Anyone have experience with or thoughts on Byetta? I assume you do not have
to find a vein.
Bill
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March 2, 2006
A Ray of Hope for Diabetics
By ALEX BERENSON
The users call the drug Lizzie, the Big Brother or sometimes Gilly. On blogs
they rave over its uncanny ability to melt away pounds, although some are wary
of its side effects, which can include nausea and strange welts.
The users are not fad dieters or methamphetamine addicts, but people with
diabetes. And the subject of their rhapsodies is not a gray-market diet pill
sold on late-night television but Byetta, a federally approved diabetes
medicine, available only by prescription, whose popularity and sales have
soared since its introduction last June.
For diabetics, the weight loss caused by Byetta comes as a welcome contrast to
the weight gain that often accompanies insulin and other diabetes medicines;
the extra pounds can eventually worsen the disease. Some patients say Byetta
has reversed the course of a disease that can lead to severe complications
like amputations, blindness and kidney failure and even death.
"I went from despair to life - no hope to lots of hope," said the Rev. John L.
Dodson, a 73-year-old pastor in Felton, Calif. Mr. Dodson, 5 feet 6 inches
tall, says he has lost almost 60 pounds since starting Byetta last June and
now weighs 178, his lowest weight since college.
The drug seems so effective for weight loss that some nondiabetics have begun
using Byetta as a diet drug - causing concern among doctors who say such use
has not been medically tested and could be dangerous.
But for diabetics, weight loss from Byetta could be a particularly important
benefit. Among the 21 million Americans with diabetes, about 90 percent have
Type 2, which usually occurs in adulthood and has been linked to obesity and
inactivity.
Byetta is not a cure-all, doctors caution. Some patients cannot tolerate its
side effects. And it has never been studied as a weight-loss agent in people
with normal blood sugar. Amylin Pharmaceuticals and Eli Lilly, which jointly
make and market Byetta, say they strongly discourage its use solely as a diet
drug. Based on tests in rats, moreover, some scientists have raised the
possibility that Byetta may increase the risk of thyroid cancer, although no
evidence of that link has appeared in human clinical trials.
Still, diabetic patients are embracing the drug, despite the requirement that
Byetta must be kept refrigerated and injected twice daily, making it less
convenient than drugs taken in pill form. Users' enthusiasm is all the more
remarkable considering that Amylin and Eli Lilly do not plan to advertise
Byetta to consumers until at least this summer, a year after its introduction,
in keeping with voluntary advertising guidelines that the drug industry
adopted last year.
Even without a big marketing push, prescriptions for Byetta are soaring, as
news of the drug spreads among diabetics and doctors. From November to
January, monthly prescriptions rose almost 40 percent, to almost 100,000, well
ahead of analysts' forecasts. Byetta costs about $170 a month, or $2,100 a
year, slightly more than most other diabetes drugs, but most insurers cover
it.
Byetta's active ingredient is a protein, exenatide, that encourages digestion
and the production of insulin. The fact that exenatide was initially
discovered in the saliva of the Gila monster, a poisonous lizard found in the
Southwest, explains the nicknames Lizzy and Gilly for Byetta - if not the
pronunciation. Gilly (GILL-ee) bears little phonic resemblance to Gila
(HEE-la). (The third nickname, the Big Brother, refers to the 10 microgram
dose, which patients say is more likely to cause nausea than the smaller 5
microgram dose.)
Though still far behind long-acting insulin, for which nearly a million
prescriptions were written in January, Byetta is already ranked eighth among
the most widely prescribed drugs for diabetes.
"My patients have done strikingly well on the drug," said Dr. Alan J. Garber,
a professor at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston and a former member of
the national board of the American Diabetes Association. "It's a better choice
for an overweight diabetic."
Dr. Garber, who says he has not consulted for Amylin or Lilly, estimates he
has about 30 patients on Byetta and that none have experienced serious side
effects. Byetta is also easier for patients to use than insulin, because it is
less likely to cause low blood sugar than insulin is, he said.
