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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2006Bird flu
At the hospital where I work, we've had 2 meetings concerning bird flu. At the one this morning they announced the results of a survey they had taken by anonymous ballet. The question was "If bird flu mutates and becomes a human pandemic, will you continue to work". The results was; yes - 7, no - 96. I voted with the no's. I am a single parent with a 14 month old daughter, I can not afford to take a chance on almost certain infection to a disease that might be near 100% fatal. The message is clear, if it comes to that; everyone will be on their own. Even the doctors and nurses that continue to work will be among the first to succumb. Hospitals and clinics will be closed. Sarah Sarah said: > At the hospital where I work, we've had 2 meetings concerning bird flu. At > the one this morning they announced the results of a survey they had taken [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Even the doctors and nurses that continue to work will be among the first to > succumb. Hospitals and clinics will be closed. My aunt is a poultry inspector for the State of California. She says it's not "if" but a matter of when. ~Lindy~ > Sarah said: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > ~Lindy~ Bird flu is certain to come to the US. Mutating into a form easily transmitted from human to human is by no means a certainty. Even if it does mutate, it is by no means a certainty that it will retain its high fatality rate. People should keep informed and be aware that they might be on their own in a worst case human flu pandemic. Sarah Anybody discuss whether wearing surgical masks would provide any protection while out in public in a pandemic? >> Sarah said: >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Sarah If anyone thought differently, they were fooling themselves. Without a vaccine, there isn't much anyone can do. Yes, I know in the hospital setting support measures can be given which *might* give someone the chance to recover, but if a significant portion of the hospital staff were sick (provided they'd agreed to work) then that's not a realistic expectation. Bird flu is frightening because we can watch it's steps and realize it has the *potential* to become the next pandemic. But its just as likely to mutate in another direction. If it the bird flu is to become a truly successful pathogen, it will need to decrease its propensity to kill. If it kills too many too quickly, the virus has less opportunity to spread. Take Ebola. When it first appeared, its mortality rate was a shocking 90%. When the next epidemic appeared, the mortality rate was @75%. Still too high for human comfort, but obviously a reduction in its lethalness. (Is lethalness a word? ;-) Michelle > If anyone thought differently, they were fooling themselves. Without a > vaccine, there isn't much anyone can do. Yes, I know in the hospital [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Michelle >If it the bird flu is to become > a truly successful pathogen, it will need to decrease its propensity to > kill. If it kills too many too quickly, the virus has less opportunity > to spread. This is true, evolutionary pressures would have its effect on the virus. But these pressures would not come to bare until the majority of susceptible hosts had already died. Wearing surgical masks in public would certainly help some, quarantining oneself would be the only certain protection. Kinda like using a condom when having sex with aids infected partners. Abstinence is the only sure protection. People don't realize just how bad it could be. There could be dead bodies laying in the streets and nobody willing to pick them up. Read the stories about the plague in Europe, they will give some idea on what could occur. Some experts have surmised that human bird flu would not be so bad in the US because of the better health care. They have said the death rate could be reduced by 50% with modern aggressive health care. We all know that aggressive health care will not be available to the general public, maybe no health care at all. Sarah >> If anyone thought differently, they were fooling themselves. Without a >> vaccine, there isn't much anyone can do. Yes, I know in the hospital [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >aggressive health care will not be available to the general public, maybe no >health care at all. In such an event, no doubt it would be almost impossible to get our med's refilled. What extra supply of med's should I keep on hand - 6 months? I guess it wouldn't really matter since there would be no food to eat anyway. A non diabetic could warehouse big bags of rice, beans, and pasta and survive as their staple of food. What kind of food could we diabetics warehouse since we can't eat starchy/carby foods? Stores would quickly run out of fresh vegees and low carb foods - our daily staple. No matter how you look at it, such an event would be hell on earth for us diabetics. > In such an event, no doubt it would be almost impossible to get our > med's refilled. What extra supply of med's should I keep on hand - 6 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > survive as their staple of food. What kind of food could we diabetics > warehouse since we can't eat starchy/carby foods? In such an emergency, I'd be worried more about mere survival than my blood sugar. If things went on bad long enough that I got complications, then at least I'd be around to deal with them! And if you're able to spread out your carbs (even if 'too many') enough over the day, you can (hopefully) ameliorate the damage somewhat. We wouldn't be able to assume continued or consistent power & water supplies either. Maybe you could stock up large supplies of canned meat/fish & veg -- they can be eaten w/o further cooking & contain some liquid as well. Type 1's, though would really be SOL. (& since I'm thyroidless, I'd better lay in an extra bottle