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Hi folks, Thought I'd drop by and share my report card. The nurse called with just two numbers this morning. My triglycerides were way up to 277 but my A1c was 5.2. Everything else was great according to the nurse. The 24 hour lantus is great with one exception - 20-30 lbs of 'shake like a bowl full of jelly' belly fat. Waist went from 33 to 38, weight up to a portly 210. Yep, the last 35 years of running and weight lifting sure was worth the effort. Now days I wish I had spent the time drinking beer at the closest pub, bar or gasthaus. My grandson, is convinced I'm going to be Santa Claus. I'm convinced I'll be some where between Santa and Mrs Claus based on where my pecs end up. Hope this note finds everyone well or as well as one can be. Gene Congratulations on the marvelous A1c. I hope you doctor has you on some kind of statin to bring down the triglyceride reading. I didn't know that using insulin would bring about a weight gain like that. Hopefully, you have a good doctor that you have a lot of confidence in and between the two of you, you can work on those things. Take care and be well. > Hi folks, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Gene  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 13, 2006 is 2,309. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, March 14, 2006 It has been 1048 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." > Congratulations on the marvelous A1c. > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >>Gene Thanks, One doc gave me some pills to take the other took them away and said to stay on my present diet and the triglycerides would fall into line. I also didn't fast as well as I should have before the tests. My peanut habit caught up with me upon waking that morning. You know chuck I have been able to quit smoking, drinking and eating all manner of great foods but I can not seem to kick this peanut fixation. Before being Dx'd I didn't really care for peanuts - now days - don't stand between me and a peanut. And peanuts, at 2400 cals a jar are probably responsible for my new Rubenesque look. >> Congratulations on the marvelous A1c. >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >And peanuts, at 2400 cals a jar are probably responsible for my new >Rubenesque look. Great A1c. And I think you just answered your own questions:-) The only time I've had a non-fasting lipids test, an hour after a bacon and eggs breakfast, my trigs jumped. Time to find a new snack food. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>> Congratulations on the marvelous A1c. >>> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > d&e, metformin 2x500mg Yep, Alan, I am thinking of taking the advice of one here and bagging my nuts into smaller portions. >Yep, Alan, I am thinking of taking the advice of one here and bagging my >nuts into smaller portions. Be careful about that Chief.. it sounds extremely painful! :-) >>Yep, Alan, I am thinking of taking the advice of one here and bagging my >>nuts into smaller portions. > > Be careful about that Chief.. it sounds extremely painful! >:-) I knew someone was going to ping me on that stupid remark. As soon as I hit send I was looking for the unsend button. Thanks for breaking the suspense. >I hope you doctor has you on some kind of statin to bring down the >triglyceride reading. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Take care and be well. Lipitor did absolutely nothing to my trigs - but had a dramatic effect on LDL. My trigs dropped at the same time as my weight, and improved further as I cut the carbs to improve BGs. They crept up a tiny bit when I relaxed too much, both in control and in exercise. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > The nurse called with just two numbers this morning. > > My triglycerides were way up to 277 but my A1c was 5.2. Hi Gene, That a1c really looks good, and I guess you know you have got to do something about that triglyceride reading.... Not being on insulin, myself, I am not sure what to suggest, but I would guess that some of the problem is related to your appetite, which may be related to the insulin.... Just a guess. I sincerely hope you can figure out how to get that part of the picture under control. Wishing you all the best, Will, T2 >> The nurse called with just two numbers this morning. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Will, T2 Thanks Will, I pretty well know the problem is my stupid diet. I kinda knew the diet was wrong - way to many peanuts (24 oz a day habit). But for years I was a steak and potatoes restaurant predator and becoming a domesticated refrig dweller has been a daunting task - one I may never master. So I cheated and went on a meat, egg, and peanut diet. It worked great for the Bg but ...... Peanuts are sneaky little devils for a diabetic. They let you carb up without any Bg spike. Take care, Gene > >> The nurse called with just two numbers this morning. > >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Peanuts are sneaky little devils for a diabetic. They let you carb up > without any Bg spike. If you have the need for crunchy snacks why not keep a large bowl of crispy salad veggies, cut up ready to eat as is, or dip into something lowish carb. Having something conveniently ready can help. Peanuts are easy to grab. I buy 50 g bags only. "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in news:JkHRf.6693$dy4.1044 @news-server.bigpond.net.au: >> wmmckee@cox.net wrote in > news:4CCRf.42290$CI6.21580@trnddc07: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > conveniently ready can help. Peanuts are easy to grab. I buy > 50 g bags only. I wish I was different but I really am not a salad and veggie lover. I am trying to acquire the taste. Now days I do eat heathy omelets filled with plants of all discriptions and salads. I think it all went wrong when I was a kid and found out that fungus on my foot was a plant. Since then, plants are something I've avoided. "Chief" <Chief@polyglot.com> wrote in message > Since then, plants are something I've avoided. I would find it extremely difficult to control bg's without vegetables. It doesn't leave much to eat. You must be eating an incredible amount of protein. "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in news:eMHRf.6722$dy4.4596 @news-server.bigpond.net.au: > "Chief" <Chief@polyglot.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > vegetables. It doesn't leave much to eat. You must be eating > an incredible amount of protein. I don't think so. I guess I should keep better track of my eating. Today I ate one three egg omelet and that is all so far today and it's 1800 hours here. Also I'm not hungrey, but I have eaten about 8 oz of peanuts. > "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in news:eMHRf.6722$dy4.4596 > @news-server.bigpond.net.au: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Today I ate one three egg omelet and that is all so far today and it's 1800 > hours here. Also I'm not hungrey, but I have eaten about 8 oz of peanuts. Please tell that every day isn't as nutritionally deficient as today :) "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in news:TtIRf.6754$dy4.5926 @news-server.bigpond.net.au: >> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in > news:eMHRf.6722$dy4.4596 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Please tell that every day isn't as nutritionally deficient > as today :) Nope, today was one of the better days. This post not CC'd by email > Hi folks, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >My triglycerides were way up to 277 but my A1c was 5.2. G'day G'day Gene, The A1c is great. The 277 for triglycerides spells insulin resistance. >Everything else was great according to the nurse. Let's say for the moment that the "everything was great" was based on the blood test rather than the nurse enjoying having you as a patient. That would make your HDL about 50. Further your TG:HDL ratio would be over 5. This is not good. >The 24 hour lantus is great with one exception - 20-30 lbs of 'shake like a >bowl full of jelly' belly fat. Waist went from 33 to 38, weight up to a >portly 210. Yep, the last 35 years of running and weight lifting sure was >worth the effort. Now days I wish I had spent the time drinking beer at the >closest pub, bar or gasthaus. From a zillion miles away I hear I the anguish. You are probably thinking the exercise is a waste. Well it ain't. Being skinny is great but not as important as avoiding a sedentary life style. Sedentary life style has TWICE the mortality rate as being pot bellied. We would like that exercise to produce six pack abs. There is however an old song, "We can't have every thing we want." The obvious move to dealing with the pot belly is to get a higher proportion of calories from a suitable mix of vegetable and animal protein. It takes diet first to deal with the bowl of jelly. >My grandson, is convinced I'm going to be Santa Claus. I'm convinced I'll >be some where between Santa and Mrs Claus based on where my pecs end up. Humour helps except when we would rather have shout, "Hurrah" rather than "Ho, ho, ho" off to the gym we go. >Hope this note finds everyone well or as well as one can be. > >Gene Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin I am amazed at the lack of understanding in this group (not you personally) concerning insulin and weight gain. Okay, I'll try to explain it concisely: Normal person: Eat. Pancreas creates insulin. Food converted to glucose for fuel for body. Body uses insulin to take the glucose into cells. Whatever fuel isn't used (like by EXERCISE) is stored as fat. Diabetic person on insulin: Eat. Inject insulin. Food converted to glucose for fuel for body. Body uses insulin to take the glucose into cells. Whatever