In a clinical trial of 537 patients who tested Byetta against insulin, the
average Byetta patient lost five pounds after six months, while the typical
patient on insulin gained four pounds. Another trial of 146 patients showed
that they lost an average of 12 pounds after two years on Byetta, with their
losses increasing the longer they took the drug.
While the drug does not work for everyone, some people report much larger
weight loss and say Byetta seems to suppress their appetite and leave them
feeling full even on small meals.
"I used to have a love affair with my refrigerator," said John Granger, a
computer consultant in Richmond, Va., who began taking Byetta in early
January. "I eat about half of what I used to eat."
Mr. Granger, who is 5 feet 11 inches tall and weighs 230 pounds, says he has
lost 20 pounds since starting on Byetta. His blood sugar has also dropped, he
said.
"My numbers are fabulous," he said. "My numbers are good even for a
nondiabetic now."
Mr. Dodson, the pastor, said he had previously used insulin to control his
blood sugar, but he disliked insulin because it caused him to feel lethargic
and his joints to ache. As soon as he began taking Byetta, he was able to stop
using insulin, greatly improving his quality of life, he said.
"I can't tell you what it means to me," Mr. Dodson said. "I used to hate
pictures, literally hate them, and now I ask people to take my picture."
The reports of weight loss raise the question of how widely Byetta will be
prescribed as a diet drug to people who are not diabetic - a so-called
off-label use. Doctors can legally do so, but the F.D.A. and the makers say
the drug is supposed to be prescribed only to people with diabetes whose blood
sugar is too high even though they are already taking other diabetes
medicines. And insurers generally will not cover the drug for nonapproved
uses.
Amylin and Eli Lilly say people who are not diabetic should not take Byetta.
The companies say they have no plans to study Byetta as a weight-loss
treatment in people with normal blood sugar.
"We do not nod and wink to off-label," said Michael Quattro, vice president
for marketing at Amylin. "It's the wrong thing to do for the patient."
Many doctors also say that Byetta is probably inappropriate as a weight-loss
drug. Although many diabetic patients appear to tolerate it reasonably well,
the drug's most common side effect is nausea, which for some patients is so
serious that they must stop using it. The drug also causes a rash, fever and
chills in some patients, although those effects often fade with continued use.
Byetta is designed to work in a way that carries a lower risk than insulin of
causing hypoglycemia, or low blood sugar - a dangerous condition that can lead
to coma or death in severe cases. In clinical trials, a small number of people
taking Byetta had mild or moderate hypoglycemia, and some patients taking the
drug now report similar problems.
Despite the cautions and drawbacks, some doctors appear to be prescribing
Byetta primarily as a weight-loss aid in people who do not have elevated blood
sugar.
Lynn Cole, a software project manager in Rochester, says that she has been
taking Byetta since October even though her blood sugar levels were at
near-normal levels when she started taking it.
"I'm not hungry; I don't have a desire to eat," Ms. Cole said. "I definitely
do not eat as much as I used to." Ms. Cole, who is 5 feet 4 inches and 250
pounds, said she had lost about 20 pounds taking Byetta. The weight loss has
also encouraged her to join a gym and begin to work out, she said.
Jan Knorr, the director of the diabetes disease management program at the
Jewish Guild for the Blind in New York, says she expects that doctors will
prescribe Byetta to overweight people who are "pre-diabetic," or have
moderately high blood sugar but no other complications of diabetes.
"Even though it's a needle, people are desperate to do anything to achieve
weight loss or curb their appetite," she said.
Byetta's active ingredient, exenatide, works by mimicking the effects of a
human hormone called GLP-1, which is normally released after meals,
stimulating digestion and insulin production. GLP-1 also discourages the liver
from producing too much sugar.
