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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2006Correct me if I'm wrong
but didn't Chris J follow the advice of the know-it-all posters in this NG and for his troubles, he is having vision problems? so how come he keeps praising the posters here for helping him cope with his new disease? Seems by listening to them, he's paying one hell of a price. This sort of thing is what I've been carping about since I found this ragtag group. You people out there need to stop being convinced of your medical expertise and focus on moral support rather than spouting off at the mouth about treatment plans. (And you guys wonder why I piss and moan about your know-it-all attitudes...) The smartest thing a new diabetic can do is discuss every question with their medical team (endo, internist, CDE, dietitian (I'm dubious about their advice though), and pick up a few books on diabetes. Using a NG to learn about DM is subject to peril. If the information contained on this NG was basically accurate, there wouldn't be such a volume of dissension over "facts". And there's the self important contingent who dredge up cites to bolster their POV. Only problem is that the POV is an "opinion" more often than not, rather than FACT. Now I'll let business go on as usual, with the clueless leading the newbies. I wonder who the next casualty will be. Dave > The smartest thing a new diabetic can do is discuss every question with > their medical team (endo, internist, CDE, dietitian (I'm dubious about > their advice though), and pick up a few books on diabetes. Using a NG > to learn about DM is subject to peril. You do make some valid points, Dave. People should do their own homework, and yes, some come to this group with a better level of information than others. Yet, for the most part, I do sincerely believe most folks really want to be of assistance to others who are suffering from diabetes. Moreover, it should be frequently stated that every case is different, as Loretta, Julie, and others so frequently mentions in their posts, and we all have our own peculiar metabolic quirks, ranging from allergies and intolerances, to our own levels of insulin resistance that are determined by a whole host of factors.... Then, there are you T1's out there, who have fundamentally different underlying issues from T2's, although some considerations between the two types are similar...... All I can suggest is that we try to be patient and understanding with each other and encourage everyone to do their own basic learning, using this group as one of many potential resources. In the meantime, just knowing that there are others out there who care can be a big boost for some..... Hope you are well, today, Dave.... :-) Will, T2 >>The smartest thing a new diabetic can do is discuss every question with >>their medical team (endo, internist, CDE, dietitian (I'm dubious about [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Will, T2 Hey, I'm doing fine, Will. I agree with the points you've mentioned and I'm reminded that T1's and T2's would be better off much of the time in separate NG's (not that it'll happen). take care. Dave >> The smartest thing a new diabetic can do is discuss every question with >> their medical team (endo, internist, CDE, dietitian (I'm dubious about [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Will, T2 You are oh so right Will. I think most thinking people always recommend discussing medical issues with the doctor. I know I do. All I can do is share what has happened to me, what I did with my doctor's help and how it worked. I certainly cannot give anyone any medical advise. I have found out about some meds and other things that have worked for others. If they looked like something I could use then I discussed it with my doctor. If he thought it was worth trying that is what we did. If he didn't like the idea he has always told me why and since I trust his judgement I listened. Right now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good control a real challenge. For instance I checked my BG over three hours after my small dinner last evening. What I had normally would not spike me at all. My BG was 239. I was surprised on the one hand, but being I have been through things like this before, I wasn't too terribly upset. My FBG this morning was 123 which is about 10 to 25 above what is normal for me. The trick is to eat healthy foods and drink as much water as I can. Take care Will and be well.  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Feb. 28, 2006 is 2,296. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, February 28, 2006 It has been 1034 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." > ight now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank > goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > above what is normal for me. The trick is to eat healthy foods and > drink as much water as I can. I am so very sorry to hear of the illness, Chuck.... The 239 sounds like it could be getting scary! Please take care of yourself.... Get well soon! :-) Will, T2 >>ight now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >>goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Will, T2 239 is not scary. 400 isn't a whole lotta fun, but scary? Not if it comes down in a few hours. I hit over 200 practically every day. let's see now, 28 years as a T1 kinda reduces the drama of it all, Will. (NOT that I'm recommending avoiding treatment for high bg's. I'm always pushing in a bolus when I'm high) Dave > 239 is not scary. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > avoiding treatment for high bg's. I'm always pushing in a bolus when > I'm high) That just goes to illustrate the point, I think, Dave.... As a T2, who generally maintains very tight control, I would start to get very worried at anything as high as 239. Now, I agree, maybe scary is not the right word. At 400, I would be beside myself! I can imagine what freaky times you must have had over the years.... Thanks for helping me to get a better perspective. I hope you do not often go as high as 400..... I was there once, or twice, and it was NOT FUN! Take care, Will, T2 >>239 is not scary. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Will, T2 I hit 400 from a bent cannula, a couple weeks ago. I don't often get above the 200's. dave >>>ight now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >>>goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Dave Excuse my ignorance, but what does bolus mean? