I am a Type II diabetic, currently taking Avandia and Metformin twice
a day. I am considering asking my endocrinologist about not taking
Avandia any longer. I'm curious about how many Type II diabetics take
Metformin only? I hear anecdotes from other diabetics how Avandia may
add about 10 pounds in weight due to possible water retention? I've
also heard the news about possible macular edema. Any comments?
Thanks,
Linda
Alan S - 20 Mar 2006 07:10 GMT
>I am a Type II diabetic, currently taking Avandia and Metformin twice
>a day. I am considering asking my endocrinologist about not taking
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>Thanks,
>Linda
You'll find quite a few here, and some who take no diabetes
meds.
It depends on your personal medical situation; ask your endo
as intended. Read this first, it may assist minimising the
meds need:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 2x500mg

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Julie Bove - 20 Mar 2006 07:33 GMT
> I am a Type II diabetic, currently taking Avandia and Metformin twice
> a day. I am considering asking my endocrinologist about not taking
> Avandia any longer. I'm curious about how many Type II diabetics take
> Metformin only? I hear anecdotes from other diabetics how Avandia may
> add about 10 pounds in weight due to possible water retention? I've
> also heard the news about possible macular edema. Any comments?
I took Metformin alone for a while. Now I take Amaryl along with it. I
would not take Avandia or Actos. Just would not.

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ankalime - 20 Mar 2006 12:45 GMT
>I am a Type II diabetic, currently taking Avandia and Metformin twice a
>day. I am considering asking my endocrinologist about not taking Avandia
>any longer. I'm curious about how many Type II diabetics take Metformin
>only? I hear anecdotes from other diabetics how Avandia may add about 10
>pounds in weight due to possible water retention? I've also heard the news
>about possible macular edema. Any comments?
I'm a T2 on Avandia and metformin. In the first year I was on the
combination, I also lost 30 pounds on a carb-restricted diet (which I'm
still on to control BGs). In the same year, I had surgery for glaucoma on
both eyes and developed macular edema in one, but as a complication of the
surgery.
Just my experience... in comparison to the advice of your doctor, it means
very little. Just out of curiosity, are you wanting to just be off a second
medication, or would you consider a second medication other than Avandia?
Cindy
Susan - 20 Mar 2006 13:34 GMT
> I am a Type II diabetic, currently taking Avandia and Metformin twice
> a day. I am considering asking my endocrinologist about not taking
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> Thanks,
> Linda
I take metformin only. Not due to weight concerns.
Susan
W.M.McKee - 20 Mar 2006 14:05 GMT
>I am a Type II diabetic, currently taking Avandia and Metformin twice
>a day. I am considering asking my endocrinologist about not taking
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>Thanks,
>Linda
I am now partly blind in one eye, and I am persuaded it is due to
avandamet.... I never will know for sure..... I would not advise
anyone to take that stuff.
Will, T2
oldal4865 - 20 Mar 2006 15:00 GMT
Linda wrote in message ...
>I am a Type II diabetic, currently taking Avandia and Metformin twice
>a day. I am considering asking my endocrinologist about not taking
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Thanks,
>Linda
A lot of docs recommend a progression in meds:
1. First, max out on metformin (2500 mg/day), then,
2. If you need more anti-Insulin Resistance med, ADD Actos or Avandia
3. If you need more bG control, add insulin to your anti-Insulin
Resistance therapy. One common therapy is a single shot of slow-acting
lasting insulin at bedtime.
Metformin has less of a risk of dangerous side effects then Actos or Avandia
though the G.I. upset that some (many ?) suffer from may seem severe enough
to them. AFAIK, metformin is the most common T2 med worldwide.
Hint: if maxing out your metformin dose produces bloating, nausea and
diarrhea; try to somehow separate the metformin from any carb in your gut.
Metformin tends to inhibit carb digestion and the carb then ferments. You
will have to use your imagination somehow to accomplish this. One way:
metformin + zero carb snack followed some time later by regular meal.
Insulin is the 800-lb gorilla of blood glucose (bG) control but does very
little for chronic Insulin Resistance** If you do suspect high Insulin
Resistance, a very powerful one-two punch is metformin plus insulin.
Folks who have tried it are very happy with the results.
(**High bG by itself causes Insulin Resistance. Clinical trials have
demonstrated that adding Insulin will reduce I.R. in folks who have been
"running high" in bG. However, once the insulin has knocked your sugars
down, most folks need additional anti-Insulin Resistance therapy of some
sort to finish the job of pushing their I.R. into safe zones.)
Regards
Old Al
James E. - 20 Mar 2006 17:01 GMT
I am surprised you did not include Glyburide in your list. My doctor added
5mg to metformin when 2000 mg metformin only did not seem to do the job.
Glyburide does not seem to have many side effects.