Exenatide was found by Dr. John Eng, an endocrinologist at the Bronx Veterans
Affairs Medical Center in New York City, who struggled for years before
finally convincing Amylin to test the hormone as a diabetes treatment.
The companies are testing several other versions of Byetta, including a
long-acting formulation that would need to be injected only once a week.
Analysts say that version has the potential to become a blockbuster drug, with
sales of up to $2 billion in the United States alone, although they say it
will not reach the market before 2009 at the soonest.
Meanwhile, many patients appear more than happy to inject themselves twice a
day and endure upset stomachs, as long as they can keep losing weight.
"Initially, I really had quite a bit of nausea," said Karen Brady, 51, a
computer programmer in Houston. But Ms. Brady, who has diabetes and takes
Byetta along with metformin, another diabetes drug, said that she had stayed
with Byetta and lost 50 pounds in the last five months. At 5 feet 5 inches she
now weighs 150 pounds.
The drug does not permit her to overeat, she said.
"What you eat stays in your stomach forever, so if you do overeat, you're
going to be in for a really unpleasant time," she said. "I've only done it
once, but it was a good teacher. It keeps me honest."
Warren and Paula Jo Merrill - 03 Mar 2006 15:54 GMT
No, its taken subcutaneously (very short needle just putting the med into
the layer just below the skin). It can be done like insulin in the stomach,
legs, arms or buttocks, just find a good spot and stick. I've been on it
for 11 weeks now. I have FAR better numbers at this point. In all of 2005
(until Dec 15) my average reading was 142 (with standard deviation of 45)
and I weighed 209. That was using Metformin, Actos, Prandin and Humulin-N.
Eleven weeks later my numbers average 101 (with standard deviation of 13)
and I've lost 21 and 1/2 pounds (at 187.5 this morning). And thats using
the Byetta and Metformin only. I'm off the Actos, Prandin and Humulin-N.
Byetta isn't a magic formula that just makes the weight fall off. It slows
the digestive system and so you don't get hungry as quickly and you usually
feel full a LOT faster when eating. I eat about half what I used to. That
doesn't mean that I couldn't put more food in if I really wanted to BUT I've
learned to feel satisfied and know that I can function very well on normal
sized portions. The Byetta takes away the hunger and with a little
willpower that I've mustered I've been on this steady around 2 pounds a week
loss the whole time.
That story really stressed the weight loss aspect. I disagree that should
be the primary reason for it although its a great side effect. The main
reason for using it is if you eat a decent diet it really helps stabalize
the numbers.
Personally I highly recommend it. Just be aware however that about 44% of
people who start it experience some mild, some moderate and some severe
nausea (I've had none at all). Usually as you get used to the med the
nausea goes away and if you happend to be some of the unfortunate 44% but
you that it out the benefits will be well worth it.
> Anyone have experience with or thoughts on Byetta? I assume you do not
> have to find a vein.
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David B. - 04 Mar 2006 15:53 GMT
Here's the posting I just sent:
I had for breakfast this morning 4 pieces of French Toast with Maple Syrup
(cinnamon sugar on top of the toast too) and 2 hours later was feeling a bit
crappy. I took my byetta and metformin (1000 mg) with the Byetta shot before
I ate it.
I was feeling a bit nauseous and figured well hell, I just ate probably the
worst breakfast possible, so yeah, mny sugar level is goona be quite high.
Was figuring on it being 250 or more.
So I just took my blood and it is 95.
Now you tell me that Byetta isn't a miracle drug................
> Anyone have experience with or thoughts on Byetta? I assume you do not
> have to find a vein.
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> going to be in for a really unpleasant time," she said. "I've only done it
> once, but it was a good teacher. It keeps me honest."
sharppointy1 - 04 Mar 2006 17:40 GMT
Bill
I have been using Byetta since October 2005. It is working very well
for me. I HAVE had the nausea that Warren didn't get, but it's pretty
much gone now. I lost 39 pounds because I eat only about 1/3 of what I
used to. Happily, the Byetta also stopped the metformin diarrhea that
has plagued me since metformin & I met.
