>This week's BBC Radio 4 "The Food Programme" was on coffee.
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>http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/foodprogramme.shtml
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>about a quarter of the way through.

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>>This week's BBC Radio 4 "The Food Programme" was on coffee.
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>I'll see your study and raise it several others, if I bother
>to google asd for our last thread on it.
An uncharacteristically jaded reaction Alan, if I might say so.
>Actually, I did, and found a few:
>http://tinyurl.com/ok3c9
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>The subject has been fairly thoroughly discussed in the
>past. Some interesting links there.
I also checked back over the last 15 months of asd before posting, but
found no mention of coffee and cholesterol, which surprised me
slightly as the paper I quoted was published in 1991. Perhaps I missed
something.
>And I'll still imbibe or eat all of the above - in
>moderation.
I agree. I'll continue drinking my 2 or 3 cups of decaf a day, as at
that level it has little or no effect. But someone who knocks back 10
cups a day of decaf, thinking it won't do any harm because it is decaf
but at the same time wondering why their LDL cholesterol is high,
might be interested in the information and might try cutting back,
just on the off chance...
>ANYTHING in excess is dangerous to your health. So is a
>deficiency of many other things.
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>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
>d&e, metformin 2x500mg

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Alan S - 22 Mar 2006 01:51 GMT
>>I'll see your study and raise it several others, if I bother
>>to google asd for our last thread on it.
>>
>An uncharacteristically jaded reaction Alan, if I might say so.
Hi Chris
Wasn't meant that way - sorry if that's how it came across.
Unfortunate phrasing.
Thanks for posting the links.
My intended point was that it's not coffee (decaf or
otherwise) - or any of the other things I mentioned - that
is the problem.
The problem is that eating or drinking anything at all
outside the range that our body sets as minima and maxima is
unwise. Studies that show an excess of "x" affects "y" are
meaningless to me unless they define the threshold at which
ingestion becomes excessive. Or the minimum needed for
health. At least this one seemed to define that at four cups
daily.
I took your comment "But someone who knocks back 10
cups a day of decaf, thinking it won't do any harm because
it is decaf but at the same time wondering why their LDL
cholesterol is high, might be interested in the information
and might try cutting back, just on the off chance..." to be
agreement with that.
It's no different to the people we all know who fasten onto
any half-understood concept, whether they heard it in the
press, or from their doc or just a friend.
People I have actually met, all diabetics:
Boiled bagel-eater: "It's OK - it won't affect my diabetes
because it's low-fat and sugar-free"
Lady offering fruit-cake slices after support meeting -
almost the same thing word for word. She used Splenda - but
it was full of fruit and made with flour:-) I took a tiny
piece to be polite and was over 8(145) in an hour.
Next-door neighbour, attacking a plate groaning under the
weight of mashed potato, AND fries, with a small piece of
battered fish - with a side bread roll. "The nurse told me I
should eat my carbs and fish". My wife was there at the time
- and she did say it - as she performed his once a week test
and got 12.4(223). But he denies he's diabetic.
How many times have you seen it happen? A study comes out
saying "don't eat this" or "eat that" and no-one reads the
limitations on the research?
Anyway - rant over - sorry if I sounded jaded:-)
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Nev. - 22 Mar 2006 03:16 GMT
> Lady offering fruit-cake slices after support meeting -
> almost the same thing word for word. She used Splenda - but
> it was full of fruit and made with flour:-) I took a tiny
> piece to be polite and was over 8(145) in an hour.
A couple of Xmases ago I was around at a diabetic's home
discussing videos when the host brought around some slices of
fruit cake, telling us that the cook had forgotten to put the sugar
in. I was amazed at how sweet it tasted without any sugar added.
I think it would have been sweet enough to have satisfied my sweet
tooth, even in my pre-diabetic days.
Nev.
Chris Hogg - 22 Mar 2006 21:21 GMT
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>Anyway - rant over - sorry if I sounded jaded:-)
No problems!
Anyway, I've been searching with Google Scholar for more papers on
cholesterol and decaffeinated coffee, and the situation is far from
clear. Some papers claim no effect, others that even ordinary
caffeinated coffee increases LDL cholesterol, and so on.
So it has many of the characteristics of the other topics in your
'regularly occurring' list! LOL!

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Susan - 22 Mar 2006 22:23 GMT
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> So it has many of the characteristics of the other topics in your
> 'regularly occurring' list! LOL!
IIRC, the only coffee known to cause increase in LDL is unfiltered
French press?
Susan