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I have been lurking for a bit, but came up with a puzzler this morning and thought I would post. I was diagnosed with type 2 about 3 months ago after a long history of "you should watch your blood sugar" and being "glucose intolerant." Which, if I knew then what I know now would have been more of a warning! Just to fill in, I am reading books, following internet, and learned a whole lot in the last 3 months, which while it increases knowledge, also increases questions. After a couple of days of higher than target BG readings, despite reasonable diet, I finally got reading down to 124 2 hours after dinner last night. Great! Then this morning my FBG was 134. The only think I had between then and now was 1000 mg metformin, and my B/P and arthritis meds. Never had anything like this happen before. Is one of these readings wrong--meter malfunctioning, or can this actually happen? I am getting a number of readings which do not seem logical to me, but this one I cannot explain. Any comments? Barbara C. > I have been lurking for a bit, but came up with a puzzler this morning and > thought I would post. I was diagnosed with type 2 about 3 months ago after [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Barbara C. Hi, Barbara. The first thing I do when I get a highly improbable reading is wash my hands, dry them well, and re-test. Usually, the second test is in line, and I will sometimes do a third just to keep things honest. What are your one hour readings like? Susan > I have been lurking for a bit, but came up with a puzzler this morning and > thought I would post. I was diagnosed with type 2 about 3 months ago after [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Barbara C. Can it "actually" happen?? ah, it just DID! what is your concern? Are you trying to self diagnosis yourself for further meds? You could make an appointment with your doctor and see what he/she wants you to do. 134 is a BIT high in the morning, but you aren't going to go blind or die from it in the next month. What meter are you using? They don't all read the same. For example a Compact will read a bit higher than the LifeScan meters. If you don't think they are logical, either you don't understand how DM works, or you have an inaccurate meter and/or strips, or your technique needs refinement. You might take 2 or 3 readings in a row and see if it's just meter variance. If you have a BD Logic meter, toss it out the window and go to the store and buy a reliable meter such as an UltraSmart. Dave >> I have been lurking for a bit, but came up with a puzzler this morning >> and thought I would post. I was diagnosed with type 2 about 3 months ago [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Dave I have an Ultra One-Touch. My early morning BG tends to be higher than "normal" and 134 not that unusual--but not after a 2-hour post dinner reading of 124. Barbara C. Barbara... It is likely that you are a typical insulin resistant T2 and what you have experienced is The Dawn Phenomenom Here's some info: During the night while you're asleep and can't be eating, the body still needs some energy to keep it going. So, glucose, which has been stored in the liver as "glycogen" is released into the blood. In preparation for waking, the body sends out the biggest batch of glycogen in the last few hours before waking... usually between 3a - 8a. Also in these wee hours of the morning, the body puts out other hormones from the adrenal and pituitary glands... It's all part of the normal cycle for these hormones. They signal to the body that a new day is starting. They rev you up and get you ready to awaken. BUT... they also have an added effect on the liver that makes it less sensitive to insulin. In non diabetics, this doesn't pose any problem... But in us diabetics, the liver dumping glucose, coupled with the insulin dampening hormones mean we awaken with higher BGs than when we went to bed. Jennifer > I have been lurking for a bit, but came up with a puzzler this morning and > thought I would post. I was diagnosed with type 2 about 3 months ago after [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Barbara C. > Barbara... > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Jennifer Okay, then it does not necessarily mean my monitor is faulty! My FBG in a.m. are nearly always higher than normal, and 134 is not that unusual a reading, but I had never gotten this higher than a 2-hour post dinner reading. I'm getting some "odd" numbers occasionally, but admittendly have been playing with my diet to try to find out what foods seem to work (or not work). I need more fruit in my diet to feel better, and have found whole-grain products send up my GB the worst! It's a juggling act. None of my readings are dangerously high (181 after meals the highest reading I've ever gotten), but my low readings aren't that low (rarely below 100). But really felt this morning's didn't coincide with my diet or last-night's testing. Barbara C. > Okay, then it does not necessarily mean my monitor is faulty! My FBG in > a.m. are nearly always higher than normal, and 134 is not that unusual a > reading, but I had never gotten this higher than a 2-hour post dinner > reading. I Eating a huge hunk of protein in your dinner can sometimes lead to a higher blood sugar in the morning. Protein takes many hours to digest and about half of it can be turned into carb by the liver. "Low carb" pasta the night before is good for an extra 10-20 mg/dl in the morning for me. Getting up too often at night and having disturbed sleep can raise my blood sugar. And some people have the dawn phenomenon that Jennifer describes. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control I think I have the dawn phenomenon, but never with readings like that before. Dinner was a salad--with sliced egg, and small amount of cheese, some bacon--the rest greens, tomato, onion. Nothing that should have sent is soaring. But at least I know it can happen and that it doesn't mean my meter is wrong. Barbara C. >> Okay, then it does not necessarily mean my monitor is faulty! My FBG in >> a.m. are nearly always higher than normal, and 134 is not that unusual a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood > Sugar Under Control > Barbara... > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Jennifer Thank you, Jennifer, for that explanation. It makes a lot of sense. I have the same problem with BG levels higher in the morning than they are after a meal. I'm having a real problem getting on top of this diabetes. Jeanie :: Jennifer wrote: ::: Barbara... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] :: they are after a meal. I'm having a real problem getting on top of :: this diabetes. You've only been at it a short time, Jeanie. Don't be hard on yourself. > I have been lurking for a bit, but came up with a puzzler this morning and > thought I would post. I was diagnosed with type 2 about 3 months ago after [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Barbara C. Any chance you have an infection going? No new meds, not even OTCs? How about your menstrual cycle? High stress time? Dehydrated? Priscilla > Any chance you have an infection going? No new meds, not even OTCs? > How about your menstrual cycle? High stress time? Dehydrated? > > Priscilla None I am aware of--too old for periods and also had a complete hysterectomy. Not dehydrated. Had a busy weekend--showing my dog two days, but actually I consider that getting away from stress, and got more exercise than usual running around the ring! I usually swim for my exercise (did that, too) and running (or attempting to) is more stressful, I guess. I have noted stress appears to affect my BG. Barbara C. > > Any chance you have an infection going? No new meds, not even OTCs? > > How about your menstrual cycle? High stress time? Dehydrated? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that, too) and running (or attempting to) is more stressful, I guess. I > have noted stress appears to affect my BG. Probably just dawn phenomenon then. Maybe work on refining your evening snack? What kind of dog? How'd you do in the show? Priscilla, de facto cat person, theoretical dog person ;-) We eat about 7--no evening snack. I have a Saluki. She won her class, reserve winners bitch, both days at the Fort Lauderdale show. I know if I want to get more serious I have to get someone else who can run to show her. I could show something like a pug where you just have to walk a little faster--but I am 72 with 2 knee replacements and a hip replacement, and run fast is not really in my vocabulary any more, and I am showing a Saluki which is the fastest mammal in the world at distances over 3 miles!!! Good motion is important in the show ring. Oh, well, we're both having fun! We also have a Dobey, and 4 house/outside cats and an indeterminate number of "barn cats" and 2 horses--retired old broodmares. We used to raise Arabians, and I used to show horses, and judge horses. Dogs are more affordable, though I can still ride, but a nice quiet "bomb proof" horse, which I don't really have. Barbara C. >> > Any chance you have an infection going? No new meds, not even OTCs? >> > How about your menstrual cycle? High stress time? Dehydrated? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Priscilla, de facto cat person, theoretical dog person ;-) > We eat about 7--no evening snack. You might want to try one and see how it affects your morning numbers. > I have a Saluki. She won her class, reserve winners bitch, both days at the > Fort Lauderdale show. Woo hoo! > I know if I want to get more serious I have to get > someone else who can run to show her. I could show something like a pug [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in the world at distances over 3 miles!!! Good motion is important in the > show ring. Oh, well, we're both having fun! That *is* the important thing, but getting a more mobile handler sounds like a good idea, too. > We also have a Dobey, and 4 house/outside cats and an indeterminate number > of "barn cats" and 2 horses--retired old broodmares. We used to raise > Arabians, and I used to show horses, and judge horses. Dogs are more > affordable, though I can still ride, but a nice quiet "bomb proof" horse, > which I don't really have. Your place sounds nice. I have a small house on the edge of the city with four indoor cats plus I help care for a small colony of ferals out back. I satisfy much of my dog-hunger by reading Susan Conant and other dog mystery writers. *sigh* Maybe when I retire.... Nice talking to you. Seriously -- look into the evening snack thing. Priscilla You're definitely the kind of cat owner I like. Indoor cats are a good thing. Beats seeing them flattened in the streets looking like animal rugs. :-) -- Cheri Priscilla Ballou wrote in message ... >Your place sounds nice. I have a small house on the edge of the