fuel isn't used (like by EXERCISE) is stored as fat. So, if there is not enough insulin available, not all of the glucose is absorbed, and instead runs around your body clogging up everything it can. Think of it as mud in the bloodstream. Not a problem for normal people- the pancreas knows just how much to make. Your wonderful A1C indicates that you are taking just the right amount of insulin- just as if your pancreas was doing it. That is good. And just as a normal person will gain weight from eating and not exercising, you will, too. Your weight gain indicates that you are not burning off what you eat. Bottom line: It's ELEMentary (Eat Less Exercise More) How you distribute the EL and the EM is up to you and your body. And yes, no one said this was easy. Some diabetics have been known to play the dangerous game of taking a little less insulin to hold down the weight gain. Major bad idea. > I am amazed at the lack of understanding in this group (not you > personally) concerning insulin and weight gain. Okay, I'll try to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Some diabetics have been known to play the dangerous game of taking a > little less insulin to hold down the weight gain. Major bad idea. Isn't there another option? Would it be possible for Gene to meet his nutritional needs with foods that don't require as much insulin? I agree that it would be very wrong not to keep his bg controlled, but from the little I've read about type 1 (not being one), I know that they can develop IR with over reliance on exogenous insulin. Susan >from the little I've read about type 1 (not being one), I know that they >can develop IR with over reliance on exogenous insulin. > >Susan quote the source please. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. >I am amazed at the lack of understanding in this group (not you >personally) concerning insulin and weight gain. Okay, I'll try to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Some diabetics have been known to play the dangerous game of taking a >little less insulin to hold down the weight gain. Major bad idea. Good description of a "TYPE 1" situation. However with "TYPE 2s" you left out THE most important factor, "insulin resistance". Just because a type 2 is injecting insulin does not mean that they are no longer insulin resistant, And at this point in the thread there are only 5 posts in the thread so how could you be "amazed at the lack of understanding" at this issue. Google is your friend. Insulin and weight gain have been discussed in here quite a bit and the understanding of the group on this issue, over all, appears to be a little more than what you have written. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. I never claimed that I was going to explain everything. I said it was going to be concise. I explained the basic mechanics of the situation to help the OP to understand why he was gaining weight. He thought it was due to Lantus. In a sense, it is, but the reality is that the reason is that he is taking the correct amount of insulin, and either eating too much or not exercising enough. Whether he is insulin resitant or not is clearly not the issue, as his A1C proves that he is taking the correct amount. I haven't seen anything recently where anyone demonstrated an understanding of this. In fact, I've seen a lot of guessing, and "well maybe it's because..." >I never claimed that I was going to explain everything. I said it was >going to be concise. I explained the basic mechanics of the situation [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >understanding of this. In fact, I've seen a lot of guessing, and "well >maybe it's because..." your post was not concise and omitting the part of how insulin resistance comes in to play shows the post was far from accurate. Saying that it is not an issue shows a great lack of understanding for this particular issue. Insulin resistance is a major factor in the use of insulin and weight gain. The A1c does NOT negate that in anyway. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. > >I never claimed that I was going to explain everything. I said it was > >going to be concise. I explained the basic mechanics of the situation [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Saying that it is not an issue shows a great lack of understanding for > this particular issue. Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on that point. > Insulin resistance is a major factor in the use of insulin and weight > gain. The A1c does NOT negate that in anyway. Explain how the A1C does not negate that. His A1C is perfect. This shows his BG has been in proper control for the last three months. Therefore, he is taking the correct amount of insulin for food consumed, exercise, and insulin resistance, and any other factors. >> >I never claimed that I was going to explain everything. I said it was >> >going to be concise. I explained the basic mechanics of the situation [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >is taking the correct amount of insulin for food consumed, exercise, and >insulin resistance, and any other factors. he's a type 2 injecting insulin. That means that he is injecting insulin on top of what his body is already making. Due to the insulin resistance that is a combined total far in excess of what you or would ever take. Just because his BG is in range does not mean that such a large amount of insulin in the body is not adding to his weight gain. There are many type 2s who get their BG in range without any weight loss or injected insulin. Do you understand why that happens? SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > >Explain how the A1C does not negate that. His A1C is perfect. This shows > >his BG has been in proper control for the last three months. Therefore, he [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > There are many type 2s who get their BG in range without any weight > loss or injected insulin. Do you understand why that happens? I don't even understand what you wrote. Only half of it makes sense. My original point was that the insulin is the cause of his weight gain- and it looks like you agree with that, but you think I said the opposite. I think you just like to argue. I'm done. Have a nice day. >> >Explain how the A1C does not negate that. His A1C is perfect. This shows >> >his BG has been in proper control for the last three months. Therefore, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >looks like you agree with that, but you think I said the opposite. I think >you just like to argue. I'm done. Have a nice day. nice flip, but that was not what you originally wrote. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>Owlyn >>I don't even understand what you wrote. Only half of it makes sense. >>My original point was that the insulin is the cause of his weight >>gain- Not the humungous amount of peanuts he was eating during that period? > I never claimed that I was going to explain everything. I said it was > going to be concise. I explained the basic mechanics of the situation [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > resitant or not is clearly not the issue, as his A1C proves that he is > taking the correct amount. Specificaly too many carbs - as indicated by the triglyceride levels. "Owlyn" <hide.me@verizon.net> wrote in news:1142359339.324120.78550 @p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com: > I am amazed at the lack of understanding in this group (not you > personally) concerning insulin and weight gain. Okay, I'll try to [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Some diabetics have been known to play the dangerous game of taking a > little less insulin to hold down the weight gain. Major bad idea. Your probably right, I did slack off a bit during the winter months but I never went up that much before. Usually 10 lbs over Christmas was about the norm. But I did leave off my jar a day peanut habit (2400 cals/jar) I've aquired since being Dx'd. I really can't exercise much more than I already do. So I guess I'll have to limit my peanut intake. By the way, I'm a type 2 on insulin and the kick in the pants is welcome. We all need one now and then. Gene > Hi folks, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > My triglycerides were way up to 277 but my A1c was 5.2. Great A1c (no doubt the insulin) Trigycerides... perhaps the insulin allowed you to carb up somewhat? High tris are a good indicator that carb input is too high, particularly for an insulin resistance person. "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in news:smFRf.6648$dy4.5878 @news-server.bigpond.net.au: >> Hi folks, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > good indicator that carb input is too high, particularly for > an insulin resistance person. How you doing? I don't eat more than 30gs of carbs of any kind during meals and most are less than that. But what I didn't tell anyone in my post is that I have this terrible habit. I am adicted to peanuts. I eat a 24 oz jar every day. that's 300 grams of carbs, 300 grams of fat, and 24 grams of sugar every 24 hours. I have to cut down and I'm working on it. I was kinda expecting the higher numbers because of the peanuts but I didn't expect triglycerides to triple. > I don't eat more than 30gs of carbs of any kind during meals and most are > less than that. But what I didn't tell anyone in my post is that I have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > higher numbers because of the peanuts but I didn't expect triglycerides to > triple. You need to stop keeping them in the house, period. Is there a 12 step program for Peanut Addicts? Maybe Overeaters Anonymous? Seriously, you know what the problem is, you have to fix it. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Susan Absolutely positively correct. I tried the Peanuts Eaters Anonymous group, (or PEA nuts as they like to be called), but there was only me, a Cubs fan and a retired circus elephant at the local meetings. After the elephant picked the Cubs fan for her partner I figured I'd try to kick the habit on my own. > I tried the Peanuts Eaters Anonymous group, > (or PEA nuts as they like to be called), but there was only me, a Cubs fan > and a retired circus elephant at the local meetings. After the elephant > picked the Cubs fan for her partner I figured I'd try to kick the habit on > my own. It's very hard to be stern with you when you make me laugh. ;-D Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Susan My wife has the same problem and with the number of times I screw up I thank God for that small gift. > I tried the Peanuts Eaters Anonymous group, >(or PEA nuts as they like to be called), but there was only me, a Cubs fan >and a retired circus elephant at the local meetings. After the elephant >picked the Cubs fan for her partner I figured I'd try to kick the habit on >my own. LOL Don't forget that sometimes that "One Day at a Time" has to be "Ten Minutes at a Time" or whatever period of time you can wait until you pop that next peanut. That is what I did when I quit smoking. Three days into not smoking we got hit by a snow storm which meant that I had to drive a snow plow 16 hours straight starting at ten in the evening. In other words with no sleep before hand. Oh how I craved a cigarette - just one little cigarette. I kept telling myself, 'You can wait another ten or fifteen minutes before going to the 7-11 to buy a pack.' Each time I would start plowing a residential street I would decide to finish that street before going after a pack of smokes. Eventually I was done and could punch out and go home. What's more, I never made that trip to the 7-11. After that I figured if I could just resist for the next half hour or so I probably wouldn't pick up another cigarette. That was in 1985 and I haven't had one since. There was a fairly long period of time when I was buying a one pound bag of baby carrots almost every day and snacking on those while driving a truck or piece of equipment. An added benefit was when I went to get my semi-annual teeth cleaning my dentist said my teeth and gums were in better condition than he had ever seen them. You may want to start by getting every last peanut out of your house, your car or anywhere else that you have some. Then at least you know you have to make a special trip to the store if you really, really have to have your peanut fix. Good luck to you. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 13, 2006 is 2,309. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, March 14, 2006 It has been 1048 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >> I tried the Peanuts Eaters Anonymous group, >>(or PEA nuts as they like to be called), but there was only me, a Cubs [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Good luck to you. My wife is from southern Alabama, peanuts were part of the wedding vows. >My wife is from southern Alabama, peanuts were part of the wedding vows. Are you sure you didn't just misunderstand the pronunciation of one of the words when they said it with the souther drawl? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 13, 2006 is 2,309. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, March 14, 2006 It has been 1048 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >>My wife is from southern Alabama, peanuts were part of the wedding vows. > > Are you sure you didn't just misunderstand the pronunciation of one of > the words when they said it with the souther drawl? Could have been. I just nodded when told to nod. >>>My wife is from southern Alabama, peanuts were part of the wedding vows. >> >> Are you sure you didn't just misunderstand the pronunciation of one of >> the words when they said it with the souther drawl? > >Could have been. I just nodded when told to nod. That was probably a sensible thing to do. Especially if the brides father or other member of her family had a firm grip on a double barreled 12 gauge at the time. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 13, 2006 is 2,311. Americans wounded = 16,653 as of 02/07/2006 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, March 15, 2006 It has been 1049 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >My wife is from southern Alabama, peanuts were part of the wedding vows. I've never forgotten those soggy boiled peanuts-in-the-shell, boiled in a converted 55gallon drum at the side of the road somewhere near Mobile. But I wish I could. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>My wife is from southern Alabama, peanuts were part of the wedding vows. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > d&e, metformin 2x500mg Ozark Alabama population a couple of thousand and home to boiled peanuts and Army Aviation > "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in news:smFRf.6648$dy4.5878 > @news-server.bigpond.net.au: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > higher numbers because of the peanuts but I didn't expect triglycerides to > triple. Well at least the possible solution is staring you in the face :) My liver can't handle that much fat. My brother used to very rarely eat a whole jar of peanut butter in one sitting. After a hospital admittance he gave it up ;) > "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in news:smFRf.6648$dy4.5878 > @news-server.bigpond.net.au: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > higher numbers because of the peanuts but I didn't expect triglycerides to > triple. Holy Cow, Gene! I think you'd better wean yourself onto something less damaging - coca leaves, maybe??? Love the A1c, but it's damn-all use to you if you're going to have a heart attack first. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >> "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in >> news:smFRf.6648$dy4.5878 @news-server.bigpond.net.au: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Nicky. There you go Nicky bringing a taste of reality to the discussion. I will cut back. The test is all the incentive I need. But I do appriciate the kick in the pants. > My triglycerides were way up to 277 but my A1c was 5.2. <snip> > Everything else was great according to the nurse. > > The 24 hour lantus is great with one exception - 20-30 lbs of 'shake like a > bowl full of jelly' belly fat. Waist went from 33 to 38, weight up to a > portly 210. Gene, Have you been eating more than you did when your waist was 33" or was the weight gain strictly from adding insulin without changing anything else? --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control >> My triglycerides were way up to 277 but my A1c was 5.2. > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood > Sugar Under Control I acquired a killer peanut habit of about a 24oz jar a day in December I'm working to cut down. I probably should have mentioned that little fact. It's really funny. before December I could care less about the peanut. Now I'm keeping the industry alive singlehandedly. > >> My triglycerides were way up to 277 but my A1c was 5.2. > > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > It's really funny. before December I could care less about the peanut. Now > I'm keeping the industry alive singlehandedly. Tryglicerides are something that can drop very quickly. Which is good. "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote in news:amHRf.6694$dy4.1497 @news-server.bigpond.net.au: >> >> My triglycerides were way up to 277 but my A1c was 5.2. >> > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Tryglicerides are something that can drop very quickly. > Which is good. I'm working on it. I sent my son out to get some raw peanuts which I will try to roast without sugar or salt. > I acquired a killer peanut habit of about a 24oz jar a day in > December I'm working to cut down. I probably should have mentioned > that little fact. I also absolutely love peanuts. I don't eat it everyday, but whenever I buy the 16oz jar, I finish it on the same day. However, recently, I have been able to cut it to 8oz a couple of times a week. One thing which helps is never buying a weeks supply. So everytime I want to eat one, I have to go & buy it at that time. I have seen peanut addictions posted here by others also. What's it with diabetics & peanuts? >> I acquired a killer peanut habit of about a 24oz jar a day in >> December I'm working to cut down. I probably should have mentioned [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > others also. > What's it with diabetics & peanuts? That is a subject worth looking into. I have never craved anything as much - even smoking or drinking was much easier to quit. I read something recently that meantioned fat intake and diabetes. Maybe that's the attraction, the fats. > I read something recently that meantioned fat intake and diabetes. > Maybe that's the attraction, the fats. I don't think so, at least not from my n=1 sample. I crave PB, but making stuff with cream cheese I can take or leave. Chak SignatureI would like at least one political party in this country to be willing to say that sex is fun and an important part of being human. --PZ Myers, http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/ Gene, As a self acknowledged peanut addict I fully understand your attraction to jar of peanuts. So hopefully sharing how I satisfy my cravings may help you explore your own method of satisfying your desire without paying the price. While I don't quite eat as much peanuts as you do, I am up there (around a 1lb give or take 4 Oz). However there are two major differences. I eat my peanuts raw by soaking them in water over 8 hrs. They do not come in nice jar but are