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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2006Stigma of adult diabetes
I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something different, something without the stigma of the self-induced illness by the same name. It's insulting to me, as a person who bikes nearly 40 miles a week, that my genetic condition shares the same name as one associated with fat old people. (I know enough to know this isn't entirely the case, but the stigma is there.) What would a suitable name be? Langerhans condition? Sakeretis? Just throwing some things out there. Not to insult the growing number of type 2 diabetics, but wouldn't other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the "older" version? > I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the > "older" version? ROFLMAO! Great satire! Susan You could wear a button that says: "I've got the noble kind of diabetes... don't blame me, it's not my fault" Should clear everything up. Jennifer > I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the > "older" version? "plunk" >I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the > "older" version? > I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the > "older" version? I don't care what the heck they call my high blood sugar condition. as long as no one tries to take my pump away from me, they can call it whatever they please. I have no feelings over a name. Dave E.D. commercials are the worst of the stigmas. >I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the > "older" version? When are you going to give up? You truly are one sick woman. > I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the > "older" version? > I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something > different, something without the stigma of the self-induced illness by > the same name. Huh? Diabesity? That's a VERY rude thing to say! > It's insulting to me, as a person who bikes nearly 40 miles a week, > that my genetic condition shares the same name as one associated with > fat old people. (I know enough to know this isn't entirely the case, > but the stigma is there.) And that term you used is very insulting to me! And no, the stigma is not there. It's only a few very rude people like you who think it is. > What would a suitable name be? > Langerhans condition? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the > "older" version? Well, you just did insult us!  SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm laurarhe wrote in message <1142738976.166916.78280@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>... >I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same >as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the >"older" version? Type 1 diabetes is weakly hereditary (mostly). It is caused by the abnormal death of beta cells. It sometimes starts to develop during childhood. If you inherit the genes, you will develop a full blown case sooner or later. Type 2 diabetes is strongly hereditary. It is caused by the abnormal death of beta cells. It is thought to start to develop during childhood. If you inherit the genes, you will progress to full blown diabetes sooner or later. Regards Old Al >I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same >as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the >"older" version? That's like one of my grandparents making a big deal about being "French" and not "Cajun".... Sounds like somebody needs counselling about an identity crisis.... Will, t2 > I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the > "older" version? Haven't you died yet? > I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the > "older" version? It would be easier to have two different names--I'm a type 2 controlling with diet alone and have to explain I am different from the people who use insulin. But we all need to change that stereotype--I'm a 50 year old type 2 who does triathlons (and my latest achievement was a half marathon). My averages so far this year are: run 13 miles a week bike 30 miles a week (which is going up now as the weather is getting better) swim 3 1/2 hours a week Pam t2 since Nov. 2004, diet and exercise > I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > fat old people. (I know enough to know this isn't entirely the case, > but the stigma is there.) Why do you have such a problem with fat people when it is obvious from your post that you are also a fat person? Although you claim to "bike" (most people who actually ride refer to it as cycling) nearly forty miles per week you must be fat or there would be no necessity to explain that your diabetes was not caused by "fat"; as if you weren't fat it would be self evident. By the way, forty miles in a full week isn't very much at all, I average 170 (105 miles) kilometres per week and don't consider that at all remarkable, but then I kayak or windsurf on the days that I don't ride. What is it that makes you feel superior to other people who are overweight? Self delusion is the real answer, but I would be curious as to what your delusion involves. Some delusional people can be quite entertaining; are you one of them? Regards David SignatureTo email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. I'm sorry, I failed to mention that I play tennis for an hour and a half with my boyfriend around five times a week. I'm 5'2" and weigh 130 lbs. See my latest post for answers to your other questions. It's interesting that you say "self delusion." Just as you ask me to re-examine my thoughts, I ask that instead of taking cheap shots, you actually address the issues I posed. Try again. > I'm sorry, I failed to mention that I play tennis for an hour and a > half with my boyfriend around five times a week. I'm 5'2" and weigh 130 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > actually address the issues I posed. > Try again. Hey, I *did* address the issues you posed; maybe not the snide denigration of others, but definitely the issues. You have yet to explain why you would ever need to show that your diabetes was not caused by obesity if you are not overweight? How many reasonable people would look at a slim person and accuse them of making themselves ill by being fat? You shot yourself in the foot. Regards David SignatureTo email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. I was 12, 100 lbs when I got diabetes. Apparently you have a history being snide and illogical with people, so I can see it's a lost cause with you. Dave, try not being so base. Nobody accused me of being fat-- read the post again. >> I'm sorry, I failed to mention that I play tennis for an hour and a >> half with my boyfriend around five times a week. I'm 5'2" and weigh 130 [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >You shot yourself in the foot. And that foot was firmly planted in her mouth. She doesn't deserve any civil answers after the way she insulted the majority of us. Anybody that claims to be better than others - _ANYBODY_ - almost always has a serious inferiority complex problem they refuse to see. My wise old Grandpa taught be as a boy, "You are no better than anyone else in this world. Do you know why? Because if you think you are better than someone else that means there is someone better than you are and there ain't no SOB any better than you are." SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 16, 2006 is 2,318. Americans wounded = 16,653 as of 02/07/2006 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 20, 2006 It has been 1054 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." 