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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2006Turmeric article; studies underway to develop disease treatments
Discussion of properties and studies undertaken to develop treatments for Alzheimers, diabetes, with circumin: http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-hsnutrition4643131feb28,0,1830631,print.story "Modern medicine is starting to sit up and pay attention. Scientists are taking a closer look at this Asian wonder spice, teasing out active ingredients and testing its age-old cultural and medicinal uses in 21st century laboratories. The National Institutes of Health has funded at least eight studies investigating turmeric. The spice and a chemical it contains - curcumin - are being probed for their potential to prevent and treat a broad range of diseases: cancer, cystic fibrosis, Alzheimer's and arthritis." Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Susan Except that India, where Tumeric is a huge part of the diet, has the world's largest population of diabetics. So it isn't a Wonder Cure. From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4738936.stm "Asia... is home to four of the world's five largest diabetic populations - India, with 33 million cases, and China, Pakistan and Japan with 23, 9 and 7 million cases respectively . --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control > Except that India, where Tumeric is a huge part of the diet, has the > world's largest population of diabetics. So it isn't a Wonder Cure. Turmeric can't be expected to overcome a dreadfully starchy and greasy diet. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Susan Maybe they should be eating curry without the rice - like I do:-) To be fair, the reason they are the largest population of diabetics is associated more with the fact that they are the second largest population, period. I suspect that the numbers in China probably aren't an accurate reflection of the true diabetic population there - nor are they in any third world country. I made up this table from WHO statistics and a population counter. Unfortunately there's a six-year lag in numbers - but the percentages are interesting. Comparing some large nations and the USA. Of course, diagnostic criteria and their application in third world countries make the figures too skewed to form opinions - but I found them intersting anyway. Country Population 2006 Diabetics (WHO 2000) India 1,090,258,626 31,705,000 2.9% USA 296,906,638 17,702,000 6.0% Pakistan 164,781,439 5,217,000 3.2% Bangladesh 146,418,278 3,196,000 2.2% China 1,311,493,758 20,757,000 1.6% Brazil 187,465,952 4,553,000 2.4% I first read a long time ago that turmeric was a good health spice. Then I saw it reinforced by an article on my Cll list. I take it daily as a spice in my food - not as a supplement. Two interesting snippets that stuck in my memory (but not their sources) were that the quantity of turmeric didn't matter a lot as long as you had some, and that adding a dash of cracked pepper had a symbiotic effect. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg  SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Alan And Susan: Here is a good link that does talk about Medical research interest in Turmeric. http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsHerbs/Turmericch.html I have personally experienced the healing properties of Turmeric wrt curing a bad cough and deep cuts. And like most Indians I too use plenty of Turmeric in my cooking. That did not prevent me from getting Diabetes. What is indeed interesting in India and China as well is that as the living standard improved so did % people affected by Diabetes. After reading "The China Study" I am totally convinced that the significant increase in consumption of milk and associated products amongst Indian population is main culprit in driving the numbers high. What has not helped is the same population that can afford higher standard living is also doing less and less of physical activity. I would not be surprised if the numbers explode in both these countries and may very well catch up or bypass US 6%! Yes yes I know many of you don't buy the "The China Theory" findings and that is just fine with me. I personally do find a high degree of co relationship. And yes I have become Vegan just for that reason and feel perfectly fine so far. (But then again I am in my honeymoon period right now!). Anil T2 Vegan 2x500mg Meformin Dx 07/05 >Alan And Susan: Here is a good link that does talk about Medical >research interest in Turmeric. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >T2 Vegan 2x500mg Meformin >Dx 07/05 I suspect that the increase may have more to do with the gradual increase in diagnoses as the increased standard of living led to a higher availability of qualified doctors in rural and low-income regions. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > From: Alan S > suspect that the increase may have more to do with the > gradual increase in diagnoses as the increased standard of > living led to a higher availability of qualified doctors in > rural and low-income regions. Not true. Consider for example the following statement from "THE DIABETES EPIDEMIC: The Case for Changing Diabetes, A Report by Yale University Schools of Public Health and Medicine with the Institutefor Alternative Futures" Within the last decade, the incidence of diabetes increased by 60 percent, with an incidence of approximately 1.5 million new cases each year. Today, an estimated 20.8 million people are living with diabetes in America. Don't tell me US medical system has been doing a better job of diagnosing the diabetes in last decade. As I said, lifestyle of many Indian is changing very rapidly as the country is growing economically. More and more people are deviating from what the previous generation would eat. You have to visit today's remote corners of India to see how much the things have shifted from traditional eating patterns. Eating Pizza is in. Eating home made chapattis (made out of whole wheat) is getting rapidly absolute. There use to be floor mills grinding fresh floor out of whole wheat and other legumes. No more. Its all going towards packaging industry. Milk was consumed from a cow or buffalo without pasteurizing. Not any more. I sure see a pattern. We may not agree on root cause but what we have to agree on is some thing is surely amiss here across all nations. And yes folks from China and India are just not built to handle too much fat or animal proteins either. So they do get affected significantly faster than an average white person. There are many research articles making this very point. "The China Study" by Campbell is just one example. But if you read the series in NYT on Diabetes and specifically how the Asian population is getting affected you will see my point. Ref : http://tinyurl.com/n4bkm Anil >> From: Alan S >> suspect that the increase may have more to do with the [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >Anil Hi Anil Just thinking aloud here. I think you'll find there's a bit of both - but I still believe changes in recognition of