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Need suggestions for low-carb, high-calorie food/snack

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Peabody - 11 Mar 2006 00:51 GMT
I'm not overweight, and get a lot of exercise, including weight
training.  I've found that replacing what used to be staple foods,
such as tortilla chips, graham crackers and ice cream, with
low-carb stuff, has caused me to lose weight that I didn't want to
lose.  And some of the replacements, like cheese, have too much sat
fat.

So I need to find something to eat that's:

Cheap
Low-carb
No trans-fat
Low-sat-fat
High-mono-fat and/or protein
Tastes at least ok
High in calories

I thought I had found it - peanuts.  But then I read that peanuts
are "atherogenic" despite having monounsaturated fat, for reasons
nobody is sure about.  Actually, I'm not sure this has really been
confirmed in humans.

Of course, I could just go in and mix up some tofu and olive oil,
but remember I said "tastes at least ok".

I'm already eating tree nuts, including almonds and walnuts, and
besides, they aren't cheap.

I understand that this is not a typical problem, but just wondered
if anyone had a suggestion for what might work.
Jenny - 11 Mar 2006 01:07 GMT
> I'm not overweight, and get a lot of exercise, including weight
> training.  I've found that replacing what used to be staple foods,
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> Tastes at least ok
> High in calories

Creamline or whole milk yogurt with unsweetened shredded coconut, nuts,
and Strawberries or blueberries. Add a spoonful  of low carb cereal if
there's one that works for you to add more crunch.

--Jenny

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Susan - 11 Mar 2006 01:31 GMT
> Cheap
> Low-carb
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> are "atherogenic" despite having monounsaturated fat, for reasons
> nobody is sure about.

Lectins, I believe, are suspected.  Other nuts fit the bill, though.

 > Actually, I'm not sure this has really been
> confirmed in humans.
>
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> I understand that this is not a typical problem, but just wondered
> if anyone had a suggestion for what might work.

How about baba ghanouj and hummos?  You bring the calories up and the
carbs lower per serving by being generous with the olive oil and tahini,
both of which are high in healthy oils.  Eat with sliced cucumber
instead of crackers.  Almond butter is wonderful, right off the spoon or
on a couple of apple slices.  Hummos is a breeze to make at home, and
very cheap.  You can't eat a ton of it (carbs) but it's a good snack
with veggies.

Edamame, boiled and salted soybeans in the pod are delicious.

Susan
Jennifer - 11 Mar 2006 01:40 GMT
Sardines.
Cold silken tofu topped with soy sauce, sesame seeds and sliced
scallions (try it!  It was one of my staple lunches when I lived in Japan)
Avocados drizzled with a tiny bit of balsamic vinegar  or make guacamole
and dip in veggies or low carb chips
Smoked Salmon wrapped around cukes or asparagus
Hard Boiled Egg (every now and again)

Jennifer

> I'm not overweight, and get a lot of exercise, including weight
> training.  I've found that replacing what used to be staple foods,
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> I understand that this is not a typical problem, but just wondered
> if anyone had a suggestion for what might work.
Loretta Eisenberg - 11 Mar 2006 01:44 GMT
I just had two slices of low fat american cheese with a tsp of low carb
peanut butter for a snack,  I love it.  Of course, you can eat two
tablespoons at 190 calories with the two slices of low fat cheese at 50
calories each and the snack will be low carb and almost 300 calories.

Loretta

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bj - 11 Mar 2006 02:17 GMT
> I'm not overweight, and get a lot of exercise, including weight
> training.  I've found that replacing what used to be staple foods,
> such as tortilla chips, graham crackers and ice cream, with
> low-carb stuff, has caused me to lose weight that I didn't want to
> lose.  And some of the replacements, like cheese, have too much sat
> fat.

If you're getting a lot of exercise, why do you need low-carb snacks? Is it
a matter of timing? Can you not eat carbs even before &/or after a workout?
bj
Alan S - 11 Mar 2006 04:05 GMT
>> I'm not overweight, and get a lot of exercise, including weight
>> training.  I've found that replacing what used to be staple foods,
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>a matter of timing? Can you not eat carbs even before &/or after a workout?
>bj

Excellent point.

On snacks - avocados, eggs, yoghurt (plain with added
berries).
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Peabody - 11 Mar 2006 04:56 GMT
bj says...

> If you're getting a lot of exercise, why do you need
> low-carb snacks? Is it a matter of timing? Can you not
> eat carbs even before &/or after a workout?

I've found that it's no fun to lift weights immediately
after a meal.  And if I wait an hour after eating, the BG is
already up.

Most of the carbs I eat now are right after my workout.
Well, actually, more like 30-45 minutes counting the shower,
driving home, etc.

But maybe I need to experiment with this some more.

Thanks for everybody's suggestions.
Susan - 11 Mar 2006 13:35 GMT
> bj says...
>
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> after a meal.  And if I wait an hour after eating, the BG is
> already up.

Peabody, IIRC, you were not diabetic, just someone with fbg in the IGT
range when I suggested that you look into glycemic control?  I'm
wondering how high that one hour number is, and if it's a good place to
actually begin a workout?  Have your numbers, even on your new diet
plan, drifted into diabetic range?

If you choose not to carb up before a workout, then you can do what some
other athletes do to fuel a workout and remain  in ketosis, and that's
to sip a dextrose drink or something similar during the workout for
instant fuel without elevating bg.

> Most of the carbs I eat now are right after my workout.
> Well, actually, more like 30-45 minutes counting the shower,
> driving home, etc.

That seems like a good time to have some protein.  Have you read
anything about the targeted ketogenic diet, or cyclical, with carbs
consumed at times specifically to fuel workouts?

Susan
bj - 11 Mar 2006 15:57 GMT
> I've found that it's no fun to lift weights immediately
> after a meal.  And if I wait an hour after eating, the BG is
> already up.

don't think "meal", think "snack" -- like a small piece of fruit, 1/2 a
small sandwich, that sort of thing. Then don't wait all that long -- 5-15
mins should be enough for it to "settle".

Alternatively, you can munch (a bit here, a bite there -- ever notice how
tennis players eat a bite or two of banana during change-overs?) during your
workout, or use runners' type gel along the way. (but that isn't as much fun
as eating something you like that you can't otherwise or at other times).

Maybe you're doing "heavier duty" type weight lifting than I have experience
with, but that little bit of food might be ok.
bj
 
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