5'2" and 130 lbs is not thin anyway. >> I'm sorry, I failed to mention that I play tennis for an hour and a >> half with my boyfriend around five times a week. I'm 5'2" and weigh 130 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > David > I'm sorry, I failed to mention that I play tennis for an hour and a > half with my boyfriend around five times a week. I'm 5'2" and weigh 130 > lbs. See my latest post for answers to your other questions. > It's interesting that you say "self delusion." Just as you ask me to > re-examine my thoughts, I ask that instead of taking cheap shots, you > actually address the issues I posed. > Try again. He did address the only substantial issue you posed. Susan Stop playing games Sally. > I'm sorry, I failed to mention that I play tennis for an hour and a > half with my boyfriend around five times a week. I'm 5'2" and weigh > 130 lbs. > I'm sorry, I failed to mention that I play tennis for an hour and a > half with my boyfriend around five times a week. I'm 5'2" and weigh 130 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > actually address the issues I posed. > Try again. Um... I don't think you addressed any issues. You just hurled cheap pot shots at us type 2s. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm > I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > as "diabesity." SNIP OK, you've got "TYPE 1." You could revert to "juvenile diabetes," or "the kind that's an auto-immune reaction." But I see your real complaint in this thread is NOT about diabetes per se. You're suffering from "Sunday Paper Article Syndrome" inflicted by fine, upstanding graduates of the Daytime Drama School of Medicine, with advanced studies at the Geraldo Rivera Institute. If you're like me, you'll engage in revenge fantasies: Lanceting the food server who brings the dessert tray around THREE times is against the law, but it's nice to close your eyes and imagine. In the February or March issue of "Diabetes Focus" William Polonsky (the from the Behavioral Diabetes Institute -- he's a psychologoist and a Certified Diabetes Educator) had an article about handling those ninnies. It might help. Or it might fuel some revenge fantasies -- like printing up some accurate, polite buisiness-card sized handouts that basically say "you're cluelsss and rude -- read these web sites and get back to me on this or shut up." As for the mileage -- I manned a time control station for a 300 km (more than 180 miles) brevet bicycle ride yesterday, and I still managed to get in 30 rather hilly miles that morning myself. Those brevet-riding randonneur types are nuts, but it's a GOOD kind of nuts. 40 miles a wek? Do you cycle to work? If so, good for you! Otherwise, see if you've got some cyclo-touring/daytouring oriented riding groups in the area . It's fun to ramble with a pack. Robert Leone rleone@hotmail.com >I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same <trolling garbage snipped> If it smells like a troll, If it jabbers like a troll, If it posts only provocative things like a troll, What must it be? Oh. I get it. IT IS A TROLL and deserves to be ignored. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 16, 2006 is 2,318. Americans wounded = 16,653 as of 02/07/2006 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 19, 2006 It has been 1053 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." People want to be important. so they make diabetes as a badge of ?.Diabetes is bad but just maybe cancer would make someone more important I see no stigma related to diabetes It is handicap and must be dealt with. We cannot demand that others make us "as special". The most important ting is--diabetes can be managed and you have a probability of a long and good life. Knowledge is the clue. Real knowledge, not fads, speculation or plain bull. We do have the right to fight anyone exploiting diabetes. There a lot of that. Personally I saw too many freeloaders in research.. A lot of writing without the hard lab work. The BIG effort to blame diabetics for their situation is obscene. "I do not know what I am dong so it is your(patient)r fault. An easy answer. There is no stigma in being diabetic. You do have some form of handicap. Like hundreds of other thing we deal wit it. We should not demand others shoulder our misfortune. The failure to realize this and deal with it -- is the real stigma. Guy >>I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Oh. I get it. IT IS A TROLL and deserves to be ignored. Laura, I hope that in your life, the worst thing that ever happens to you is that you are lumped in the general population of diabetics. The sensitivity you bring to this post is underwhelming. It is as though because you are a type I, you are part of an elite class. No matter how any of us got diabetes, we have it To me this is minutia and it is not important enough to fester about. Again, I hope that this is your worst problem in life. Loretta. -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >I am truly tired of explaining that juvenile diabetes is not the same >as "diabesity." I wish diabetes (type 1) could be called something [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >other type 1 diabetics rather sever the shares identity with the >"older" version? why don't you work on the low self esteem issues you have and stop projecting them onto the type 2s. diabesity is a f.cked up phrase that should be dropped and never used again. and the bastard that coined it should be slapped upside the head with a steel toed boot. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . Hey, we finally agree on something! > diabesity is a f.cked up phrase that should be dropped and never used > again. and the bastard that coined it should be slapped upside the > head with a steel toed boot. I wish this issue were as simple as some propose. Unfortunately, the worst thing that I experience is being lumped in the general "diabetes" category in the healthcare industry. I have to fight with my pharmacist every month to convince him that traditional prescriptions for test strips don't apply to me. MediCal, which I was on until recently, will only give me 2 strips per day. Try having control when you test twice a day. It is hell. I have dialy lows and highs. I always say I wish I had type 2 diabetes. Then I could do somehting more to control it. But instead I have type 1, and am in college without the option of comprehensive health coverage. When an insurance company lumps the two conditions together, it leaves people in my position helpless to control their diabetes. Not only this, but because of the increased number of type 2 diabetics (undeniably tied to an increase in obesity in the U.S., hence "diabesity"), the price of diabetes supplies has spiked. And trust me, I do my best. I eat under 100 grams of carbohydrate each day. I bike all over the place. I test when I can and try to keep a consistent schedule each day. The reason I want to differentiate the two goes beyond this "stigma" I proposed. I would like to see the two separated so that type 1 diabetics don't feel the brunt of the healthcare industry's wrath. As for insulting type 2 diabetics, it's nominal compared to the offense I take every time I pay $400 for a month's worth of supplies- needles, insulin, test strips, lancets, etc. As for the "noble kind" of diabetes, this is a patent misreading of my message. Diabesity is unfortunate, but the fact remains it's preventable and controllable. I hear time and time again about people getting stomach surgery and eliminating their condition. Tell me again how it's not self-induced. Let's not be pretty, folks, because I live every second of my life with a disease that I had not control over. I go