I have a OneTouch Ultra meter system. I understand that they claim meter
accuracy of +/- 20%. My problem started when I started a new vial of strips
and it seemed like my BG's went up 5-10 points. At one point I double
checked my BG on a contour meter and found 5point lower reading, which would
have been more my expected reading. So, I did some analysis:
Code Number: 15
Range of Values with Check Solution: 99 - 132
The average value of this range is 115.5
So, I ran a check strip (actually ran 2 but didn't shake the liquid whic, as
it turns out, is very important) and got 123. My conclusion: at a BG of
115.5 I will read 123, or 7.5 points higher (6.5% higher).
If I translated my readings by the 6.5% mean offset I discovered that my
numbers were just like the previous vial. I didn't check strip the previous
vile but I did check strip one from the same box and got 118, very close to
the mean.
My conclusion is that I will have elevated readings for the next 75-99
readings due to this error and the fact that all strips in a box will most
likely be similar.
I know what you are thinking, there is error in the meter... yadda yadda
yadda. Shure, but I say it is small because the range in values for the
check solution for a single code already represents a +/- 14.3% variation.
If the +/-20% is held it allows for a fairly small variation for the meter.
Also, the +/- 20% is held across all meters so I think that any 1 given
meter should be more accurate on a sample to sample basis than if you used a
different meter for each reading.
Another check I made was to use the OneTouch for a reading and got 116. I
used the contour meter at the same time and got 111. The computed value,
based upon the 116 should have been 108. Pretty close, even with meter to
meter variation.
Why is this important? 2 reasons:
1. Anal Retentive data takers like me notice a rise of 5-7 points when we
spot it. I hate the bigger numbers and am striving to get my averages down.
I am serious about this.
2. Low numbers... Mine have never made me hypo, yet! My previous low was
85. I had one number today (after missing lunch and a metformin pill) of
87. 87 doesn't bother me but if my theory is correct, an 87 computes to an
81, which would be an all-time low.
Note that, with a different vial of strips which creates low readings you
could get fooled as well. What do you think? Is my new "computed BG"
method based upon test strip performance and check solution worthy of
consideration? I definitely think there is something to it.
I am compiling a spreadsheet of codes/ranges/readings and a conversion
table. So far I am just starting. In a few months I should have more data.
-Sax
I know I am nuts with this stuff, I'll get over it eventually.
TigerLily - 20 Mar 2006 02:54 GMT
i test my Ultra against the lab readings for a FBG
the Ultra has always been within .1 pts of the lab
readings or 1.8 pts for you US folks
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> I have a OneTouch Ultra meter system. I understand that they claim meter
> accuracy of +/- 20%. My problem started when I started a new vial of strips
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> -Sax
> I know I am nuts with this stuff, I'll get over it eventually.
David - 20 Mar 2006 02:55 GMT
> I have a OneTouch Ultra meter system. I understand that they claim meter
> accuracy of +/- 20%. My problem started when I started a new vial of strips
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> -Sax
> I know I am nuts with this stuff, I'll get over it eventually.
Rather than read all your data, I skimmed and came to this conclusion:
The Ultra meter is one of the best out there, and the differences you
saw will exist in some batches of strips. it's unlikely a different
Ultra would read those strips differently. Pat yourself on the back for
not using a BD Logic meter.
Dave
Jenny - 20 Mar 2006 15:17 GMT
> 2. Low numbers... Mine have never made me hypo, yet! My previous low was
> 85. I had one number today (after missing lunch and a metformin pill) of
> 87. 87 doesn't bother me but if my theory is correct, an 87 computes to an
> 81, which would be an all-time low.
81 isn't a low. It's normal. It only feels low because you've been high
for a long, long time.
Lows start south of 70 mg/dl.
