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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2006Article: another stupidly written article on DM
http://www.theunion.com/article/20060311/NEWS/103110193 did you spot the error? Dave > http://www.theunion.com/article/20060311/NEWS/103110193 > > did you spot the error? > > Dave Yeah, pretty much everything except the price of the pump, which they got right. -- Liz >>http://www.theunion.com/article/20060311/NEWS/103110193 >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > :) Gee, I thought even that was off by $300. <g> maybe it went up since 2 weeks ago? dave >>>http://www.theunion.com/article/20060311/NEWS/103110193 >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > dave You're right. I just looked at the EOB I got from my insurance and see that Minimed billed them $6,195 for my pump last year. Insurance paid them $4,719.75. The first 3 months of supplies were not included in that charge. I have no idea how much a Cozmo or Animas pump costs but I guess it's about the same. -- Liz On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 00:19:26 GMT, "Elizabeth Blake" <poodlebone@spamless.earthlink.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >>>>http://www.theunion.com/article/20060311/NEWS/103110193 >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >I have no idea how much a Cozmo or Animas pump costs but I guess it's about >the same. nope. cozmore costs less and they billed me and my insurance less than the original price I was quoted when I first started the process to get mine. And that was before the trade in rebate.  SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. > nope. cozmore costs less and they billed me and my insurance less > than the original price I was quoted when I first started the process > to get mine. And that was before the trade in rebate. Mack, What is the retail price for the Cozmore system? I don't think any of the pump sites have actual prices listed, but I haven't really looked at them much. Insurance covered mine 100% so I wasn't too concerned about it. The $4,719 my insurance paid is what Minimed accepted as payment in full. The pump price included the infusion set inserter, BD Link meter (which I don't use), the cable and some software for downloading the pump. There were separate charges for the sets, reservoirs and even the IV Prep wipes. Whatb pump did you trade in? My pump is still less than a year old so I have a long time before I get a new one. When that time comes, if insurance still covers it 100% I'd just keep the old one as a backup, just in case. -- Liz Type 1 dx 4/1987 MM715 5/2005 Elizabeth Blake wrote: >>nope. cozmore costs less and they billed me and my insurance less >>than the original price I was quoted when I first started the process [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Type 1 dx 4/1987 > MM715 5/2005 The contracted price with Bluecross PPO is $4,495 for a MM515. Seems they receive a different amount from different insurance plans. Same thing to the penny for an Animas 1250. Dave Okay, here's another article. Spot the mistake! It's a very common one that I've seen over & over in various newspaper stories. http://www.yakima-herald.com/page/dis/316023278011705 -- Liz Type 1 dx 4/1987 MM715 5/2005 Elizabeth Blake wrote: > Okay, here's another article. Spot the mistake! It's a very common > one that I've seen over & over in various newspaper stories. > http://www.yakima-herald.com/page/dis/316023278011705 "By zeroing in on the cell phone signal and taking Dylan's description of the area, the call center was able to identify the block where the DeBlasios were parked and arrive in time to give David the insulin needed to save his life." >Elizabeth Blake wrote: >> Okay, here's another article. Spot the mistake! It's a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >arrive in time to give David the insulin needed to save his >life." I was reading yesterday with the TV on in the background. Just too lazy to get up and turn it off. There was a tear-jerker movie playing called "Escape from Wildcat Canyon" with Dennis Weaver playing the part of a diabetic (type unstated) grand-father stranded out in the snowy wilds for a couple of days with his son. At one stage they went looking for berries for him to eat because he "needed sugar". Fair enough - I could buy that. The bit you'd find interesting was several hours later, when they had a bit of drama as he showed the kid how to inject him with insulin after eating only those meagre berries hours before and climbing up and down mountains in the interim. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Elizabeth Blake wrote: >> Okay, here's another article. Spot the mistake! It's a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > arrive in time to give David the insulin needed to save his > life." We have a winner! I see this all the time. The story mentions how the diabetic in question went so low (s)he passed out, had a seizure, was unresponsive etc. Why? Because that person desperately needed insulin! It just amazes me that now, with diabetes in the news ALL the time, they still get it wrong over and over and over. One time when I passed out at work, my co-worker said she was thinking of giving me insulin but she wasn't sure how much she should give, so she just waited for the paramedics. With newspaper articles like the above, I'm sure many people would think of doing the same thing. -- Liz Type 1 dx 4/1987 MM715 5/2005 Elizabeth Blake wrote: >>Elizabeth Blake wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Type 1 dx 4/1987 > MM715 5/2005 I wonder how many people have be put seriously harmed from idiots giving insulin to an unconscious diabetic? Davev > I wonder how many people have be put seriously harmed from idiots giving > insulin to an unconscious diabetic? > > Davev Maybe I need to check my blood... please replace "be put" with "been". Dave > I wonder how many people have be put seriously harmed from idiots giving > insulin to an unconscious diabetic? > > Davev Fortunately, I don't think unconscious/low diabetics are actually given insulin much. It's just the morons reporting the stories that get it wrong. I don't recall reading any stories where someone with a dangerously high BG/DKA is reported as needing sugar, but I'm sure reporters will get to that eventually. -- Liz Type 1 dx 4/1987 Minimed Paradigm 715 5/2005 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:06:23 GMT, "Elizabeth Blake" <poodlebone@spamless.earthlink.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >> I wonder how many people have be put seriously harmed from idiots giving >> insulin to an unconscious diabetic? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Fortunately, I don't think unconscious/low diabetics are actually given >insulin much. "ever", unless you want to kill them. >It's just the morons reporting the stories that get it wrong. >I don't recall reading any stories where someone with a dangerously high >BG/DKA is reported as needing sugar, but I'm sure reporters will get to that >eventually. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. Elizabeth Blake wrote: > Okay, here's another article. Spot the mistake! It's a very common one > that I've seen over & over in various newspaper stories. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Type 1 dx 4/1987 > MM715 5/2005 LOL! Daddy is low, so they give him insulin! Dave >Okay, here's another article. Spot the mistake! It's a very common one >that I've seen over & over in various newspaper stories. >http://www.yakima-herald.com/page/dis/316023278011705 He was having a low, and they claimed he needed insulin!! Ugh.. I see this all the time, too. It's downright frightening! There is real danger here: That someone will believe it, and try and aid someone having a hypo by finding their insulin and giving them a shot. On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:19:00 GMT, "Elizabeth Blake" <poodlebone@spamless.earthlink.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >> nope. cozmore costs less and they billed me and my insurance less >> than the original price I was quoted when I first started the process [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >have a long time before I get a new one. When that time comes, if insurance >still covers it 100% I'd just keep the old one as a backup, just in case. when you are dealing with insurance and pumping the insurance company will negotiate with the pump company for a lower price and will always get it. Because that price is then standard with that insurance company and every pump bought from that maker. I had a minimed 508 and traded it in towards the deltec cozmore. I'm sure the newer minimed pumps can compare feature and quality wise with the deltec but I got fed up with minimed because of double billing and crappy customer service. After my company negotiated with cozmore they paid a little over 3 thousand and I only paid 280.00. when you can trade an old pump in towards a newer one depends on your insurance. With some it is between 3 to 5 years before they will authorize a trade up or upgrade. Usually around the time the warranty runs out. If the old pump is good working condition, you might just do well to keep it for a back up as you mentioned. Their trade-ins don't get you but a few hundred dollars off the price of the new one. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. > http://www.theunion.com/article/20060311/NEWS/103110193 > > did you spot the error? Yeah, you didn't mention that you've got to register before you can access the article. SignatureBeav OMF#19 VN 750 Zed Thou mail is beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com (with the obvious changes) > > http://www.theunion.com/article/20060311/NEWS/103110193 > > > > did you spot the error? > > Yeah, you didn't mention that you've got to register before you can access > the article. You can use Bugmenot.com to get login info for sites like that. For www.theunion.com it's: noreg@noreg.com password: yadayada -- Liz |
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