city >with four indoor cats plus I help care for a small colony of ferals out [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Priscilla We have very little problem with that--none with the house/outdoor cats. Our property is fenced (10 acres) and while the cats can get through the gate, we have plenty of woodsy areas for them to hunt on our own side of the street! We also have very little traffic. We do have some problem with stray dogs killing cats, though, but that has improved since we put up a good gate. Problem is with 5 dogs on property that love cats our cats are not frightened by dogs until it is too late! We have spayed or neutered all the cats we can catch, but people keep dropping off more--usually pregnant females. Barbara C. > You're definitely the kind of cat owner I like. Indoor cats are a good > thing. Beats seeing them flattened in the streets looking like animal [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >>Priscilla Yes, it sounds like you don't live in a busy town. Here, there are run over cats in the street quite often. I'm not a cat person, but I always think it's a shame when that happens to an animal, if the animal was owned by someone. Feral cats are a different matter, since nobody really has control over them most times. -- Cheri Barbara Carlson wrote in message <5uSdnRCDqIJsw4LZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@snappydsl.net>... >We have very little problem with that--none with the house/outdoor cats. >Our property is fenced (10 acres) and while the cats can get through the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>> >>>Priscilla If I snack before bedtime I do not sleep as well, and it doesn't help the weight problem. I am overweight. Have lost 15 pounds since I was diagnosed, but it is a struggle and I need to lose a lot more. I really have trouble finding snacks. My lunch usually consists of peanut butter on celery which is fine with blood sugar, but not that easily digested before bed. I always snacked on fruit before! Barbara C. >> We eat about 7--no evening snack. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Priscilla >If I snack before bedtime I do not sleep as well, and it doesn't help the >weight problem. I am overweight. Have lost 15 pounds since I was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Barbara C. You do not say what your bedtime snacks have been. Ours is usually a small cup of hot chocolate made with 2% milk and Nestle's Quick and a small cinnamon/raisin roll (as in about the size of a deck of cards). The warm chocolate milk does very well at making us sleepy and the carbs seem to carry pretty well through the night. There is nothing there to cause any indigestion or the like. Sleepy time tea works well, but there aren't any carbs there so I would be looking at higher morning numbers.  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 16, 2006 is 2,318. Americans wounded = 16,653 as of 02/07/2006 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 20, 2006 It has been 1054 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." Things that do not cause indigestion when younger can be problematic when you are older (I am 72). I just find if I do not eat anything in the couple of hours before bedtime I sleep better! I do sometimes have a cup of tea--but I like my tea with honey and lemon. Somehow tea just doesn't taste the same without honey. Sometimes I will eat a cookie with my tea though and it doesn't seem to send the blood sugar up. Barbara C. >>If I snack before bedtime I do not sleep as well, and it doesn't help the >>weight problem. I am overweight. Have lost 15 pounds since I was [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > well, but there aren't any carbs there so I would be looking at higher > morning numbers. > Things that do not cause indigestion when younger can be problematic when > you are older (I am 72). I just find if I do not eat anything in the couple > of hours before bedtime I sleep better! Barbara, I have trouble sleeping, too, if I eat something that elevates my bg before bed. A small protein snack, however, keeps my fbg nice and low and doesn't cause sleeplessness. I do sometimes have a cup of > tea--but I like my tea with honey and lemon. Somehow tea just doesn't taste > the same without honey. Sometimes I will eat a cookie with my tea though > and it doesn't seem to send the blood sugar up. Honey and a cookie is pretty much guaranteed to raise bg and may have something to do with those morning numbers. Susan : If I snack before bedtime I do not sleep as well, and it doesn't help the : weight problem. I am overweight. Have lost 15 pounds since I was : diagnosed, but it is a struggle and I need to lose a lot more. I really : have trouble finding snacks. My lunch usually consists of peanut butter on : celery which is fine with blood sugar, but not that easily digested before : bed. I always snacked on fruit before! Love yur animal collection. I never owned, but once knew a saluki during a summer vacation. remarkable dog and boy could she run! As to the snack. it shudl have a little slow carb and a bit of fat. I think the heory is that this revents your going low and rebounding with a release of gucagon from the liver in the AM. something like a Wasa=whole ry cracker with a bit of sheese or peanut butter on it, 5-7 grams of slower acting carb, slowed further by the cheese or peanut butter. Ann alternative woudl be a handful (but keep it