to sleep every night wondering if a low blood sugar will claim my life while I sleep. Now, if we could start by renaming the condition, then move onto lobby the healthcare industry to differentiate the two so that type 1 diabetes is covered like cerebal palsy is covered. Then I'll get some rest and work on being more 'polite.' [snipped] don't forget to include a third kind of DM, T1.5. Do you consider that type to be "self induced" also? Are all AIDS patients "self induced"? Are all heart attack deaths "self induced"? Is all hearing loss "self induced"? Is skin cancer all "self induced"? Take your self-righteous bull crap somewhere else. Dave >I wish this issue were as simple as some propose. Unfortunately, the >worst thing that I experience is being lumped in the general "diabetes" >category in the healthcare industry. I have to fight with my pharmacist >every month to convince him that traditional prescriptions for test >strips don't apply to me. MediCal, which I was on until recently, will >only give me 2 strips per day. what the hell dose your pharmacist have to do with the script your doctor writes? If you are having coverage problems have your doctor write a letter of necessity and submitted it to your carrier directly. Your pharmacist does not decide what you can and cannot get. Try having control when you test twice a >day. It is hell. I have dialy lows and highs. I always say I wish I had >type 2 diabetes. Then I could do somehting more to control it. But >instead I have type 1, and am in college without the option of >comprehensive health coverage. When an insurance company lumps the two >conditions together, it leaves people in my position helpless to >control their diabetes. big deal, welcome to the real world. I paid 100% out of pocket for most of my life for all of my diabetic meds and supplies. I've only had access to insurance, reliably, for the past 7 years. You are no worse off than 75% or more of the American population. >Not only this, but because of the increased number of type 2 diabetics >(undeniably tied to an increase in obesity in the U.S., hence >"diabesity"), the price of diabetes supplies has spiked. no the price has spiked because price gouging is allowed by our government. >And trust me, I do my best. I eat under 100 grams of carbohydrate each >day. I bike all over the place. I test when I can and try to keep a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I take every time I pay $400 for a month's worth of supplies- needles, >insulin, test strips, lancets, etc. If it's truly that much of burden, get your insulin and supplies from walmart and reuse your lancets. And your cost will drop by more than half. >As for the "noble kind" of diabetes, this is a patent misreading of my >message. Diabesity is unfortunate, but the fact remains it's >preventable and controllable. I hear time and time again about people >getting stomach surgery and eliminating their condition. Tell me again >how it's not self-induced. you really are ignorant. that surgery comes with very serious side effects, not the least of which is death in some cases and it is not a true cure. Do you have any clue what type of diet a person goes on once they have that kind of surgery? Do a little more than headline skimming and get some real facts. Type 2 is a genetic disease. If it weren't EVERY over weight person on the planet would be type 2. And that simply hasn't happened and won't. >Let's not be pretty, folks, because I live every second of my life with >a disease that I had not control over. I go to sleep every night [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >diabetes is covered like cerebal palsy is covered. Then I'll get some >rest and work on being more 'polite.' Type 1 is just as manageable as type 2 and in no way entitles any of us to the status of someone with CP. You sound like you have bought into the bullshit that you are doomed to develop complications and suffer a horrible crippled future before you die. Ever hear of a self fulfilling prophesy? SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . MediCal is not insurance. If you don't qualify for health insurance, either through employment or by self-pay, then you must take what is given to you. MediCal is free, the rest of us in California are paying for your health care. As much as I "wish" all diabetics would be covered for whatever they need, that is not reality. Strips cost money, meds cost money, MD visits cost money. If someone gets this for free, the rest of us pay. You should be thankful for what you DO get. When my kids were still at home, we were self-employed and paid for our own health insurance. We paid a high premium for what amounted to major medical only. We paid out of pocket for most goods & services. I learned to treat many problems myself, without the need to bother the doctor, hosital, etc. So, a cut on the head? Clean it up and watch it. We did a lot of self-care, and no one suffered. I had friends who had all health care supplied by their employer, and it was ridiculous what they would require insurance to pay for (like calling an ambulance for a child with a cut finger!). No wonder the costs have gone up tremendously over the years. People are just TOO used to getting things for free these days...too much entitlement attitude. Just watch where it all ends up. Mary >>I wish this issue were as simple as some propose. Unfortunately, the >>worst thing that I experience is being lumped in the general "diabetes" [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > suffer a horrible crippled future before you die. Ever hear of a self > fulfilling prophesy? >I wish this issue were as simple as some propose. Unfortunately, the >worst thing that I experience is being lumped in the general "diabetes" >category in the healthcare industry. I have to fight with my pharmacist >every month to convince him that traditional prescriptions for test >strips don't apply to me. You do? Why? Won't the pharmacist honor the prescription for strips from you doctor? If not, why not? > MediCal, which I was on until recently, will >only give me 2 strips per day. Did you appeal to your doctor on this one to get documentation that you need more than 2 strips per day? > Try having control when you test twice a >day. It is hell. I have dialy lows and highs. And what makes you think that we T2s don't have those? We do. > I always say I wish I had >type 2 diabetes. Be careful what you wish for. I believe a T1 can also develop insulin resistance. Try to get your mind around that one. > Then I could do somehting more to control it. That is just one more case of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. Do you not understand that to many T2s we envy you that are T1 because you can keep your BG under control by simply varying the amount of insulin you use. > But >instead I have type 1, and am in college without the option of >comprehensive health coverage. Any idea how blessed you are to be in college? > When an insurance company lumps the two >conditions together, it leaves people in my position helpless to >control their diabetes. How many officials with your insurance company have you appealed to about this? Do you have your doctor's backing on testing more than twice a day? >Not only this, but because of the increased number of type 2 diabetics >(undeniably tied to an increase in obesity in the U.S., hence >"diabesity") I sure as hell hope you read Mack's posting about that insulting term and stop using it. Or are you out to make enemies of the majority of people here? >, the price of diabetes supplies has spiked. >And trust me, I do my best. I eat under 100 grams of carbohydrate