of those meds.....) bj >> In such an event, no doubt it would be almost impossible to get our >> med's refilled. What extra supply of med's should I keep on hand - 6 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> survive as their staple of food. What kind of food could we diabetics >> warehouse since we can't eat starchy/carby foods? > In such an emergency, I'd be worried more about mere survival than my blood > sugar. If things went on bad long enough that I got complications, then at > least I'd be around to deal with them! And if you're able to spread out your > carbs (even if 'too many') enough over the day, you can (hopefully) > ameliorate the damage somewhat. I've discovered that I can eat small amounts of baked beans in tomato sauce without problems. I often add a few spoons of that to my breakfast egg and venison burger. I recall that when I was a teenager I once cycled hundreds of miles living mainly on corned beef and baked beans heated up together. In some kind of survival emergency I'd be likely to be taking a lot more physical exercise anyway. When I'm doing a lot of physical work I can snack my way through a lot of starchy carbs without a problem. The thing I'd need to stockpile would be test strips :-)  SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >In such an event, no doubt it would be almost impossible to get our >med's refilled. What extra supply of med's should I keep on hand - 6 >months? I guess it wouldn't really matter since there would be no >food to eat anyway. I keep a minimum of two month's worth of Metformin, but that's mainly due to living in a remote area. >A non diabetic could warehouse big bags of rice, beans, and pasta and >survive as their staple of food. > What kind of food could we diabetics >warehouse since we can't eat starchy/carby foods? Stores would >quickly run out of fresh vegees and low carb foods - our daily staple. >No matter how you look at it, such an event would be hell on earth for >us diabetics. I've got a large supply of low-carb soy-based pasta, and I've found I can eat black beans and lentils ok. I keep a large supply of frozen foods in, plus low-carb bread and tortillas. I've also got a very large stock of low-carb protein bars and shakes (mainly due to them being sold off cheap, in bulk, at a surplus store). Some brands of canned chilli are low in carbs, and I keep that in, as well as the low-carb progresso soup (cheese enchilada flavor). I also keep a stock of dried mushrooms, onions, etc. So, I figure I'd be ok for a couple of months, at least, but stocking up for longer than that is something to think about. I'd also be inclined to be less concerned with BG's in such circumstances. >> If anyone thought differently, they were fooling themselves. Without a >> vaccine, there isn't much anyone can do. Yes, I know in the hospital [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >Sarah You all have created a monster, for lack of a better name I'm calling him my Survival Nut. After reading this thread, he has become convinced the bird flu will come and it won't be safe to leave the house. He says total isolation is the only safe way to go. He has been reading all the solar power and survival food sites. He wants to put in a solar unit on our unused deck, he even had me out there pointing out where everything could go. Every time I try to discourage him, he comes up with an answer. When I asked him how much all that would cost, he said the money would do us any good if we were dead. I thought I had him when I said I couldn't live without my showers and a flushing toilet if the water went off. He even has plans for that. The worst thing is that he says we might have to lock ourselves in the house for over a year. Impossible for me to even comprehend that. Andrea2 Type 2 That sounds like overkill, especially for something that probably won't happen. The solar power system sounds interesting though. I would love to tell the electric company to kiss my a** and turn off the main switch for good. :-) > You all have created a monster, for lack of a better name I'm calling > him my Survival Nut. After reading this thread, he has become [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Andrea2 > Type 2 They make solar panels that look like shingles, so you can barely tell that you have solar power. http://www.oksolar.com/roof/ SignatureSuzi A1c 6.4 T2 DX 10/2002 Glucophage 2 x 1000mg Lipitor 20mg (3 days a week), Enalapril 20mg 30 minutes walks 7 days a week > That sounds like overkill, especially for something that probably won't > happen. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Andrea2 > > Type 2 >You all have created a monster, for lack of a better name I'm calling >him my Survival Nut. After reading this thread, he has become [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Andrea2 >Type 2 Hi Andrea Life goes on. I'm a survivor. It's in my nature. I do a lot of planning - but I enjoy it, I don't stress about it. Let's look at it from another point of view. If things go the way the doom-sayers predict - life as we know it will cease. Anarchy will reign, the law of survival of the fittest will apply. Most of your worries will be nothing compared to the nightmare to come. I see little point in planning for that. But that scenario has been foretold with every disaster and predicted disaster since the dawn of time. Sometimes, rarely, it was accurate. Even in the past century, Civilisation has evolved and survived two world wars, pogroms, holocausts, natural disasters, evil personified in individuals, and evil in pestilence and plague. Make your best, but not extreme, plans and get on with life. Solar power is a great idea - whatever your reason for installing it. So is self-sufficiency, when practicable. When I decided to wander around the world in 2003 there were people on all sides telling me not to. The SARS virus was supposedly going to sweep the world via airlines - and I was flying on 19 flights with a stuffed immune system. Iraq was about