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I just got out of the hospital where I was being treated for diverticulitis and the hospital dietician visited me and enquired about my meals. I had just gotten off clear liquids and was -very- hungry. I tested at 87 the morning before my first solid meal. 4 hours afterwards I tested at 277. I had to have a shot of insulin. We got to talking and I asked her about the meal which was listed as a diabetic meal. It had some nice pork, pasta, sweet potato, apple sauce, tea with sugar, grape juice, milk, and cranberry juice. And white bread. I wasn't thinking too well (I blame the morphine) and ate the whole thing. She was surprised that I thought the meal unsuitable for a diabetic. She had counted only calories (2000) no thought at all for carbs, fast or slow. After I got home and could get on the net I checked the Mayo clinic web page for diverticulosis and diverticulitis. White bread is the worst thing you can eat if you have or don't want to get diverticulitis. I have to go back in on Tuesday for a visit with a surgeon and a possible operation. I am thinking of taking a sack lunch. 73 Gary Gary Pewitt N9ZSV Sturgeon's Law "Ninty percent of everything is crap" > I just got out of the hospital where I was being treated for > diverticulitis and the hospital dietician visited me and enquired [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > possible operation. I am thinking of taking a sack lunch. > 73 Gary That's rather shocking! I've seen three dieticians and all of them were keen on the carb count of foods. And some were rather clueless when it came to certain things. For example, they were pushing fat free foods such as cheese without realizing that those foods contained more carbs than the full fat versions. They also had me eating a totally fat free diet, given that I requested a vegetarian meal plan and then had me adding fat back into my meals so I'd get enough. Duh! I made the switch to real cheese (this is before I knew of the dairy allergy), real peanut butter, etc. I'd be curious to know what these dieticians really eat. The three that I saw were all very thin and didn't look like they ate much at all. I do actually know one person who went to college to become a dietician but this is not what she does for a living. She is overweight and if you knew what she eats, you might be horrified. She said she didn't go into this business because while she is good at handing out advice, she can't stick to it.  SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm >She said she didn't go into this business >because while she is good at handing out advice, she can't stick to it. Gee - an awful lot of people in service industries, including medics, would go out of business if that was a criteria. Some posters here may have difficulties too (didn't make my 10000 steps yesterday:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >I have to go back in on Tuesday for a visit with a surgeon and a >possible operation. I am thinking of taking a sack lunch. >73 Gary Find a lawyer first. Make sure the lawyer can spell malpractice. Yeah - I know you won't make a fuss, but it makes me mad. Ask Chris J about his hospital meals. Try ringing ahead and state your needs. If they won't meet them, then your sack lunch may be the only alternative. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Try ringing ahead and state your needs. If they won't meet > them, then your sack lunch may be the only alternative. I am trying to imagine a sack lunch :) >> Try ringing ahead and state your needs. If they won't meet >> them, then your sack lunch may be the only alternative. > >I am trying to imagine a sack lunch :) I'm presuming that USA sack = AUS brown paper bag:-) Now, lunch in the sack is another thing entirely - lots of fun but also lots of crumbs.... Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > >> Try ringing ahead and state your needs. If they won't meet > >> them, then your sack lunch may be the only alternative. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Now, lunch in the sack is another thing entirely - lots of > fun but also lots of crumbs.... That's what it means in some parts of the country. But not in others. Here, if you ask for a sack, you might get a double take. :) I only know the term because I was born in the midwest. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm > >I have to go back in on Tuesday for a visit with a surgeon and a > >possible operation. I am thinking of taking a sack lunch. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Try ringing ahead and state your needs. If they won't meet > them, then your sack lunch may be the only alternative. I gave up on hospital meals when I had my baby. I had ordered vegetarian meals. Time after time, I got either no meal at all (they forgot to send it), or something with meat on it. The only time they ever sent around a meal card asking me what I wanted was breakfast. And it didn't matter what I ordered, I always got the same thing. Scrambled eggs with bits of ham, soggy white bread toast, jelly, juice, milk, and coffee. I'll bet that hospital must have wasted a ton of money on food that went uneaten! I did manage to get a vegetarian meal once, but it was inedible. It was a "grilled" cheese sandwich. The food always arrived under a metal cover. I guess it was supposed to keep the food hot, but in the case of toast and such, all it did was make it soggy. Luckily there was a fridge there that I was allowed to use for my food. I brought in baby carrots, cheese, and a few other things. So I didn't starve. After I had the baby, she had to go back into the hospital for jaundice. Because I was breast feeding, I was allowed to have three meals a day. None of those meals were vegetarian and I found only one to be edible. It was a long bun with two meatballs in some red sauce on it. It sure could have used cheese, but other than that, not bad. The best hospital stay foodwise was when Angela went into Children's in Oakland to have her appendix out. There, they sent around a menu and you could order food up until 9:00 at night. They had tons of kid friendly choices like string cheese, baby carrots, celery sticks, nachos, etc. The portions were very small but you could order as many things as you wanted. My daughter kept requesting lots of things but she really wasn't up to eating much and had only a tiny nibble (if that) when the food arrived. Too bad other hospitals don't take this approach. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm >I just got out of the hospital where I was being treated for > diverticulitis and the hospital dietician visited me and enquired [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Gary Pewitt N9ZSV > Sturgeon's Law "Ninty percent of everything is crap" A few months ago I was in the hospital with pneumonia. I had just been served breakfast when my doctor came to see me. He told me my BG was terrible and he wanted me to stay in the hospital for another day or two so he and the other doctors could figure out what medicines worked best for me. I told him to look at my breakfast tray. Milk, juices, white toast and chocolate pudding among other things. I also pointed out, what the tech had told me the night before. I was getting breathing treatments which were very heavy in steroids. The tech told me the treatments would cause my BG to soar, which it did. Hospitals are no place for sick people. . >Hospitals are no place for sick people. Absolutely right. But I'm having some difficulties convincing them to move the CT scanner, OR, lab and associated staff into my lounge room:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. It had some nice pork, pasta, sweet potato, apple > sauce, tea with sugar, grape juice, milk, and cranberry juice. And > white bread. I wasn't thinking too well (I blame the morphine) and > ate the whole thing. She was surprised that I thought the meal > unsuitable for a diabetic. She had counted only calories (2000) no > thought at all for carbs, fast or slow. Gary, Write a letter to the director of the hospital recounting your experience the way you did here, mentioning the AACE recommendations for hospital blood sugar control (recently published) and demanding that they send their dietary staff back for some current education. Threaten to sue for malpractice. Years ago when I had my baby in a hospital I was treated by a nurse who was following out of date medical practice and refused to let me breastfeed. My doctor asked me to complain to the director of the hospital, because she said she'd had a lot of problems with this nurse but unless a patient complained the management would ignore it. I did complain and I got a very nice letter back that made it sound like they had paid my complaint some attention. My doctor ended up thanking me. So let the hospital management know that their dietary staff needs a major overhaul right now! --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control > Gary, > > Write a letter to the director of the hospital recounting your > experience the way you did here, mentioning the AACE recommendations > for hospital blood sugar control (recently published) and demanding > that > they send their dietary staff back for some current education. > Threaten to sue for malpractice. And if they do get sent back for training they may come back sprouting the immortal words "diabetics have the same nutritional needs as everyone else..." To nutritionists that means you have to eat lots of carbs to do that, to me it means I am challenged to find lower carb sources for the same nutritional benefits. The fact that lower carb alternatives do exist just does not compute with a heck of a lot