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Kurt - 15 Mar 2006 05:31 GMT
..make of it what you will.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2006-03-1
4T141143Z_01_L13140619_RTRUKOC_0_US-WEIGHT.xml


By Patricia Reaney

LONDON (Reuters) - If you want to keep the weight down, switch to a
meat-free diet, scientists said on Tuesday.

Researchers who studied the eating habits of 22,000 people over five
years, including meat eaters and vegetarians, found they all put on a
few kilos but meat eaters who changed to a vegetarian or vegan diet
gained the least.

"Contrary to current popular views that a diet low in carbohydrates and
high in protein keeps weight down, we found that the lowest weight gain
came in people with high intake of carbohydrates and low intake of
protein," said Professor Tim Key.

The research compared weight gain among meat eaters, fish eaters,
vegetarians and vegans -- who eat no animal products -- and is
published in the International Journal of Obesity.

It showed that on average people gained 2 kilos (4.4 lb) over five
years. None of the volunteers was overweight.

"The weight gain was less in the vegans than in the meat-eaters and
somewhere in between in the other groups," said Key, of Britain's
Cancer Research UK charity and the University of Oxford, who conducted
the study.

"The lowest weight gain was in people who changed their diet to eat
fewer animal products," he told Reuters.

Key and his colleagues said exercise was another important factor in
controlling weight.

"The data also showed that people who became more physically active
during the five-year period gained less weight than people who did very
little exercise," Key said.

The findings are from the British arm of EPIC (European Prospective
Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition), which is comparing the diets
of 500,000 people in 10 countries to discover how diet is linked to
cancer.

The EPIC study has already revealed that diabetics have three times the
normal risk of developing colorectal cancer, which kills more than
490,000 people worldwide each year.

It also showed that diet is second only to tobacco, as a leading cause
of cancer, and, along with alcohol, is responsible for nearly a third
of cancer cases in developed countries.

© Reuters 2006. All Rights Reserved.
Ozgirl - 15 Mar 2006 07:52 GMT
..make of it what you will.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2006-03-1
4T141143Z_01_L13140619_RTRUKOC_0_US-WEIGHT.xml


By Patricia Reaney

LONDON (Reuters) - If you want to keep the weight down,
switch to a
meat-free diet, scientists said on Tuesday.

Researchers who studied the eating habits of 22,000 people
over five
years, including meat eaters and vegetarians, found they all
put on a
few kilos but meat eaters who changed to a vegetarian or
vegan diet
gained the least.

Me (there were no attributes to distinguish between Kurt and
those who reply):

They are talking an average of 4.4 pounds over 5 years!
Thankfully this little gem is just an observation in a
cancer study.

"The data also showed that people who became more physically
active
during the five-year period gained less weight than people
who did very
little exercise," Key said.

Me again: That's a no-brainer!
Susan - 15 Mar 2006 14:43 GMT
> They are talking an average of 4.4 pounds over 5 years!
> Thankfully this little gem is just an observation in a
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>
> Me again: That's a no-brainer!

I lost weight on the vegetarian, low fat Ornish diet.  I also lost my
appetite, and my TGLS tripled while my HDL plummeted.  Then I developed
labile hypertension and PCOS, which I'd never had signs of before.

Susan
Quentin Grady - 15 Mar 2006 08:26 GMT
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>It showed that on average people gained 2 kilos (4.4 lb) over five
>years. None of the volunteers was overweight

G'day G'day Kurt,

Professor Tim Key has 30 listings on Pubmed all to do with the health
of vegetarians.

What I find significant is that NONE of the volunteers were
overweight.  While we might euphemistically call people who are obese
or even morbidly obese, overweight it seems reasonable to assume Keys,
being a professor is using the term in its scientific sense. The
reality is people who are slim can take liberties with things like
glycemic index and things like that, that obese people cannot.

