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Kurt - 12 Mar 2006 09:12 GMT Please continue this discussion about non-meat meal basics here in this thread.
Thank you...
Kurt
Anil - 12 Mar 2006 15:25 GMT Kurt
Since Amy did create a thread on Vegetarianism and there is some discussion there I would put my replies in that thread. I know what you are saying is that you don't really care as long as your main thread of input to ADA remains just that!
Thanks for that efforts.
Anil
W.M.McKee - 12 Mar 2006 18:08 GMT >Please continue this discussion about non-meat meal basics here in this >thread. > >Thank you... > >Kurt Hi Kurt,
I do not claim to be a vegetarian, but my diet is about 90% vegetarian, meaning I eat mostly veggies and non-meat things most of the time, supplementing with small amounts of fish, chicken, turkey, lean beef, or pork about 3-4 times a week.. Also, I have eggs maybe twice a week and small amounts of cheeese, usually gouda, jarlsberg, or a sharp cheddar 2-3 times a week.
I tend to focus on greens, cruciferous veggies, beans (including lentils and chickpeas), mushrooms, artichokes, olives, nuts, berries, and anything else edible and tasty that is not processed. Ergo, I try to avoid altogether anything with trans fats, and I try to moderate, but not eliminate saturated fats.... About the only bread I have is in the way of sprouted whole grain breads..... Cottage cheese and sour cream work great on salads, by the way, along with red wine vinegar and onions.... My total calorie consumption is rarely more than 1200-1500 on any given day.
I have found that if I just stick to my basic plan, I can nearly always keep the blood glucose under the tight control advocated here in asd..... Never over 140, 1 hr post prandial, never over 110-120, 2 hrs post prandial, and nearly always 85-105 upon waking in the AM. I'd say that is more than I ever expected to achieve, considering how far gone I was just a year ago, when I was diagnosed. The inflammations have gone, and while some neuropathy remains in the right foot, it does not seem as bad.
The great thing about this approach is that it allows for maximum flexibility, while allowing me to really savor and enjoy a wide variety of great foods, including the occasional imibibing of salubrious amounts of wine and spirits. That is where Pete Romph has really helped out with his fabulous recipes. Thank you, Pete. We love you!
Here's to happy eating, everyone! Salut!
Will, T2
Pete Romfh - 12 Mar 2006 19:23 GMT > The great thing about this approach is that it allows for > maximum flexibility, while allowing me to really savor [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Will, T2 Glad to help out. I'm having fun creating new treats.
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Quentin Grady - 12 Mar 2006 19:49 GMT This post not CC'd by email On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:08:29 -0500, W.M.McKee <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote:
>>Please continue this discussion about non-meat meal basics here in this >>thread. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >and onions.... My total calorie consumption is rarely more than >1200-1500 on any given day. G'day G'day Will,
If anyone was looking for a good starting place, wondering what a T2 diabetic should eat then this description provided of your diet could be a template. It is not vegan yet it incorporates the strengths of vegan diet. It is not vegetarian yet it incorporates their strengths also. Notice the breadth of the diet, greens, lentils, chickpeas, mushrooms, artichokes, olives, nuts, berries, Essene style bread, onions, cottage cheese, salads, red wine vinegar and a little fish chicken, turkey, lean beef and pork.
You even made an excellent choice for legumes ... lentils and chickpeas are reputed to produce less farting that some others of the bean family. Frankly I can't flaw it, or suggest any improvements.
>I have found that if I just stick to my basic plan, I can nearly >always keep the blood glucose under the tight control advocated here [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Will, T2 Fabulous.
Best wishes,
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W.M.McKee - 12 Mar 2006 20:24 GMT >G'day G'day Will, > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Best wishes, Thank you so very much Quentin... You have been one of my greatest inspirations over the last year. I'll admit, I did read about a dozen books and innumerable articles over the same time period, but you have been a major player in helping me to bring it all together into a plan that works for me, at least. As Loretta says, we are all different.
On another note, Quentin, I do think of you every day. I wish I could make you well by good and happy thoughts. Of those, you do have a great abundance, from all over the world, as I am sure you must know. Just being able to exchange these messages with you has been a great gift, not only for me, but for all of us who have come to really appreciate you! As I say, you are a tremendously great example for us all.
Thanks always,
Will, T2
Quentin Grady - 13 Mar 2006 19:01 GMT This post not CC'd by email On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:24:24 -0500, W.M.McKee <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote:
>Thank you so very much Quentin... You have been one of my greatest >inspirations over the last year. G'day G'day Will,
You inspire me in return. You get it. You put it into practice.
No matter what I do, for the rest of my life some things will not work as they are meant to do. The anemia that showed up in a routine annual blood test for diabetics with never disappear. Some anemia is soon cured by improving iron, folic acid or Vit B12 intake. Some such as I experience is a hormonal malfunction.
>I'll admit, I did read about a dozen >books and innumerable articles over the same time period, but you have >been a major player in helping me to bring it all together into a plan >that works for me, at least. As Loretta says, we are all different. Good thinking. The bottom line is we have to make choices. We can get professionals to give us guidance, or we can read up for ourselves. In the end we have to decide which strategies to follow because our situations are unique.
>On another note, Quentin, I do think of you every day. I wish I could >make you well by good and happy thoughts. You do. As I explained to one of my students yesterday, there are many people in this world who watch over me. I call them my guardian angels. There are the people who carry my satchel of books and papers. There are the people who straighten out the room bookings. The GP who is there when my vertebrae seem intent on providing me with an internal lightening show. There are all the people at Farmers' Market who would email me if I wasn't there and demand an explanation. Put simply, we are all part of something greater than ourselves. I'm privileged in being able to experience that first hand.
>Of those, you do have a >great abundance, from all over the world, as I am sure you must know. So very, very true.
>Just being able to exchange these messages with you has been a great >gift, not only for me, but for all of us who have come to really >appreciate you! As I say, you are a tremendously great example for us >all. Thank you. Please don't ignore the equally valid thought that you are all a tremendous example to me. I had no idea how incredibly supportive the human spirit is till this happened to me. Before this I thought of it as existing sometimes in isolated pockets. Now I realise there is something universal.
>Thanks always, > >Will, T2
 Signature Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading."
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
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