of people in the medical field. :: I just got out of the hospital where I was being treated for :: diverticulitis and the hospital dietician visited me and enquired [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] :: unsuitable for a diabetic. She had counted only calories (2000) no :: thought at all for carbs, fast or slow. More proof that you can't just trust run-of-the-mill dieticians. They'll kill you dead. :: After I got home and could get on the net I checked the Mayo clinic :: web page for diverticulosis and diverticulitis. White bread is the :: worst thing you can eat if you have or don't want to get :: diverticulitis. ?? Curious. I have diverticulosis. I've never heard this. Of course, I don't eat white bread EVER as a diabetic. But still. I'll go check this myself. :: I have to go back in on Tuesday for a visit with a surgeon and a :: possible operation. I am thinking of taking a sack lunch. :: 73 Gary Good luck. :: Gary Pewitt N9ZSV :: Sturgeon's Law "Ninty percent of everything is crap" > I tested at 87 the morning before my first solid meal. 4 > :: hours afterwards I tested at 277. I had to have a shot of insulin. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > :: unsuitable for a diabetic. She had counted only calories (2000) no > :: thought at all for carbs, fast or slow. Gosh, Roger, that sounds like a horror story... Question, was the hospital on "Elm Street"? Seriously, it does look like they would know better. It is lucky for you that you have enough understanding to "take charge" of your own situation, so to speak. I wish you all the best. Will, T2 :: On 13-Mar-2006, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: :: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] :: you that you have enough understanding to "take charge" of your own :: situation, so to speak. I wish you all the best. Thanks, Will, but I think you meant to direct your well wishes to Gary. :) :: Will, T2 > Gosh, Roger, that sounds like a horror story... Question, was the > :: hospital on "Elm Street"? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks, Will, but I think you meant to direct your well wishes to Gary. :) OOPs, you're right, Roger, sorry Gary.... The above good wishes were intended for you, Gary, and were instead rendered into the considerate and kind custody of Roger, pending the correction of my mistake. Here's more good wishes coming at you, Gary! More "operator error", I guess.... Will, T2 Roger, the Mayo clinic page listed three things to avoid: White bread (or anything made from refined flour) Popcorn Sunflower seeds Damn, I like to snack on popcorn and sunflower seeds. They strongly recommended fiber from beans, broccoli, or supplements such as Metamucil or the like. The older I get the less things I can eat. Bummer >:: I just got out of the hospital where I was being treated for >:: diverticulitis and the hospital dietician visited me and enquired [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >:: Gary Pewitt N9ZSV >:: Sturgeon's Law "Ninty percent of everything is crap" Gary Pewitt N9ZSV Sturgeon's Law "Ninty percent of everything is crap" > Roger, the Mayo clinic page listed three things to avoid: > White bread (or anything made from refined flour) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The older I get the less things I can eat. There is a difference between diverticulitis and diverticulosis. Diverticulosis is the condition, pockets in weak spots. Diverticulitis is the inflammation and infection in these pockets. Along with antibiotics, a liquid diet or low fibre diet helps the infection heal quicker in diverticulitis but for diverticulosis the emphasis is on high fibre. My son has a terrible reaction if he eats bread with poppy seeds. > There is a difference between diverticulitis and > diverticulosis. Diverticulosis is the condition, pockets in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > high fibre. My son has a terrible reaction if he eats bread > with poppy seeds. My dad doesn't have a problem with popcorn, but he does have a problem with anything containing tiny seeds, like raspberries. I would assume poppy seeds would cause a problem as well. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm >> There is a difference between diverticulitis and >> diverticulosis. Diverticulosis is the condition, pockets in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > My dad doesn't have a problem with popcorn, but he does have a > problem with anything containing tiny seeds, like raspberries. I > would assume poppy seeds would cause a problem as well. My son is a chronic low fibre eater. Even with his pain and 1 hospitalisation he still eats low fibre. His father was the same (probably still is). He can't be told unfortunately. > My son is a chronic low fibre eater. Even with his pain and > 1 hospitalisation he still eats low fibre. His father was > the same (probably still is). He can't be told > unfortunately. My dad tends to go overboard with everything he does, including the fiber. The Dr. told him to pace himself. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm :: Roger, the Mayo clinic page listed three things to avoid: :: White bread (or anything made from refined flour) :: Popcorn :: Sunflower seeds Thanks. I looked but could not find it. I still don't get the white bread part, other than being a damn lousy excuse for food (in general). :: Damn, I like to snack on popcorn and sunflower seeds. :: :: They strongly recommended fiber from beans, broccoli, or supplements :: such as Metamucil or the like. Broccoli - YAY. :: The older I get the less things I can eat. Perhaps you're looking at it wrong. The older I get the better I can eat. :: Bummer :: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] :: Gary Pewitt N9ZSV :: Sturgeon's Law "Ninty percent of everything is crap" > :: Roger, the Mayo clinic page listed three things to avoid: > :: White bread (or anything made from refined flour) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thanks. I looked but could not find it. I still don't get the white bread > part, other than being a damn lousy excuse for food (in general). I think it's because in the digestive tract, it tends to ball up and get hard. At least, that's what the GI doc told me when I had pyloric stenosis. He said to avoid it, all bread, actually. Susan :: x-no-archive: yes :: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] :: get hard. At least, that's what the GI doc told me when I had :: pyloric stenosis. He said to avoid it, all bread, actually. Interesting. :: Susan Gary I hope you are doing much better. My friend was in the hospital for six weeks. I felt that the diabetic food they were going to give her would have sent her into la la land. I dont know where they get the amount of carbs they get, but I told her to pick and choose what she wanted to eat from the menu. I went on a trip and had lunch on the plane. I ordered diabetic meal and the food was so much higher in carbs than the regular meal my husband had. You would think hospitals would know better, but they dont. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Unbelievable! But you know it isn't just the diabetics who get inappropriate meals at hospitals. I have a friend who has rather significant heart disease at a young age--started in his mid 40's. (No, he's not diabetic too.) Anyway, he is as diligent about his diet and most of us here are. It's extremely low fat, about 10% of his calories, and no red meat ever. He had to go into the hospital for angioplasty after a mild heart attack and was totally shocked by what they fed him: pork chops with gravy! What's up with these people anyway? You'd think they're trying to assure repeat business. Michelle :: Unbelievable! But you know it isn't just the diabetics who get :: inappropriate meals at hospitals. I have a friend who has rather [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: for angioplasty after a mild heart attack and was totally shocked by :: what they fed him: pork chops with gravy! Actually, I'm not convinced that as long as he isn't overeating that this is a problem. Certainly, one meal won't do him much damage as might be the case with a diabetic at 277 (killing beta cells). :: What's up with these people anyway? You'd think they're trying to :: assure repeat business. :: :: Michelle >Actually, I'm not convinced that as long as he isn't overeating that this is >a problem. Certainly, one meal won't do him much damage as might be the >case with a diabetic at 277 (killing beta cells). Roger, I agree, the effect may not be as acute as it is with a diabetic, but it is not totally negligible if you have heart disease. Consider this: http://www.umm.edu/features/high_fat_meals.html So what are the effects of a high-fat meal, even just one? That's actually what we studied. We did a test to look at the health of a blood vessel and what we found is that 3 to 5 hours after the very high-fat meal, the blood vessel's function became abnormal. Now that doesn't mean if you have a single meal once in a while, you're at risk. However, if you already have coronary disease and you eat that high fat meal, it's possible during that period you could be at high risk of having a cardiac event. For a normal, healthy person, one high-fat meal may not have any detrimental effect and you might be okay, but that may be true if you're at high risk because of heart disease. But certainly, eating that way chronically, as a lot of Americans do, is detrimental. Michelle P.S. In any case, when one is doing all he/she can to maintain health, it's rather demoralizing that the people who are *paid* big bucks to look after your health seem to be doing all they can to undermine