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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2006Glad I found this group
Wow! I'm a Type II diabetic diagnosed a little over year ago. I was surprised to find how much conflicting info there is out there. My doc is great and he's got me on Byetta, which is working great instead of the insulin I was on, which worked OK when I followed my routine. Iwas just curious about how many people are familiar with Byetta. It has affected my appetite and I have to make myself eat sometimes. Any info on long term problems with Byetta? > Wow! I'm a Type II diabetic diagnosed a little over year ago. I was > surprised to find how much conflicting info there is out there. My doc is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > appetite and I have to make myself eat sometimes. Any info on long term > problems with Byetta? Since no one has been taking it for more than two years, there can't be any data on long term problems with it. That's one of the reasons I'm a bit wary of getting too excited about it. Looking at drugs like Avandia, it takes at least 5 years until some of the serious side effects start to appear (like in Avandia's case that it is dangerous for people with heart failure and can cause macular edema leading to blindness.) Right now diabetics find themselves involuntarily enrolled in a lot of long term experimentation, for example, with the analog insulins that aren't the same as the human insulin that had been used for decades or the animal insulins that preceded them. Byetta is another drug that seems okay but who knows? One thing we do know is that the FDA is paid for by the drug companies and under this administration it lives only to serve those drug companies, approving just about anything that doesn't clearly kill people (and occasionally approving one that does, until outraged doctors make them withdraw it, as in Pargluva.) So if your body is sending you signals that make you think maybe something not so good is going on, pay attention to them. Many years ago in the early 1970s my doctor got me excited about a new form of birth control. I tried it, but got a feeling that something was not right, and had him take it out. It was a Dalkon shield, later withdrawn from the market because of the deaths it caused. It took me quite a while to get rid of the infection it gave me, but at least I lived. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control :: Us wrote: ::: Wow! I'm a Type II diabetic diagnosed a little over year ago. I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] :: that it is dangerous for people with heart failure and can cause :: macular edema leading to blindness.) Like me controling my diabetes with low carb nutrition and exercise (no drugs). A long term study using my own body. I may be dead by the time to serious side effects start to appear. >:: Us wrote: >::: Wow! I'm a Type II diabetic diagnosed a little over year ago. I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >drugs). A long term study using my own body. I may be dead by the time to >serious side effects start to appear. If it works for you, Roger, more power to you. Most of us are not so lucky. We really need our meds.... Will, T2 :: On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 12:35:51 -0500, "Roger Zoul" :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] :: If it works for you, Roger, more power to you. Most of us are not so :: lucky. We really need our meds.... Absolutely! However, my point was that there isn't any long term research done on LC diets. Hence, there is a risk on term, depending on who you believe. BTW, I took meds for many years. > However, my point was that there isn't any long term research > done on LC diets. Hence, there is a risk on term, depending on who you > believe. Is there any diet whatsoever on which long term research has been done?  SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] :: Roger Zoul <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: :: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: Is there any diet whatsoever on which long term research has been :: done? Low fat? >Is there any diet whatsoever on which long term research has been done? Only on the two most important foods known to mankind. Mum's apple pie (sadly, no longer for this son) and chicken soup. All of the others are guesswork. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Absolutely! However, my point was that there isn't any long term research > done on LC diets. Hence, there is a risk on term, depending on who you > believe. True, except that at least there are populations of people who have been ON low carb diets for many years who are still alive who haven't grown second heads, or had any organ shrivel up and die, which is a good starting place. It's the complete lack of any history with the brand new drugs, rushed through approval at an FDA we know to be completely in the pocket of the pharmaceutical companies, that is so worrisome. Now of course, there is a Catch-22 here. Any new drug will be new for a while and if no one took it we'd never know if it was good or caused those side effects. So someone has to take that risk. What that requires, in my mind at least, is a good assessment of how much clear good is possible weighed against potential harm suggested by current data. In the case of Avandia, for example, it makes a very modest change in blood sugars for most people and causes significant edema. Edema turns out to be the mechanism behind the serious problems it causes. Most doctors told their patients that the edema, as unpleasant as it was should just be ignored. It turns out, for some people the edema was their body's way of signaling this was not a good drug for them. With Byetta, I'd worry about what the long term effect is of developing antibodies to the injected substance that might attack my natural GLP-1. And I also am concerned that we just plain don't know what it is doing. The thing about dogs tearing apart the undies of people taking Byetta for example, suggests that it is doing things to our hormone systems we can't begin to fathom. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Absolutely! However, my point was that there isn't any long term [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] :: Byetta for example, suggests that it is doing things to our hormone :: systems we can't begin to fathom. That's just plain scary. This ng is a little creepy. >Wow! I'm a Type II diabetic diagnosed a little over year ago. I was >surprised to find how much conflicting info there is out there. My doc is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >appetite and I have to make myself eat sometimes. Any info on long term >problems with Byetta? Welcome to our not so little family. I have not heard of Byetta before, but I did want to take the time to bid you welcome. Be sure to tell us about yourself and to ask any questions you might have no matter how trivial they may seem. Just remember that we are not medical professionals. We are here to share our experience, strength and hope with each other. That is what any support group is all about. If you use all the things you will learn about this disease you may find yourself living a better, healthier life than you have for many years. Take care and be well, SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 16, 2006 is 2,318. Americans wounded = 16,653 as of 02/07/2006 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 19, 2006 It has been 1053 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >I have not heard of Byetta before, Are you serious Chuck? You must read very selectively here. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>I have not heard of Byetta before, > >Are you serious Chuck? You must read very selectively here. > >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg LOL To be truthful, I don't pay much attention to the meds that others take if I am not familiar with them. Since I am currently using eleven different prescription drugs I am not very interested in others. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 16, 2006 is 2,318. Americans wounded = 16,653 as of 02/07/2006 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 19, 2006 It has been 1053 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." > Wow! I'm a Type II diabetic diagnosed a little over year ago. I was > surprised to find how much conflicting info there is out there. My doc is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > appetite and I have to make myself eat sometimes. Any info on long term > problems with Byetta? Hi Us. I too use Byetta, which along with correct eating and exercise has brought my A1c down to 6.2 (I'm hopeful that this is the beginnning of a slide into the 5's!) I also wonder about the long term effects from this new class of drug. As Jenny mentioned, there are no long term studies because it's so new. WE are the guinea pigs, and I'm OK with that. I am curious, tho, what we'll find out in the long run. I have found its appetitie suppresion to be marvelous - I have been able to lose 40 lbs without feeling deprived - a first for me. I'm having trouble lately finding the warm rocks to lay on that I suddenly crave, though...too much snow & not enough sunshine here.... Come on down to Arkansas, and I'll share my warm rock with you.... :) Billie Pumping MM 715 since 2/2006 and LOVING it! I'm having > trouble lately finding the warm rocks to lay on that I suddenly crave, > though...too much snow & not enough sunshine here.... >Come on down to Arkansas, and I'll share my warm rock with you.... :) >Billie [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> trouble lately finding the warm rocks to lay on that I suddenly crave, >> though...too much snow & not enough sunshine here.... Hi there, Billie! :-) How is it working out with the new pump? I do hope you are OK. I think of you often down there in Arkansas. I should imagine your springtime is far more advanced than ours... My redbud is just now starting to get a hint of bloom... Will, T2 Hi Will. Actually our weather is not much different