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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2006You can beat Type 2 diabetes!
FYI: Newspaper article about an engineer's success with beating diabetes: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060215/LIVING/6 02150311 Bottomline: You can beat Type 2 diabetes -- if you have the knowledge, faith, determination and support. Best of health, DeWayne DeWayne@DeathToDiabetes.com www.DeathToDiabetes.com >FYI: >Newspaper article about an engineer's success with beating diabetes: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >DeWayne@DeathToDiabetes.com >www.DeathToDiabetes.com In a word - bullshit! You may be able to control T2 diabetes to a point where you no longer need meds, but so far as anyone knows you cannot defeat it except by stopping breathing.  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 07, 2006 is 2,304. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, March 08, 2006 It has been 1042 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >In a word - bullshit! >You may be able to control T2 diabetes to a point where you no longer >need meds, but so far as anyone knows you cannot defeat it except by >stopping breathing. DeWayne - you may have missed this section in our charter: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Charter.htm "It is not intended that this group would carry commercial messages, binaries or HTML." That's why you're going to get a hostile reaction. I had a glance. I'm not sure I could handle broccoli and brussels sprouts daily for the rest of my life. Of course, the title is pure sales hype. I'll give you this; you're not all that far from us by the sound of it - but we don't cost $24.95. I don't agree with your juice ideas, or just four tests a day. I vaguely remember you appearing here before; different addy. I wonder how much of asd and mhd appear unattributed. I'd be interested in chatting to you - if you weren't here trying to make money instead of learning and supporting for free. Maybe I should write a book. No - cancel that. I'm too lazy:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > I don't agree with > your juice ideas, or just four tests a day. How many times do you test in a day? Once you have tested different foods, quantities, etc & know your body & food/ exercise interactions & have fairly stabilized your diet, what exactly is the point in testing more than a few times a week - especially considering you are a T2 & only on Metaformin. >> I don't agree with your juice ideas, or >> just four tests a day. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >more than a few times a week - especially >considering you are a T2 & only on Metaformin. Hi Just I don't disagree - but the critical point is that conditional statement: "Once you have tested different foods, quantities, etc & know your body & food/exercise interactions & have fairly stabilized your diet". How many of us actually know that? Maybe if we ate a boring routine formula and lived a boring routine lifestyle. I can only go by what I do myself. I accept that YMMV. There are some days when I don't test at all now; but there are still days when I am trying new foods or changing exercise routines where I may test a lot more. I like variety in my diet, so I can't assume things. Like today, when I thought that I may now, having started on metformin a while back, be able to have a sandwich for lunch with two slices of multigrain. I was wrong, and had my highest reading (8.9 - 160) for quite a while. That test led to a couple of others to see how much I dropped after trying to swim it off. After the pool - 6.6(119), another hour 3.8(68). Like the old days - the higher I go, the lower I go. Later, I tried a little extra brown rice with my curry at dinner - and that 1hr PP was OK at 6.6. So, in future I know I can have more carbs in the evening but I'm still restricted at noon. That was a worthwhile test, offering more freedom of choice when dining out. In general, these days I probably average 2-5 tests a day. However, the OP is promoting a book for newbies. That is a quite different situation and there I advocate testing up to ten times daily in the initial learning phase. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > However, the OP is promoting a book for newbies. That is a > quite different situation and there I advocate testing up to > ten times daily in the initial learning phase. How did you arrive at the number 10? Why not 8 or 15? >> However, the OP is promoting a book for newbies. That is a >> quite different situation and there I advocate testing up to >> ten times daily in the initial learning phase. > >How did you arrive at the number 10? Why not 8 or 15? From Jennifer's excellent advice (you have read it?): http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm "You might want to try some experiments. First: Eat whatever you've been currently eating... but write it all down. Test yourself at the following times: Upon waking (fasting) 1 hour after each meal 2 hours after each meal At bedtime That means 8 x each day. What you will discover by this is how long after a meal your highest reading comes... and how fast you return to "normal". Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or other carbs gives you a higher reading." As I also advocate "grazing" with smaller, more frequent meals and snacks there are at least four not three, meals or snacks in the day. So that means at least 10x each day. I found that some of the little snacks that I used to think were too small to bother testing caused some of the worst spikes of all. Like a 1" square, 1/2" thick slice of fruitcake at a diabetes support group meeting which sent me to 8.4 from under 5. I took my own dip to the next meeting. Fairly quickly, most newbies will start to find which reading is highest - one-hour or two-hour, or possibly 90 minutes. At that point I recommend testing only at the peak time unless that test is high, so the two after-meal tests can be reduced to one. And, of course, as foods and meals become predictable the tests can be further reduced to "maintenance" checks. In fact, I don't have any set number - but the highest number applies in the early stages of gaining knowledge about your own body. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>> However, the OP is promoting a book for newbies. That is a >>> quite different situation and there I advocate testing up to >>> ten times daily in the initial learning phase. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> How did you arrive at the number 10? Why not 8 or 15? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > At bedtime > That means 8 x each day. OK - that's an explanation for 8 a day. > In fact, I don't have any set number - So how come you advocate 10 times? > but the highest > number applies in the early stages of gaining knowledge > about your own body. >>>> However, the OP is promoting a book for newbies. That is a >>>> quite different situation and there I advocate testing up to [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> number applies in the early stages of gaining knowledge >> about your own body. Just add in testing before meals if they are more than 2-3 hours apart and you could easily go over 10, plus testing in the middle of the night on bathroom break to see what your BG's are doing during your sleep. Then add in testing for strenuous exercise or work, or during sickness, and the possibilities get up there. Earlier you asked Alan: >Once you have tested different foods, >quantities, etc & know your body & food/ >exercise interactions & have fairly stabilized >your diet, what exactly is the point in testing >more than a few times a week - especially >considering you are a T2 & only on Metaformin. I could never eat the same types of things day in and day out, except for rotating between about 10 different types of canned soups about 4-5 days per week for lunch. I also try to work in at least five different types of ethnic restaurants or meals a week. Sometimes I don't make up my mind about what I am having for dinner until an hour before hand. I would be bored out of my skull eating any other way. On the other hand, I only wear one colour of socks, two colours of slacks, and about six different colours of shirts. ;-) A co-worker kept encouraging me go to diabetes patient meeting where his friend often talked to newbies. After he asked me several times why I tested four times a day, I finally found out that his friend: has been a Type 1 for decades; is now about 70 years old; takes fixed shots of insulin (2 or 4?); and eats to his insulin regimen. He eats the same foods all of the time. When I realized from the description that the guy was using the same treatment regimen from either the early 1990's or maybe even the 1980's. Hey, it works for him. Needless to say, I didn't feel that I would learn any techniques from him, and I don't get derive "inspiration" from pep talks like others do. If you eat the same thing all of the time, and do the same physical things all of the time, and never vary in your insulin response or resistance, then you can probably get away with minimal testing. Many of us find that this diseases changes over time, and what works today does not work tomorrow. YMMV. Dennis (Type 2) > I could never eat the same types of things day in and day out, except for > rotating between about 10 different types of canned soups about 4-5 days > per week for lunch. I also try to work in at least five different types of > ethnic restaurants or meals a week. Sometimes I don't make up my mind > about what I am having for dinner until an hour before hand. I would be > bored out of my skull eating any other way. I'm the same. I do a shopping list for a week, and the whole family decides where in the world we want to eat from this week : ) I might cycle through recipes maybe once every couple of months or more. Took a long time to get a decent meals database when I started testing. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg > I could never eat the same types of things day in and day out, Who says you have to eat the same type of food day in & day out. However, I am sure that over a 3 month period you cover testing of 90% of all types of food you are likely to eat multiple times over & you would have all the data you need. >>>> However, the OP is promoting a book for newbies. That is a >>>> quite different situation and there I advocate testing up to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >So how come you advocate 10 times? Patience..patience.. From the bit you snipped, and didn't read: "As I also advocate "grazing" with smaller, more frequent meals and snacks there are at least four not three, meals or snacks in the day. So that means at least 10x each day. Let me repeat that: So that means at least 10x each day. continuing: "I found that some of the little snacks that I used to think were too small to bother testing caused some of the worst spikes of all. Like a 1" square, 1/2" thick slice of fruitcake at a diabetes support group meeting which sent me to 8.4 from under 5. I took my own dip to the next meeting. Fairly quickly, most newbies will start to find which reading is highest - one-hour or two-hour, or possibly 90 minutes. At that point I recommend testing only at the peak time unless that test is high, so the two after-meal tests can be reduced to one. And, of course, as foods and meals become predictable the tests can be further reduced to "maintenance" checks." Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > continuing: > "I found that some of the little snacks that I used to think [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > minutes. At that point I recommend testing only at the peak > time unless that test is high, The peak time depends on what you eat. For one meal, your peak maybe at 60 minutes, for a different meal, it may be 180 minutes. > so the two after-meal tests can be reduced to one. > And, of course, as foods and meals > become predictable the tests can be further reduced to > "maintenance" checks." Yes. But my idea of maintenance checks for a T2 who is only on metaformin or no medicines is 3-5 times a week. I am still trying to find out what purpose 3-5 times a day for serve for maintainence checks. > Yes. But my idea of maintenance checks for a T2 who > is only on metaformin or no medicines is 3-5 times a > week. I am still trying to find out what purpose 3-5 > times a day for serve for maintainence checks. So your body never ever changes and reacts differently to foods, exercise, stress, sickness? If you have have only been diagnosed a few years, sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride until your body and your disease both progress (means change) and start to whump you up the backside. I have not seen too many long time T2's posting here that have been static month after month let alone year after year after year. Dennis (Type 2) >> Yes. But my idea of maintenance checks for a T2 who >> is only on metaformin or no medicines is 3-5 times a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So your body never ever changes and reacts differently to foods, > exercise, stress, sickness? Of course it does. That's why I have do BG checks 3-5 times a week. If it didn't change at all, I would have stopped testing after the first year. > If you have have only been diagnosed a few > years, sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride until your body and your > disease both progress (means change) and start to whump you up the > backside. I have not seen too many long time T2's posting here that > have been static month after month let alone year after year after > year. >> And, of course, as foods and meals >> become predictable the tests can be further reduced to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >week. I am still trying to find out what purpose 3-5 >times a day for serve for maintainence checks. "3-5 times per week"??????? Isn't that a bit like playing Russian Roulette? Most of us can have swings during different times of the day. I have had some days, fortunately rare, where I may test in the low 80s at some point and at 200 or above at another, especially when I was sick last week. It's your body. To me, it just seems extremely foolish to only be testing 3-5 times per week. Even my doctor has told me to test a minimum of twice per day even though my last few A1c tests have been below 6.0. He also tells me to make sure I test at different times of the day in order to cover the entire range of before and after meals. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 08, 2006 is 2,306. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, March 10, 2006 It has been 1044 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >>> And, of course, as foods and meals >>> become predictable the tests can be further reduced to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Isn't that a bit like playing Russian Roulette? How so? > Most of us can have swings during different times of the day. I have > had some days, fortunately rare, where I may test in the low 80s at > some point and at 200 or above at another, especially when I was sick > last week. I test more when I am sick. > It's your body. To me, it just seems extremely foolish to only be > testing 3-5 times per week. Even my doctor has told me to test a > minimum of twice per day even though my last few A1c tests have been > below 6.0. He also tells me to make sure I test at different times of > the day in order to cover the entire range of before and after meals. I do that. If I do 5 tests a week, all 5 are at different times. Where does one draw the line for testing? Maybe someone testing 5 times a day will catch a problem faster than someone who tests 5 times a week. But someone who tests every half hour will catch a problem faster than the someone who is testing 5 times a day? So where exactly does one stop? Even after testing 3 times a day, one may miss stuff. i.e. I know many people who test 3-4 times a day, but do not test 1 hour PP at all. So maybe they have 140 2hrPP, but the one hour PP may have been 200 for all you know. :: On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:37:25 +0530, "Just" <just@leblanc.com> :: wrote: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] :: quite different situation and there I advocate testing up to :: ten times daily in the initial learning phase. I deal with this by rarely eating multigrain and rice. >I deal with this by rarely eating multigrain and rice. Well, I do believe we need some carbs, and I was trying to see if I could handle more now that I take metformin. As I found, the results were mixed. I still eat a couple of slices of multigrain bread, usually a half-slice at a time as snacks in the afternoon and evenings. They don't spike me then. And the way I know that is by testing as discussed. The kg of brown rice that I took the half-cup from for cooking was bought over two years ago:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >FYI: >Newspaper article about an engineer's success with beating diabetes: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >DeWayne@DeathToDiabetes.com >www.DeathToDiabetes.com Fellow, you are dreaming. Seen many like you for over 30 years. Several I had contact with have died after a real bad time. Control is the name of the game. Some of the article is good but there is no CURE. Some American agencies keep up the Cure routine to collect money. Five years is the buzz word. I have lived through several five year promises. I suggest the money is attracting people that will never find a cure. Control is the name of the game, On 8 Mar 2006 21:30:50 -0800, "Engineer@DeathToDiabetics.com" <Engineer@DeathToDiabetics.