It's certainly something to ask your doc about. i started it b/c I
couldn't tolerate the ususal T2 diabetes medicines.
Mopar Girl - 04 Mar 2006 17:43 GMT
I wonder what is the cost of the Byetta shot if you are a self
pay person. I do not have health insurance and have to pay
everything out of pocket. I want to ask my doctor about this on
my next visit. Even though I watch what I eat (30 carbs or less
with meals) and walk 30 minutes a day 5 days a week on the
treadmill. (Walk more than 30 on the other 2 days as those are
the days my husband is off and we do lots of errands and work on
those days.) I can't keep my numbers down all the time and I
can't get my numbers below 100. I can eat something for weeks and
it will bearly raise my numbers and then out of the blue it will
make me skyrocket. And have hit a platau (sp?) on my weight loss.
Have been the same weight for over 6 months, give or take 5
pounds. I have lost about 65 pounds since dx.
Suzi
A1c 6.4 T2 DX 10/2002
Glucophage 2 x 1000mg
Lipitor 20mg (3 days a week), Enalapril 20mg
> Bill
> I have been using Byetta since October 2005. It is working very well
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> It's certainly something to ask your doc about. i started it b/c I
> couldn't tolerate the ususal T2 diabetes medicines.
bj - 04 Mar 2006 18:13 GMT
>I wonder what is the cost of the Byetta shot if you are a self pay person.
Any local pharmacy should be able to tell you their prices, & whether or if
they carry it or can/will get it for you. Call around & ask, also check
online sources for comparisons. I think it's not cheap.
Have you tried the "mealtime pills" such as Prandin or Starlix? Is this
something that you'd be willing to try out? They're not cheap either.
bj
Mopar Girl - 04 Mar 2006 19:53 GMT
So far my doctor just keeps increasing my Glucophage. I am also
looking into changing doctors, there is one in town that only
deal with diabetics and there is a 3 to 6 month wait to get in
plus it is $200 for the first visit not including the bloodwork.
I get most of my medication for free or for very little money
thru Rxassist. I think my mother has taken starlix but no one has
suggested it yet. I will have to bring this all up on my next
visit.
Suzi
A1c 6.4 T2 DX 10/2002
Glucophage 2 x 1000mg
Lipitor 20mg (3 days a week), Enalapril 20mg
> >I wonder what is the cost of the Byetta shot if you are a self pay person.
>
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> something that you'd be willing to try out? They're not cheap either.
> bj
W. Baker - 04 Mar 2006 21:14 GMT
: >I wonder what is the cost of the Byetta shot if you are a self pay person.
: Any local pharmacy should be able to tell you their prices, & whether or if
: they carry it or can/will get it for you. Call around & ask, also check
: online sources for comparisons. I think it's not cheap.
: Have you tried the "mealtime pills" such as Prandin or Starlix? Is this
: something that you'd be willing to try out? They're not cheap either.
: bj
The article quoted a price of $170 a month for the Byetta. I think that
ws for 2 10 unit shots a day, which seems to be the standard dose. It may
vary somewhafrom drug store todrugstore adn mail-order or onlike might
give a better price. but that is ballpark.
Wendy
Mopar Girl - 04 Mar 2006 22:08 GMT
That is alot but I have also been on their website and I most
like could quailfy for assistance from the Amylin Patient
Assistance Program. So that would help, if the doc prescribes it.
Suzi
A1c 6.4 T2 DX 10/2002
Glucophage 2 x 1000mg
Lipitor 20mg (3 days a week), Enalapril 20mg
> : >I wonder what is the cost of the Byetta shot if you are a self pay person.
>
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>
> Wendy
Ma¢k - 07 Mar 2006 00:58 GMT
> Anyone have experience with or thoughts on Byetta? I assume you do not have
>to find a vein.
>
>Bill
>
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