each >day. I bike all over the place. I test when I can and try to keep a >consistent schedule each day. So what's your point? Do you not think some of we T2s do similar things? >The reason I want to differentiate the two goes beyond this "stigma" I >proposed. First of all, get the "stigma" mind set deleted from both your vocabulary and your thinking. > I would like to see the two separated so that type 1 >diabetics don't feel the brunt of the healthcare industry's wrath. So why aren't you coming down on gestational diabetes? How about the subcategories that are sometimes called T1.5 or T3 diabetics? >As for insulting type 2 diabetics, it's nominal compared to the offense >I take every time I pay $400 for a month's worth of supplies- needles, >insulin, test strips, lancets, etc. So instead of bitching to us, who can do nothing about it, do your complaining where it might actually make a difference. If you go through life with such a confrontational attitude toward your peers you are in for a long angry and lonely life. >As for the "noble kind" of diabetes, this is a patent misreading of my >message. > >Diabesity is unfortunate, There is so such disease and you using the term is insulting and confrontational. Keep it up and you will find yourself in many killfiles right along with other well known trolls. I say that because if you keep using the term you will have proved yourself to be nothing more than a troll who is attempting to stir up trouble in our family here at ASD. > but the fact remains it's >preventable Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. My sister and I developed T2 within a year of each other. I didn't even know she had it until I told her I had been diagnosed. As it happens, our father died when I was very young so we don't know if there was a history on that side of the family. No one in our mother's family ever had this disease. Sis has had a weight problem all of her adult life, while I was underweight until age forty one. I didn't really become medically speaking overweight until about a year after I stopped smoking. With no history of diabetes in my family there was no reason for my doctor or me to be concerned about diabetes and we both agreed that twenty extra pounds was a hell of a lot healthier than smoking two packs of cigarettes per day. Don't be so quick to judge another until you have walked a mile in his/her moccasins. > and controllable. I hear time and time again about people >getting stomach surgery and eliminating their condition. Do you have a clue how much overweight one has to be in order to be considered for that surgery or just how dangerous the surgery is? > Tell me again >how it's not self-induced. Alright. In my case it was not self-induced. >Let's not be pretty, folks, because I live every second of my life with >a disease that I had not control over. I go to sleep every night >wondering if a low blood sugar will claim my life while I sleep. What a cry baby you are. Here's a clue for you: I have to wonder the same thing and do what I can to try to be sure it doesn't. In the meantime I hope that if I do go low it wakes me or my wife wakes and realizes something is wrong. >Now, if we could start by renaming the condition, then move onto lobby >the healthcare industry to differentiate the two so that type 1 >diabetes is covered like cerebal palsy is covered. Then I'll get some >rest and work on being more 'polite.' You are either in denial, or blaming your condition on we T2s, or terribly bitter, or a cray baby, or just a common troll with a little different way of baiting the rest of us. Whatever the case is, you do not deserve any respect until you show some respect for us - your peers - because like it or not these two diseases are two branches of the same disease. Well, you got me to waste about twenty minutes replying to you. I hope you and your ego are happy now. A month or two back my language with you would have been a lot more direct and my vocabulary would have contained more common street language. That language is still appropriate when you can't get the other person's attention being polite. Let us not go down that road. If you would like some suggestions about how to get the supplies you need from the medical people you have to deal with perhaps you can ask some of us that have been through such things and ask with a bit of politeness and good manners. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 16, 2006 is 2,318. Americans wounded = 16,653 as of 02/07/2006 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 20, 2006 It has been 1054 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." Well Written Chuck:) jacquie On 20 Mar 2006 13:02:28 -0800, "laurarhe" <laurarhe@hotmail.com> wrote: >I wish this issue were as simple as some propose. Unfortunately, the >worst thing that I experience is being lumped in the general "diabetes" >category in the healthcare industry. I have to fight with my pharmacist >every month to convince him that traditional prescriptions for test >strips don't apply to me. You do? Why? Won't the pharmacist honor the prescription for strips from you doctor? If not, why not? > MediCal, which I was on until recently, will >only give me 2 strips per day. Did you appeal to your doctor on this one to get documentation that you need more than 2 strips per day? > Try having control when you test twice a >day. It is hell. I have dialy lows and highs. And what makes you think that we T2s don't have those? We do. > I always say I wish I had >type 2 diabetes. Be careful what you wish for. I believe a T1 can also develop insulin resistance. Try to get your mind around that one. > Then I could do somehting more to control it. That is just one more case of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence. Do you not understand that to many T2s we envy you that are T1 because you can keep your BG under control by simply varying the amount of insulin you use. > But >instead I have type 1, and am in college without the option of >comprehensive health coverage. Any idea how blessed you are to be in college? > When an insurance company lumps the two >conditions together, it leaves people in my position helpless to >control their diabetes. How many officials with your insurance company have you appealed to about this? Do you have your doctor's backing on testing more than twice a day? >Not only this, but because of the increased number of type 2 diabetics >(undeniably tied to an increase in obesity in the U.S., hence >"diabesity") I sure as hell hope you read Mack's posting about that insulting term and stop using it. Or are you out to make enemies of the majority of people here? >, the price of diabetes supplies has spiked. >And trust me, I do my best. I eat under 100 grams of carbohydrate each >day. I bike all over the place. I test when I can and try to keep a >consistent schedule each day. So what's your point? Do you not think some of we T2s do similar things? >The reason I want to differentiate the two goes beyond this "stigma" I >proposed. First of all, get the "stigma" mind set deleted from both your vocabulary and your thinking. > I would like to see the two separated so that type 1 >diabetics don't feel the brunt of the healthcare industry's wrath. So why aren't you coming down on gestational diabetes? How about the subcategories that are sometimes called T1.5 or T3 diabetics? >As for insulting type 2 diabetics, it's nominal compared to the offense >I take every time I pay $400 for a month's worth of supplies- needles, >insulin, test strips, lancets, etc. So instead of bitching to us, who can do nothing about it, do your complaining where it might