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >FYI: >Newspaper article about an engineer's success with beating diabetes: >http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060215/LIVING/6 02150311 if the reported knew about your past Internet behavior before writing that article I wonder how it would have been written? >Bottomline: You can beat Type 2 diabetes -- if you have the knowledge, >faith, determination and support. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >DeWayne@DeathToDiabetics.com >www.DeathToDiabetics.com you're still at it, with a great deal of misrepresentation and out right lies. sell your book somewhere else. On 8 Mar 2006 21:30:50 -0800, "Engineer@DeathToDiabetesbuymyspam.com" <Engineer@DeathToDiabetesbuymyspam.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >Path: dukenews1.cox.net!duke.cox.net!filt01.cox.net!peer01.cox.net!cox.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail >From: "Engineer@DeathToDiabetesbuymyspam.com" <Engineer@DeathToDiabetesbuymyspambook.com> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >DeWayne@DeathToDiabetesbuymyspam.com >www.DeathToDiabetesbuymyspambook.com OrgName: Road Runner OrgID: RRNY Address: 13241 Woodland Park Road City: Herndon StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20171 Country: US ReferralServer: rwhois://ipmt.rr.com:4321 NetRange: 66.66.0.0 - 66.67.255.255 CIDR: 66.66.0.0/15 NetName: RR-NYS-2BLK NetHandle: NET-66-66-0-0-1 Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: DNS1.RR.COM NameServer: DNS2.RR.COM NameServer: DNS3.RR.COM NameServer: DNS4.RR.COM Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE RegDate: 2001-01-17 Updated: 2002-08-30 RTechHandle: ZS30-ARIN RTechName: ServiceCo LLC RTechPhone: +1-703-345-3416 RTechEmail: abuse@rr.com OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE10-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Abuse OrgAbusePhone: +1-703-345-3416 OrgAbuseEmail: abuse@rr.com OrgTechHandle: IPTEC-ARIN OrgTechName: IP Tech OrgTechPhone: +1-703-345-3416 OrgTechEmail: abuse@rr.com DeWayne wrote in message FYI: > Newspaper article about an engineer's success with beating diabetes: > http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060215/LIVING/6 02150311 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Best of health, > > DeWayne@DeathToDiabetes.com Sounded reasonable even though the only cure known at this time is a transplant. The dietary guidelines are odd. Just check out the list at http://www.deathtodiabetes.com/uploads/Alternative%20Foods%20(slides).pdf See, instead of using artificial sweeteners, just use honey. Instead of drinking a diet soda, have some grape juice or apple juice! FTR, many of his ideas are just old ideas that diabetics have known for years. A fiber rich diet, lean meats, fresh vegetables and exercise works well to control diabetes. Just wondering why he touts Newman's cookies other than no trans fats? Many other people make similar cookies. Maybe he owns stock:) The diet would seem to be healthy for the most part but nothing that a well controlled diabetic couldn't handle. I just couldn't wrap my mind around the fact that he oneday said. oh, no Cheerios for breakfast!... think I'll make Brussels sprouts instead. Now that's really odd. I do like that he gives the nod to bagels, one of my arch nemeses. While whole what may be better than white, they both kill me! >DeWayne wrote in message FYI: >> Newspaper article about an engineer's success with beating diabetes: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >gives the nod to bagels, one of my arch nemeses. While whole what may be >better than white, they both kill me! Thanks for the detail nani - I didn't read that far. Grape juice or apple juice? Enough. Not just another loony - but one trying to make money out of it. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >DeWayne wrote in message FYI: >> Newspaper article about an engineer's success with beating diabetes: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >See, instead of using artificial sweeteners, just use honey. UGH! Just what a diabetic needs, more sugar! Thanks for the synopsis. > Instead of >drinking a diet soda, have some grape juice or apple juice! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >around the fact that he oneday said. oh, no Cheerios for breakfast!... think >I'll make Brussels sprouts instead. Now that's really odd. Brussels sprouts for breakfast is odd? Uhoh... That's one of the most common ingredients in my mixed veg, tofu, ground flax, mustard and tabasco breakfast. I actually like it. I have it three to four days a week. (the rest of the time I usually have salad). Hmmmm... But, I doubt that claiming that I'm odd would generate too much disagreement here. :-) > FYI: > Newspaper article about an engineer's success with beating diabetes: > http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060215/LIVING/6 02150311 > > Bottomline: You can beat Type 2 diabetes -- if you have the knowledge, > faith, determination and support. Nothing wrong with his methods - but I do wish people wouldn't spout about a cure, when it's a (very valuable) respite. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >>FYI: >>Newspaper article about an engineer's success with beating diabetes: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nicky. Nor very bright. are you> JUICE !!! loaded with fast carbs |
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