to be invaded (I departed March '03) and terrorists were going to blow up every Western airliner. And so on, and so on. I even had someone start raving to me about a predicted asteroid strike. There are always doomsayers. We went, had a wonderful time, and survived unscathed. We didn't even get mugged. SARS has become just another scare, the airlines are still flying, more people died on the roads back home while I was gone than from either threat. So we're going again. Don't let worry about remote possibilities like the bird flu evolving to a pandemic cause you stress. That's for the CBC and similar to worry about. If you must worry, do it about things you can do something about. Concentrate on living and creating a wonderful life. Just my opinion. PS I won't be visiting any chicken farms while I'm in Istanbul:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Sarah said: >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Sarah What happened to SARS? For a while that was THE next killer disease and now I don't hear much about it. Dave > Sarah said: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > ~Lindy~ I agree Here in Denmark, Scandinavia, we thought that "if", but now it is here, this week they have found it in two or three different places, and some of it is H5N1, the dangerous one.. But no human is ill from it. Louise How many towns in the United States have chickens running in the street? Some rural areas with water where flocks of birds light might have problems. But unless the flue is epidemic in flocks of sparrows, starlings and pigeons, I'm not going to worry. Chicken Little is probably a worse problem than bird flu. And I've fivited family graveyards in Minnesota where bunches of the stones list 1918, 1919, 1920 as the date of death. Nan, Type 2 - >How many towns in the United States have chickens running in the >street? Some rural areas with water where flocks of birds light might [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Nan, Type 2 - I feed birds in my back yard. I wonder if it is wise to continue to do so if and when infected birds present in my area? Of course we could store dried milk and canned tuna under our beds as the Secretary of Health and Human Services suggested. For now think I'll just take my chances. RB > I feed birds in my back yard. I wonder if it is wise to continue to > do so if and when infected birds present in my area? > For now think I'll just take my chances. > > RB Keep feeding the birds, my god!. I have a paranoid neighbor that has threaten legal action if my wife doesn't quit feeding the wild birds. I live in a rural community and on one of the only paved roads in the entire town. You can walk 100yds in any direction from my house and be walking amongst desert scrub and he's worried about wildbirds. I've called everyone from the city police, county sheriff, fish & game, public health nurse, Vets, Etc... and everyone said feeding wildbirds is "NOT" an issue. He's so paranoid that he claimed that he is moving his RV middle of the desert here in Arizona and keeping everyone & everything at bay(Armed another words). The bad part is, another neighbor already sold him a rifle. People are getting to carried away with this bird flu thing. I know it's a possible danger, but you have to keep things in perspective. These pandemic's have occured before and will occure again after this one is gone(remember the Hong Kong Flu). My wife is a RN and the hospitals already have procedures setup for these kinds of things. I'd be VERY, VERY surprised if people(nurses, doctors, etc...) quit showing up to their jobs if the bird flu turns into a pandemic. My wife trained to be a nurse, she isn't going to run away because of a flu outbreak. SignatureJoe W T2 Nov '05 30mg Actos, 3gr(1/2 tsp or 500mg pill) Cinnamon, Diet(>100 carbs) & 30 minute walk(everyday) & BowFlex 3x/week *****Diabetes, be proactive, not reactive.***** >> I feed birds in my back yard. I wonder if it is wise to continue to >> do so if and when infected birds present in my area? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >if the bird flu turns into a pandemic. My wife trained to be a nurse, she >isn't going to run away because of a flu outbreak. Has anyone else seen that fascinating movie "Blast from the Past"? This thread keeps reminding me of it. It's the movie where the dad in the 1960's thinks the nuclear war has occurred and keeps the family, including baby, underground for decades thinking the world is a radioactive wasteland; baby eventually emerges into LA in the 'nineties a little bewildered. I can see your neighbour in ten year's time in the desert... Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >Chicken Little is probably a worse problem than bird flu. Yep. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >How many towns in the United States have chickens running in the >street? Some rural areas with water where flocks of birds light might [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >And I've fivited family graveyards in Minnesota where bunches of the >stones list 1918, 1919, 1920 as the date of death. Even if "Bird Flu" becomes endemic in the bird population, the risk to humans is minimal. The worldwide death toll from bird-to-human contagion is around 100. West Nile virus is an even bigger threat, and it's been here for a while. The real danger with the "Bird flu" is *IF* it mutates to a form easily contagious from human to human. If that happens, it's 1918 all over again, this time with a far more fragile infrastructure. If that does not happen, it's not a major risk, at all. The key issues will be: *IF* it mutates, will it still maintain the same lethality rate? And If it mutates, how contagious will it be? If it maintains it's lethality, and becomes as contagious as, say, the common cold, they the world will become far less crowded in a hurry. It does indeed have the potential to be far more lethal than the 1918 flue, and that flu killed more people in the combatant countries