than yours. We in Northeast Arkansas, next to the Missouri bootheel, always seem to be where the warm and cold air masses meet, with us on the northern side of it. We've had jonquils, but the azaleas are not budding yet, unless they have within the last couple of days. I'll take note of it tomorrow when we head down to Memphis for doctors' appointments. Oh, this pump is the best thing since sliced bread (whole wheat, low carb, of course :-)! It was wonderful to have when we made our trip to Ohio to see the great-grandbabies (Kaitlyn was four weeks old at the time; Matthew 2.5 y/o :-). Then, I had a great experience with it in the hospital last week for my fourth lithotripsy, which I want to write about, but have not felt up to it until maybe now. Darn all these illnesses!!!! Wish I could go *poof* and they'd all be gone! Guess if they've hung around for these past forty years, they're planning on still staying for a while. How are things going for your daughter? I wonder about her every now and then when I'm reading your posts. Read the good/bad about your eyes, and looking forward to hearing what you eventually find out. I go in not this week, but the following week because I'm still having so much trouble with my left eye. Complicated story of post cataract surgery which is not related to the cataracts or the surgery, rather related to the autoimmune diseases, especially the rheumatoid arthritis (never knew of the RA/eye connections before, and I've had RA since I was 22). Well, moving along......... just got off the phone with my granddaughter in Ohio, and now I need to get on with reading the posts. Billie : Hi there, Billie! :-) : [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : : Will, T2 On 19-Mar-2006, ">^;^< Great-Granny Grayfur" <love.my.kitties@kittycats.org> wrote: > Hi Will. Actually our weather is not much different than yours. We in > Northeast Arkansas, next [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > we head down to Memphis > for doctors' appointments. Hello Billie, You are an absolute dear and an inspiration to all of us! I am very happy for you about the success of the pump. We just need to get you well for the Spring and Summer, so you can enjoy the seasons. It must be very exciting having great grandchildren :-).... I am still adjusting to being a grandfather. I simply cannot imagine being a great grandfather.... I don't know which daughter you were asking about. Rachel is still about the same, living in Huntsville, AL with her mother for now..... That's where her doctors are, and she seems to need to be there for treatment. The other daughter, Erin, is still in New Orleans and is a manager with AmSouth Bank. She is the one with the two little girls, and is finding it difficult to maintain a high pressure job and be a mom, too. A few days ago, little Tatiana threw up on her on the way to daycare at the JCC, so Erin had to go on to work at the bank and make it through the day without her coat on... She got cold. But then, I am sure you know all about being a mom...... You know about eyes, too. Eyes are things most people take for granted, until and unless they start not to function... I have my next appointment with the super dooper retina specialist on March 31, at 2:00 P.M. I guess I'll know more then.... I hope your eye complications clear up.... It really gets scary when you cannot see well, as I know all too well. Hope you are having a good day, Billie. Will, T2 Thanks, Billie! >> Wow! I'm a Type II diabetic diagnosed a little over year ago. I was >> surprised to find how much conflicting info there is out there. My doc is [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >trouble lately finding the warm rocks to lay on that I suddenly crave, >though...too much snow & not enough sunshine here.... Hi Barbara, How are you today? :-) Just make sure you are getting the right stuff that comes from Gila Monsters, and not the Komodo Dragon product ;-) Will, T2 Hi Will I've had a couple of rough patches, but doing well now....my cat Ginger bit me on the forehead 3-4 wks ago, required stitches and IV antibiotics again. As this was the second serious unprovoked no warning bite, I had her put down. That was really tough - the no-kill shelters won't take vicious animals, and she had to be tested for rabies by law b/c of the bite..