Does it surprise anyone that in the general population, vegans and
vegetarians have less weight gain that non-vegetarians.  Hardly.
Vegetables are high water and fibre content.  Water and fibre are two
of the three vital ingredients for inducing satiety.  Many people who
are non-vegetarians wonder what vegetables are.  That doesn't mean we
have to be like the AVERAGE non-vegetarian.  We can eat a more
balanced diet which includes low carb vegetables and lean meat etc.

How many of you noticed the implication that fish eaters did better
than other meat eaters?   That's surprising since fish is often served
in batter filled with unhealthy fats.

While Kurt's post dealt specifically with weight gain, the article
deals with other issues such as the incidence of cancer etc.  There
one has to be very cautious in one's interpretation of population
data.  People who have the discipline to accept a vegan or vegetarian
life style are also likely to not drink alcohol or smoke.  Correlation
is a very different kettle of tofu from causation.

Best wishes,
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Roger Zoul - 15 Mar 2006 10:07 GMT
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:: life style are also likely to not drink alcohol or smoke.
:: Correlation is a very different kettle of tofu from causation.

Also, I didn't seem any mention of what the weight gain was, fat or muscle,
or some combination.  At less than a pound a year, one has to wonder.
Freckles - 15 Mar 2006 11:19 GMT
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> than other meat eaters?   That's surprising since fish is often served
> in batter filled with unhealthy fats.

I have read that many food fishes are now dangerous to eat due to pollution
of our waters.
This danger will grow and get worse as we poison more and more of the world
waters due to industrialization and over population.

> While Kurt's post dealt specifically with weight gain, the article
> deals with other issues such as the incidence of cancer etc.  There
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> Best wishes,
BJ in Texas - 15 Mar 2006 14:17 GMT
||  Correlation is a very different kettle of tofu from
causation.

This my favorite... :-)

http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001857.php

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Quentin Grady - 15 Mar 2006 19:21 GMT
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>||  Correlation is a very different kettle of tofu from
>||  causation.
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>This my favorite... :-)
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>http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001857.php

G'day G'day BJ,

 LOL.  

There is some doubt about the piracy figures. It is booming in a
couple areas eg off the coast of Eritrea and North of Australia.

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BJ in Texas - 15 Mar 2006 19:50 GMT
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|| in a couple areas eg off the coast of Eritrea and North of
|| Australia.

I think these figures were for the Caribbean Sea. I guess since
you have a thriving pirate industry that you don't have a global
warming problem... :-)

BJ
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Alan S - 16 Mar 2006 00:27 GMT
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>Best wishes,

Reading that, it occurred to me that so many evils could be
related to the demise of whalebone corsets around the turn
of the 19th/20th century: global pollution, two world wars,
population explosions...all triggered by saving the whales
from supporting mammaries.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Nicky - 17 Mar 2006 20:53 GMT
..make of it what you will.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2006-03-1
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"The weight gain was less in the vegans than in the meat-eaters and
somewhere in between in the other groups," said Key, of Britain's
Cancer Research UK charity and the University of Oxford, who conducted
the study.

I haven't read the study - but there ain't no such thing as the University
of Oxford. Oxford University is a collection of colleges....

Nicky.

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Chris Malcolm - 17 Mar 2006 21:47 GMT
> ..make of it what you will.

> http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=healthNews&storyID=2006-03-1
4T141143Z_01_L13140619_RTRUKOC_0_US-WEIGHT.xml

> "The weight gain was less in the vegans than in the meat-eaters and
> somewhere in between in the other groups," said Key, of Britain's
> Cancer Research UK charity and the University of Oxford, who conducted
> the study.

> I haven't read the study - but there ain't no such thing as the University
> of Oxford. Oxford University is a collection of colleges....

So are some other universities. Oxford university is a meaningful
entity with significant functions over and above those of the
comprising colleges and is quite often and properly cited as the
institutional home of academics belonging to one or another of the
colleges.

http://www.ox.ac.uk/

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