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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / February 2006New here/rant
hi, just a random rant/vent... ARGH! those "high fiber" cereals... can't believe 1/2 a cup can have as much as 6g sugar... they taste like shredded cardboard anyway.. why do they bother with the sugar?? Well i guess it can taste good w/ milk but then that's adding about 12c so out goes the snack idea..... also... when a serving is that which can be extracted using a tweezer under a microscope.... most packaging isn't that deceptive but find a few, especially under the "sugar free" label. Thirst: Get really bad thirst at night if i binge on cereals + milk but Pepsi/Coke doesn't seem to do a thing. Fiber bars/any "health" bar with sugar alcohol: Get thirst spike from either, which makes me wonder if "sugar alcohols" are really as healthy as they claim to be. Also I will stay away from those bars because they do nothing but make me hungrier (tho they are goooood) aaarrrgh! ----LostTired (pre-D, 2005, on LC regimen) > hi, > just a random rant/vent... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > ----LostTired (pre-D, 2005, on LC regimen) I have old-fashioned oatmeal almost every morning. Many people with diabetes cannot handle that, but many of us *can* eat oatmeal even though we cannot handle other types of cereal. (Make sure it is old-fashioned or steel cut oatmeal and not the "quick" variety.) I do not add any sugar. I do usually add a handful of fresh blueberries or a few sliced fresh strawberries. Again, you would need to check your meter to see if the fresh fruit would cause spikes. MaryL >> hi, >> just a random rant/vent... [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >MaryL Sounds excellent Mary, but I would caution people not to use instant or "Quick" Quaker Oats. It needs to be Old Fashioned... Also, for me a dab of butter works to improve the experience! :-) Will, T2 >>> hi, >>> just a random rant/vent... [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Will, T2 Yes, that's what I meant by my warning to use only old-fashioned or steel cut oatmeal. The butter sounds good. I'll have to try that. MaryL >>>I have old-fashioned oatmeal almost every morning. Many people with >>>diabetes cannot handle that, but many of us *can* eat oatmeal even though [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Yes, that's what I meant by my warning to use only old-fashioned or steel > cut oatmeal. The butter sounds good. I'll have to try that. Ahhh oatmeal...I remember the days, not so long ago, when I'd add generous amounts of double cream and treacle to the bowl, then throw in a handful of raisins. In those blissful but deeply ignorant and damaging days, I'd never given a thought to blood glucose levels and now I've missed the chance of trying it with butter as well...DAMN I hope they have oatmeal in heaven (or wherever). Peter >>>>I have old-fashioned oatmeal almost every morning. Many people with >>>>diabetes cannot handle that, but many of us *can* eat oatmeal even though [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Peter You can still do oatmeal, Peter. You just cannot do it with reckless abandon, eg., not with treacle, raisins, and whatever extra carbs you used to love in your oatmeal. The basic Old Fashioned or steel cut oats, alone, do have a relatively low GI. Butter and/or cream work to improve the flavor and make it more yummy. And then, there is that heavenly substance, Splenda, which if used in moderation can bring back the good old days for you! Blueberries work really well with oatmeal, also, and as Quentin discussed recently, they are remarkably good for you. BTW, this just might be heaven, if you want it to be.... All it takes is a little mental shift and a little mind wiggling, and you are there, right alongside Pooh and Piglet in the hundred acre wood. Better stay away from the huny pot, though! :-) Will, T2 I would love to be able to eat oatmeal. But I just can't get past the taste of oatmeal.....even the smell of it cooking makes me sick. Suzi A1c 6.4 T2 DX 10/2002 > >>>>I have old-fashioned oatmeal almost every morning. Many people with > >>>>diabetes cannot handle that, but many of us *can* eat oatmeal even though [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Will, T2 >I would love to be able to eat oatmeal. But I just can't get past >the taste of oatmeal.....even the smell of it cooking makes me >sick. > >Suzi Ach, Suzi... Some of us grew up on the stuff, and had nothing else for breakfast for years... I guess for someone like you, it must be a cultivated taste! I would suggest you try it leisurely at first, in small portions, doctored up to taste.. You might learn to like it, and it could help the BG and cholesterol... Just a thought. Wi,,, T2 > You can still do oatmeal, Peter. You just cannot do it with reckless > abandon, eg., not with treacle, raisins, and whatever extra carbs you > used to love in your oatmeal. Or maybe not. Years ago, I could eat oatmeal without peaking too direly, and I posted a message about how it worked for me. Immediately Alice Faber posted that she had gone and tried it and a small serving of oatmeal had sent her blood sugar into the 200s. Nowadays, a small serving of plain oatmeal sends my blood sugar into the high 180s, even the gritty natural grain ones full of fiber. So it's time to test, test, test. For the original poster: you can make a very nice and much lower carb hot cereal by mixing up ground flax seed, wheat bran, and if you can take the calories, plain grated coconut or walnuts. Pour in boiling water for a hot cereal, add some berries (straw or blue) and you are in business. I also stir the uncooked cereal into yogurt to give it some body. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control > > You can still do oatmeal, Peter. You just cannot do it with reckless > > abandon, eg., not with treacle, raisins, and whatever extra carbs you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Alice Faber posted that she had gone and tried it and a small serving of > oatmeal had sent her blood sugar into the 200s. It was a slow-cooking oatmeal, but not the cook-overnight sort. I love oatmeal, but haven't had any since. There's nothing like seeing a 238 on the meter (not to mention the tingling hands!) to take away the urge. Even at hotel breakfast buffets (my normal venue for "tasting" ordinarily forbidden carbs, like grits or fresh orange juice), I haven't been tempted to take even a spoonful of oatmeal.  