small) of almonds or other nuts. Calrie dense, so waatch the quantity. Some people swear by this to keep blood sugars down in the AM. You definitely, do not have to stuff yurself to get this benefit:-) Welxome to the club you never wanted to join, but do keep posting and reading and learning. By the way, have yu seen an opthamologist since your diagnoses for a dilated eye exam? Thi is important to check for any diabetic retinopathy or at lest, to be a base line for ufuture exams. As yu may be able to tell from my typing, I am not only a poor typict, who can't use her spell checker, but have vision problems so I can't even see al the mistakes. Wendy >By the way, have yu seen an opthamologist since your diagnoses for a >dilated eye exam? Thi is important to check for any diabetic retinopathy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Wendy Hello, dear Wendy How are you tonight? I hope you are OK... I do know about the vision problems... Unless they have had them, most people just do not realize.... It is truly scary to wake up one day and realize you cannot see.... Please take care.... You are very much in my thoughts and prayers. Will, T2 I generally see an optometrist (who does do a dilated eye exam and check pressures, etc.) yearly. I do plan to ask my doctor if I should see an ophthalmologist instead. I have noticed some vision changes occasionally, and do have cataracts, very small, not recommended for surgery yet. Barbara C. >>By the way, have yu seen an opthamologist since your diagnoses for a >>dilated eye exam? Thi is important to check for any diabetic retinopathy [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Will, T2 >I generally see an optometrist (who does do a dilated eye exam and check >pressures, etc.) yearly. I do plan to ask my doctor if I should see an >ophthalmologist instead. I have noticed some vision changes occasionally, >and do have cataracts, very small, not recommended for surgery yet. YES YOU SHOULD see an ophthalmologist. And the sooner the better. Optometrists are fine for some things, but NOT for looking at/for diabetic eye damage. ESPECIALLY if you already have any problems -- whether or not diabetes-related. Was it the optometrist who said your cataracts aren't ready for surgery yet? You should get an ophthalmologist's opinion on that as well. JMO. bj On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:12:02 -0500, "Barbara Carlson" <bbcarlson@snappydsl.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >I generally see an optometrist (who does do a dilated eye exam and check >pressures, etc.) yearly. I do plan to ask my doctor if I should see an >ophthalmologist instead. I have noticed some vision changes occasionally, >and do have cataracts, very small, not recommended for surgery yet. > >Barbara C. I saw optometrists since I was kid. They always did dilated eye exams. They always told me that my eyes were great shape and showed NO signs of damage what so ever. They all knew that I was diabetic since I was 8. A couple of years ago both of my eyes started to hemorrhage. The blood blocked my field of vision in both eyes. Not completely. I went in to see my endo, easiest doc for me to get access to and he sent me straight from his office to the ophthalmologist across the street from the hospital where he works. The next day I was having laser surgery done on one eye. Then when the bandages came off I immediately had the other done. I had to be sent to a retina specialist because the right eye kept getting worse. After 2 vitrectomies (removal of the fluid from the eye) and having my damaged retina reattached, partial vision was restored in that eye. Thankfully I still have the left eye working correctly or I would be drawing disability and going through retraining to find some other way to support myself. NEVER trust the word of a guy whose main source of income is selling prescriptions for glasses. An optometrist is NOT qualified to detect, diagnose or even treat any disease of the eye, especially one related to diabetes. All of the specialists I have seen have told me the same thing over and over again. If I had seen an ophthalmologist even once in the previous 20 years I could have avoided loosing the vision in my eye. Diabetics, regardless of type, need to see an Ophthalmologist soon after diagnosis to establish a base line for their visual health and then be seen at least once every year after that. Less ONLY if the ophthalmologist says that yearly exams are not needed based on visual health AND over all diabetic control. The damage to our eyes does not begin suddenly nor does it begin within the field of vision that would alert us to the changes going on. It starts slowly, outside the filed of vision and progresses until it damages our field of vision. By that time when we actually notice it and finally go in to have something done about it, there are no promises that we can stop or reverse the damage. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:12:02 -0500, "Barbara Carlson" > <bbcarlson@snappydsl.