diabetes has a lot to do with it. That doesn't mean I think the fast-food culture, or the dietary changes occurring in the world, or the sedentary nature of an affluent society are irrelevant - just that they are all only a part of the equation. In my view, it was a "hidden" epidemic for the last half of the twentieth century. In the western world, reduced diagnostic criteria added a significant percentage in that decade you mentioned. As a personal example - I had a fasting of 7.9(142) in 1999 - and diabetes wasn't mentioned. I had another 7.8(140) in 2001. Today I'd be diagnosed on 7.0(126). I was finally diagnosed in 2002 with an A1c of 8.2%. Additionally, like cancer, type 2 is more prevalent as the population ages. Advances in medical science, social systems and sanitation among many other factors mean that we all, in almost every country, live longer than our parents. So more of us are in the "time window" where diseases such as type 2 and cancers are more prevalent. In India, for example, when famine occurred type 2 was rarely a significant problem. They weren't obese and they died early. In many countries you died of heart disease or stroke or kidney failure - without diabetes even being noted even though undiagnosed diabetes was a probable cause. A century ago - or even fifty years ago - a lot of people died before they got to my age. In short - it's a disease exacerbated by affluence but the numbers have recently also increased because of improved medical standards and availability. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Alan, Its amazing how much of your personal experience is similar to mine. In 1996 I got a latter saying my FBG was 128 and while that by itself was not any cause to be worried I should change my diet and do more exercise. There was no hint of Diabetes. Of course I new it was coming. In some ways I just did not want to face the bad news just yet! I just wish I had courage to accept the bad news then and act on it...Oh well. So yes there is an element there that more cases are bubbling up due to change in threshold values. But enough research is now in place to say change in diet patters is much bigger culprit here. Here is another link that supports this view point. http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/02.07/09-diabetes.html I can give you additional data point. Kerala a state in southern most tip of India has av life span of 72 yrs and compares very well with any 1st world numbers. Yet it is very poor but the literacy rate is the highest in India about 78%. It is also a state where fish is predominant in its diet. Based on the study I have seen the rate of Diabetes in Kerala is 5.8% very similar to US rate and twice that of India as a whole. Ref: http://tinyurl.com/zoqrh So I think as much as we want not accept our diet beeing the main culprit I am hard pressed to see any other reson. All the research I have seen so far completely supports this viewpoint. This post not CC'd by email >I can give you additional data point. Kerala a state in southern most >tip of India has av life span of 72 yrs and compares very well with any [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >culprit I am hard pressed to see any other reson. All the research I >have seen so far completely supports this viewpoint. G'day G'day Anil, The situation in Kerala is important and somewhat disturbing for the following reason. The Japanese did an analyis of the incidence of diabetes in various countries. They found Thailand to have had the lowest rate of T2 diabetes. Thailand is not vegan, people eat shrimps, routinely use fish sauce etc. With coronary heart disease diet appears to be less important than life style. Sedentary life style is a major contribute. With regard to fats the crucial factor appears to have been type of cooking oil. Those who use mustard oil have something like a 50% lower rate of most forms of heart disease and a 70% lowering of sudden fatal heart attack. Notice that mustard oil is a vegetable source of linolenic acid, an omega-3. It appears to work for coronary heart attacks, perhaps it is also more effective than fish oils from reducing the incidence of T2 diabetes. Do you know what cooking oil is used in Kerala and how that compares with the rest of India? Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin This post not CC'd by email On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 07:45:40 +1300, Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >This post not CC'd by email > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>Diabetes in Kerala is 5.8% very similar to US rate and twice that of >>India as a whole. Ref: http://tinyurl.com/zoqrh G'day G'day Anil, I read your posts with interest. If nothing else it is a kind of fascination with how people mislead themselves. You would like there to be a higher incidence of T2 diabetes where people eat more protein and fat. It would fit your vegan beliefs. In the post you have above you may well have hoped that people would be taken in by the suggestion that there is some sort of correlation between high fish intake and high incidence of T2 diabetes. Of course there isn't. The Japanese have high fish intakes and weren't world beaters in having high levels of T2 diabetes. The Okinawans about 100 gram pork, 100 gms tofu, and 100 gram seaweed per day and guess what, they weren't suffering from a high incidence of T2 diabetes. They average 22% of calories from protein compared to the US 14%. It's about 50% more. The good news is you provided the URL for the data on Kerala and we can all read it and draw our own conclusions. >>> When compared to a population with standard age structure suggested >>> by the World Health Organization for international comparisons, >>> prevalence in the age group 30-64 years was found to be 16.9% in >>> the urban, 10.1% in the midland, 6.8% in the highland and 3.6% in >>> the coastal regions, respectively Notice these simple things. The worst group is the urban regions. These are the people who are most likely to adopt Western diets and to have a sedentary lifestyle. Now notice the other remarkably revealing data, Coastal 3.6% Midlands 10.1% Highlands 6.8% Highlands almost always implies greater physical activity, walking up and down hills. So what are the coastal people doing that is SO BENEFICIAL? Perhaps it is sunbathing on the beaches. Not. I think we can all guess it is that people on the coastal region eat MORE FISH. Remember your description of Kerala as a poor province. One can't expect refrigerated trucks making fish way inland as cheap as on the coast. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin This post not CC'd by email On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:27:08 +1300, Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >and 100 gram seaweed per day That should have read, " and 100 grams of seafood per day" Presumably much of it is fish in one form or another. They like to use bonito flakes for flavouring. The reports I've come across have tended to lump fish and other items as seafood. I'm not sure why. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin Good Day Indeed Quentin! As much as I did say that the folks in Kerala eath fish, I too did noticed the difference between Coastal and Midland areas. If you do know Kerala though, you will know that there are water ways every where. If any thing I can say that interior Keral folks are more likely to eat fresh water fish. I don't know if there are any areas where eating fish is not dominant. And please don't think I am trying to implicate fish eating at all. On the contrary I would love to know the link between increase in milk consumption and occurrence in diabetes. Around 1970s there was a significant movement in India to produce milk and make the farmers earn cash. This movement was called operation white flood. Plenty of co-ops were established and milk became the key to uplift significant reason to give farmers a means to get out of poverty line. Many of us are quite proud of all that effort. What I am not sure based on all my current reading is if Asian population can handle increased Milk protein intake like this. Its a big doubt I have. I would love to find a definitive answer. Every thing I have read so far does make fell quite uncomfortable. I have shared my data points on this subject. I have personally found it affects my numbers. I have seen in my own family as milk intake went up so did incidence of diabetes. No one in my family before by father's generation had diabetes. They also consumed less than 200Ml of milk for family of 5. But all three of my father's brothers including my father got diabetes. They all had sedentary life style and no exercise. So I sure think it was largely the sedentary life style that is the main culprit here. But I have to say that they all increased milk in take more than the previous generation. As I was growing up we started consuming 3000Ml a day for family of 4. Did that have effect on my father getting Diabetes? I suspect but I don't know 100%! When I combine all these data points I do find it fairly convincing reason to implicate milk based proteins. Can it be extended beyond that? I don't know. As I am vegetarian my interest don't go much beyond that point. I hate the idea of giving up milk and specifically yogurt! But I see no way out but do trust the findings research has surfaced. I am indeed having hard time implicating Milk for what in means to the bigger economic considerations for the 3rd world countries like India. I just don't know how to resolve it. Hope I have made my discomfort clear. Anil This post not CC'd by email >Good Day Indeed Quentin! As much as I did say that the folks in Kerala >eath fish, I too did noticed the difference between Coastal and Midland >areas. If you do know Kerala though, you will know that there are water >ways every where. If any thing I can say that interior Keral folks are >more likely to eat fresh water fish. G'day G'day Anil, LOL. Well they would be more likely to eat fresh water fish, wouldn't they ... transport and all that. The question still remains, "What is that they are getting more or less of on the coast that would account for them being SO different from the people elsewhere in the province?" > I don't know if there are any >areas where eating fish is not dominant. And please don't think I am >trying to implicate fish eating at all. OK. Thanks for clarifying that. Appearances can be deceptive things. >On the contrary I would love to >know the link between increase in milk consumption and occurrence in >diabetes. Oh. The links that I have seen from LARGE studies in the US surprised me. Milk consumption seems to a factor in DELAYING onset of T2 diabetes. I have sort of assumed you are talking about T2 diabetes. Perhaps I shouldn't. >Around 1970s there was a significant movement in India to produce milk >and make the farmers earn cash. This movement was called operation >white flood. Plenty of co-ops were established and milk became the key >to uplift significant reason to give farmers a means to get out of >poverty line. Many of us are quite proud of all that effort. Fair enough. >What I am not sure based on all my current reading is if Asian >population can handle increased Milk protein intake like this. Good point. A trial on the scale performed in the US might give a different result in Asia. Is lactose intolerance common in India? >Its a big doubt I have. Fair enough. >I would love to find a definitive answer. Every thing >I have read so far does make fell quite uncomfortable. I have shared my >data points on this subject. I have personally found it affects my >numbers. I have seen in my own family as milk intake went up so did >incidence of diabetes. I mentioned my interest in HOW people mislead themselves. Part of the reason for wanting to notice these things is course to avoid being mislead myself. You realise you have fallen into one of the classic traps of association being mistaken for cause. The number of television sets has probably increased in the same period of time yet T2 diabetes does not cause television sets. >No one in my family before by father's generation had diabetes. >They also consumed less than 200Ml of milk for family of 5. >But all three of my father's brothers including my >father got diabetes. They all had sedentary life style and no exercise. > So I sure think it was largely the sedentary life style that is the >main culprit here. Frankly I'd agree. Sedentary life style seems to be twice as deadly as obesity etc. >But I have to say that they all increased milk in >take more than the previous generation. As I was growing up we started >consuming 3000Ml a day for family of 4. Did that have effect on my >father getting Diabetes? I suspect but I don't know 100%! The knowing is a lot less than that. Firstly let me say that I am sorry these things have happened to your family and to your country folks as well. Each country is going to have to deal with this scourge and it will be costly. As for preventing it, that will be difficult. I don't know of any country that has a FALLING incidence of T2 diabetes. If there was one it would be worth study because it would be reasonable to assume they had identified the correct causative factors to a reasonable extent. The US by the way has a drop in smoking related cancers. >When I combine all these data points I do find it fairly convincing >reason to implicate milk based proteins. You confidence will not be shared by those who have read the American studies. >Can it be extended beyond >that? I don't know. As I am vegetarian my interest don't go much beyond >that point. Quite understandable. By the way, changing cooking oil to mustard seed oil DOES work to reduce the incidence of heart attacks in an Indian population, two thirds of whom are vegetarians. People have to make their own choices and we band together in the hope we might share information that will support all of us reducing the dreadful incidence of unpleasant consequences of this disease. From a zillion miles away, when I look at your situation, I see your concern for something that cannot be changed and wonder if you have thought about what can be changed to help you survive and lead a happy, healthier life. >I hate the idea of giving up milk and specifically yogurt! >But I see no way out but do trust the findings research has surfaced. > >I am indeed having hard time implicating Milk for what in means to the >bigger economic considerations for the 3rd world countries like India. >I just don't know how to resolve it. Anil, your distress is evident. Wishing life were fair, is so I'm told, a dysfunctional attitude. Given that it becomes important to deal with the things we can deal with. >Hope I have made my discomfort clear. Quite. I hope I have shared with you at least one important idea that might show you there is another option. >Anil SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > I think we can all guess it is that people on the coastal region eat > MORE FISH. Remember your description of Kerala as a poor province. > One can't expect refrigerated trucks making fish way inland as cheap > as on the coast. Another interesting datum is that the recipes I have from Kerala involve a lot of coconut milk or cream. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg Quite frankly I don't even know if occurrence is particularly higher in Kerala over other parts of India. I know over all number of India is about 6%. Nicky, The state of Kerala has fascinated me for number of reasons. It has fabulous sandy beaches with natural radio activity. Ref: http://tinyurl.com/hcl5p and http://tinyurl.com/gyss7. The natural radio activity is amongst the highest recorded near a dense population density. Yet it is not clear that incidence of Cancer is any higher than rest of the state. Yes they do consume large amount of coconut. All deep frying is typically done in coconut oil. Its also the birth place for Karate. The martial arts in Karate are simply fascinating so is the traditional dancing (Kathakali :http://tinyurl.com/zcxc6). Its one of the few places in India where a man has to pay dowry to a woman. Its a matriarchal society http://tinyurl.com/m98kl! A typical Nair marriage has no priest and is over in less than 10 seconds. Bride and groom exchange a token gift that it! No vows nothing! Sorry for this digression. But just could not stop from sharing my fascination about this part of India. And no I have never been there and have no connection to that part if the country even in my ancestry! There are some excellent Aurvedic Treatment centers with Yogic massage and all that entails in this place. I know many folks who have gone there and had there BG in control in less than two weeks. No one I know however has been able to carry on the life style suggested in these places and hence the BG perked right back in a month or two. And yes they do use Turmeric in many of thier traditional medcations. I promise I will stop here talking about Kerala "out of relevance" from now on! Anil >Alan And Susan: Here is a good link that does talk about Medical >research interest in Turmeric. > >http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsHerbs/Turmericch.html I found the source for "Surprisingly, it didn't matter how much curcumin was used, says the researchers. " Posted on my ACOR home-site: http://www.acor.org/news/whatsnew.html?item_id=3467 It's worth reading in full if you are interested in turmeric. It's to do with cancer, not diabetes. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the true diabetic population there - nor are they in any > third world country. As an interesting side note, one odd thing about Type 2 diabetes in India, according to a web site I browsed today, is that a very high percentage of those who are diagnosed with it are thin and even malnourished. Probably yet another bunch of genetic diabetes types which have been lumped together as Type 2 because the people survive without insulin. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control > I made up this table from WHO statistics and a population > counter. Unfortunately there's a six-year lag in numbers - [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > China 1,311,493,758 20,757,000 1.6% > Brazil 187,465,952 4,553,000 2.4% Interesting table, but, bear in mind that different countries have different ideas of what bg level constitutes diabetic. SignatureJohn38 - t1 (LADA) since 2003 : DAFNE (glargine/aspart) > Interesting table, but, bear in mind that different countries have > different ideas of what bg level constitutes diabetic. And then there is little snippet from the Apidra site mentioned elsewhere in the ng: "In the U.S., more than 20 million people have diabetes, including an estimated 6 million who remain undiagnosed. At the same time, approximately 60 percent of those diagnosed are not in control". In some countries the undiagnosed may be higher, as I believe you are pointing out? > "In the U.S., more than 20 million people have diabetes, > including an estimated 6 million who remain undiagnosed. At > the same time, approximately 60 percent of those diagnosed > are not in control". In some countries the undiagnosed may > be higher, as I believe you are pointing out? yes, that as well. SignatureJohn38 - t1 (LADA) since 2003 : DAFNE (glargine/aspart) In Australia it is estimated that for every 1 person diagnosed with diabetes there are another 3 diabetics who have not been diagnosed. Judanne "John38" <dev-null@reiteration.net> wrote in message : >> "In the U.S., more than 20 million people have diabetes, >> including an estimated 6 million who remain undiagnosed. In some countries the undiagnosed may >> be higher, as I believe you are pointing out? > > yes, that as well. >In Australia it is estimated that for every 1 person diagnosed with diabetes >there are another 3 diabetics who have not been diagnosed. > >Judanne That surprises me. The official statements used to indicate that for every diabetic diagnosed in this country there was one undiagnosed - but 3 to 1 is new to me. Could you provide a source please? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Interesting table, but, bear in mind that different countries have > different ideas of what bg level constitutes diabetic. > -- > John38 - t1 (LADA) since 2003 : DAFNE (glargine/aspart) DOH! sorry didnt read the last paragraph. You had already realised that. LOL! <bangs head on desk> SignatureJohn38 - t1 (LADA) since 2003 : DAFNE (glargine/aspart) >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Susan so much for it helping anyone in the USA then. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Turmeric can't be expected to overcome a dreadfully starchy and greasy > diet. Is Indian diet a combo of starch and FFA's? I didn't think so but please feel free to enlighten me, I don't have a clue about Indian diet. > Is Indian diet a combo of starch and FFA's? I didn't think > so but please feel free to enlighten me, I don't have a clue > about Indian diet. There's a great deal of rice, rice with fruits, fried dough with filling, potato stuffed breads, other breads and wonderful curries and stews with coconut milk and high fat content. I love Indian food, but I don't eat the samosas, the rice or the bread. The curries and stews are very rich. The desserts, BTW, are inedible for me, not even one taste; the sugar content is hideously high. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > stews with coconut milk and high fat content. I love Indian food, > but I don't eat the samosas, the rice or the bread. The curries and > stews are very rich. The desserts, BTW, are inedible for me, not > even one taste; the sugar content is hideously high. Thank you. I am just wondering then if the diabetes is amongst the well fed rather the diet of the poorer Indians? Susan, The food you get as an Indian food in a typical Indian Restaurant is any thing but typical food an Indian would eat at home. It's a little bit like describing food from McDonald's as typical American food. There are just hundreds of different combinations and ingredients. A Part of the country eats no coconuts. A part of the country eats no rice yet another part eats no wheat. Some areas eat greasy food, in some areas use of Oil itself is rare. In some areas sea food is dominant. There really is no one easy way to say typical Indian food. I visited Nagaland a rather remote Eastern region of India. They eat any thing that moves including snakes, crows, frogs, bugs, beetles. In fact until recently they never even did farming! It rains 300 Inches (highest in the world) there. As an Indian I would be hard pressed to give a single answer. Now if you say what is typical food in specific part of the country then that would be much easier question to answer! Not trying to take away anything you said but just sharing my own background here a bit. Anil > Susan, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Anil Thanks for the information. Would you say that in general the regional diets are low in starches and other carbs and fats? Susan I would say they are low on Simple Carbs. There is plenty of whole food plant based diet amongst traditional living. Add occasional meat or fish. And lot of walking. In general proportion of proteins in diet is at 10-15% And yes quite low in fat in most regions. As you go higher up in income level these things significantly change. Specifically consumption of white carbs and Milk or milk based proteins. Anil > I would say they are low on Simple Carbs. That's a distinction that's no longer relevent, since many complex carbs are just as glycemic, or more so, than simple sugar. I asked specifically if there was much starch. There is plenty of whole food > plant based diet amongst traditional living. Add occasional meat or > fish. And lot of walking. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Anil How much starch is in the diet? Susan >Is Indian diet a combo of starch and FFA's? I didn't think >so but please feel free to enlighten me, I don't have a clue >about Indian diet. Guess which ethnic restaurant we went to in Napier? (no rice, but a little Naan bread:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Is Indian diet a combo of starch and FFA's? I didn't think >>so but please feel free to enlighten me, I don't have a clue >>about Indian diet. > > Guess which ethnic restaurant we went to in Napier? (no > rice, but a little Naan bread:-) Nice :) Bet the company was good too :) I have a friend in Masterton who claims his area is paradise. I'll leave it to those over the Tasman to argue out ;) >>>Is Indian diet a combo of starch and FFA's? I didn't think >>>so but please feel free to enlighten me, I don't have a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Masterton who claims his area is paradise. I'll leave it to >those over the Tasman to argue out ;) Excellent company of course. Paradise is often in the mind and eye of the beholder. I'm difficult to persuade as I sit here watching the Ospreys and Brahminys catch fish in the creek, but I become a little less enamoured as the bugs busily eat their lunch in the things I planted for mine. The price of Paradise is bugs:-) This spot will be home until I depart the planet. I keep reinforcing that each time I travel elsewhere. I've seen some beautiful spots but none like the coast between your place and mine. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. This post not CC'd by email On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:46:32 +1100, Alan S <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>Is Indian diet a combo of starch and FFA's? I didn't think >>so but please feel free to enlighten me, I don't have a clue [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg G'day G'day Alan, It was delightful, mostly to do with the company, the food and the wine. For some reason I find I put on half a kilo the next day. It happens every time I eat from Indian restaurants. It disappears the day after so I think it is something to do with salt and water retention. It used to worry me, now I shrug it off. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin >This post not CC'd by email > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Best wishes, Interesting - not a phenomenon I've noticed personally. I was thinking of that meal while reading another thread today, where the waitress brought out the butter for the potatoes after they had specifically asked her not to. Like the lady who brought us the rice in the same situation:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > > x-no-archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > so but please feel free to enlighten me, I don't have a clue > about Indian diet. I have to be very careful when I go to Indian restaurants, because if I eat the food as it is intended, with lots of rice and bread, I spike to high heaven. If I eat a perverted Anglo version, with just the curries and salads, then I'm OK. But the breads! Oh, man, they know how to make breads -- plain, with onion, stuffed with meat, fabulous stuff. Priscilla On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:36:45 -0500, "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >> > x-no-archive: yes >> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Priscilla when did we start serving FFAs? Damn I'm glad I got when I did. I made it all the way to State Star Agribusinessmen when I was a member. I guess I would have been what you referred to as one of those perverted anglo versions. But I am not a pure anglo, more like a gulash. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. > s Indian diet a combo of starch and FFA's? I didn't think > >> so but please feel free to enlighten me, I don't have a clue > >> about Indian diet. Please forgive me, if this comes across as a stupid question. What is meant by FFA that would be served at an Indian restaurant? Will, T2 > > s Indian diet a combo of starch and FFA's? I didn't think > > >> so but please feel free to enlighten me, I don't have a clue > > >> about Indian diet. > > Please forgive me, if this comes across as a stupid question. What is meant > by FFA that would be served at an Indian restaurant? I don't know. I was responding to "starch." Priscilla >> s Indian diet a combo of starch and FFA's? I didn't think >> >> so but please feel free to enlighten me, I don't have a clue [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Will, T2 shouldn't you ask the person who actually wrote that? Here's your sign. > >Please forgive me, if this comes across as a stupid question. What is > >meant [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Here's your sign. Thanks, Mack... I guess I was a little mixed up about who originally wrote that.... As I look back, it now appears to be Ozgirl, unless I am mistaken. Jan, what did not mean about FFA's that would be served in an Indian Restaurant, or was that just a mistake? Or am I mistaken in thinking it originally came from you? Just curious? Will, T2 Jenny I found following reference in a Indian Daily News paper. You can see that it does look more and more a problem with Urban life style (Food as well as Physical Activity). This is very consistent with data presented in "The China Study" book. Diabetes-related complications rising [ Tuesday, February 28, 2006 01:55:02 amTIMES NEWS NETWORK ] LUCKNOW:Most would know diabetes as a disease arising out of inadequate production or inappropriate action of insulin. But not many are aware that inflammation is a characteristic feature of the disease. Recent researches in the field of diabetes confirm that an excess production of some hormones and toxic substances in the body cause inflammation and several toxic reactions as well. An implication of this could be seen in the form of diabetes related complications. This was revealed by head, medicine, King George's Medical University (KGMU), Prof CG Agarwal during a lecture on 'current trends in the management of type II diabetes mellitus' at a Continuing Medical Education (CME) programme organised by Indian Medical Association (IMA) on Monday. "The role of free fatty acids, tumor necrosis factors and leptin was known to have been contributing to diabetes. But recently, it was known that an increase in the hormone called adinopectine and inflammatory markers like C-reactive proteins have been found to cause inflammation of the main organs associated with diabetes," he said. He pointed out that every fifth diabetic in the world is an Indian. Out of the 150 million people suffering from diabetes in the world, 35 million are Indians. The number is jumping by 4.8 million every year. If care is not taken, then the 'land of milk and honey' might be sucked into a diabetes quicksand by the year 2025, he said. The extent of the problem could be estimated from the fact that in the state capital, around 200 patients visit the out patient door (OPD) of the King George's Medical University (KGMU) which also has a list of 16,000 patients enrolled in its diabetes clinic. Almost a same number of patients is registered at Sanjay Gandhi Post Graduate Institute of Medical Sciences as well. But this may be the tip of the iceberg as the numbers include only those who have been diagnosed. In India, the ratio of those diagnosed with diabetes to those who have the disease, but is yet to be diagnosed, is roughly one is to three. The disease is seen to target Indians in the age group 45-55. A recent study says that 70 per cent of diabetics are from urban areas as compared to the 30 per cent in rural areas. Diabetes cuts life-expectancy by five to seven years, and increases risk of heart diseases 50 times. Experts predict a cardiac cesspool if the diabetes epidemic does hit in 2025 if the prevailing conditions are not improved. Risk of renal problems in a diabetic is 17 times more than a normal man. Risk of gangrene is 25 times higher that that of a normal person. Sorry forgot to include the link to the original article: http://tinyurl.com/n2n2u. Anil > Discussion of properties and studies undertaken to develop treatments > for Alzheimers, diabetes, with circumin: This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask: does anybody know if cumin has curcumin? It seems so intuitive to expect that it would, but intuition has never been my friend. Chak, the intuition-impaired SignatureIn science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms. --Stephen Jay Gould >> Discussion of properties and studies undertaken to develop treatments >> for Alzheimers, diabetes, with circumin: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Chak, the intuition-impaired I would say most cumin has curcumins, a polyphenol with a molecular formula C21H20O6. It is actually also present in curry, or tumeric based concoctions. It is the active ingredient in Indian curry. Get a snootful of that stuff, and you'll remember it for a few days, more than likely! Will, T2 > I would say most cumin has curcumins, a polyphenol with a molecular > formula C21H20O6. Are you guessing, or do you know? > It is actually also present in curry, or tumeric based concoctions. > It is the active ingredient in Indian curry. Get a snootful of that > stuff, and you'll remember it for a few days, more than likely! It's present in curry because of the turmeric. What I want to know is if it's present in cumin. Chak SignatureIn science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms. --Stephen Jay Gould This post not CC'd by email On 01 Mar 2006 03:56:01 GMT, Chakolate <chakolateDeathToSpammers@gmail.com> wrote: >It's present in curry because of the turmeric. What I want to know is if >it's present in cumin. > >Chak G'day G'day Chak, Let's help with intuition impairment. Grind a little cumin with a mortar and pestle. Drop it on a nice white table cloth. Is the table cloth stained BRIGHT ORANGE? <grin> You might have already guessed that IMHO this experiment is pretty safe to do because despite the similarity in name, cumin as we know it is a seed utterly unrelated to the turmeric rhizomes from which we get the turmeric powder. I can't comment on cumin roots having never seen them. Curcumin is bright orange. Turmeric powder as used as a curry ingredient stains table clothes. The Mexicans even have a dish called "table cloth stainer." There are several reasons why turmeric stains so much. Firstly, the curcuminoids are present at about 5% of the turmeric powder. The bioflavonoids in paprika are present in amounts much less than 1%. The second reason is that curcuminoids stains certain tissues. If you buy some turmeric tablets you might wonder why you don't just buy the spice powder. Well the tablets contain 95% curcuminoids, guaranteed. That makes them nineteen times more concentrated. If you cut some ginger root you will notice a pale yellow tinge. That it due to low concentrations of curcuminoids. It you buy turmeric root and cut it you will find one of two things. White turmeric is pale yellow. This variety is used in pickles often with fierce concentrations of chili despite the jars being labeled mild. Alternatively you will notice an intense odour and intense orange carrot like colour if the turmeric is what it called yellow turmeric. You can grate this form and use it in curries etc. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin >This post not CC'd by email > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >Best wishes, That is a most impressive and learned post Quentin. Will, T2 This post not CC'd by email On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:48:31 -0500, W.M.McKee <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote: >>This post not CC'd by email >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Will, T2 G'day G'day Will, You raise a somewhat delicate point. I pitch my posts to intelligent people. There is a reason why you enjoy my posts. <grin> My friendly editor has another point of view. Dumb it down is the basic message I get. I smile I little when he says the book is too erudite. My book, so he suggests, is for the hoons who never learnt anything about scientific method, drive fast cars and somehow survived long enough to become adults. To him, those are the blokes I should be writing for. Perhaps you can see my dilemma. If the content is dumbed down and dumbed down a point is reached where I find it hard to look at myself in the mirror. Make things too simple and one does harm because the reality we enjoy is wonderfully complex. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > My friendly editor has another point of view. Dumb it down is the > basic message I get. I smile I little when he says the book is too > erudite. Oooh, please, please don't dumb it down. The idea of 'too erudite' is an oxymoron. Erudition does not obfuscate. ;-) Chak SignatureIn science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms. --Stephen Jay Gould > My friendly editor has another point of view. Dumb it down is the > basic message I get. Does this guy have an email addy? We could lay it on him : ) Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg This post not CC'd by email On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:23:59 -0000, "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote: >> My friendly editor has another point of view. Dumb it down is the >> basic message I get. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Nicky. G'day G'day Nicky, Thanks for the offer, Nicky. He wouldn't reply. I took him to the airport yesterday and wished him a safe flight. What I have had to discover the hard way is that people here talk about protein:fat:carbohydrate ratios, intervention trial, abstracts etc with a reasonable degree of understanding. The rest of the world doesn't. Put simply I have to do more ground work to bring my readers up to speed. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin Hi Quentin: > What I have had to discover the hard way is that people here talk > about protein:fat:carbohydrate ratios, intervention trial, abstracts > etc with a reasonable degree of understanding. The rest of the world > doesn't. Put simply I have to do more ground work to bring my readers > up to speed. One way to avoid the technical language is to use appendices by chapter of the references as well as internet links. There can be a glossary appendix also. Some of Barry Sears and Jenny Brand-Miller's books use these techniques. Frank "Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > My friendly editor has another point of view. Dumb it down is the > basic message I get. I smile I little when he says the book is too [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > look at myself in the mirror. Make things too simple and one does > harm because the reality we enjoy is wonderfully complex. Find a publisher who caters for the erudites? ;) > My friendly editor has another point of view. Dumb it down is the > basic message I get. I smile I little when he says the book is too > erudite. My book, so he suggests, is for the hoons who never learnt > anything about scientific method, drive fast cars and somehow survived > long enough to become adults. To him, those are the blokes I should > be writing for. Does this mean you have found an editor to publish your book? I sure hope so! --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control This post not CC'd by email On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:02:15 -0500, Jenny <lottadata@hotmail.com> wrote: >> My friendly editor has another point of view. Dumb it down is the >> basic message I get. I smile I little when he says the book is too [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >--Jenny G'day G'day Jenny, If only. I have a "friendly editor", a mate who has excellent language skills including debating skills. He is not an editor. I'd like a reasonably polished article before I start trying to get it published. It would be a pity to get rejected on form and to mistake the rejection as being one relating to content. >http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info > >http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood >Sugar Under Control Thanks Jenny, Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > If only. I have a "friendly editor", a mate who has excellent language > skills including debating skills. He is not an editor. I'd like a > reasonably polished article before I start trying to get it published. > It would be a pity to get rejected on form and to mistake the > rejection as being one relating to content. Quentin, the usual form is to write 3 chapters the way you want them, with an outline of how you expect the rest to pan out; THEN you start trying to sell it, starting with market research on which publisher would be likely to take it on. The alternative is to find an agent first and get them to sell it. Either way, you should expect enough rejection slips to paper your loo - and none of them will have anything to do with the content. Unpublished authors have a very slim chance of getting off the slush pile; maximising them means presenting your work in the way they expect. If you put a complete book in an envelope, you're reducing its chances of even being flicked through considerably. Your eventual publisher will have at least something of a house style that he/she will expect you to follow, so don't spend too much time polishing it. What is critical is things like the font you use, the line spacing, and which publishing houses you're targeting, with the right name on the envelope - if you don't own a current copy of the Writers' and Artists' Yearbook, RUN to borrow a library copy. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg is form and use it in curries etc. >>>Best wishes, >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Best wishes, I dunno, Quentin. I am still thinking about what to say... I do very much understand your dilemma, as I live with it daily, in a different form, myself. As a lawyer, you might say my "stock in trade" is words. Personally, I try to avoid what the world calls "legalese", because when so regarded, language has a tendency to become ridiculously complicated. Yet, that wierd type of language is what some have come to expect. It takes real work, I know, but there has to be a way to reach enough of the "average blokes" and still produce intelligent writing that actually conveys meaningful information in an interesting way. From my own observation, I do think you have the capacity to achieve that. And, I send my best wishes to you, Quentin, in return, always Will, T2 This post not CC'd by email On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:08:04 -0500, W.M.McKee <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote: >It takes real work, I know, but there has to be a way to reach enough >of the "average blokes" and still produce intelligent writing that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Will, T2 G'day G'day Will, I working on the assumption that there are some slightly complex points to be made and it simply a matter of adopting a different approach when my first one didn't work. Your comments on simple language in law has inspired me to keep on going. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:05:53 +1300, Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >I pitch my posts to intelligent people. >My friendly editor has another point of view. Dumb it down is the >basic message I get. I smile I little when he says the book is too >Best wishes, <grin> SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. This post not CC'd by email On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:16:00 -0500, Ma¢k <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote: >On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:05:53 +1300, Quentin Grady ><quentin@paradise.net.nz> Huffed and Puffed the following into the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>My friendly editor has another point of view. Dumb it down is the >>basic message I get. I smile I little when he says the book is too Someone has deleted the word "erudite" >>Best wishes, > ><grin> SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin >>This post not CC'd by email >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Will, T2 And thanks for repeating it in full, Will. My ISP went weird last night and many posts have not appeared today - including that one by Quentin. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > You might have already guessed that IMHO this experiment is pretty > safe to do because despite the similarity in name, cumin as we know it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Curcumin is bright orange. AHA! Thank you, Quentin, that's what I suspected. I didn't know that the bright orange part of turmeric was the curcumin; I shall in future be much happier to see that stain around my kitchen. :-) Chak SignatureIn science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms. --Stephen Jay Gould This post not CC'd by email On 01 Mar 2006 20:08:09 GMT, Chakolate <chakolateDeathToSpammers@gmail.com> wrote: >> You might have already guessed that IMHO this experiment is pretty >> safe to do because despite the similarity in name, cumin as we know it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Chak G'day G'day Chak, I like it. Little spots of sunshine signifying someone with the courage to do what is healthy. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > I like it. Little spots of sunshine signifying someone with the >courage to do what is healthy. There is a slight downside. I'm partially colorblind (since birth, nothing to do with my present problems). As such, I have great difficulty differentiating shade differences between colors. For example, I've never actually seen someone blush. I just can't see minor shade or color changes. So, I was rather disturbed, a while back, when several people began commenting that I looked like I had jaundice, especially in my hands. After much investigation I learned a lesson: wear gloves if you are mixing tumeric into things by hand. I knew it stained some things, but I hadn't realized it was staining my skin. :-) > After much investigation I learned a lesson: wear gloves if you are > mixing tumeric into things by hand. I knew it stained some things, but > I hadn't realized it was staining my skin. ROFL! It is a wonderful dyestuff. I think only beets are equally staining! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg > > After much investigation I learned a lesson: wear gloves if you are > > mixing tumeric into things by hand. I knew it stained some things, but > > I hadn't realized it was staining my skin. > > ROFL! It is a wonderful dyestuff. I think only beets are equally staining! Household bleach removes it instantly. If you have clothes stained in it and hang them out to dry in the sunshine, that removes it, too. Takes a bit longer, though. It has to be a sunny day. SignatureJohn38 - t1 (LADA) since 2003 : DAFNE (glargine/aspart) >> > After much investigation I learned a lesson: wear gloves if you are >> > mixing tumeric into things by hand. I knew it stained some things, but [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >and hang them out to dry in the sunshine, that removes it, too. Takes a >bit longer, though. It has to be a sunny day. Hey, thanks! I've got several white towels with tumeric stains on (and that I can see!). I'll give that a try. >> After much investigation I learned a lesson: wear gloves if you are >> mixing tumeric into things by hand. I knew it stained some things, but >> I hadn't realized it was staining my skin. > >ROFL! It is a wonderful dyestuff. I think only beets are equally staining! I might just try it instead of paint! The intense Ultraviolet up here pulls the color out of anything in short order! :-) > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and treat a broad range of diseases: cancer, cystic fibrosis, > Alzheimer's and arthritis." I must have taken a double dose of a cynicism supplement this morning, because reading this made me worry about when we would be forbidden access to turmeric except by prescription. :-( Priscilla This post not CC'd by email On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:31:38 -0500, "Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> wrote: >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Priscilla G'day G'day Priscilla, Take a look at scholar Google or Pubmed for turmeric. It's the spice that keeps on giving. While I fully accept you point regarding cynicism, don't worry that it will be on prescription. Prescription items are on prescription in part because some pharmacy company patented the drug. They can't patent turmeric. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > Take a look at scholar Google or Pubmed for turmeric. It's the > spice that keeps on giving. While I fully accept you point regarding > cynicism, don't worry that it will be on prescription. Prescription > items are on prescription in part because some pharmacy company > patented the drug. They can't patent turmeric. I wish it were that simple. In the US, legislators (particularly ones owned by Big Pharma) have been rumbling about the need to control and regulate supplements. That's far too close to 'prescription' for my liking. Chak SignatureIn science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms. --Stephen Jay Gould This post not CC'd by email On 01 Mar 2006 20:26:59 GMT, Chakolate <chakolateDeathToSpammers@gmail.com> wrote: >> Take a look at scholar Google or Pubmed for turmeric. It's the >> spice that keeps on giving. While I fully accept you point regarding [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Chak G'day G'day Chak, Yes, I had for the moment forgotten that aspect. In New Zealand there was considerable backlash against the proposals and they seem quietly to have disappeared. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin |
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