you. >>Actually, I'm not convinced that as long as he isn't overeating that this is >>a problem. Certainly, one meal won't do him much damage as might be the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > it's rather demoralizing that the people who are *paid* big bucks to > look after your health seem to be doing all they can to undermine you. What was eaten *with* the fat? Susan :: x-no-archive: yes :: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] :: :: What was eaten *with* the fat? "Your recent study compared blood vessel responses in 36 volunteers after consuming a 900 calorie high-fat meal consisting of an Egg McMuffin, Sausage McMuffin, two McDonald's hash browns and a beverage. The volunteers received four weeks of daily supplementation with a fruit and vegetable juice concentrate (capsule). Can you tell us about the study and the implications?" ??? :: Susan > "Your recent study compared blood vessel responses in 36 volunteers after > consuming a 900 calorie high-fat meal consisting of an Egg McMuffin, Sausage [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ??? I spent years searching, and never found a single study that established saturated fat as a health or CVD risk where carb quantity and quality was controlled. There are none. Other confounding issues are the types of fat in meat (sausage) that is feedlot raised, compared to the heart healthy meat from grass fed animals (dairy, too, is heart healthy when from grass fed cows). You can't study a diet that manipulates fat content while pretending that the rest of the diet is hormonally neutral. It's very basic to account for control of variables. I'm not saying that dietary saturated fat is as healthy as some other fats, but it has never been scientifically established as a cause of CVD. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >Susan Hi All Here is the actual study: http://tinyurl.com/hhmjd or http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/content/full/41/10/1744?maxtoshow=&HITS=&hits= &RESULTFORMAT=&author1=Plotnick%2C+G&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDE X=0&resourcetype=HWCIT Maccas have this fascinating page where you can work out what's in a meal. This is what you get for that menu (all in gms or cal): http://app.mcdonalds.com/bagamcmeal?process=flash Cal 950 Fat 50 Sat fat 16 Trans fat 5 Chol 0.275 Sodium 2.24 Carb 90 Fibre 7 Protein 34 That's not counting the beverage - which may or may not have been a diet drink (unlikely:-). Incidentally, according to Maccas, 50gms fat is 77% of your RDA and 90gms carb is only 30%, implying that the RDA is 65gms and 300gms respectively. So, in calling it high-fat - he was quite correct. We would also call it very high-carb - but others may not. I see little value in the experiment at all as far as specifically relating fat to the vascular effect - it is distorted by too many factors, not the least being that no effort was made to separate the non-fat foods from the experiment. That's not to say there is no effect - just that this "study" is hardly the vehicle to display it. One could equally say that the effect came from 90gms of carb or 34gms of protein - or the combination of all three, or just from eating nearly 1000 calories in one meal. I suppose it depends on what the researcher's aim is. Maybe I'm a cynic - but let me know when Dr Plotnick et al's new "fruit/vegetable juice concentrate with or without adjunctive phytonutrient supplementation" hits the market over there. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Incidentally, according to Maccas, 50gms fat is 77% of your > RDA and 90gms carb is only 30%, implying that the RDA is > 65gms and 300gms respectively. And there is no RDA for either of those, fat or carbs. I think these figures come from the US where they altered to the RDA to become the RDI (intake). :: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:42:09 -0500, Susan :: <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] :: Here is the actual study: :: http://tinyurl.com/hhmjd or http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/content/full/41/10/1744?maxtoshow=&HITS=&hits= &RESULTFORMAT=&author1=Plotnick%2C+G&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDE X=0&resourcetype=HWCIT :: Maccas have this fascinating page where you can work out :: what's in a meal. This is what you get for that menu (all in [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] :: :: So, in calling it high-fat - he was quite correct. I would disagree....RDA is not a good rule to gauge whether a meal is high fat or not. The % calorie composition is. We would :: also call it very high-carb - but others may not. Well, they're roughly the same. :: I see little value in the experiment at all as far as :: specifically relating fat to the vascular effect - it is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] :: of