoul wrote in message > > <1228oacpfslpn76@news.supernews.com>... > >Why don't we all just shut the hell up and not post anything since > words > >have no meaning anyway? :: Cheri wrote: ::: I am LMAO. :-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: aside, you should have included the setup for Roger's joke and not :: just the punchline. Why do you presume to know that others should do? :: It was my premise that: :: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] :: and diabetes to post what works for them without being interpreted :: as what everyone should do. When it comes to a statement about whether the body must have X to be healthy, that is not a matter of YMMV. It's either true or not. I never questioned whether Chuck's approach works for him, but obviously it has been formed based on false information. People can drop in here at any time and read such statements and go away with false info. And if their doctor happens to tell the same bad info, it just got burned into their brain due to "blind trust". I'm well aware that a lot of diabetes management is a YMMV matter. And I respect the rights of others to do so as they please. However, at the same time, it is also a good idea for others to know that there might be better approaches which could result in reduced or eliminated medications if followed. IMO, that has value. But your constant CYA message of "listen to your doctor" and "consult your dietician" runs counter to my experience. In the last 24 years that i have been a diabetic and seeing doctors, it has been rare for one to spend any significant time learning about me. They have increasingly become about shuffling patients in and out. You wait an hour to get in, 30 minutes sitting in a cold room with your socks off waiting for a doctor to come in, and then you get 5 minutes to talk about what's wrong. Well, if you listen hard you might get lucky enough to hear a complete sentence. >:: Cheri wrote: >::: I am LMAO. :-) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >happens to tell the same bad info, it just got burned into their brain due >to "blind trust". Let's see. My doctor has all those years of training followed by his years in practice. Also he spend an hour to an hour and a half every morning reading the latest medical journals, etc. in order to stay up to date. The diabetes educator that talked to our local diabetes support group and when I asked about people who live on very few carbs per day gave me the same information. Both warned about cutting carbs so far that your body starts putting out ketones. I wish I had more information on that, but I didn't take notes. I'm sure there are others here who do know what the causes and effects of doing that are. On the other hand we now have Roger claiming my doctor and the diabetes educator don't know what the hell they are talking about. What is Roger's medical background and what credentials does he hold? >I'm well aware that a lot of diabetes management is a YMMV matter. And I >respect the rights of others to do so as they please. It ain't a question of "doing what they please". Instead it is doing what works for each individual. > However, at the same >time, it is also a good idea for others to know that there might be better >approaches which could result in reduced or eliminated medications if >followed. IMO, that has value. I agree. However, for you to put it out there in such a manner as you have does not engender much confidence in what you say. >But your constant CYA message of "listen to your doctor" and "consult your >dietician" runs counter to my experience. Thus YMMV, or in your case Your Milage Did Vary, which proves the point. > In the last 24 years that i have >been a diabetic and seeing doctors, it has been rare for one to spend any >significant time learning about me. Which is one more reason to find a doctor that you do have confidence in and that you do trust while making sure the YOU are your first line care giver - not the doctor. > They have increasingly become about >shuffling patients in and out. You wait an hour to get in, 30 minutes >sitting in a cold room with your socks off waiting for a doctor to come in, >and then you get 5 minutes to talk about what's wrong. Which is time to fire them and find a doctor you can talk to and who will take the time to listen and answer your questions. > Well, if you listen >hard you might get lucky enough to hear a complete sentence. And if you don't then you ask them to repeat what they said more slowly and if necessary in terms you can understand. After all they work for you - not the other way around. It certainly appears that you go in with a very negative attitude expecting the worse. We usually get what we think we will. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." :: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:42:28 -0500, "Roger Zoul" :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] :: diabetes educator don't know what the hell they are talking about. :: What is Roger's medical background and what credentials does he hold? I don't have any medical credentials, yet both your doctor and diabetes educators do, and they are both wrong. Hey, this stuff is easily verified. Plenty of people eat way less than 100g of carbs a day and accurately count it. You're free to continue with you head in a hole in the ground if you wish, Grandpa. ::: I'm well aware that a lot of diabetes management is a YMMV matter. ::: And I respect the rights of others to do so as they please. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] :: It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, :: "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >I don't have any medical credentials, yet both your doctor and diabetes >educators do, and they are both wrong. Hey, this stuff is easily verified. >Plenty of people eat way less than 100g of carbs a day and accurately count >it. You're free to continue with you head in a hole in the ground if you >wish, Grandpa. Your manners and powers of persuasion are totally absent and not worthy of consideration. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." :: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:48:16 -0500, "Roger Zoul" :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] :: worthy of consideration. :: -- And your blind trust of your ignorant doctor makes you sad, Chuck. :: Grandpa Chuck :: -ô¿ô- [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] :: It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, :: "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >:: Your manners and powers of persuasion are totally absent and not >:: worthy of consideration. >:: -- > >And your blind trust of your ignorant doctor makes you sad, Chuck. Them there are fighting words, buster, and I ain't in a fighting mood. FYI, I don't have blind trust in anyone - not even you. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." :: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:33:49 -0500, "Roger Zoul" :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] :: FYI, I don't have blind trust in anyone - not even you. :: -- Good. I don't need you to trust me. >:: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:33:49 -0500, "Roger Zoul" >:: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Good. I don't need you to trust me. <grin> SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,322. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 25, 2006 It has been 1059 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." Tell you what Kurt, you post how you want, and I'll post how I want. I was laughing about what he said in that sentence which I found funny, sorry, but I did not find your "premise" particulary funny, or I would have included it. No reason to post 100 lines (without snipping) to get to the point. Try it sometime, or learn to top post. :-) -- Cheri Kurt wrote in message >Hey Cheri, glad you got a good laugh out of it but your top posting >aside, you should have included the setup for Roger's joke and not just >the punchline. > :: I am getting sick and tired of everyone implying that either I > :: misunderstood my doctor or have blind trust in him. Neither of those [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > accurate statements. What does what your endo says to you have to do with > what Chuck's doctor says to him? Defending? I call it support? And if you would open your eyes and read what I responded to was Chuck's comment that people were implying that he misunderstood his doctor and had blind trust in him. > ::: Of course, one is left to wonder where exactly the > ::: error lies, with your understanding of what he/she said or in the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Why don't we all just shut the hell up and not post anything since words > have no meaning anyway? You first. :) Nice to see you've found a newsgroup that's not so boring, Roger. You must be grinning from eat to ear with finding a new place to be a dickhead. Kurt :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Kurt wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] :: read what I responded to was Chuck's comment that people were :: implying that he misunderstood his doctor and had blind trust in him. He believes that he must eat more than 100g of *carbs* a day to have normal brain function. His doctor told him. It's not true. So, he either believe it (blind trust) or misunderstood him. Why does he need your support? Who are you? Who knows, if it didn't think he needed 100g+/day of carbs, he might be able to come off meds. Perhaps that's not important. :::::: Of course, one is left to wonder where exactly the :::::: error lies, with your understanding of what he/she said or in the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] :: You must be grinning from eat to ear with finding a new place to be a :: dickhead. Well, I'm honored that you think of me as a dickhead, Kurt. I'll continue to be one if it means getting people to think for themselves rather than trusting so easily. You continue to shill for the establishment and to promote your blind trust campaign.. We'll have a ball here. >:: Roger Zoul wrote: >::: Kurt wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >:: read what I responded to was Chuck's comment that people were >:: implying that he misunderstood his doctor and had blind trust in him. Since you won't let it drop: The diabetes educator said the number is "at least 165g of carbohydrates per day" for normal brain function. >He believes that he must eat more than 100g of *carbs* a day to have normal >brain function. His doctor told him. It's not true. And where did you get your medical degree? > So, he either believe >it (blind trust) or misunderstood him. Now you are just plain flaming for the sake of argument. So far I am controlling my temper. Shall we let this drop before it gets out of hand? >Who knows, if it didn't think he needed 100g+/day of carbs, he might be able >to come off meds. Not until I have lost more weight. Besides, I like being able to eat at least 95% of the foods that l like by simply doing a little portion control. <snip> > I'll continue >to be one if it means getting people to think for themselves rather than >trusting so easily. Believe me, I don't trust easily. > You continue to shill for the establishment and to >promote your blind trust campaign.. I see no call for you to be treating Kurt with so much disrespect. You owe him an apology. > We'll have a ball here. This ain't no ball game either. God loves you and so do I; it's just easier for Her than it is for me. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." Kurt said: > Nice to see you've found a newsgroup that's not so boring, Roger. You >must be grinning from eat to ear with finding a new place to be a >dickhead. >Kurt To which Roger responded (very politely considering he was called a dickhead) >Well, I'm honored that you think of me as a dickhead, Kurt. I'll continue >to be one if it means getting people to think for themselves rather than >trusting so easily. You continue to shill for the establishment and to >promote your blind trust campaign.. We'll have a ball here. To which Grandpa Chuck responded: >I see no call for you to be treating Kurt with so much disrespect. You >owe him an apology. And you think Roger owes Kurt an apology? Too funny. Methinks you might be flaming just a tad here Chuck. Happy to add a little fuel, thank you very much. :-) Cheri >Kurt said: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Cheri I think everyone of the three of us needs to take a chill pill. Actually, it would be nice if they both apologized to each other and accepted them from each other. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." :: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:05:27 -0800, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> :: wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] :: -- :: Grandpa Chuck Chuck, I really don't have a problem with you, so if you want to let this drop, I'll do so. I do have better things to do. Even though your doc is wrong, I'm happy that you're doing well with your diabetes. Duh! I supposed to be letting this drop....damn pc is addictive... > >Kurt said: > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Actually, it would be nice if they both apologized to each other and > accepted them from each other. Good point and agreed. My apologies to Roger. Best, Kurt :: Grandpa Chuck wrote: ::: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:05:27 -0800, "Cheri" [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] :: :: Good point and agreed. My apologies to Roger. Okay, I apologize too. Believe it or not, I really didn't come here to fight. >:: Grandpa Chuck wrote: >::: I think everyone of the three of us needs to take a chill pill. >::: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Okay, I apologize too. Fantastic. Now isn't that better? >Believe it or not, I really didn't come here to fight. Tell your fingers that before you let them do your talking. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 23, 2006 is 2,320. Americans wounded = more than 17,000 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 24, 2006 It has been 1058 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >Defending? I call it support? And if you would open your eyes and read >what I responded to was Chuck's comment that people were implying that >he misunderstood his doctor and had blind trust in him. I have not had "blind trust" in anyone during my adult life. My old Grandpa told me when I was a tyke, "Always question authority. That doesn't mean you should disobey them. It just means you should at least try to find out why they want you to do something." That may be paraphrasing it just a bit, but it is the gist of what he said. (You suppose that may have something to do with my distrust of organized religion?) I once got an "F" on a theme in English class because I wrote it on what I saw as good reasons to use the word "ain't" and all of the places that it could take the place of so called proper words. She had the gall to tell me it was well written, but she disagreed with what I said and was failing me on it. She also made me write a make-up theme. I think I got something like a "C" on that one because I only made a half hearted effort at it. Now some |
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