also half the price. They do come with the skin and above all there is NO SALT or SUGAR added. To me they are shear delight to eat. I have gone down in my girth size from 40 to 36 and have not added any extra inches. I do eat other nuts like walnuts, pumpkin seeds (I know they are not nuts!) and sunflower seeds. None of these are salted. After Dx with all the changes I did in my diet I find that I have cut down on salt significantly as a side of my new diet. I do feel that over all it has done wonders in allowing me to control weight gain (dropped from 186 to 169). I am a T2 so some of my observations about what works for me may be out of place for you. I am also expecting by blood test results in 3/4 days when I would no how I am holding up. But judging purely from weight and BG testing (I test 6/8 times a day) I feel I am doing quite ok. Additionally my peripheral neuropathy (the main reason to keep me disciplined and on short leash all the time!) also seem to be regressing a bit most likely due to controlling my BG I suspect. The last I was at 33" around the girth was 20 yrs ago. I would love to be there now! So lets both make that as our goal for next year! Anil T2/ 52 Yrs/ A1C 5.7 Dx July '05 "Anil" <navkal@gmail.com> wrote in news:1142372426.747233.317130 @u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com: > Gene, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > T2/ 52 Yrs/ A1C 5.7 > Dx July '05 Thanks, Anil. hearing from a fell peanut lover is especially good. I'm T2 that's using insulin. The rapid weight gain I'm fairly sure is from the peanuts and the recent tests are reason enough for me to cut way down - and I will, but I will also look at using raw peanuts instead because I am also equally sure they help moderate my Bg and help my stomach. > Thanks, Anil. hearing from a fell peanut lover is especially good. > I'm T2 that's using insulin. The rapid weight gain I'm fairly sure is > from the peanuts and the recent tests are reason enough for me to cut > way down - and I will, but I will also look at using raw peanuts Raw peanuts are tasteless. Also I am not sure what advantage moving from dry roasted to raw would give other making you not like it & thus helping you quit. > instead because I am also equally sure they help moderate my Bg and > help my stomach. >> Thanks, Anil. hearing from a fell peanut lover is especially good. >> I'm T2 that's using insulin. The rapid weight gain I'm fairly sure is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> instead because I am also equally sure they help moderate my Bg and >> help my stomach. I was reading a post from Anil. He does his own and doesn't get the weight gain from his peanut habit. I thought I'd give it a try. But maybe your right and I could do as well soaking them in castor oil. Chief, I fully sympathize with the peanut addiction. I love nuts, and often get unsalted mixed nuts in a can. I get through a can in three days, and it's a 9oz can. That's probably excessive so I limit myself to a can a week. When they are gone, they are gone. 24 oz of peanuts is way too much IMHO! The calories alone would sure explain your, er, increasingly gravitational challenged status. This brings to mind the old but true saying: "You are what you eat." And you, my friend, are eating mainly nuts. :-) > Chief, I fully sympathize with the peanut addiction. I love nuts, and > often get unsalted mixed nuts in a can. I get through a can in three [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And you, my friend, are eating mainly nuts. :-) You should have met me 30 years ago - then I was really nuts. There isn't many days I don't wonder how I lived this long. > While I don't quite eat as much peanuts as you do, I am up there > (around a 1lb give or take 4 Oz). However there are two major [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they are shear delight to eat. I have gone down in my girth size from > 40 to 36 and have not added any extra inches. That may possibly because you eat 4 oz rather than 24 oz. I doubt if it makes a major difference whether you eat them raw or dry roasted. Gene and Just, There are a few points I would like to make. 1. The raw peanuts with skin intact are soaked in water. They taste VERY different than plain raw peanuts. Both my kids and many visitors to our house do like them but my wife does not. She does however like them when such soaked peanuts are microwaved (i.e. cooked a bit). I do not claim that every one will like them but its not that hard to try it out. If you do like them the resulting snack is healthy (in moderation :-)) 2. There is no SALT or sugar in the way I eat them. I did not read that Gene you were eating the dry roasted kind. But you did say that there was sugar in the peanuts you consume. I inferred from this that the peanuts may not be dry roasted. If I got that wrong I stand corrected. 