protein - or the combination of all three, or just from :: eating nearly 1000 calories in one meal. Exactly! Exactly! That's a lot of food for one meal, too. :: I suppose it depends on what the researcher's aim is. Maybe :: I'm a cynic - but let me know when Dr Plotnick et al's new :: "fruit/vegetable juice concentrate with or without :: adjunctive phytonutrient supplementation" hits the market :: over there. His aim was the do some "anti-fat" research and get a paper. Obviously. :: Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. :: d&e, metformin 2x500mg :: -- :: Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Actually, I'm not convinced that as long as he isn't overeating that this is >>a problem. Certainly, one meal won't do him much damage as might be the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > of a blood vessel and what we found is that 3 to 5 hours after the very > high-fat meal, the blood vessel's function became abnormal. Hmmm, looking at the high_fat_meals.html there would seem to be a question of what exactly caused the BART results, fat or carb load. The fat might postpone the results of the carbs in a "meal consisting of an Egg McMuffin, Sausage McMuffin, two McDonald's hash browns and a beverage." ::: Actually, I'm not convinced that as long as he isn't overeating ::: that this is a problem. Certainly, one meal won't do him much [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] :: bucks to look after your health seem to be doing all they can to :: undermine you. I agree with your last PS statement. However, I don't think I believe any of the results from the link you gave. If I understand things correctly, that meal was not only a high-fat meal, but a high carb meal, too. It simply isn't fair to provide a meal with a mixture of all macronutrients and then blame any negative reesults on fat contect. And what about transfats (hash browns)? How do we know these results are partially due to those? It's a diet of junk food, no less. Anyway, no biggie. I was just commenting.... >I agree with your last PS statement. However, I don't think I believe any >of the results from the link you gave. If I understand things correctly, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >(hash browns)? How do we know these results are partially due to those? >It's a diet of junk food, no less. >Anyway, no biggie. I was just commenting.... True, studies that call meals *high fat* are often *high carb* too. And they frequently fail to distinguish between the trans fats, saturated fats and monos. Imho, many studies fail to control properly for what they are supposedly testing. Unfortunately, they didn't ask me to set the parameters when they did the study. ;-) Personally, I'm not sure the fats--even the saturated ones--deserve quite the bad rap that they get because many of the studies are flawed. However, my friend is basing his diet on a doctor who had severe heart disease, clogged arteries, the whole 9 yards, (I think it was Pritikin, but don't quote me on that--I have enough trouble keeping track of diabetes research) and switched to a severely limited fat diet. He lived into his 90's and on autopsy showed no plaque. Therefore my friend found the pork chops rather undermining. Michelle > However, my friend is basing his diet on a doctor who had severe heart > disease, clogged arteries, the whole 9 yards, (I think it was Pritikin, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Michelle Pritikin died of cancer younger than that. Susan ::: I agree with your last PS statement. However, I don't think I ::: believe any of the results from the link you gave. If I understand [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] :: severe heart disease, clogged arteries, the whole 9 yards, (I think :: it was Pritikin, but don't quote me on that Ornish, maybe? --I have enough trouble :: keeping track of diabetes research) and switched to a severely :: limited fat diet. He lived into his 90's and on autopsy showed no :: plaque. Therefore my friend found the pork chops rather undermining. Well, who knows. What works for one may work for another. Also, someone surviving to become 90 after eating an extremely LF diet is good, but can we be sure of the reasons? There might have been some other characteristic of his way of eating that lead to his longevity. Again, who knows. :) :: Michelle >:: Unbelievable! But you know it isn't just the diabetics who get >:: inappropriate meals at hospitals. I have a friend who has rather [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Actually, I'm not convinced that as long as he isn't overeating that > this is a problem. Certainly, one meal won't do him much damage as > might be the case with a diabetic at 277 (killing beta cells). While it's certainly incongruous to serve up a meal that may not be totally in keeping with a