then they lost in WW1. I see in the news there are now 2 cases of human bird flu in Egypt. http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/20/D8GF48UO0.html Every human case is bad news. If the virus evolves to human form, it will almost certinly be in a human host. If human cases can be prevented, than the likelhood of mutation is reduced. That's why it's so importent to quickly dispose of infected birds before humans are infected. Sarah Type1 > I see in the news there are now 2 cases of human bird flu in Egypt. > http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/20/D8GF48UO0.html > > Every human case is bad news. If the virus evolves to human form, it will > almost certinly be in a human host. The single point mutation that can change the H5N1 Avian Influenza virus into the H5N1 Pandemic Influenza virus can occur anywhere, in any animal, at any time. The larger the number of living creatures infected with H5N1 Avian Influenza virus, the larger the possibility of this occurring. > If human cases can be prevented, than the likelhood of mutation is reduced. Actually, it is the likelihood of reassortment with a human influenza virus (instead of mutation) to produce a hybrid one that has traded pathogenicity for increased human infectiousness that would be reduced. The likelihood of a point mutation changing the Avian virus to a pandemic one remains essentially the same since there are relatively few humans infected with the Avian virus at the present time. > That's why it's so importent to > quickly dispose of infected birds before humans are infected. The reason is actually to reduce the number of opportunities for the Avian virus to acquire the mutation that will change it into a pandemic virus with the full pathogenic potential that it currently possesses. This event would yield a worst case scenario of killing more than half of those infected including in the U.S. where the death toll could exceed 125 million. This certainly is starting to look more like the work of the 4th horseman (Revelation 6). No mutation happens by chance (Proverbs 16:33). Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for 03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo Prayerfully in Christ's love, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8 You've got to wonder what demented groper of other children's pets would rate the original post with 5 stars. I've started to reset the balance with a single star rating but just wish Google implemented a scheme to give negative-stars (little dagger shapes would be nice). Rev Mutacious C. Bass > You've got to wonder what demented groper of other children's pets > would rate the original post with 5 stars. Evidently someone concerned about the Bird Flu threat. Most folks who are familiar with what happened in 1918-19 would be in this category: 50-70 million people were slain by an avian pandemic virus that arose when WWI ended in 1918. > I've started to reset the > balance with a single star rating but just wish Google implemented a > scheme to give negative-stars (little dagger shapes would be nice). Thankfully, the folks at Google appear to have more wisdom than you. You will be in my prayers, dear Shawn whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name. May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIS light so that you will someday be able to read that which is written on HIS thigh: "KING of kings and LORD of lords." Amen and amen ! ! ! Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo Prayerfully in Christ's love, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8 Andrew B. Chung took is head out of his mommy's lap, stuck a yellow crayon up his nose and sneezed the following onto the keyboard: >> You've got to wonder what demented groper of other children's pets >> would rate the original post with 5 stars. > >Evidently someone concerned about the Bird Flu threat. Most folks who >are familiar with what happened in 1918-19 would be in this category: Or somebody who is so 'concerned' that he took a thread from alt.support.diabetes and shared it with sci.med.cardiology, alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.atheism I'm just surprised you didn't include alt.conspiracy.new-world-order and alt.conspiracy.princess-diana. BTW, I notice you didn't deny groping the other kids' pets. Rev. Mutacious C. Bass Muty wrote: > Andrew B. Chung wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > alt.support.diabetes and shared it with sci.med.cardiology, > alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.atheism Sorry the cross-posting bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my iniquities. You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name. May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIS light so that someday you will be able to read what is written on HIS thigh: "KING of kings and LORD of lords" (Revelation 19:16) Amen ! ! ! Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for 03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo Prayerfully in Christ's love, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8 >Sorry the cross-posting bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my iniquities. >You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and >holy name. I don't think I have long enough to forgive all your iniquities, but I'd be willing to start with your annoying habit of posting useless noise that you generate on newsgroups if you would simply take all your pseudo-religious w.nk over to alt.test >May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIS light so that someday you will be able to >read what is written on HIS thigh: >"KING of kings and LORD of lords" (Revelation 19:16) "I'll settle for that as long as I don't have to read anything written on your thighs." (Playbeing, December issue) Uh Oh ! ! ! Will be available to "fart" and squeek about this and other things like spamming cardiology and diabetes newsgroups, cooking Bird Flu during the 2006 global earthquake or pole dancing, For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how Andrew and THE LORD have reshaped my sig: Muty http://industrusmagic.tripod.com/id11.html > >Sorry the cross-posting bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my iniquities. > >You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and >holy name. > > I don't think I have long enough None of us have long enough Thankfully, eternal life is available through LORD Jesus Christ. Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for 03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (03/30/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD willing: http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo Prayerfully in Christ's love, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8 >> I don't think I have long enough >None of us have long enough >Thankfully, eternal life is available through LORD Jesus Christ. I have this image of the Holy Trinity sitting upon high, looking down in amazement and saying "Will this tool ever post on topic ?". I suspect that The All-Knowing won't be placing bets on that happening. Muty Andrew you are such a dumbass, what type of Doctor are you again? Why not go back to the text book (which I doubt you own or have read) and start examining the Plague in europe and it's to evolution from touching to airborne. In fact more people TODAY die of plague than they do of H5N1 Avian Influenza. More people today die of raging trots, otherwise known as the Mummy's Curse, Aztec Revenge, Fidels Smile or the Red Hot sh.ts. With the Xian doom patrol running around announcing another flu will end the world is just stupid. Humans have always lived with flus/colds/sickness through out all of history, and yes we catch them from our livestock. Sow flu (pigs), bird flu (chickens), foot and mouth (cow), syphillus (sheep), lime diease (dogs and cats with their fleas). The world isn't going to end because of a couple of dead bodies. > Andrew you are such a dumbass, what type of Doctor are you again? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > The world isn't going to end because of a couple of dead bodies. Just for your information, Lyme disease is not caught from dogs and cats with their fleas. Lyme (not lime) disease is caught by humans and dogs from a certain type of tick Dogs and humans are victims, not sources of the disease. Barbara C. > Just for your information, Lyme disease is not caught from dogs and cats > with their fleas. Lyme (not lime) disease is caught by humans and dogs from > a certain type of tick Dogs and humans are victims, not sources of the > disease. True, though pets and backyard wildlife are often cargo carriers bringing ticks into contact with humans. Unfortunately, lone star ticks have no been found in a much wider geographic area than before, and don't mind being out in the sun, heat and dry air, so their is more than one kind of tick transmitting tick borne diseases such as Lyme, ehrlichiosis, babesiosis, bartonella, rocky mountain spotted fever, etc... too often with a single bite. Humans also can develop illness from a common dog tick bite, not only from deer ticks. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Susan I had been told the common dog tick does not cause Lyme disease (by a physician, but what do they know?). We're lucky--we have had ticks here only 1 year out of the 19 we have lived here (South Florida). My daughter in NJ has a major problem with ticks, and has had Lyme disease as has one of her friends. She has no dogs or outside pets. We also treat our dogs -- though I hate the idea of doing so I realize it is necessary--regularly, though we find the treatment for fleas here not as effective as we would like. We have tried everything. Barbara C > I had been told the common dog tick does not cause Lyme disease (by a > physician, but what do they know?). It doesn't cause Lyme disease, but it does cause disease in humans, such as tick borne paralysis. Susan Sorry, correction noted. Should have googled before ranting. > Andrew you are such a dumbass If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength to resist the temptation of descending into namecalling. You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name. May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIS light so that you will someday be able to read that which is written on HIS thigh: "KING of kings and LORD of lords." Amen and amen ! ! ! Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo Prayerfully in Christ's love, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8 Here's one for you Andrew. Samuel 25:25 "May my lord pay no attention to that wicked man Nabal. He is just like his name-his name is Fool, and folly goes with him. But as for me, your servant, I did not see the men my master sent." Fool. Here's another one to satisfy your drivel to your imaginary friend. Rev 14:1b-3 There before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000... And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. Basically it means that there no room left in Heaven because I would guess that *AT LEAST* 144,000 Christains have dropped dead in the last month, if not week. > Here's one for you Andrew. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Fool. Without the LORD, words from the Bible are as empty and meaningless as your own life (Ecclesiastes). You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name. May GOD continue to draw you closer to HIS light so that someday you will be able to read what is written on HIS thigh: "KING of kings and LORD of lords" (Revelation 19:16) Amen ! ! ! Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory for 03/29/06, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (03/23/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST: http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo Prayerfully in Christ's love, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8 |
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