actually make a difference. If you go through life with such a confrontational attitude toward your peers you are in for a long angry and lonely life. >As for the "noble kind" of diabetes, this is a patent misreading of my >message. > >Diabesity is unfortunate, There is so such disease and you using the term is insulting and confrontational. Keep it up and you will find yourself in many killfiles right along with other well known trolls. I say that because if you keep using the term you will have proved yourself to be nothing more than a troll who is attempting to stir up trouble in our family here at ASD. > but the fact remains it's >preventable Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. My sister and I developed T2 within a year of each other. I didn't even know she had it until I told her I had been diagnosed. As it happens, our father died when I was very young so we don't know if there was a history on that side of the family. No one in our mother's family ever had this disease. Sis has had a weight problem all of her adult life, while I was underweight until age forty one. I didn't really become medically speaking overweight until about a year after I stopped smoking. With no history of diabetes in my family there was no reason for my doctor or me to be concerned about diabetes and we both agreed that twenty extra pounds was a hell of a lot healthier than smoking two packs of cigarettes per day. Don't be so quick to judge another until you have walked a mile in his/her moccasins. > and controllable. I hear time and time again about people >getting stomach surgery and eliminating their condition. Do you have a clue how much overweight one has to be in order to be considered for that surgery or just how dangerous the surgery is? > Tell me again >how it's not self-induced. Alright. In my case it was not self-induced. >Let's not be pretty, folks, because I live every second of my life with >a disease that I had not control over. I go to sleep every night >wondering if a low blood sugar will claim my life while I sleep. What a cry baby you are. Here's a clue for you: I have to wonder the same thing and do what I can to try to be sure it doesn't. In the meantime I hope that if I do go low it wakes me or my wife wakes and realizes something is wrong. >Now, if we could start by renaming the condition, then move onto lobby >the healthcare industry to differentiate the two so that type 1 >diabetes is covered like cerebal palsy is covered. Then I'll get some >rest and work on being more 'polite.' You are either in denial, or blaming your condition on we T2s, or terribly bitter, or a cray baby, or just a common troll with a little different way of baiting the rest of us. Whatever the case is, you do not deserve any respect until you show some respect for us - your peers - because like it or not these two diseases are two branches of the same disease. Well, you got me to waste about twenty minutes replying to you. I hope you and your ego are happy now. A month or two back my language with you would have been a lot more direct and my vocabulary would have contained more common street language. That language is still appropriate when you can't get the other person's attention being polite. Let us not go down that road. If you would like some suggestions about how to get the supplies you need from the medical people you have to deal with perhaps you can ask some of us that have been through such things and ask with a bit of politeness and good manners. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 16, 2006 is 2,318. Americans wounded = 16,653 as of 02/07/2006 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 20, 2006 It has been 1054 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." Well, you're wrong there. The price of diabetes supplies hasn't spiked where I am, and I've been buying 100% of all my supplies for years. It's just that they very rarely go on sale. Perhaps if you move to a cheaper meter, like Wal-Mart brand, or Walgreen's brand, it wouldn't cost you as much out of pocket. I don't know about the other type 1 costs. -- Cheri laurarhe wrote in message >Not only this, but because of the increased number of type 2 diabetics >(undeniably tied to an increase in obesity in the U.S., hence >"diabesity"), the price of diabetes supplies has spiked. >I wish this issue were as simple as some propose. Unfortunately, the >worst thing that I experience is being lumped in the general "diabetes" >category in the healthcare industry. I have to fight with my pharmacist >every month to convince him that traditional prescriptions for test >strips don't apply to me. MediCal, which I was on until recently, will >only give me 2 strips per day. That's so odd because my health insurance will cover more strips per day if the patient is using insulin as testing is necessary for dosage control. This is different than the particular diagnoses being a factor. >Try having control when you test twice a day. It is hell. I have dialy >lows and highs. I always say I wish I had type 2 diabetes. Then I could >do somehting more to control it. But instead I have type 1, and am in >college without the option of comprehensive health coverage. When an >insurance company lumps the two conditions together, it leaves people >in my position helpless to control their diabetes. Last time I checked, testing supplies were still sold over the counter. Sure, the expense sucks, but you are claiming helplessness when, in truth, it seems as though you are more comfortable with complaining than controlling. >Not only this, but because of the increased number of type 2 diabetics >(undeniably tied to an increase in obesity in the U.S., hence [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Let's not be pretty, folks, because I live every second of my life with >a disease that I had not control over. So because heredity dictates that a disease hits one later in life, it is preventable and controllable? Well, I missed the boat on that one. I suppose I should start my prevention for Alzheimer's now before I get it. Is there some sort of transplant available for these preventions? Just for the record, I have been reading some articles with interest (and man, I wished I had saved them to share with you) that questions whether or not obesity is a RESULT of a genetic predisposition to T2. People who have begun taking Byetta have lost weight because of the phenomenon handled by the drug (it evens out the spikes in BG). As my doctor explained to me,spikes in BG, whether up or down, can cause a false hunger. Those with a genetic predisposition to T2 are likely to experience the spikes LONG before they are diagnosed. I have actually experienced this by eating at mealtime although I am not hungry and finding that EATING made me hungry. Weird, huh? So before you start feeling so sorry for yourself, think of the child who is hungry for what feels like all the time, but will not be diagnosed with diabetes until much later in life because hbA1c's are not done routinely. Think of the damage that has occurred in a T2's body over a period of time when their BG was uncontrolled, but their fasting readings did not cause concern. I'd have PREFERED to have been diagnosed early whether they call it T1, T2, or whatever other name you want... it is a disease which may or may NOT be controlled well. >I go to sleep every night wondering if a low blood sugar will claim my >life while I sleep. Now, if we could start by renaming the condition, then >move onto lobby the healthcare industry to differentiate the two so that >type 1 diabetes is covered like cerebal palsy is covered. Then I'll get some >rest and work