Also, I'm not sure you can trust the calibration method you've come up
with. I had two defective Aviva meters which both read right smack in
the middle of the reference range with control solution. I took one to
the lab and it was 49 mg/dl high. My second Aviva meter reads in the
center of the reference range but the readings rarely match my Ultra
and can be off as much as 20 mg/dl. More importantly, they aren't off by
any consistent amount. One reading may be within 2 mg/dl of the Ultra
and the next within 20 mg/dl of the Ultra. All that is consistent is
that they are always HIGHER. I have never yet seen a single Aviva
reading lower than an Ultra reading.
My Ultra, BTW was 5 mg/dl higher than the lab, but that was the meter I
carry in my purse which has been dropped. The new one I use at home
reads 5 mg/dl lower than the purse meter pretty consistently. Even then,
5 mg/dl is No Big Deal for me. It's the 20 mg/dl discrepancy that was
driving me nuts.
--Jenny
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Sugar Under Control
Saxology - 21 Mar 2006 15:15 GMT
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> Also, I'm not sure you can trust the calibration method you've come up
> with. I had two defective Aviva meters which both read right smack in the
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> HIGHER. I have never yet seen a single Aviva reading lower than an Ultra
> reading.
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> --Jenny
You might be right... but I would like to quantify the error due to the
strips. I just got my lab results back and got an 83 FBG compared to my
meter reading of 106 at the same time. Those strips checked in the center
of the range. So, with strips reading, on average 5 - 10 points higher (my
belief), I could be off 30 on a reading of 100 on the meter. That is a lot,
in my opinion.
You are right that meter to meter accuracy will still be variable. The
strips only account for +/- 14% while the meter still is allotted +/-6%
under my method. When you go meter to meter it would be best to use the
same vial of strips, which I don't think is possible when using different
brands of meters.
I am going to keep working on my crazy theories. I am just a nut who wants
to know the absolute truth in a work that has nearly none. There is some
merrit to my method but just how much is something I have to figure out.
Regards,
Sax
Dick Malchik - 06 Apr 2006 22:47 GMT
Group,
I don't think this solves much about meter accuracy, but maybe the
information will be informative and interesting to some. Not off
topic, but maybe a little out of line for the thread as started.
The phlebotomist used a hypodermic to draw a little blood from the red
tube for the two "venous" tests. The finger tests are all from the
same drop of blood on my finger.
All BG testers are "One-Touch," and were tested with control fluid
before the lab blood draw. All were in range, note my "One Touch
Ultras" always have tested over the middle of the range on the bottle
of strips. The "One Touch Ultras" all used strips from the same
bottle.
OTS = "One Touch Ultra Smart" 02-2006
OLD = "One Touch Ultra" from 10-2004
NEW = "One Touch Ultra" from 12-2005
BAS = "One Touch Basic" from 5-2000 (original Dx date)
Lab Results March 30 AM fasting BG:
BG 101 mg/dl "Reference Range" 65-99 mg/dL
A1c was 5.2% "Reference Range" 5.0-6.5 percent
Tstr Fngr Venous
----------------------------------
OTS 98 110
OLD 96 116
NEW 101
BAS 88
Comments and insight solicited and always welcome!
Rich
Dick Malchik - 07 Apr 2006 03:12 GMT
>Group,
>
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>
>Rich
Note that "from" should be "purchased." All six tests were done
within seconds of each other on these testers:
OTS = "One Touch Ultra Smart" purchased 02-2006
OLD = "One Touch Ultra" purchased 10-2004
NEW = "One Touch Ultra" purchased 12-2005
BAS = "One Touch Basic" purchased 5-2000 (orig Dx date)
Rich
morris - 07 Apr 2006 00:38 GMT
"My conclusion is that I will have elevated readings for the next 75-99
readings due to this error and the fact that all strips in a box will
most
likely be similar. "
Has anyone checked this assumption that all strips in a box, or vial,
will test the same with control solution? Or will they all just be
within the rather wide range for the solution?
Morris
> I have a OneTouch Ultra meter system. I understand that they claim meter
> accuracy of +/- 20%. My problem started when I started a new vial of strips
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> -Sax
> I know I am nuts with this stuff, I'll get over it eventually.