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Feb. 28, 2006 is 2,296. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, February 28, 2006 It has been 1034 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >>>ight now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >>>goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Dave Dave comment is very close to reality for so many diabetics. Too bad we do not have use of a recording glucometer now. A person like me as no natural insulin and as no l;ow glucose protection. Eat 100 calories and the blood sugar rise 100 points , Be at 100 and take three units of Humalog and i am headed toward -20 in about two hours. This is reality. Of course I have to take steps to alleviate this phenomena. I am on MANUAL. I weep when I hear concern over 110 readings. We have extended the diabetes thing to the limit. We need a bit of common sense restored. Each person is different and if wise will learn their case and rationally apply the proper measures. But then there will be any time to cuss other people and to solve the world problems. Many here are worrying long before they need to face the real issues. But they damn well better start educating themselves. and learn a bit of self discipline. You can eat your self to death which may be easier than eating yourself into some of the complications. Can't talk your way out of them. Guy >>>>ight now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >>>>goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>> >>> Will, T2 God bless you Guy! You are an example to us all... Will, T2 > Of course I have to take steps to alleviate this > phenomena. I am on MANUAL. LOL! Well put, Guy. All us DM's are on "manual", aren't we? No automatic system to keep us on an even keel. Dave >> ight now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >> goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Will, T2 It's just a matter of plenty of water, rest and eating healthy foods in moderation. It should only take a few days. ty Will. All good wishes are appreciated. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Feb. 28, 2006 is 2,296. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, February 28, 2006 It has been 1034 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." In looking back at my first thread here, I've discovered my memory was in error. I've been saying for a while that I was told to test three times a day by the hospital, and inject three times a day. In the thread I said they told me to test four times a day, and inject three times a day. I just checked my notes, and, yes, I was told to test four times a day, not three. I don't know when or why I started mis-remembering it as three. Just thought I'd better come clean about this error. <G> >In looking back at my first thread here, I've discovered my memory was >in error. I've been saying for a while that I was told to test three [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Just thought I'd better come clean about this error. <G> and here we thought you were perfect. damn, gotta cancel the banquet, return the award, get the deposits back, cancel the hotel contracts, notify everyone on the confirmed guests lists to cancel the flights in time to get their refunds...... Now we are gonna have to create another candidates list for Grand Exalted High Mugwump and all around Warm and Fuzzy Diabetic Leader of ASD. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. >>In looking back at my first thread here, I've discovered my memory was >>in error. I've been saying for a while that I was told to test three [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >and here we thought you were perfect. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perfectly paranoid, perhaps. <G> >damn, gotta cancel the banquet, return the award, get the deposits >back, cancel the hotel contracts, notify everyone on the confirmed >guests lists to cancel the flights in time to get their refunds...... >Now we are gonna have to create another candidates list for Grand >Exalted High Mugwump and all around Warm and Fuzzy Diabetic Leader of >ASD. ROFL! Well, I hope I'm still in the running for Resident semi-Expert on high altitude meter variance? <G> > Well, I hope I'm still in the running for Resident semi-Expert on high > altitude meter variance? <G> I think you've got that one buttoned up, Chris. ;-) Priscilla > >>In looking back at my first thread here, I've discovered my memory was > >>in error. I've been saying for a while that I was told to test three [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Well, I hope I'm still in the running for Resident semi-Expert on high > altitude meter variance? <G> Even that thread got you in the poo. >>In looking back at my first thread here, I've discovered my memory was >>in error. I've been saying for a while that I was told to test three [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Exalted High Mugwump and all around Warm and Fuzzy Diabetic Leader of >ASD. I second your nomination. You were offering as a candidate? But you'll have to fight Ted for the "warm and fuzzy" accolade. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >Right now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >above what is normal for me. The trick is to eat healthy foods and >drink as much water as I can. Be well soon. What did the doc suggest? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Right now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >>goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Be well soon. What did the doc suggest? Drink plenty of water, avoid coffee and other caffeinated drinks, get as much rest as possible and in general just take it as easy as possible for a few day. He listened to my lungs and said they are clear. There is no sign of strep throat or anything of that kind. The phlegm that I am able to expectorant is not green or any other color that might indicate a bacterial infection. He told me to take my NSAID and as long as there is any infection to be taking the QuaifenexG tablets twice a day. That is an liquifier/expectorant. I wasn't even going to go in but Laurie insisted I call because of the fever. Then his nurse said that with my history of pneumonia in my young years and now having diabetes I needed to at least come in for an exam. I jokingly told Brian (our doctor) that he just wanted to see me since I haven't been in since my physical back in October. We both got a good chuckle out of that one. He did say though that like he said the first time he ever met us, he wants us to come in early on in an illness so it isn't too late to treat it. This afternoon Laurie and I took an hour nap before she had to get ready for work. Soon after she left the dogs and I went back upstairs and slept for another hour. If tonight is anything like last evening was I won't get through any hour long shows without falling asleep. That is just fine with me. Thanks for asking Alan. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Feb. 28, 2006 is 2,296. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, February 28, 2006 It has been 1034 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >>>Right now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >>>goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Thanks for asking Alan. Hello, Grandpa Chuck, Have you had the pneumonia immunization shot? I hope so. As you will know, this killed my brother not too long ago and is pretty preventable and treatable these days under most circumstances. Hope you are feeling better soon. You know about chicken soup, I'm sure, which is the only use I personnally have for any kind of poultry, but you know, chicken soup, egg drop soup, won-ton soup (if you can handle the noodle) are all good for this type of thing. Plus, one can usually get it delivered by the quart in a pinch. Get better soon. best regards, rudy bantista@thuntek.net >Hello, Grandpa Chuck, > >Have you had the pneumonia immunization shot? Oh yeah, and my doctor did not wait for me to reach age 65. He has it in my record to update it at the appropriate time. My father died of pneumonia when he was only 32 years old. >I hope so. As you will know, >this killed my brother not too long ago and is pretty preventable and >treatable these days under most circumstances. The problem is that far too many people neglect it thinking it is "just a cold" until it has progressed too far. >Hope you are feeling better soon. You know about chicken soup, I'm sure, >which is the only use I personnally have for any kind of poultry, but you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >rudy >bantista@thuntek.net Thanks Rudy. I appreciate it. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Feb. 28, 2006 is 2,296. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, February 28, 2006 It has been 1034 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >>>Right now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >>>goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >I wasn't even going to go in but Laurie insisted I call because of the >fever. Wise Laurie. >Then his nurse said that with my history of pneumonia in my >young years and now having diabetes I needed to at least come in for [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Thanks for asking Alan. Hope you're reading this tomorrow after a good sleep. Take a few days off from everything. Veg out. Be well. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>>>Right now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >>>>goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg I've been watching a little TV. Drinking a lot of ice water. Napping. Then when I wake up like I just did I come back here and check for emails and the newsgroup. I normally only spend five to ten minutes here rather than hours at a time playing games, etc. as I normally would. We do have to do some first of the month business tomorrow, but we have our route all mapped out so will be able to go from a to b to c, etc. and then back home. I highly doubt if Laurie will want to shop around at all tomorrow. She doesn't normally let me know that she worries about me, but this is first time I have been sick for a very long time. She said last night, "I know you are really sick since all you want to do now that we are in bed is hurry up and say our prayers so we can turn the light off." LOL Usually, even if it is after 1:00 a.m. we talk for at least ten to fifteen minutes, if nothing else, that is. ;-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Feb. 28, 2006 is 2,296. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, February 28, 2006 It has been 1034 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? >>Right now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >>goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > d&e, metformin 2x500mg > You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >> d&e, metformin 2x500mg I thought anyone over the age of 8 knew that doctors can't cure the common cold! am I missing something?? Dave >> You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Dave Yes, They usually can cure pneumonia if it is caught in time. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Feb. 28, 2006 is 2,296. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, February 28, 2006 It has been 1034 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:33:04 GMT, Grandpa Chuck <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >>> You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Yes, They usually can cure pneumonia if it is caught in time. Chuck you're being set up. Mary took a swipe at you, in a manner that "appeared" non offensive and then David jumps in to throw his insult. Just do what you promised yourself and ignore them. They want to keep arguing with you. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. >On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 03:33:04 GMT, Grandpa Chuck <Grandpa >Chuck@B4ME.org> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Just do what you promised yourself and ignore them. They want to keep >arguing with you. Yes, I knew they were baiting me to see how I would answer. Mary's comment did take me a bit by surprise since she says she is a nurse. In my case, as soon as the nurse heard what I sound like she said I needed to be seen by the doctor. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 1, 2006 is 2,298. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, March 1, 2006 It has been 1035 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >> You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Dave You miss a lot when you make assumptions. Docs can't cure common cold - true. But they can reassure you that that is all that's wrong, and detect the symptoms early if the fever is indicative of something else. As I noted in my comment to Chuck - his partner was wise. I must admit to some surprise at your partner's response as a nurse. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>> You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg Every time we have checked my temperature since Sunday evening I have been running a fever. Fortunately never more than 100.9F, but even that shows the body is fighting. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Feb. 28, 2006 is 2,296. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, February 28, 2006 It has been 1034 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." In some bodies, those with a compromised immune system, a "common cold" turns into bronchitis and serious pneumonia very quickly. I have to be put on a prophylactic antibiotic as soon as a "cold" or sore throat starts with me; it travels from my throat and chest to my kidneys. I also cannot take OTC cold remedies, and need my doctor to prescribe medications that are not contraindicated with my daily meds, and conditions. There is no such thing as a "common cold" for me, and I'm sure many, many others. Right now, prednisone keeps me off my breathing machine, but it would not take much to push me over that edge to where it was needed again, so it is prudent for me to contact my doctor at the first signs of anything amiss more than what goes on each day. Billie : > You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? : > : I thought anyone over the age of 8 knew that doctors can't cure the : common cold! am I missing something?? : : Dave >^;^< Great-Granny Grayfur wrote: > In some bodies, those with a compromised immune system, a "common cold" turns into bronchitis > and serious pneumonia very quickly. I have to be put on a prophylactic antibiotic as soon as a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > : > : Dave I hear you! When ever I think I've got bronchitis I go to the doc for antibiotics because the type of bronchitis I always get is the one that antibiotics clear up--bacterial. The difference between a cold and bronchitis is quite obvious (for me). The older I get the less sick I get. As a kid I would get a couple colds each year, an ear infection , bronchitus, tonsilitus(sp???), strep throat, flu. I had mono in my senior year--that was about the sickest I've ever been. By the time I was in my 30's I would get sick only about once every 2 years and have remained relatively healthy, bug wise, ever since. I get my flu shot each year. Dave You better believe it since it was centered in my chest and bronchial area. Considering I had pneumonia at least eight times by the time I was an adult and that fact that I was a smoker for 30 years and now have diabetes with my wife's urging it seemed like the prudent thing to do. >You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >> d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Feb. 28, 2006 is 2,296. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, February 28, 2006 It has been 1034 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." > You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? One of my kids goes from having a cold to chest infections very fast. I can't properly tell if her chest needs dealing with. Her immune system is poor, something common in diabetics and people with Down syndrome for example. If she has more than a sniffle I have her chest checked out. It actually provides a baseline in case we need to go back. : > You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? : [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : has more than a sniffle I have her chest checked out. It : actually provides a baseline in case we need to go back. You betcha! With a compromised immune system, I do not fool around with doctoring myself at all. I've been able to be off my breathing machine for several years now, and *do NOT* want to have to start it up again. Billie >> You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? > One of my kids goes from having a cold to chest infections > very fast. I can't properly tell if her chest needs dealing > with. Her immune system is poor, something common in > diabetics and people with Down syndrome for example. If she > has more than a sniffle I have her chest checked out. It > actually provides a baseline in case we need to go back. I was like that as a kid. I think I spent about a quarter of my childhood in bed. But in my teens I gradually grew out of it. Now my immune system is somewhere between pretty good and too good for my own good, if you see what I mean :-) In fact when I was born the doctors told my mother I was going to die, and the longest I could be expected to live if given intensive care was a year. It proved to be the first of many overly pessimistic medical prognoses about my future. Against all medical expectations I'm now drawing my pension and still able, in an elderly fashion, to rock climb, skate, dance, and cycle, all of which I was told decades ago by everyone I consulted I'd never be able to do again, due to serious back injuries. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >>> You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >ago by everyone I consulted I'd never be able to do again, due to >serious back injuries. So glad to hear of your continuing longevity, Chris. It is always heartwarming to hear stories like yours, when someone has proven the doctors wrong and survived into a full and blessed life! Will, T2 That may be true for your child, but most people can endure a cold without progressing to pneumonia. I've been diabetic for a long time, and my husband has also. We both have asthma--his has been more prone to bronchitis. But a cold doesn't send us to the MD until a fever and a productive cough are present, which rarely happens anymore. Children are different. Their systems are more delicate. Infections can spread more rapidly. Organs are closer together--why do you think they get ear infections more easily than adults? Their eustacian tubes are shorter, and a throat infection travels more quickly up to the ears. But unless an adult has COPD, a cold should not require him/her to consult an MD. That's one problem with our healthcare system--people consult MDs more often than necessary, thus driving up the costs to all of us. Colds take time to resolve, and we must just wait them out. There are tons of OTC remedies and home remedies to help in the process. But I wish people with viruses would stay AWAY from the doctor's office where they will infect everyone else in the waiting room. Stay home, take some OTC meds, have some chicken soup, drink some tea--just wait it out. Please. >>You think he consulted the doctor concerning a cold? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > has more than a sniffle I have her chest checked out. It > actually provides a baseline in case we need to go back. I waited one out for over a month. Went through a ton of NyQuil, (yes I know) but it works pretty good, as does Mucinex DM. It's finally gone, but I was just on the edge of going to the doctor since it kept coming back. :-) -- Cheri Mary wrote in message ... Colds take time to resolve, and we must just wait them out. There are tons of >OTC remedies and home remedies to help in the process. But I wish >people with viruses would stay AWAY from the doctor's office where they >will infect everyone else in the waiting room. Stay home, take some OTC > meds, have some chicken soup, drink some tea--just wait it out. Please. Yeah, sometimes viruses hang on for quite some time. I think our expectations are different from our predecessors--we are so accustomed to using antibiotics for everything. But in actuality, it's dangerous. There are resistant bacterias that are running rampant in healthcare facilities, and all because of the overuse of antibiotics. Viruses are NOT cured by any antibiotic medications. Mary wrote: > I waited one out for over a month. Went through a ton of NyQuil, (yes I > know) but it works pretty good, as does Mucinex DM. It's finally gone, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Please. My doctor and I have an agreement. He doesn't prescribe antibiotics unless he has run a culture so he knows which one will work. If it's viral I never ask for one. >Yeah, sometimes viruses hang on for quite some time. I think our >expectations are different from our predecessors--we are so accustomed [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >> Please. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 1, 2006 is 2,298. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, March 1, 2006 It has been 1035 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." > My doctor and I have an agreement. He doesn't prescribe antibiotics > unless he has run a culture so he knows which one will work. If it's > viral I never ask for one. Wow, what a good idea! Wish that were common practice! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg > Yeah, sometimes viruses hang on for quite some time. I think our > expectations are different from our predecessors--we are so accustomed > to using antibiotics for everything. But in actuality, it's dangerous. > There are resistant bacterias that are running rampant in healthcare > facilities, and all because of the overuse of antibiotics. It's so obvious if you know anything about evolution. In the context of the fight between evolving bacteria and evolving defences against them I was told by my biology teacher about the problems of antibiotic overuse in 1960. In subsequent decades, whenever a doctor prescribed me an antibiotic for some trivial infection I would start by asking my standard weary first question, "what will happen to me if I don't take this antibiotic?" The usual honest answer is "it might take you a week longer to recover, and you'll do so without suffering any of the side effects or digestive malfunctions that might result from taking the antibiotic." But some doctors got extremely annoyed at being asked such a question, and seemed to want to thrust the stuff down my throat. Once the doc nearly hit me, and only with difficulty managed to tell me through gritted teeth and with clenched fists to leave his room immediately. Then he calmed down a bit and asked me to sign a form acepting full responsibilty for refusing the prescribed treatment. When he saw me happily take out my pen to sign it he snatched it back, thus making clear it had just been a threatening bluff which he wasn't prepared to risk having to defend to his superiors. When I got into discussions with more reasonable doctors about why I didn't want to take my pills, it often turned out that they hadn't a clue about bacterial evolution, and didn't know much about evolution in general. I've actually been offered antibiotics by doctors for something they had already told me was a viral infection. I've been offered antibiotics when I had no infection, "just in case I developed one". I suspect the problem of antibiotic overuse is a side effect of the overuse of scandalously undereducated doctors. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >I waited one out for over a month. Went through a ton of NyQuil, (yes I >know) but it works pretty good, as does Mucinex DM. It's finally gone, >but I was just on the edge of going to the doctor since it kept coming >back. :-) Our doctor told us the first time we met him over twenty years ago when we are sick even if we think it is trivial we should call in and talk to his nurse. She then either makes the decision about if we should come in or if she's in doubt she runs it past him. Between diabetes, hypertension and a history of many bouts of pneumonia as soon as the nurse heard my voice she said that I needed to get in there right away, just to make sure. I asked him if I was wasting his time. He said, not at all. With my history it was better to come in than to take the chance and perhaps have it developed into something very serious. Usually when I have a head cold I do not have a persistent fever with it as I have with this chest and throat cold. I cannot take NyQuil because it contains pseudofed. That give me severe restless leg syndrome and makes me extremely nervous. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 1, 2006 is 2,298. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, March 1, 2006 It has been 1035 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." >That may be true for your child, but most people can endure a cold >without progressing to pneumonia. I've been diabetic for a long time, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >will infect everyone else in the waiting room. Stay home, take some OTC > meds, have some chicken soup, drink some tea--just wait it out. Please. or better yet, follow your own doctor's advice, the one that knows your personal medical history and does not play a know it all pretend doctor wanna be, nurse over stepping her legal license on the net. Some of us have doctors we know and trust and who know our personal histories. Some of us only see doctors once in a blue moon. But no-one on the net, be they a nurse or not, should be telling anyone not to see their doctor. That is a decision best left to the doctor and the patient. Seems you don't have a problem playing doctor on the net when it suits you. Now lets see if your husband will dare to chastise you for it. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. >Right now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >above what is normal for me. The trick is to eat healthy foods and >drink as much water as I can. Get well soon, Chuck. >>Right now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >>goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Get well soon, Chuck. Thanks Chris. I am at the end of the third day. I hope this is the worst of it. My throat and chest hurt. On the upside, so far it isn't a head cold at all. I haven't needed a tissue more than few times a day, but that will probably change. You would think with the billions that could be made if a drug company comes up with a cure they would be doing a heck of a lot of research in this area. For you and me and most of our cohorts here we would much rather they attempt to find a cure for both kinds of diabetes. After all, they do use all their research to excuse the obscene price they get for a lot of prescriptions. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Feb. 28, 2006 is 2,296. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, February 28, 2006 It has been 1034 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." [the common cold] > You would think with the billions that could be made if a drug company > comes up with a cure they would be doing a heck of a lot of research > in this area. They have, and for just the reasons you suggest. The problem with research is that it's exploring unknown territory. You never know what you will find, or if you'll find anything worth while at all. After decades of finding nothing of much use, it has become an unfashionable research area. There are some problems which you can't crack just by throwing more research dollars at them. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >>>Right now I am fighting a bad, bad cold. The first this winter - thank >>>goodness. I can tell you that it sure has been making having good [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >a head cold at all. I haven't needed a tissue more than few times a >day, but that will probably change. Sounds like you are on the upswing, good!! >You would think with the billions that could be made if a drug company >comes up with a cure they would be doing a heck of a lot of research [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >After all, they do use all their research to excuse the obscene price >they get for a lot of prescriptions. Yep.. And more importantly IMHO the ability to stop a diverse range of viri (the common cold virus has many forms) would be so beneficial regarding more serious viri. At the moment, handling viri is probably the weakest aspect of medical science. Chuck, I hope you are eating lots of chicken soup, drinking lots of fluids and getting plenty of rest, be well soon. I had bronchitis for almost three weeks, what a bitch. I commiserate with you. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >Chuck, I hope you are eating lots of chicken soup, drinking lots of >fluids and getting plenty of rest, be well soon. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Loretta AHA! That's it! No chicken soup yet. Maybe Laurie can toss some together in the morning. Right now even a bowl of Campbell's Chicken Noodle or Lipton's Chicken Noodle soup would taste pretty good. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Feb. 28, 2006 is 2,296. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, February 28, 2006 It has been 1034 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 04:52:41 GMT, Grandpa Chuck <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >>Chuck, I hope you are eating lots of chicken soup, drinking lots of >>fluids and getting plenty of rest, be well soon. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >bowl of Campbell's Chicken Noodle or Lipton's Chicken Noodle soup >would taste pretty good. no no, to get real Jewish Penicillin you have to start from scratch and use the basic tools. 1 large stock pot, 1 hand axe, 1 sharp blade, 1 chopping block, celery, carrots, onion kosher salt, pepper, egg noodles. Always remember to start plucking from the tail end and work your way up to the neck. And yes you actually reach up in there and pull out the innards. and you have to do it more than once to clean the cavity. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. >On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 04:52:41 GMT, Grandpa Chuck <Grandpa >Chuck@B4ME.org> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >and pull out the innards. and you have to do it more than once to >clean the cavity. You have taken me back to my childhood. I always thought it was so neat to watch Grandma cut off the chicken's heads, stick them in the fence until they quit jerking, dunk them in the boiling water, pluck 'em and then finally gut them. I was about ten when she said she would let me do the honors on one of them. I chopped at the darned bird about three times with the hatchet and still it's head was attached. There was blood flying everywhere. Grandma just said, in a pretty calm voice at that, "Give her to me before everything is covered in blood." She gave it the pièce de résistance and immediately handed the bird back to me for the rest of the ritual. After helping her butcher hens a few more times all of the attraction was gone out of it and I realized it was just one more job that had to be done on the farm. The day she butchered hens we usually had chicken noodle soup with dumplings and unlaid chicken eggs in it. Her dumplings were light as the clouds in the sky. I haven't any notion at all how one would go about getting the unlaid chicken eggs unless you bought some live hens to butcher. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Mar. 1, 2006 is 2,298. Americans wounded = 16,653 United Kingdom = 103 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 - probably many more. Today, March 1, 2006 It has been 1035 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq." "Grandpa Chuck" <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> wrote in > You have taken me back to my childhood. I always thought it was so > neat to watch Grandma cut off the chicken's heads, stick them in the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > pièce de résistance and immediately handed the bird back to me for the > rest of the ritual. Hee, reminds me of my childhood. I hated the plucking process though. I still hate to smell wet feathers. I could handle the decapitating and tying them up while they flapped but not the plucking. > Hee, reminds me of my childhood. I hated the plucking > process though. I still hate to smell wet feathers. I could > handle the decapitating and tying them up while they flapped > but not the plucking. My grandfather had his own method that can best be decribed as "pithing" the poor chickens, so that in the act of dying they released their own feathers, so that they practically fell off... Then, he would finally dispatch the birds with one wring of the neck... No blood, very little mess. But then, he made a science of everything! Will, T2 >> Hee, reminds me of my childhood. I hated the plucking >> process though. I still hate to smell wet feathers. I could [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Will, T2 released their own feathers? how? did this involve the use of cherry bombs? SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. >>> Hee, reminds me of my childhood. I hated the plucking >>> process though. I still hate to smell wet feathers. I could [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >released their own feathers? how? did this involve the use of cherry >bombs? As I was led to understand, because I was just a little tyke, there was something about their autonomic nervous system that caused them to let go of their feathers, when a portion of their brains had been destroyed. My dad still swears by this method... Will, T2 >Hee, reminds me of my childhood. I hated the plucking >process though. I still hate to smell wet feathers. I could >handle the decapitating and tying them up while they flapped >but not the plucking. Wet hot feathers in the galvanised bucket; aaahh, there's an aroma from my childhood. One I was trying to forget:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > >Hee, reminds me of my childhood. I hated the plucking > >process though. I still hate to smell wet feathers. I could [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Wet hot feathers in the galvanised bucket; aaahh, there's an > aroma from my childhood. One I was trying to forget:-) And now I can go buy a twin pack of fresh large chooks for under $10. I cooked chil buffalo wings for my son the other night. He saw one feather and wouldn't eat them. Imagine if he had had my childhood, lol. Probably would never have looked at chicken ever again. >> >Hee, reminds me of my childhood. I hated the plucking >> >process though. I still hate to smell wet feathers. I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >he had had my childhood, lol. Probably would never have >looked at chicken ever again. My sister has not eaten duck, nor duck eggs, since she saw Dad chop the head off her pet Khaki Campbell for Christmas dinner in nineteen fifty something. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. "Alan S" <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> wrote in > My sister has not eaten duck, nor duck eggs, since she saw > Dad chop the head off her pet Khaki Campbell for Christmas > dinner in nineteen fifty something. OMG, I'd need serious therapy after that ;) >>The smartest thing a new diabetic can do is discuss every question with >>their medical team (endo, internist, CDE, dietitian (I'm dubious about [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Will, T2 There are some good tips in NGs but they should always be verified through further study. Likewise with any advice from "healthcare providers". > There are some good tips in NGs but they should always be verified > through further study. Likewise with any advice from "healthcare > providers". Exactly. There are definitely good tips here. Dave > but didn't Chris J follow the advice of the know-it-all posters in this > NG and for his troubles, he is having vision problems? so how come he [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Now I'll let business go on as usual, with the clueless leading the > newbies. I wonder who the next casualty will be. cosign! well said david. and it needed to be. Sally >>but didn't Chris J follow the advice of the know-it-all posters in this >>NG and for his troubles, he is having vision problems? so how come he [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Sally Hi, Sally! Thanks...if the total mass of the inflated egos here was all brought together, it would create a black hole that would swallow the entire universe. :) And if the animosity here could be harnessed as pure energy we could give up our dependence on foreign oil. Dave >> but didn't Chris J follow the advice of the know-it-all posters in this >> NG and for his troubles, he is having vision problems? so how come he [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> medical expertise and focus on moral support rather than spouting off at >> the mouth about treatment plans. that's a rather dishonest spin on that issue. up until that particular point David never disagreed with the group's general consensus which was and still is in keeping with a great many medical professionals on the issue, get the BGs under tight control and keep it there. No time frame ever specified. not once has David ever, ever said other wise, until this incident with chris. >> (And you guys wonder why I piss and moan about your know-it-all >> attitudes...) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Sally rather opportunistic. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. >> but didn't Chris J follow the advice of the know-it-all posters in this >> NG and for his troubles, he is having vision problems? so how come he [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Sally As I don't read b.a.d., and I do read you Sally (you lucky woman!) This is the first I have read of this tirade. I wonder if b.a.d. was there saying the advice was bad when it was given, or is it just Monday morning quarterbacking....... Sleepy ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is easier to make a saint out of a libertine than out of a prig. -George Santayana (1863-1952) ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> but didn't Chris J follow the advice of the know-it-all posters in this >>> NG and for his troubles, he is having vision problems? so how come he [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Sleepy actually he's just lying again, since the advice was actually given in hospital by chris' doctors. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. "Ma¢k" <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote in message > > actually he's just lying again, since the advice was actually given in > hospital by chris' doctors. I doubt Chris will agree to this. Chris didn't follow the hospitals advice. SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index ADA's Diabetes Learning Center http://diabetes.org/about-diabetes.jsp Joslin Center Beginner's Guide. http://www.joslin.org/Beginners_guide.asp Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html > "Ma¢k" <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote in message > > >>actually he's just lying again, since the advice was actually given in >>hospital by chris' doctors. > > I doubt Chris will agree to this. Chris didn't follow the hospitals advice. Tom, because I wasn't 100% certain of what I opined in my OP, I even titled it, "correct me if I'm wrong". so what does Mack Attack do? why he labels me a liar. He couldn't just disagree with something I've said, now could he? :) Instead, as usual he slings his arrows....sigh. I don't mind being corrected, but as you can see, the not so friendly folks that have responded are at it again. Nothing ever changes. :) Dave >"Ma¢k" <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote in message > >> actually he's just lying again, since the advice was actually given in >> hospital by chris' doctors. > >I doubt Chris will agree to this. Chris didn't follow the hospitals advice. Tom, I'm getting more that a little sick of you pushing this misrepresentation about me. For the last time, the *ONLY ADVICE I DIDN'T FOLLOW WAS THE MORONIC ADVICE TO EAT LOADS OF STARCH!* PERIOD! And if you think starch for a massively glucotoxic patient was such good advice, please find me one endo, or even one reputable cite, that so indicates. >>"Ma¢k" <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > good advice, please find me one endo, or even one reputable cite, that > so indicates. Plenty of starch? LOL! Dave >>"Ma¢k" <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote in message > >>> actually he's just lying again, since the advice was actually given in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Tom, I'm getting more that a little sick of you pushing this > misrepresentation about me. i told Mack that i doubt you would blame the advice of the hospital on your eye problems and some how you seem to agree with him. i dont really care what you think of my posts. and once again for the life of me i cant understand why you wouldnt be trutheful - be it memory or not wanting to tell the truth i really dont care. > For the last time, the *ONLY ADVICE I DIDN'T FOLLOW WAS THE MORONIC > ADVICE TO EAT LOADS OF STARCH!* PERIOD! you never mentioned any advice of theirs that you did follow. only that you did your own research and took care of yourself. > And if you think starch for a massively glucotoxic patient was such > good advice, please find me one endo, or even one reputable cite, that > so indicates. this is not about diet - its more about the numbers you were told or read to shoot for. I thought you would have known that. I don't care if you play doctor on yourself - 1 body part at a time. I will speak my mind about your posts with out insult but I will stop replying to anyone once I feel they are full of sh.t. so go ahead blame the hospital if you want - and I will ask where the hell they said shoot for the numbers that got you in this mess. the one thing I learned about diabetes from reading your posts is how important it is for newbie's to work with doctors and stay away from medical advice they will not understand. SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index ADA's Diabetes Learning Center http://diabetes.org/about-diabetes.jsp Joslin Center Beginner's Guide. http://www.joslin.org/Beginners_guide.asp Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html >>>"Ma¢k" <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote in message > >>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > important it is for newbie's to work with > doctors and stay away from medical advice they will not understand. Hallelujah! :) Dave >> Mr. Gantlet wrote: >><the usual stuff snipped> >> > Hallelujah! :) > > Dave OK, this thread has reached its nadir, can we resume normal programming please? Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >>> Mr. Gantlet wrote: >>><the usual stuff snipped> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Nicky. Birds of a feather I guess........ Sleepy ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is easier to make a saint out of a libertine than out of a prig. -George Santayana (1863-1952) ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>Mr. Gantlet wrote: >>><the usual stuff snipped> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nicky. Looking down the screen of my newsreader, I'd say...nope! Dave >>>>Mr. Gantlet wrote: >>>><the usual stuff snipped> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dave Well I like what Nicky had to say and wish it could have gone that way. but as it seems the trolls took advantage of my argument with Chris and it seems things are back to AbbyNormal around here. I wont get into the constant fighting with them like you and Sally do. only because I feel it takes away from a newbie's confidence in what we are saying. I also wish that those of us on similar diets would spend less time fighting with them and more time giving idea's and supporting each other. its 10pm do you know where your carbs are? well it was nice while it lasted but to think someone was pushing their own mistake on the hospital at the expense of any newbie reading this group was too much for me. efff him. eff them and forgod sakes someone effff me :). Tom < |
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