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > notice it and finally go in to have something done about it, there are > no promises that we can stop or reverse the damage. Like most things with diabetes, and in the case of our eyes even moreso, early detection is key. None of us likes to face the realities of what damage this disease can do so it's a natural reaction to want to ignore things. But it just ain't smart. Go see an eye specialist ASAP. The "you" 10 years from no will be very thankful that you did! Best, Kurt > I saw optometrists since I was kid. They always did dilated eye > exams. They always told me that my eyes were great shape and showed [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > drawing disability and going through retraining to find some other way > to support myself. Hi Mack, Thanks for sharing this. I had no idea.... You have really had a hard time. I hope your vision problems have stabilized now, and there is no danger to your remaining good eye. Will, T2 >> I saw optometrists since I was kid. They always did dilated eye >> exams. They always told me that my eyes were great shape and showed [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Will, T2 so far no more deterioration. And for the most part, my brain has unconsciously adjusted for the loss of vision in the other eye. It's most noticeable when I am really tired after working for more than 15 to 16 hours in a day. I am actually due in a month for my regular exam. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . : I generally see an optometrist (who does do a dilated eye exam and check : pressures, etc.) yearly. I do plan to ask my doctor if I should see an : ophthalmologist instead. I have noticed some vision changes occasionally, : and do have cataracts, very small, not recommended for surgery yet. : Barbara C. Some changes in vision are normal as blood sugars change, so don't get new glasses until your numbers are stable. Do see an opthamologist early on, as I said earlier, if for nothing other than to have a base line. In addition, diabetic retina problems can develop before diagnosis or even early in the post diagnosis period. Wendy : >By the way, have yu seen an opthamologist since your diagnoses for a : >dilated eye exam? Thi is important to check for any diabetic retinopathy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : > : >Wendy : Hello, dear Wendy : How are you tonight? I hope you are OK... : I do know about the vision problems... Unless they have had them, : most people just do not realize.... It is truly scary to wake up one : day and realize you cannot see.... : Please take care.... You are very much in my thoughts and prayers. : Will, T2 Thank yu Will, I am about the same, but gettingg used to a new, not only computer, but whole system. I now have a tiny Mac to replace 2 elderly PC's at two detinaitions. I will be able to move this weeny one back and forth, plugging it into my peripherals at both location. This will take some doing ans my son (the Mac one, of course) is helping me tranlate my files to the new system so I can read and use all the stuff I write, etc. I like the feel of the new keyboard, adn its white color is much brighter than m old gray one, but I will, probably , get some stickers with darker and larger letters . I see the eye guys again next Turesday adn will see if the visin is still oleing as to whether I need a new tretment or not. I co't think the change, if present, is much, in any event. Wendy Thanks for all the advice about the ophthalmologist. I definitely intended to talk to my primary about this. Now I just have to convince his office to give me a referral, but in the meantime I will do a little research about who is the best to see. I work as a medical transcriptionist, so have good access to some good medical advice and will ask around about who to see that is on my HMO and get a referral. I can find out who my doctors go to! Barbara C. > : If I snack before bedtime I do not sleep as well, and it doesn't help > the [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Wendy > We eat about 7--no evening snack. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Barbara C. Salukis are terrific dogs, aren't they? They are the mascot of Southern Illinois University (about 20 miles from here) my husband's alma mater. I have Maltese, but I don't show them. Roxie and Winston had their first litter a week or so ago. Got a box full of puppies on the floor near me right now. LOL Jeanie The not eating the evening snack is the problem. Also I didnt see any carbs with your meal. I also have some kind of carb whether it be a three ounce potato, some pasta, some brown rice, etc. If you have no carbs then the liver has to produce the glucose to protect you from going low. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. There was some bacon (I know more fat than carbs) and some cheese, and I did have a glass of skim milk which I hadn't mentioned. I am a milk drinker, and I have cut way back on what I drink, but totally giving up milk is not an option. There were also some sesame seeds sprinkled on--I think that comes in the carb group, not sure. Barbara C. > The not eating the evening snack is the problem. Also I didnt see any > carbs with your meal. I also have some kind of carb whether it be a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. > There was some bacon (I know more fat than carbs) and some cheese, and I did > have a glass of skim milk which I hadn't mentioned. I am a milk drinker, > and I have cut way back on what I drink, but totally giving up milk is not > an option. There were also some sesame seeds sprinkled on--I think that > comes in the carb group, not sure. Barbara, skim milk is pretty high in fast acting carbs from lactose. Sesame seeds are very low carb and heart healthy, loaded with fiber and good oils. What is a typical day of meals