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Kurt - 12 Mar 2006 09:12 GMT
Please continue this discussion about non-meat meal basics here in this
thread.

Thank you...

Kurt
Anil - 12 Mar 2006 15:25 GMT
Kurt

Since Amy did create a thread on Vegetarianism and there is some
discussion there I would put my replies in that thread. I know what you
are saying is that you don't really care as long as your main thread
of input to ADA remains just that!

Thanks for that efforts.

Anil
W.M.McKee - 12 Mar 2006 18:08 GMT
>Please continue this discussion about non-meat meal basics here in this
>thread.
>
>Thank you...
>
>Kurt

Hi Kurt,

I do not claim to be a vegetarian, but my diet is about 90%
vegetarian, meaning I eat mostly veggies and non-meat things most of
the time, supplementing with small amounts of fish, chicken, turkey,
lean beef, or pork about 3-4 times a week.. Also, I have eggs maybe
twice a week and small amounts of cheeese, usually gouda, jarlsberg,
or a sharp cheddar 2-3 times a week.

I tend to focus on greens, cruciferous veggies, beans (including
lentils and chickpeas), mushrooms, artichokes, olives, nuts, berries,
and anything else edible and tasty that is not processed. Ergo, I try
to avoid altogether anything with trans fats, and I try to moderate,
but not eliminate saturated fats.... About the only bread I have is in
the way of sprouted whole grain breads..... Cottage cheese and sour
cream work great on salads, by the way, along with red wine vinegar
and onions.... My total calorie consumption is rarely more than
1200-1500 on any given day.

I have found that if I just stick to my basic plan, I can nearly
always keep the blood glucose under the tight control advocated here
in asd..... Never over 140, 1 hr post prandial, never over 110-120, 2
hrs post prandial, and nearly always 85-105 upon waking in the AM. I'd
say that is more than I ever expected to achieve, considering how far
gone I was just a year ago, when I was diagnosed. The inflammations
have gone, and while some neuropathy remains in the right foot, it
does not seem as bad.

The great thing about this approach is that it allows for maximum
flexibility, while allowing me to really savor and enjoy a wide
variety of great foods, including the occasional imibibing of
salubrious amounts of wine and spirits. That is where Pete Romph has
really helped out with his fabulous recipes. Thank you, Pete. We love
you!

Here's to happy eating, everyone! Salut!

Will, T2
Pete Romfh - 12 Mar 2006 19:23 GMT
> The great thing about this approach is that it allows for
> maximum flexibility, while allowing me to really savor
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> Will, T2

Glad to help out. I'm having fun creating new treats.

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Quentin Grady - 12 Mar 2006 19:49 GMT
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>>Please continue this discussion about non-meat meal basics here in this
>>thread.
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>and onions.... My total calorie consumption is rarely more than
>1200-1500 on any given day.

G'day G'day Will,

If anyone was looking for a good starting place, wondering what a T2
diabetic should eat then this description provided of your diet could
be a template. It is not vegan yet it incorporates the strengths of
vegan diet. It is not vegetarian yet it incorporates their strengths
also.  Notice the breadth of the diet, greens, lentils, chickpeas,
mushrooms, artichokes, olives, nuts, berries, Essene style bread,
onions, cottage cheese, salads, red wine vinegar and a little fish
chicken, turkey, lean beef and pork.

You even made an excellent choice for legumes ... lentils and
chickpeas are reputed to produce less farting that some others of the
bean family.  Frankly I can't flaw it, or suggest any improvements.

>I have found that if I just stick to my basic plan, I can nearly
>always keep the blood glucose under the tight control advocated here
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>
>Will, T2

Fabulous.  

Best wishes,

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W.M.McKee - 12 Mar 2006 20:24 GMT
>G'day G'day Will,
>
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>
>Best wishes,

Thank you so very much Quentin... You have been one of my greatest
inspirations over the last year. I'll admit, I did read about a dozen
books and innumerable articles over the same time period, but you have
been a major player in helping me to bring it all together into a plan
that works for me, at least. As Loretta says, we are all different.

On another note, Quentin,  I do think of you every day. I wish I could
make you well by good and happy thoughts. Of those, you do have a
great abundance, from all over the world, as I am sure you must know.
Just being able to exchange these messages with you has been a great
gift, not only for me, but for all of us who have come to really
appreciate you! As I say, you are a tremendously great example for us
all.

Thanks always,

Will, T2
Quentin Grady - 13 Mar 2006 19:01 GMT
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:24:24 -0500, W.M.McKee <wmmckee@cox.net>
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>Thank you so very much Quentin... You have been one of my greatest
>inspirations over the last year.

G'day G'day Will,

You inspire me in return.  You get it.  You put it into practice.

No matter what I do, for the rest of my life some things will not work
as they are meant to do.  The anemia that showed up in a routine
annual blood test for diabetics with never disappear.  Some anemia is
soon cured by improving iron, folic acid or Vit B12 intake.  Some such
as I experience is a hormonal malfunction.

>I'll admit, I did read about a dozen
>books and innumerable articles over the same time period, but you have
>been a major player in helping me to bring it all together into a plan
>that works for me, at least. As Loretta says, we are all different.

Good thinking.  The bottom line is we have to make choices.  We can
get professionals to give us guidance, or we can read up for
ourselves. In the end we have to decide which strategies to follow
because our situations are unique.

>On another note, Quentin,  I do think of you every day. I wish I could
>make you well by good and happy thoughts.

You do.  As I explained to one of my students yesterday, there are
many people in this world who watch over me. I call them my guardian
angels.  There are the people who carry my satchel of books and
papers.  There are the people who straighten out the room bookings.
The GP who is there when my vertebrae seem intent on providing me with
an internal lightening show.  There are all the people at Farmers'
Market who would email me if I wasn't there and demand an explanation.
Put simply, we are all part of something greater than ourselves. I'm
privileged in being able to experience that first hand.

>Of those, you do have a
>great abundance, from all over the world, as I am sure you must know.

So very, very true.

>Just being able to exchange these messages with you has been a great
>gift, not only for me, but for all of us who have come to really
>appreciate you! As I say, you are a tremendously great example for us
>all.

Thank you. Please don't ignore the equally valid thought that you are
all a tremendous example to me.  I had no idea how incredibly
supportive the human spirit is till this happened to me.  Before this
I thought of it as existing sometimes in isolated pockets.  Now I
realise there is something universal.  

>Thanks always,
>
>Will, T2

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