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> Linda wrote in message ...
>>I am a Type II diabetic, currently taking Avandia and Metformin twice
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> Regards
> Old Al
oldal4865 - 20 Mar 2006 20:34 GMT
James E. wrote in message ...
>I am surprised you did not include Glyburide in your list. My doctor added
>5mg to metformin when 2000 mg metformin only did not seem to do the job.
>Glyburide does not seem to have many side effects.
>
>--
>James
My readings of the medical sites are not that favorable towards Glyburide
and the other beta stimulators.
They are very convenient, very powerful, mostly inexpensive meds for
controlling blood sugars but the medical sites are reporting evidence that:
1. They have an overall damaging effect on beta cells, contributing
to their premature death
2. There is fragmentary evidence that the sulfonylurea beta
stimulators raise the already high T2 risk of premature heart attack. I
haven't seen any such reports on the meglitinide beta stimulators (Starlix
and Prandin).
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/521964?sssdmh=dm1.178587&src=nldne
"NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Jan 20 - The findings from a new
study by researchers in Canada lend further support to the
controversial belief that sulfonylurea drugs increase
mortality in patients with diabetes. . . ."
Not totally compelling yet but reason to think twice about using them.
Regards
Old Al
sharppointy1 - 20 Mar 2006 16:05 GMT
Hi Linda
I am also T2. When first diagnosed I controlled my BS w diet,
exercise, metformin & amaryl. After I lost some weight, I was able to
be on metformin alone for a couple of years. I became lax with my diet
& exercise, gained weight, and started Actos w the metformin - got
severe headaches. Switched to Avandia, and had good BS numbers, but
after a year on the Avandia & metformin combo I developed edema (total
body swelling from water retention) & had to stop the Avandia. I then
did several months of metformin alone again. My blood sugars sucked,
as my eating was out of control and I was not exercising. Also,
metformin alone gave me difficulties with diarrhea.
I don't know if I could have gotten control again while just taking
metformin. I gained weight up to 200 lbs, and saw my A1c rise because
I was out of control. I restarted exercising and better food intake,
but was plagued by an out of control appetite. 5 months ago I began
Byetta, and its side effect of appetite suppression has been a God send
for me.
I hope your experience is different/better than mine.
Barbara
oldal4865 - 20 Mar 2006 20:23 GMT
sharppointy1 wrote in message
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>Hi Linda
>I am also T2. . . .(snip). . .
5 months ago I began Byetta, and its side effect of appetite
> suppression has been a Godsend for me. . . . .
>
>Barbara
The local CDE are asserting at our Diabetes Support Group meetings that
Byetta has been a "life-changing" experience for many of their patients
(clients ?).
That's lower sugars, lower appetites, weight loss and improved HbA1c
type of "life-changing" experiences.
Regards
Old Al
Linda - 21 Mar 2006 05:10 GMT
Uhoh. I replied to a couple of you directly instead of to the Group.
I apologize for that. That's why I usually lurk and don't post.
Linda
> sharppointy1 wrote in message
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> Regards
> Old Al
Ozgirl - 21 Mar 2006 10:24 GMT
> Uhoh. I replied to a couple of you directly instead of to the Group.
> I apologize for that. That's why I usually lurk and don't post.
> Linda
Lol. Sorry, had to laugh, considering the email address you
give ;) But please don't let a couple of stuff-ups hold you
back or send you back to lurkdom. Only worry when you send
an email to a friend into a newsgroup by mistake :)
Shawn Hirn - 20 Mar 2006 16:58 GMT
> I am a Type II diabetic, currently taking Avandia and Metformin twice
> a day. I am considering asking my endocrinologist about not taking
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Thanks,
> Linda
Me. I took a similar combination for the first year that I had diabetes.
I am into my second year now. I took one Avandia tablet each morning
with 500mg of Metformin, plus another 500mg of Metformin every night. My
diabetes is well controlled so my primary care physician told me to drop
the Avandia, but I still take 500mg of Metformin twice a day.
After about 12 weeks of dropping the Avandia, my doctor had me do a H1B
test and it was 5.4. I know another doctor at a nearby hospital who
specializes in diabetes research, so just after I had the H1B test that
my doctor prescribed through a blood lab, the doctor I know did an
in-house H1B test on me using a fancy gadget she uses for her research
and that test was exactly the same as the one my doctor prescribed.
I am hoping that after I have my next check up that I will be able to
drop the Metformin too and also reduce the 40mg dosage of Zokor that I
take every night. I have lost around 18 pounds since my previous
doctor's visit (thanks to Weight Watchers) and I have reduced my
saturated fat consumption by around 90%. I am also getting more
exercise.