Hi All,
I have had diabetes type 1 since 1970 and I started to use insulin pens
around 1990, over 15 years ago. It made my life much easier because:
- I can bring my insulin anywhere, and if at a restaurant I can inject
at the table when I have place my order without running to the
bathroom.
- If I feel my blood glucose level is running high I can take a few
extra units to fix the problem wherever I am.
- I do not have to carry syringes or a bottle of insulin that needs
refridgeration, just the pen and some needles.
- I do not have to worry about being robbed of my syringes that can be
valuable to a drug addict, or worry about how to dispose of the used
ones.
And probably some other advantages I don't think of at the moment.
This all worked well when I lived in Sweden. When I moved to the US a
year ago I was covered by a United Health Care PPO and everything
continued to work fine. Now I changed jobs and switched to a Kaiser
Permanente HMO, and my problems begins.
They say they will not cover insulin pens, even with a higher co-pay,
since they are more expensive. I want to live with diabetes, not being
controled by it. Has anyone her had the same problem and found a way
around it?
Thanks,
Thomas
Owlyn - 14 Mar 2006 21:38 GMT
Kaiser has been problematic for years. Can you switch to a different
HMO?
thomas_b - 14 Mar 2006 21:57 GMT
It's a small company so that is the group plan they offer. I have been
thinking about getting an individual plan but I do not know what that
would cost me and if I would be eligable having diabetes and all. Does
anyone know? (I live in Colorado and have had continuos coverage since
I moved to the US in February, 2005 and was covered by Swedish national
health care before then.)
oldal4865 - 15 Mar 2006 02:51 GMT
thomas_b wrote in message
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>It's a small company so that is the group plan they offer. I have been
>thinking about getting an individual plan but I do not know what that
>would cost me and if I would be eligable having diabetes and all. Does
>anyone know? (I live in Colorado and have had continuos coverage since
>I moved to the US in February, 2005 and was covered by Swedish national
>health care before then.)
It is very difficult to get private (non-group) health insurance in the
U.S. as a diagnosed-diabetic.
I am guessing that your Kaiser plan is subsidized by your employer. I
would expect a non-subsidized plan to cost somewhat more than $6000/year for
a single person. (I don't really know; I'm just extrapolating from my
own coverage.)
Regards
Old Al
anothascreename@aol.com - 15 Mar 2006 09:25 GMT
> I am guessing that your Kaiser plan is subsidized by your employer. I
> would expect a non-subsidized plan to cost somewhat more than $6000/year for
> a single person. (I don't really know; I'm just extrapolating from my
> own coverage.)
Here are a couple of quotes for single persons in the SoCal area:
Age 19-29:
$1500 deductible + $960/yr
$25 copayment + $2124/yr
Age 60-64:
$1500 deductible + $4116/yr
$25 copayment + $4752/yr
The annual fees can be paid in monthly installments.
Detailed info (plans and benefitsat:
http://www.kaiserpermanente.org/
Cheers,
BoB
Jenny - 15 Mar 2006 15:55 GMT
>> I am guessing that your Kaiser plan is subsidized by your employer. I
>> would expect a non-subsidized plan to cost somewhat more than $6000/year for
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> Detailed info (plans and benefitsat:
> http://www.kaiserpermanente.org/
Except that in So Cal ANY tiny suspicion of any health issue can keep
you from getting insured unless you are self-employed and can get small
business group insurance.
And if you manage to get the group insurance and actually end up having
to use it, it can be an utter nightmare to get them to pay.
--Jenny
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
Sugar Under Control
Bill Salisbury - 14 Mar 2006 21:56 GMT
> Hi All,
>
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> Thanks,
> Thomas
I am with Kaiser in N California. I have not had any problems with
getting the cartridges. I have already had the refillable pen. If you
are asking for the non refillable type that may be the problem. Often
the manufacturer will give away the pen.
Bill Salisbury
thomas_b - 14 Mar 2006 22:01 GMT
Thanks Bill,
That is good to hear. I hope I can convince them. The FlexPen (non
refillable) has the advantage that if it breaks you are not stranded,
you just take a new one, but I am fine with any kind of pen since I
know they rarely break and I can always get an extra pen. I am more
than willing to pay for the pen(s) as long as I don't have to pay for
the insulin.
Thomas
Wooly - 15 Mar 2006 04:52 GMT
>Thanks Bill,
>
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>
>Thomas
>Bill said:
> I am with Kaiser in N California. I have not had any problems with
> getting the cartridges.
Here in Texas there is legislation on the books requiring group health
insurance policies to provide coverage for diabetes management
supplies and education.
Not all states are so forward-thinking. [ed: Yes, I know, Texas isn't
renowned for its forward-thinking politicians, I didn't vote for him.]
Does Colorado statute require such coverage? If not it is entirely
possible for any insurance carrier issuing policies in Colorado to
exclude diabetes supplies and care from coverage. Read the state
statutes addressing insurance. Read your policy thoroughly. Ask your
employer's benefits coordinator for clarification of anything you find
vaguely worded. Keep asking questions until you're satisfied with the
answers, even if the answers you get aren't the ones you want.
It may be that your particular insulin delivery method has not been
used by anyone previously on the plan and as such is not on the plan
formulary. Each plan's pharmacy benefits are negotiate between the
insurance carrier (Kaiser) and the purchaser (your employer) and
generally include several hundreds of commonly prescribed medications.
Insulin is commonly prescribed but I'd bet your particular delivery
system is not commonly used. You may need to talk to your benefits
coordinator about your situation so that your insulin delivery system
can be added to the formulary.
When I was prescribed Lantus in the cartridge delivery system the
insulin itself was a covered item but the pen needles required for
injection were not. It took me several weeks, several hours and many
harassing phone calls to both my insurance carrier and my husband's
benefits coordinator to have the pen needles added to the formulary.
The pen was a freebie, as far as I know, handed to me by the eduator
at my endo's office.
Good luck!
Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, an insurance industry flack, or any
other "official" source of information. I merely read and struggle to
understand all that legal bullshit I mentioned above so I don't get
screwed.
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Jenny - 14 Mar 2006 22:08 GMT
> They say they will not cover insulin pens, even with a higher co-pay,
> since they are more expensive. I want to live with diabetes, not being
> controled by it. Has anyone her had the same problem and found a way
> around it?
My problem was that Kaiser wouldn't diagnose me as a diabetic, even when
I was spouting blood sugars of 240 mg/dl and over in their doctor's
offices and refused to pay for anything diabetic.
I "solved" this problem by changing my insurance.
I remember reading other postings years ago from people also complaining
that Kaiser treatment for diabetics was mediocre.
If you're stuck with their insurance, go to their "Ombudsman" or
whatever they call their person who manages complaints and make a lot of
noise. It might help, you never know.
--Jenny
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
Sugar Under Control