for you, if it's not too much trouble, and have you considered tracking your food and using Jennifer's advice to newbies to identify your problem foods? You may find that you feel so much better that it's a self reinforcing exercise, even if it sounds tedious upon first read. Susan I am tracking foods trying to find what I can eat and what I cannot. Breakfast is a big problem. I usually have, and I know it is not ideal, but I have a half a bagel with cream cheese and a generous portion of lox (smoked salmon) and a cup of coffee. It does NOT send my BG soaring at all. I can just eat so many eggs. I thought oatmeal might be okay, but it sent my BG way up--far more than the bagel/cheese/lox does. What else is there to eat for breakfast? I usually have some peanut butter on celery for lunch. Dinner varies widely. I have cut out rice. I have one glass of milk, usually with dinner, but sometimes with the peanut butter and celery. Milk is not sending the numbers up. Any kind of whole grain breads send the numbers spiking. I'm trying to have some fruit with dinner because of the constipation problem. Strawberries, raspberries (can't afford either often) pineapple seems pretty good. I just try to keep it in moderation. I don't eat sweets (well maybe a little whip cream on the strawberries)--don't like most sweets. I have tried things like Glucerna bars, or Dr. Atkins, and aside from the fact that they taste AWFUL (way too sweet for my taste) they do send the BG up. I'm also trying to lose weight, so have to watch the fats. I know peanut butter is high calories, but it also seems to calm down the hunger. I really miss crackers--is there such a thing as a low-carb cracker ? I found some crackers--whole wheat and some rice ones--that were 15 crackers for 19 carbs, and thought maybe I could have a few of those--but 3 or 4 sent up the BG. Dinner tonight was eat out--had lamb chops, a nice salad, and 1/2 a baked potato. BG 141 1 1/2 hours later. Last night I had one hot dog on a slice of low-carb (4 grams) bread and some homemade Boston Baked Beans. I like chicken. Tomorrow it will be corned beef and cabbage with vegetables thrown in with it (onion, potato, parsnips) So that is the kind of thing. I'm being very conscious of portion control because of the weight thing--have lost 15 pounds in 3 months so far. I do exercise daily--usually swimming. Arthritis is too bad to do much other type of exercise, but I am gradually increasing my walking as pain will allow. (have 2 knee replacements and a hip replacement--but it is my back that bothers me most with exercise other than swimming, but have a routine of back exercises I do daily--mostly stretching type). My job is sitting in front of a computer way too many hours. I am a medical transcriptionist, probably spend 5 or 6 hours at the computer a day, sometimes more (could be 10 or 12 on rare occasions) sometimes less. I try to get up and move around every 30 minutes or so, even if briefly. There you have it. Would sure like some breakfast suggestions! Barbara C. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Susan Crunchy crackery... substitute it for your bagel at breakfast! Wasa Fiber Rye. http://us.wasa.com/Wasa/smpage.fwx?page=595&group=1137&product=1138&main=products 7g of carbs per slice 2g of fiber For a net of 5g per slice. Jennifer > I am tracking foods trying to find what I can eat and what I cannot. > Breakfast is a big problem. I usually have, and I know it is not ideal, but [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >> >>Susan Hmmm.... I like those, too, but so far anything similar has not checked out well with the BG. However, it is something to test and I'll be most happy if it works out. I miss my crackers. Not sure I can give up the bagels--at least once in a while! Thanks for the suggestion. Barbara C. > Crunchy crackery... substitute it for your bagel at breakfast! > [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] >>> >>>Susan >There you have it. Would sure like some breakfast suggestions! Try these. BTW - this morning was a little chopped onion, capsicum(peppers), celery, and broccoli fried lightly in a spoonful of olive oil until just softening, then I added 50gms canned pink salmon, then poured over an egg lightly beaten with a little water and some thai fish sauce. I added a grating of cheese, put it under the grill(broiler) and ate it direct from the little cast-iron skillet (on a trivet) when the cheese started bubbling and browning. Delicious; FBG 5.9(106), 1hr PP 6.4(165). Breakfasts With Minimal Carbs 1. Egg. The humble egg can be cooked in so many ways: poached, fried (minimal oil in a non-stick pan), normal omelette (beat it lightly while cooking), fluffy omelette (seperate, whip the white with a spoonful of water, fold back with filling and yolk), scrambled with a little milk, frittata (sort of a heavier omelette with filling), and baked. Use fillings, cheese, fresh herbs if you can, dried if you can't. 2. Meat. Bacon, Ham, small steak, hamburger patty (watch the fat), chicken, prosciutto, hot dogs and so on. Can be fried, grilled/broiled, chopped after cooking and added to omelettes, frittata or scrambled eggs. For bacon or other fatty meats, drain on absorbent paper before serving. 3. Fish. Smoked, canned or fresh. Can be poached, fried, as a mornay (easy on the thickener), mixed in a stir-fry etc. Same for seafood. 