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Loretta Eisenberg - 06 Mar 2006 00:42 GMT
Actually I didnt know what to name this post.

Today, I went with my daughter and we had our taxes done.  One of the
women there, that I have known for over twenty years, has told me she is
diabetic.  She is about 45 or so and is at least 100 lbs oveweight.  I
jump into action and tell her about this group.  I then asked what she
does about it and she said ignore it.

I had made a point last week that I was no longer the diabetic police so
I just said that is so wrong.

My daugther, who always tells me I am a preacher, asked why I didnt say
anything.  I said she is a grown women, very well educated and smart
enough to know better.  Well Rachel was so incensed she laid into the
accountant and told her this is nothing to be in denial about,  She will
lose her eyesight, lose a limb, go on dialysis and maybe even die.

I taught her well.

She is now the diabetic police

Loretta

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W.M.McKee - 06 Mar 2006 01:18 GMT
>Actually I didnt know what to name this post.
>
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>
>Loretta

Oh, Loretta...

Please don't let your friend go....

Will, T2
Loretta Eisenberg - 06 Mar 2006 18:31 GMT
Will, the woman is not my friend,  She is my accountants wife and I only
see her once a year.  She has a large family and los of loved ones to
watch over her.  I am sorry, but my plate is too full to take on another
persons problems. :-)

Loretta

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wmmckee@cox.net - 06 Mar 2006 18:55 GMT
On  4-Mar-2006, Mary_Gordon@tvo.org wrote:

> I dunno about insulin like growth factors, but insulin itself doesn't
> survive passing through the gut, which is why diabetics can't take
> insulin orally.
>
> Mary G.

In that case, I am sure you are quite right. I thought she was closer to
you, for some reason. Also, I agee that when people do not want to be helped
and are in denial, it is not always worth the effort....

Thanks for the clarification, Loretta....  Is it snowing in New York today?
We are having a very cold rain down here on the Virginia coast ...to the
west of us it was snowing earlier.

Will, T2
Loretta Eisenberg - 06 Mar 2006 23:53 GMT
No snow in New York will,  As a matter of fact it is in the forties.
Yesterday was fifty and next week will bring us into the sixties.
Spring is almost here.

Loretta

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of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.
Alan S - 06 Mar 2006 01:41 GMT
>Actually I didnt know what to name this post.
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>
>Loretta

Love it:-)
I wonder what my boys are saying to their friends...

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Michelle - 06 Mar 2006 02:15 GMT
LOL.  Sounds like you have handed over the job to a very competent
police person.  :-)

Actually, I understand why you've decided you're no longer the diabetic
police.  Sometimes pointing out the obvious only alienates people.
Still, I ride the fence and try to jump off and give people a push
whenever I think there *might* be a chance to make a difference.  It's
a tough call.

Michelle
Loretta Eisenberg - 06 Mar 2006 18:32 GMT
Michelle, I immediately told the woman about asd and she wasnt
interested.  I didnt want to push further.  

Loretta

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Michelle - 06 Mar 2006 21:04 GMT
>Michelle, I immediately told the woman about asd and she wasnt
>interested.  I didnt want to push further.

>Loretta

Then I would have backed off just like you did.
Michelle
Cheri - 06 Mar 2006 22:05 GMT
Yes, I've found that to be true too. Sometimes, it's just best to let it
go.

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Cheri

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>>Michelle, I immediately told the woman about asd and she wasnt
>>interested.  I didnt want to push further.
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>Then I would have backed off just like you did.
>Michelle
Uncle Enrico - 06 Mar 2006 04:13 GMT
A truly great guy I used to work with never told me he had diabetes. I know
I told him I had it. I told everybody.

Tommy is one of a kind. He always decorated the office very elaborately for
every holiday at his own expense. He was in his 60's and was working as a
maintenance man at a high school. He brought platters of snacks and fruit
for the teachers and staff twice a week, week after week for years. He
brought  treats for the students as well.

One year, after handing the principal my retirement notice, I began to
debate if I'd made the right move. Tommy heard about it and said, "You're
too young to retire. I began to think of all the things I would miss in
retirement and withdrew my notice and worked another year. The next year,
the district offered a retirement incentive package and it was too good pass
up so I left. I'm glad I listened to Tommy and stayed an extra year.

After I retired, I didn't see much of him. Now I learn he's on dialysis and
going blind. I talked to his sister and asked her if he's being careful with
his diet. She said, "I never ask Tommy about that because he puts up a wall
and won't talk about it."

His sister works at the same school and has had to defend her brother in her
position as shop steward because the administration is complaining that his
work is declining. He's going blind so he doesn't see the little details he
always took care of.  She has to work with his doctors and nurses because he
never seems to know important details about his treatment. He'll be retiring
in June and she's making sure he'll get on Medicare and get the right
supplemental plan to pay for his dialysis.  His sister says that Tommy has
such a sweet nature, he just doesn't stand up for himself, not with the
doctors or the nurses, not with the complaining principal or that damned
disease.

> Actually I didnt know what to name this post.
>
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> of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
> terrorism.
Loretta Eisenberg - 06 Mar 2006 18:35 GMT
I dont think Tommy stood up for himself against his disease.  It is a
sad story as to his end.  He has no one to blame if he didnt try to keep
his disease in check,  Not knowing all the facts, I really cant comment
on what he did or didnt do.  But if he didnt do right by himself he
wasnt his own best friend.