(she of course had all her shots & wasn't an outdoor kitty, but the law is the law). I was surprised at how sick i was from this second cat bite infection, and I have been laying low, but my face and my heart are healing and I feel better now. As far as Sprig goes, what spring?? It didn't snow when it was supposed to (Dec -Jan-Feb) and now it won't quit. Just last Wednesday our 2 inches turned into 11.5!! I'm still enjoying the Gila Monster spit :-) - I wonder what fascinating effects Komodo Dragon spit has?? I do wonder what the long term effects of Byetta will be - but I can live with the longing for sunshine and warm rocks.... I hope you have a lovely day, Will. here's a snowball! Barbara Jenny wrote: >> The thing about dogs tearing apart the undies of people taking >> Byetta for example, suggests that it is doing things to our hormone >> systems we can't begin to fathom. Barbara you say sharppointy1> >> Hi Us. I too use Byetta : >> I've had a couple of rough patches, but doing well now....my cat Ginger >> bit me on the forehead 3-4 wks ago, required stitches and IV >> antibiotics again. As this was the second serious unprovoked no >> warning bite, I had her put down. Hmm..Are the pets reacting to some thing we do not know? Just curiously connecting two threads. No idea if this is just my imagination going wild. Anil > Jenny wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Anil Anil now you're making me wonder.... I think I remember that cats don't have sweet taste buds, so there goes that theory. I do have dogs, so I guess keeping my dirty undies in the hamper is a good thing!! :-O > Anil > now you're making me wonder.... > I think I remember that cats don't have sweet taste buds, so there goes > that theory. I do have dogs, so I guess keeping my dirty undies in the > hamper is a good thing!! :-O From what I read about the Byetta/Underwear effect, this isn't a thing about flavor, but about some chemical being excreted which has some kind of sexual or aggression message for dogs. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control I was wondering the same thing Anil. Seems that has happened a couple of times recently for no apparent reason. The other one was the dogs attacking each other. My dog has been behaving a little wierdly too. Pacing around all the time in the last few days, which she normally doesn't do. Dunno, it might be the weather, since it has been very unsettled here with occasional thunder, hail, etc. -- Cheri Anil wrote in message >Hmm..Are the pets reacting to some thing we do not know? Just curiously >connecting two threads. No idea if this is just my imagination going >wild. > >Anil > I've had a couple of rough patches, but doing well now....my cat Ginger > bit me on the forehead 3-4 wks ago, required stitches and IV > antibiotics again. As this was the second serious unprovoked no > warning bite, I had her put down. Hello Barbara, I am so sorry to hear of the problem with the cat bite.... I am very aware that infections caused by cat bites and scratches can become quite serious. I once had a case involving a witness who was blind from what her parents called "cat scratch fever". She was an absolutely beautiful young woman who was blinded by a runaway infection that she contracted as a result of a cat scratch when she was 14.... That was simply tragic. No other words for it. You can keep your snowballs, thank you very much! Winter is out of fashion over here:-) I am ready for spring! Will, T2 Us I just want to welcome you to our group and let you know I am glad you found us. I cant answer the question because I have no idea about byetta. I am sure you will get many respsones. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Hi......... I have been using Byetta since last September, and it has done wonders for me, one of which is to counter the extreme hunger that my daily Prednisone (for the rest of my life) causes. I lost eleven pounds recently due to the absence of hunger caused by the Byetta. I just flat do not want to eat, and when I do feel hungry, I feel satisfied after just a few bits. It is hard to judge the effect it has had on my BG because I have had multiple surgical procedures and infections during this entire time. I have been off of it since going on the pump a few weeks ago, and I am amazed at the hunger I am experiencing. I have an appointment Monday, and think he will be starting me on Symilin, which has some similar characteristics of the Byetta (both put out by the same company). As for the Byetta, I only had a smidgen of nausea when I first started the 5 mg, but none since then, not even going on up to the 10 mg. There are two Byetta yahoo groups if you are interested. There is a lot of information exhanged there. HTH Billie in AR > Wow! I'm a Type II diabetic diagnosed a little over year ago. I was > surprised to find how much conflicting info there is out there. My doc is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > my appetite and I have to make myself eat sometimes. Any info on long > term problems with Byetta? >Wow! I'm a Type II diabetic diagnosed a little over year ago. I was >surprised to find how much conflicting info there is out there. My doc is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >appetite and I have to make myself eat sometimes. Any info on long term >problems with Byetta? Hello Us, You are most welcome.... Fix yourself something you enjoy, put on your slippers, and pull up a comfortable chair, and relax. You are about to join a wonderful group of friends, some of whom sometimes may get a little testy with each other, but almost all of whom really do care about each other. We are united, in one way or another, by a common malady, diabetes, either T1 or T2.... Wishing you well and happy usenetting, Will, T2 |
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