on being more 'polite.' Did you ever think that your lack of politeness may cause people in the healthcare industry to not want to help you as much? Believe it or not, there is latitude (I have healthcare professionals bending over backward to assist me), but it is unlikely that it will be exercised for you if you make people angry. Beverly Beverly, " I have actually experienced this by eating at mealtime although I am not hungry and finding that EATING made me hungry. " That happens to me at lunch...it is really hard to stop eating once I have had lunch....My Dr told me the other day to put more fat into my lunch to see what that does..good fat like more nuts...or avacados .....I tried it today and it does seem to help get rid of that craving to eat. jacquie On 20 Mar 2006 13:02:28 -0800, "laurarhe" <laurarhe@hotmail.com> wrote: >I wish this issue were as simple as some propose. Unfortunately, the >worst thing that I experience is being lumped in the general "diabetes" >category in the healthcare industry. I have to fight with my pharmacist >every month to convince him that traditional prescriptions for test >strips don't apply to me. MediCal, which I was on until recently, will >only give me 2 strips per day. That's so odd because my health insurance will cover more strips per day if the patient is using insulin as testing is necessary for dosage control. This is different than the particular diagnoses being a factor. >Try having control when you test twice a day. It is hell. I have dialy >lows and highs. I always say I wish I had type 2 diabetes. Then I could >do somehting more to control it. But instead I have type 1, and am in >college without the option of comprehensive health coverage. When an >insurance company lumps the two conditions together, it leaves people >in my position helpless to control their diabetes. Last time I checked, testing supplies were still sold over the counter. Sure, the expense sucks, but you are claiming helplessness when, in truth, it seems as though you are more comfortable with complaining than controlling. >Not only this, but because of the increased number of type 2 diabetics >(undeniably tied to an increase in obesity in the U.S., hence [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Let's not be pretty, folks, because I live every second of my life with >a disease that I had not control over. So because heredity dictates that a disease hits one later in life, it is preventable and controllable? Well, I missed the boat on that one. I suppose I should start my prevention for Alzheimer's now before I get it. Is there some sort of transplant available for these preventions? Just for the record, I have been reading some articles with interest (and man, I wished I had saved them to share with you) that questions whether or not obesity is a RESULT of a genetic predisposition to T2. People who have begun taking Byetta have lost weight because of the phenomenon handled by the drug (it evens out the spikes in BG). As my doctor explained to me,spikes in BG, whether up or down, can cause a false hunger. Those with a genetic predisposition to T2 are likely to experience the spikes LONG before they are diagnosed. I have actually experienced this by eating at mealtime although I am not hungry and finding that EATING made me hungry. Weird, huh? So before you start feeling so sorry for yourself, think of the child who is hungry for what feels like all the time, but will not be diagnosed with diabetes until much later in life because hbA1c's are not done routinely. Think of the damage that has occurred in a T2's body over a period of time when their BG was uncontrolled, but their fasting readings did not cause concern. I'd have PREFERED to have been diagnosed early whether they call it T1, T2, or whatever other name you want... it is a disease which may or may NOT be controlled well. >I go to sleep every night wondering if a low blood sugar will claim my >life while I sleep. Now, if we could start by renaming the condition, then >move onto lobby the healthcare industry to differentiate the two so that >type 1 diabetes is covered like cerebal palsy is covered. Then I'll get >some >rest and work on being more 'polite.' Did you ever think that your lack of politeness may cause people in the healthcare industry to not want to help you as much? Believe it or not, there is latitude (I have healthcare professionals bending over backward to assist me), but it is unlikely that it will be exercised for you if you make people angry. Beverly > I wish this issue were as simple as some propose. Unfortunately, the > worst thing that I experience is being lumped in the general "diabetes" [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > conditions together, it leaves people in my position helpless to > control their diabetes. Many of us with type 2 use more than 2 test strips per day. You seem to be implying that our diabetes is somehow easier to control than yours. And it would seem that the beef then should be with your insurance company and not with us. > Not only this, but because of the increased number of type 2 diabetics > (undeniably tied to an increase in obesity in the U.S., hence > "diabesity"), the price of diabetes supplies has spiked. Undeniably? Really? Do you have some reliable cites for this? Everything I've read points to the fact that they are lowering the threshold numbers at which diabetes is diagnosed. > And trust me, I do my best. I eat under 100 grams of carbohydrate each > day. I bike all over the place. I test when I can and try to keep a > consistent schedule each day. > The reason I want to differentiate the two goes beyond this "stigma" I > proposed. Just because you proposed a stigma doesn't make it so. >I would like to see the two separated so that type 1 > diabetics don't feel the brunt of the healthcare industry's wrath. > As for insulting type 2 diabetics, it's nominal compared to the offense > I take every time I pay $400 for a month's worth of supplies- needles, > insulin, test strips, lancets, etc. I don't think it's nominal. I was VERY offended by your statements. I have additional medical problems outside of diabetes. I pay a lot out of pocket for my medical things. That doesn't offend me. > As for the "noble kind" of diabetes, this is a patent misreading of my > message. Diabesity is unfortunate, but the fact remains it's > preventable and controllable. Oh yeah? Again, provide some good cites that it is preventable. Information I've seen is that if you have a family history of diabetes, you might be able to ward it off for a few more years by maintaining a normal weight. But I have yet to see that it is preventable. And it is no more controllable than type 1 is. >I hear time and time again about people > getting stomach surgery and eliminating their condition. Tell me again > how it's not self-induced. Well, I don't know where you're hearing that. > Let's not be pretty, folks, because I live every second of my life with > a disease that I had not control over. I go to sleep every night > wondering if a low blood sugar will claim my life while I sleep. Well then perhaps you need more information on how to use insulin. > Now, if we could start by renaming the condition, then move onto lobby > the healthcare industry to differentiate the two so that type 1 > diabetes is covered like cerebal palsy is covered. Then I'll get some > rest and work on being more 'polite.' You go right ahead. I don't think you'll be getting much help from us here. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm OKAY -- now I get it. You're angry at those who SHOULD know better. Honestly, if I were in your type 1 shoes, I'd be more worried about getting more than two test strips a day and less about being "polite" as well. Alas, "Diabesity" (good book, bad title) seems to imply a causation chain, when a lot of theory (such as the "thrifty gene" hypothesis) actually runs the causation the other way: One element of a propensity towards type 2 diabetes (insulin resistance) also leads to a propensity for obesity. Doesn't help any that obesity gives a bit of a feedback into increasing insulin resistance. And who profits: Packaged food makers. Fast food chains. Cattle ranchers (the agribusiness-sized ones, anyway). Sugar cane and sugar beet producers. Why does a hamburger (at most fast food chains) cost 1/2 to 1/6 the price of a salad -- if they have a salad option? And then there's the canned/bottled beverage concerns.... Still, I'd have thought insulin-shooters, whatever the type, were supposed to test more often than twice a day -- and that your health-care payer would have gotten that message. I apologize in advance -- because it's clear from your posts they haven't. And since healthcare payers prefer to do their business over the phone, via voicemail, over the internet or by lost-in-the-mail mail, lanceting fantasies are even more difficult. Robert Leone rleone@hotmail.com >Honestly, if I were in your type 1 shoes, I'd be more worried about >getting more than two test strips a day and less about being "polite" >as well. Well said. If the poster is actually genuine, then she has some significant gaps in her diabetes education and support. She's been T1 since she was 12 and "MediCal, which I was on until recently, will only give me 2 strips per day. Try having control when you test twice a day. It is hell. I have dialy lows and highs. I always say I wish I had type 2 diabetes." If she diverted her energy and anger from T2's and misconceptions, to correctly asking the US T1's here how to improve her insurance support and type 1 control she'd be a lot better off. But she's too busy yelling to listen. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. This isn't even the truth. MediCal (Medicaid in California) will pay for the number of strips one's doctor prescribes. My husband's doc wrote his rx for 2/day, my dr. wrote for 4/day. Since we both use the same brand of meter we have plenty. If either of us gets more zealous about testing more times we simply have to ask for more per day on our rx. Both my husband and I are disabled and now over 65; both have had MediCal since 1992. Nancy F , SoCal, USA Christ, Chorus, Cats, Computers >>Honestly, if I were in your type 1 shoes, I'd be more worried about >>getting more than two test strips a day and less about being "polite" >>as well. (quoting earlier message)>>>> She's been T1 since she was 12 and "MediCal, which I was on > until recently, will only give me 2 strips per day. Try > having control when you test twice a day. It is hell. I have > dialy lows and highs. I always say I wish I had type 2 > diabetes."<<<< Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should have known better than to propose this to what seems to be a group of circle-jerking type 2 diabetics. I'll leave the rest of you to foam at the mouth over my rudeness while I excuse myself from the lion's den. At least one of my questions was answered, type 2 diabetics are truly in denial. If everyone seems hell-bent on ripping on type 1 diabetics for daring to say that they don't want to be lumped with type 2 diabetics, then you should be for what I'm proposing. Sheesh, this is why I hate diabetes support groups. > Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two > conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should > have known better than to propose this to what seems to be a group of > circle-jerking type 2 diabetics. While we're at it, we should separate out the different kinds of cancer -- the ones you get "because of your lifestyle", & the ones you "can't help". Then maybe *my* cancer treatment would be cheaper & some others' would cost more to balance it out. laurarhe does seem to think she's superior. Much too superior for the likes of us. Of course, she's young yet -- she's bound to foul up something along the way & learn a little compassion & humility. bj > laurarhe does seem to think she's superior. > Much too superior for the likes of us. Sally always did. I knew she couldn't stay away. >> Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two >> conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >& learn a little compassion & humility. >bj She's just got the "poor me" syndrome. If she is a drinker that may become "Poor me, poor me, poor me, pour me another one so maybe I can drown this depression." I've seen it happen many times. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 16, 2006 is 2,318. Americans wounded = 16,653 as of 02/07/2006 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 20, 2006 It has been 1054 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >> Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two >> conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >& learn a little compassion & humility. >bj that's not actually guaranteed. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:09:41 GMT, "bj" <bjones44@bellatlantic.net> >>laurarhe does seem to think she's superior. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>& learn a little compassion & humility. >>bj > that's not actually guaranteed. Yeah, I guess that's so. Amend above by stopping before the "&". :) bj > Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two > conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > diabetics, then you should be for what I'm proposing. Sheesh, this is > why I hate diabetes support groups. Who *is* this bigoted idiot? Methinks we may be being trolled. Priscilla >> Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two >> conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Priscilla A bigot, that was my first impression when I first gave him the "plunk" (killfile). He/she/it obviously intended to demean all the type 2's in this group. In his/her/it's opinion all us type 2's are a bunch of fat slobs that brought diabetes on ourselves and deserve to suffer the pains of DM. If everyone seems hell-bent on ripping on type 1 diabetics > for daring to say that they don't want to be lumped with type 2 > diabetics, then you should be for what I'm proposing. Sheesh, this is > why I hate diabetes support groups. You are not type 1 Sally. Time to go see your shrink, they hve some pretty pills for you. Sheesh, this is > why I hate diabetes support groups. Sheesh! Sorry, just had to do it Sally, you once accused me of copying your "sheesh" gimmick. >Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two >conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >diabetics, then you should be for what I'm proposing. Sheesh, this is >why I hate diabetes support groups. You don't suppose your superior demeanor might have something to do with what causes you to hate diabetes support groups, do you? If you don't get the answers you want then it must be something wrong with everyone else in the group. Right? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 16, 2006 is 2,318. Americans wounded = 16,653 as of 02/07/2006 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 104 Iraqi deaths are probably in excess of 100,000. Today, March 20, 2006 It has been 1054 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two >conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >diabetics, then you should be for what I'm proposing. Sheesh, this is >why I hate diabetes support groups. Are you aware that several of the posters "ripping" you are type 1? Mack has been Type 1 since he was (correct me if I'm wrong, Mack) eight years old. David is type one ( don't remember how long) Not sure about J. David Anderson. Yeah, some of the T2's that are posting in response are insulted. Primarily because your initial post said nothing regarding insurance companies as being the ones who have stigmatized the diagnosis of diabetes. Perhaps if you had initially asked how to go about getting the medical community and insurance community to see the difference between the two instead of claiming that T2's bring it on themselves (diabesity) Maybe you would have gotten a warmer reception. And you'll find, if you read a little more that some of the griping about the ADA on this group stems from the ADA's tendancy to view T2's as having the same dietary needs as T1's, when, as you point out, they do have diverging needs. You need to take the issue up with the medical/insurance communities rather than alienating a group of people who could actually offer some information on how to get what you need. There's a lot of knowledge in here amongst uninsured T1's and T2's. Be as pissed as you need to be. But clarify what you're angry at. It's not T2's. It's MedCal and your doctor. > Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two > conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > diabetics, then you should be for what I'm proposing. Sheesh, this is > why I hate diabetes support groups. Give it up! No one but you cares about YOUR issues with being classified as diabetic. T1, T1.5, T2, whatever. Get over it! Dave I'm sorry... you seem to keep changing the "actual issue". If you had come here and in your inital post had said: "Hey I'm a T1 who's having trouble with the medical community understanding the different needs of a T1 as opposed to a T2... anyone have any ideas about how to deal with this?" You likely would have gotten some decent dialogue going. But that's not at all what you did. So either you have to work on your communicaiton skills or you were just trying to bait us. Jennifer > Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two > conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > diabetics, then you should be for what I'm proposing. Sheesh, this is > why I hate diabetes support groups. > Can anyone address the actual issue? The "issue" was your arrogant, deprecating, condescending, totally unrealistic determination of the impact of type 2 diabetics on your type 1 world; coupled with your inability to reason or use logic. You whine about your pharmaceutical costs and blame type 2 diabetics for them. Dumb and illogical thinking. Most of the world's insulin production is used by type 2 diabetics, and it is the volume required by them that keeps costs down; making it possible for you to afford to purchase it. If insulin was produced for type 1's only the costs would inevitably be a great deal higher. The more they make of anything, cars, hamburgers, shoes, etc., the lower the costs. You didn't bother to think that through - did you? Why don't you apologise and say thank you to the type 2's for making your life a little easier? Back to the question that you are now proposing. It has some merit, they *are* two different diseases, and weight and blame aside, the defining of both as diabetes does pose some problems and confusion. It might be a good thing to name them in a way that differentiates more clearly, but it is unlikely to happen. I'm proposing that the two > conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should > have known better than to propose this to what seems to be a group of > circle-jerking type 2 diabetics. You look for support by being rude and patronising to those you seek support from? You don't appear to be too bright. Not destined for much success in life are you? Success needs people, but your people skills seem to be focused on alienating them. > I'll leave the rest of you to foam at the mouth over my rudeness while > I excuse myself from the lion's den. More self delusion? You do not make people "foam at the mouth" you little more than a mild annoyance. People don't hate mosquitoes or bugs, they just swat them and forget about them. No foaming required. > At least one of my questions was answered, type 2 diabetics are truly > in denial. What an inane claim to make. Not agreeing with you places someone in denial? You really do have a puffed up opinion of yourself, don't you? If everyone seems hell-bent on ripping on type 1 diabetics > for daring to say that they don't want to be lumped with type 2 > diabetics, Drop the plural. *You* made the claim, type 1 diabetics didn't. There are many type 1's here who are knowledgeable and supportive both the common types of diabetes. then you should be for what I'm proposing. Sheesh, this is > why I hate diabetes support groups. Are you a masochist? You seem to spend a lot of time in a place that you profess to hate, so I suppose that you must be. Regards David SignatureTo email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. > Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two > conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > diabetics, then you should be for what I'm proposing. Sheesh, this is > why I hate diabetes support groups. So then address this issue to the insurance industry. There's nothing we can do about it here. I have one kind of insurance and that's likely what I'll have for life. I have no plans of changing. It's not perfect but it's what is available to me. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm >Can anyone address the actual issue? I'm proposing that the two >conditions be separated in the eyes of the insurance industry. I should [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >diabetics, then you should be for what I'm proposing. Sheesh, this is >why I hate diabetes support groups. your problems have nothing to do with diabetes supports groups or type 2 diabetics. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >I'll leave the rest of you to foam at the mouth over my rudeness while >I excuse myself from the lion's den. Thank you so much. Always try to make somebody happy. If not by your arrival, then by your departure. Well done - bon voyage:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >I am truly <snip> >insulting <snip> >diabetics Not bad for a troll. This is post 54:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. I understand what you mean. I have T1, and when I mentioned to some older people that I had diabetes, the response was, "Wow, really? You don't look overweight at all... if you lose any more weight, you're going to blow away in a windstorm." Several people thought it was something I brought down on myself. It was hard convincing one person until explaining that a two-month old can get Type 1 diabetes; it's not due to diet. > I understand what you mean. I have T1, and when I mentioned to some > older people that I had diabetes, the response was, "Wow, really? You [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > was hard convincing one person until explaining that a two-month old > can get Type 1 diabetes; it's not due to diet. Neither is Type 2. Priscilla Priscilla, That's right. I have a friend with Type 2 that runs marathons and is as skinny as a stick. Chemo did it to her. I have another friend with MODY which is treated as Type 2. But has there ever been a 2-month old baby with Type 2 diabetes? > Priscilla, > That's right. I have a friend with Type 2 that runs marathons and is > as skinny as a stick. Chemo did it t |
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