heart healthy diet when someone is recovering from a heart attack, it is after all usually only a day or so in hospital after stenting. On the one hand you have the cardiologist giving you statins and telling you to watch the sat/trans fat and salt, then the hospital brings you a chop and gravy into the cardiac ward. Pork is good, certain cuts get the Heart Smart sticker here, but we don't know whether this chop had a big hunk of fat on the edge that some people like to eat or what the gravy was made of (probably worst part of the gravy is the salt (and artificial stuff) if it wasn't made from pan drippin's ;) But the best way to get someone to change their way is to lead by example. A nice cardiac friendly meal in the ward, post heart attack would be a good example. I had the opportunity to be with a friend the day after his heart attack and just before the stenting. The specialists came in to explain everything, how he needed a statin, regardless if his cholesterol levels, because whatever they were now certainly didn't prevent that heart attack. Talked about BP and need to take meds and reduce salt intake and up the fibre. Explained how the body makes enough cholesterol for our needs and that it is the excess dietary stuff that lays down on the arteries. Then showed a video of a stent being put in :) Apparently the meal that night was a fatty beef stew, tasted salty and had minimal veggies other than potato and a few overcooked green beans and a slice (yes a slice) of carrot - sachets of salt and pepper. The traditional "pudding" followed - canned fruit with custard and jelly. I was there the next morning to see the breakfast tray remains. The slip of paper had "cardiac full" on it. It had been cornflakes, white bread toast, butter, full cream milk, orange juice. Most of that you wouldn't find on your Pritikin style diet ;) :: Roger Zoul wrote: ::: Michelle wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] :: telling you to watch the sat/trans fat and salt, then the :: hospital brings you a chop and gravy into the cardiac ward. Good point. Do as I say not as i do (NOT). :: Pork is good, certain cuts get the Heart Smart sticker here, :: but we don't know whether this chop had a big hunk of fat on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] :: lead by example. A nice cardiac friendly meal in the ward, :: post heart attack would be a good example. Agreed. :: I had the opportunity to be with a friend the day after his :: heart attack and just before the stenting. The specialists [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] :: orange juice. Most of that you wouldn't find on your :: Pritikin style diet ;) Gosh....scary! >I just got out of the hospital where I was being treated for >diverticulitis and the hospital dietician visited me and enquired [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >possible operation. I am thinking of taking a sack lunch. >73 Gary Gary, I just saw this. That's appalling, but sad to say not unusual, both from what I have heard and personal experience. I was Dx'd with Dm T2 back in July, with a FBG over 600. So, what did they try and feed me? White flour spaghetti, white bread, oranges in syrup, salad with russian dressing, and I kid you not, cake for desert! There was a cup of purple mystery juice, too. I refused to eat most of it for obvious reasons, and headed down to the cafeteria (against their wishes). There, I found a salad with turkey breast, which I believe was about the ONLY healthy food in that whole hospital. Oh, they also tried to feed my honey-graham crackers for desert! And, indeed, white bread is one of the worst things for diverticulitis, and pasta is just about as bad. Also, watch out for things with small seeds: raspberries, strawberries, etc. My father had diverticulitis and those would always give him an attack. Suggestion: Tell you doc to write you a letter putting YOU in charge of your hospital diet. Alternatively, use the cafeteria if you are mobile. >Gary Pewitt N9ZSV >Sturgeon's Law "Ninty percent of everything is crap" He clearly wasn't talking about hospital food: the percentage would be far higher. >>I just got out of the hospital where I was being treated for >>diverticulitis and the hospital dietician visited me and enquired [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > He clearly wasn't talking about hospital food: the percentage would be > far higher. Chris, I think it was my junior year at UMass when I first saw this -- graffiti on a bathroom stall wall: "flush twice -- it's a long way to the dining commons." mt >>>I just got out of the hospital where I was being treated for >>>diverticulitis and the hospital dietician visited me and enquired [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >mt I saw the same graffiti at UMass, only in 1972. 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