3. Raw peanuts have skin. I like this extra fiber I get without having to go out of my way. 4. Unless your peanuts are dry roasted all other off the shelf varieties are roasted in some kind of hydrogenated oils. So if you do not like peanuts soaked in oil you may want make sure you are at least staying with dry roasted kind. 5. If you want to eat dry roasted go for unsalted. That is MHO. I know I have lost weight. And I know I am eating significantly more raw foods and lot less salt. What do you got to loose but a few inches here and there? Regards, Anil "Anil" <navkal@gmail.com> wrote in news:1142383337.186455.252820 @v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com: > Gene and Just, > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Anil The store brought dry roasted peanuts say they have 1 gram of sugar per serving and a 24 oz jar contains 12 servings or 12 grams of sugar. I'll try the soaked peanuts tommorrow. Here are few more Peanut facts: (Note additional amount availabel with skin intact) ==================================================== >From http://www.wscape.net/awnew/healthinfo/vits/vits_b3_niacin.htm Niacin RDA 16-19 Mg Niacin can be found in liver, broccoli, carrots, corn flour, dandelion greens, dates, eggs, fish, peanuts, pork, potatoes, tomatoes, wheat germ, whole-wheat products, lean meats, milk products, organ meats, peanuts, poultry, and seafood. Here are some examples. Food Amount Mg roasted peanuts with skin 1 cup 40 peanuts 1 cup 24 beef liver 1/4 lb. 18 ==================================================== http://www.hsibaltimore.com/ealerts/ea200309/ea20030910.html Perdue News - an online news outlet for the University - recently detailed the results of a new study that "proves regular peanut consumption helps reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease without weight gain." - from "Peanut Consumption Improves Indices of Cardiovascular Disease Risk in Healthy Adults" Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Vol. 22, No. 2, 133-144 (2003), jacn.org Please do read the original. I have no other data point to additionally support what they have said here on this link. I did not even realize a reason for soaking the peanuts. I did it as that has been the tradition and they do test delicious when eaten that way! Ok now I rest my case. Please do understand that I have no interest in asking this group to eat peanuts the way I do. But please don't tell me that its bad for a diabetes. It's just the opposite! And yes Gene YMMV! You may want to look at rest of diet before shooting peanuts. I suspect if you do like the way I eat they you will consume them in quantities a lot healthier for you! Anil "Anil" <navkal@gmail.com> wrote in message > Ok now I rest my case. Please do understand that I have no interest in > asking this group to eat peanuts the way I do. But please don't tell me > that its bad for a diabetes. It's just the opposite! And yes In moderation. In quantity the carbs rise, ditto the fat and calories. "Anil" <navkal@gmail.com> wrote in news:1142389008.948288.115900 @z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: > Here are few more Peanut facts: (Note additional amount availabel with > skin intact) [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Anil maybe it's the overall amount and not any one item. Either way I am going to get back to normal because I'm not buying anymore pants. The last two months of weird dieting added weight. I'll just spend two months losing it if I have to do all protein > Hi folks, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Hope this note finds everyone well or as well as one can be. Chief, I don't know if you got my E-mail from yesterday, but in it I suggested looking into Levemir, as it seems to have less weight gain issues than other insulins. Just a thought, and I have no experience with it. The Trigs do seem high, but that A1c is awesome!! Hmmm... Chief, given your peanut addiction, and the weight gain, I have to ask: Are you growing big ears and a trunk? <g> >> Hi folks, >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Hmmm... Chief, given your peanut addiction, and the weight gain, I > have to ask: Are you growing big ears and a trunk? <g> Only when I pull my pockets inside out. You don't happen to be doing head stands do you? Here is a salute to you Gene! With that sense of humor I wonder why you even got membership to this club! An healthy attitude and a strong sense of humor will take you long way in leading a joyful life. (As if you did not know that!) As Alan says in his sig go for moderation my friend. Wishing you the best of health... Anil "Anil" <navkal@gmail.com> wrote in news:1142418737.200573.235500 @i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: > You don't happen to be doing head stands do you? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Anil And you also Anil - take care. |
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