4. Mushrooms. Small ones can be sliced and cooked with onions, herbs , garlic etc and a little oil and a smidgin of flour for a gravy. Large ones can be filled with bolognaise or napoli sauce (or whatever you like), topped with grated cheese and baked in the oven. Also another good omelette filling. 5. Casseroles and stews - beef, lamb, chicken, mince (ground beef) etc can be pre-prepared and divided into individual breakfast sized serves. Put them in small plastic containers in the freezer and zap one in the microwave for breakfast. Check the carbs in the recipe to check suitability. Beef bourgignon, Irish Stew (watch the spuds), chicken fricassee, whatever your favourite is. Always test at 1 hr the first time with casseroles - thickeners are usually the carb culprits for high BGs. 6. Leftovers - slices of roast meat, re-heated or cold, re-heated chops etc Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. I'm not much of a vegetable lover, and that takes a lot of time! But, it might work for a "once-in-a-while" breakfast. Barbara C. >>There you have it. Would sure like some breakfast suggestions! > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > d&e, metformin 2x500mg >I'm not much of a vegetable lover, and that takes a lot of time! But, it >might work for a "once-in-a-while" breakfast. Time is relative. Often, it depends on how you employ it. Preparation - less than five minutes cutting while the skillet heated. There is only the equivalent of a tablespoon of each vege. Then the veges were sauteed for less than five minutes with an occasional stir while the grill was heated; beating the egg, opening the salmon and adding the fishoil was less than three minutes while that was happening. In between times I turned on the computer and did the normal "wake up the house" things - opening blinds, doors etc. And prepared the coffee doodad. When the timer beeped to remind me I added the cheese, put the thing under the griller and set the timer to another five minutes; the coffee-maker then goes on the gas. While it's coooking, off to the computer to start downloading newsgroups, Yahoo groups, and emails now that AVG has done it's morning thing. Fifteen minutes after commencing breakfast, I was sitting here checking messages as I ate it and drank my java. Time is relative:-) However, this morning I couldn't be bothered so I just fried a rasher of bacon and an egg. I didn't check fasting, but an hour later I'm 6.2. Oh - and becoming a vegetable lover is a survival trait for type 2 diabetics. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg It's amazing what you can learn to like once you realise that your life depends on it. Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. If loving vegetables is necessary for survival I am doomed. I have tried for years to love veggies! It doesn't work. I can manage a few, but the ones I like most are the most starchy ones and carrots are strictly for horses! Just got back from dinner out with friends and managed to bypass the rolls, had duck some broccoli, and about half of the potato. No desert. Barbara C. >>I'm not much of a vegetable lover, and that takes a lot of time! But, it >>might work for a "once-in-a-while" breakfast. [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > you realise that your life depends on it. > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > I am tracking foods trying to find what I can eat and what I cannot. > Breakfast is a big problem. I usually have, and I know it is not ideal, but > I have a half a bagel with cream cheese and a generous portion of lox > (smoked salmon) and a cup of coffee. It does NOT send my BG soaring at all. Hi, Barbara. Your numbers tend to run high, if I recall, so not soaring is good, but may not be the best you can do. I buy low carb sesame or everything bagels from the bagel store, cut them in half, scoop out the dough, spread cream cheese in the shell and put lots of smoked salmon on that. Just a tip. > I can just eat so many eggs. I thought oatmeal might be okay, but it sent > my BG way up--far more than the bagel/cheese/lox does. What else is there > to eat for breakfast? Breakfast is the toughest meal for low carbers. You may need to get creative. If you like hot cereal, buy some flax seeds, grind them in the morning and add hot water; it's almost pure fiber, too, a lot more than you can get from berries. You can mix it with some chopped nuts or low carb granola, too. Some of this stuff you can buy in a health food store, all of it online. Some of us eat dinner leftovers for breakfast. Some make protein shakes with milk and/or yogurt and frozen berries with protein powder. Some make crustless quiche and have that for breakfast. I've got a recipe for high fiber low carb flax muffins to share if you'd like it. Cottage cheese with a few berries, or plain, whole milk yogurt with a little fruit, with or without cottage cheese is an easy breakfast. > I usually have some peanut butter on celery for > lunch. Dinner varies widely. I have cut out rice. I have one glass of > milk, usually with dinner, but sometimes with the peanut butter and celery. > Milk is not sending the numbers up. Any kind of whole grain breads send the > numbers spiking. Have you tried whole kernel rye, the really dense German stuff? Or the Baker brand flax or bran bread? Very high fiber. Damascus makes a really good, soft low carb flax rollup, or wrap, see if your store will carry it. Toufayan makes a soft LC pita bread. I'm trying to have some fruit with dinner because of the > constipation