Loretta

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Chakolate - 06 Mar 2006 07:11 GMT
> My daugther, who always tells me I am a preacher, asked why I didnt
> say anything.  I said she is a grown women, very well educated and
> smart enough to know better.  Well Rachel was so incensed she laid
> into the accountant and told her this is nothing to be in denial
> about,  She will lose her eyesight, lose a limb, go on dialysis and
> maybe even die.

Actually, I prefer your approach.  Your daughter didn't tell her
anything she didn't already know.  You might just have said something
like, 'When you're ready to start dealing with it, I have lots of
information for you.  Don't wait too long.'

I'm speaking from experience here.  I was in denial for about three
years after diagnosis, and as much as I wish I had those three years
back, I know there isn't anything anyone could have said that would have
moved me before I was ready.  

But your daughter is still pretty gutsy.  :-)

Chak

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W.M.McKee - 06 Mar 2006 10:54 GMT
>> My daugther, who always tells me I am a preacher, asked why I didnt
>> say anything.  I said she is a grown women, very well educated and
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>
>Chak

You are soooo right abut the denial, Chak... Someone in real denial
won't listen to anyone, no matter what is said, until they are ready
to come around.

Will, T2
Nicky - 06 Mar 2006 12:52 GMT
> Actually I didnt know what to name this post.

> My daugther, who always tells me I am a preacher, asked why I didnt say
> anything.  I said she is a grown women, very well educated and smart
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> She is now the diabetic police

ROFL - that's not taxes and diabetes, it's successful baton transfer : )

Keeping quiet is not a skill of mine. I'd have tried to talk to her about it
too.

Nicky.

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David - 06 Mar 2006 19:20 GMT
> Actually I didnt know what to name this post.
>
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> of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
> terrorism.

I worked with a gal who was at least 200 lbs overweight.  She was DM and
when she'd get her bg tested at the lab she would be 300-400+.  She
wasn't interested in carrying a meter!  She said, "what I don't know
won't hurt me".  yeah, right!  I encouraged her a few times to get and
use a meter.  there's only so much you can do when people are resistant
to help.  I presume she had a death wish.

Dave
gman99 - 06 Mar 2006 23:09 GMT
lose her eyesight, lose a limb, go on dialysis and maybe even die.

Here's a shocker....WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE !!!
guy - 07 Mar 2006 03:01 GMT
When I look at people in my age group,  death is not
so important.  It seems that living too long is the big problem.

As far as diabetes, I assure you that the complications is
not the way to be in old age. I would prefer to die in a hotel
room with a young chick.  

The issue of complications--- is that today you can do a
lot to postpone or alleviate them for many years.

I am there and my life is not too nice.  I make the most of what I
have since I learned how in the 1930's.  That was a burden a
kid did not need.

But it cured my arrogance  forever.

A few more need that lesson.
                                            Guy

>lose her eyesight, lose a limb, go on dialysis and maybe even die.
>
>Here's a shocker....WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE !!!
Alan S - 07 Mar 2006 07:28 GMT
>As far as diabetes, I assure you that the complications is
>not the way to be in old age. I would prefer to die in a hotel
>room with a young chick.

In these days of bird flu - that may be possible.

Develop a long-term strategic plan Guy; something like being
the defendant in a paternity suit on your 100th birthday:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Alan S - 07 Mar 2006 07:25 GMT
>lose her eyesight, lose a limb, go on dialysis and maybe even die.
>
>Here's a shocker....WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE !!!

That statement is about as useful in this conversation as
the little kids yelling at drivers that their wheels are
going 'round - just to distract them and play games. And
about as intelligent.

Some of us are interested in delaying the speed of departure
and the bumpiness of the road en-route.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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gman99 - 08 Mar 2006 04:00 GMT
> >lose her eyesight, lose a limb, go on dialysis and maybe even die.
> >
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> Some of us are interested in delaying the speed of departure
> and the bumpiness of the road en-route.

So we're NOT all going to die ?

Should I kneel before you or something ? You are WHO to tell me that my
post has made a contribution ?? In fact the statement is FACT and the
most INTELLIGENT statement ever made in this NG as it is the only
irrefutable statement ever made...so...what's the phrase I'm looking
for...oh yea...BITE ME !!
Alan S - 08 Mar 2006 08:44 GMT
>So we're NOT all going to die ?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>irrefutable statement ever made...so...what's the phrase I'm looking
>for...oh yea...BITE ME !!

Hi gman. Feeling better now?

I've never actually understood that insult. It must lose
something as it crosses the equator. Like "have a great day"
said with a tired false smile at maccas. Don't bother
explaining it. I think I can work it out. Eventually.

The only person who has ever knelt before me was trying to
sell me shoes - and even that was thirty years ago. No such
service these days...

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
Ozgirl - 08 Mar 2006 12:06 GMT
"Alan S" <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> wrote in

> I've never actually understood that insult. It must lose
> something as it crosses the equator. Like "have a great day"
> said with a tired false smile at maccas. Don't bother
> explaining it. I think I can work it out. Eventually.

Have you ever noticed in some stores there is the list of
ways to feign interest in a customer, and that list is there
in your face almost?
W.M.McKee - 08 Mar 2006 13:28 GMT
>> >lose her eyesight, lose a limb, go on dialysis and maybe even die.
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>irrefutable statement ever made...so...what's the phrase I'm looking
>for...oh yea...BITE ME !!

I'm sorry, Gman, but you seem a little unduly angry and somewhat
overwrought.. Is there something else going on that you are not
telling us about?

Will, T2
 
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