problem. Strawberries, raspberries (can't afford either often) > pineapple seems pretty good. I just try to keep it in moderation. I don't > eat sweets (well maybe a little whip cream on the strawberries)--don't like > most sweets. I have tried things like Glucerna bars, or Dr. Atkins, and > aside from the fact that they taste AWFUL (way too sweet for my taste) they > do send the BG up. They are gross, and the Glucerna is made to raisge bg in type 1s, so it's no good for you. > I'm also trying to lose weight, so have to watch the fats. I know peanut > butter is high calories, but it also seems to calm down the hunger. If it calms down hunger, it will help you lose weight. I > really miss crackers--is there such a thing as a low-carb cracker ? I found > some crackers--whole wheat and some rice ones--that were 15 crackers for 19 > carbs, and thought maybe I could have a few of those--but 3 or 4 sent up the > BG. The only crackers I can think of that are lower than that taste kind of like shredded box tops; they're called Bran a Crisp. You can try Wasa Light Fiber Rye. Dinner tonight was eat out--had lamb chops, a nice salad, and 1/2 a > baked potato. BG 141 1 1/2 hours later. Last night I had one hot dog on a > slice of low-carb (4 grams) bread and some homemade Boston Baked Beans. I > like chicken. Tomorrow it will be corned beef and cabbage with vegetables > thrown in with it (onion, potato, parsnips) So that is the kind of thing. > I'm being very conscious of portion control because of the weight > thing--have lost 15 pounds in 3 months so far. Wow, great results, you're really working at this thing! I do exercise daily--usually > swimming. Arthritis is too bad to do much other type of exercise, but I am > gradually increasing my walking as pain will allow. (have 2 knee [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > There you have it. Would sure like some breakfast suggestions! See above. Hang around, you'll pick up lots of ideas and support here. And maybe google the low carb group for breakfast ideas. Susan My FBGs run high, but my postprandials, if I am reasonably careful, are not bad at all. I have not been able to find low-carb bagels, and have looked. Probably if I went up to Miami, but that's too far to go for bagels. And, if they taste like the low-carb breads then I might as well give them up altogether! Barbara C. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > Susan > My FBGs run high, but my postprandials, if I am reasonably careful, are not > bad at all. I have not been able to find low-carb bagels, and have looked. Oh, you're in FL? There aren't any good bagels to be had! You could order from Bagel Biz in NY, or Bagel Boss. They're not actually low carb, though, because a half will spike me, but half scooped doesn't. > Probably if I went up to Miami, but that's too far to go for bagels. And, > if they taste like the low-carb breads then I might as well give them up > altogether! Actually, the ones I buy taste almost exactly like the regulars, especially wiht the doughy part scooped out. If I were going up to Miami, it'd be for stone crab or Cuban food, not bagels! If your 1 hr. numbers are good, that's great news. If your fasting is lousy, try a small protein snack before bed. Susan Oh, we have wonderful bagels--just not low carb! Barbara C. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Susan > Oh, we have wonderful bagels--just not low carb! If you think they're wonderful, who'm I to tell you how crappy they really are? ;-P Susan <NYer who's eaten too many So. Fl. bagels> They you haven't bought them where I do! I've had bagels in New York and NJ, but these are every bit as good. Now, I've bought bagels here that aren't great, but they may them fresh at Norman Brothers Produce and if you don't get there early they are gone. Barbara C. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Susan <NYer who's eaten too many So. Fl. bagels> >After a couple of days of higher than target BG readings, despite reasonable >diet, Hi Barbara Define your "reasonable diet" :-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. That particular night a salad with some bacon, a glass of milk (skim) and some cheese and sesame seeds on the salad--salad was mostly from our garden--greens, tomatoes, etc. Barbara C. >>After a couple of days of higher than target BG readings, despite >>reasonable [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > d&e, metformin 2x500mg >That particular night a salad with some bacon, a glass of milk (skim) and >some cheese and sesame seeds on the salad--salad was mostly from our >garden--greens, tomatoes, etc. > >Barbara C. And the morning and lunch? What were your BGs after each meal? As you've found by now, skim milk has carbs, it's only the fat (cream) that's been removed. Although, even allowing for that, your dinner shouldn't have been a signifiscant problem. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Barbara,I am pretty sure I am just parroting what others have told you about dawn phenomenon or what we lovingly call liver dump. During the night your liver dumps glucose to cover any lows you might have. Do you have a bedtimne snack. If you have a carb and a protein, like a couple of crackers with peanut butter you might that this morning number will be lower. I think we have all lived it here in this group Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. |
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