SignatureAF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball >> > You can still do oatmeal, Peter. You just cannot do it with reckless >> > abandon, eg., not with treacle, raisins, and whatever extra carbs you [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >ordinarily forbidden carbs, like grits or fresh orange juice), I haven't >been tempted to take even a spoonful of oatmeal. That would make me swear off it, also, Alice. I avoid anything that sends me over 140.... Will, T2 > I love oatmeal, but haven't had any since. There's nothing like seeing a > 238 on the meter (not to mention the tingling hands!) to take away the > urge. Even at hotel breakfast buffets (my normal venue for "tasting" > ordinarily forbidden carbs, like grits or fresh orange juice), I haven't > been tempted to take even a spoonful of oatmeal. Fortunately, I can eat oatmeal, but I *only* make oatmeal I prepare myself so I can be sure it is old-fashioned or steelcut (but would avoid it with an experience like yours). I *never* get oatmeal in a restaurant because they often use "quick" oatmeal, and I don't trust them to tell me the truth -- often because the server simply does not understand the importance of accurate information. MaryL >> You can still do oatmeal, Peter. You just cannot do it with reckless >> abandon, eg., not with treacle, raisins, and whatever extra carbs you [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood >Sugar Under Control Very good post, Jenny... Nothing like the voice of experience. I do the Old Fashioned oats sometimes with the butter, cream, and blueberries, and so far, I have not had any problems... But then again, everyone is different, and we are all at different stages in the progression of our common affliction. Thanks for your perspective. Will, T2 > Or maybe not. Years ago, I could eat oatmeal without peaking too > direly, and I posted a message about how it worked for me. Immediately > Alice Faber posted that she had gone and tried it and a small serving > of oatmeal had sent her blood sugar into the 200s. Oatmeal was the food that first gave me my RH symptoms. The fact I had it for breakfast probably didn't help. I used to have a moderate serving with skim milk, a bit of salt and some powdered artificial sweetener added before cooking. I used the health food stuff you could buy loose, very chewy even after lengthy cooking. I would add unprocessed bran, butter, and sometimes unsweetened home made chunky stewed apples (granny smith). Within half an hour, I kid you not, my legs would buckle from underneath me and I would drop to the floor unable to walk. >>Or maybe not. Years ago, I could eat oatmeal without > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Oatmeal was the food that first gave me my RH symptoms. The <snip> Within half an hour, I kid you not, > my legs would buckle from underneath me and I would drop to > the floor unable to walk. That must have been terrifying! I'm afraid I can't figure out what "RH" means in this context though. . . --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control Reactive hypoglycemia? That's how I read it, anyway. >>> Or maybe not. Years ago, I could eat oatmeal without >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood > Sugar Under Control > >>Or maybe not. Years ago, I could eat oatmeal without > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > I'm afraid I can't figure out what "RH" means in this context though. . . Reactive hypoglycemia. I had just had a baby a few weeks before, I was back to normal weight and then wham. I had 6 months of shocking reactions to small amounts of carb. By the time I was diagnosed I already had a book that showed me how to deal with it. I had a string of tests by different specialists in a large Sydney teaching hospital. Six months before I was finally diagnosed. First tests were for MS, heart disease, thyroid etc. I saw neurologist, cardiologist and endo amongst others. The cardiologist suggested it could be RH which then confirmed everything I had read in my book. The endo did an 8 hr OGTT in the hospital. The oatmeal would raise and dump me fast within half an hour of eating. >> Or maybe not. Years ago, I could eat oatmeal without > peaking too [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > my legs would buckle from underneath me and I would drop to > the floor unable to walk. Are you sure it was the oatmeal and not a possible combination of products? For example, I have no problem with oatmeal but bran will cause immediate spikes. You also mentioned stewed apples. Could they have included any refined sugar? MaryL > >> Or maybe not. Years ago, I could eat oatmeal without > > peaking too [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > spikes. You also mentioned stewed apples. Could they have included any > refined sugar? Sometimes I ate it plain, just salt and artificial sweetener. Sometimes the bran and sometimes the apples. I stewed the apples myself with a little sweetener. I had been to Weight Watchers 5 years before and hadn't used sugar since then. > Are you sure it was the oatmeal and not a possible combination of products? > For example, I have no problem with oatmeal but bran will cause immediate > spikes. You also mentioned stewed apples. Could they have included any > refined sugar? doesn't matter if they have added sugar or not, they're already rather sweet. In addition, they have been stewed (and presumably reduced), so the natural sugars are concentrated! SignatureJohn38 - t1 (LADA) since 2003 : DAFNE (glargine/aspart) >I have old-fashioned oatmeal almost every morning. Many people with >diabetes cannot handle that, but many of us *can* eat oatmeal even though we >cannot handle other types of cereal. (Make sure it is old-fashioned or >steel cut oatmeal and not the "quick" variety.) >MaryL Would you believe that there is now a quick version of steel-cut oatmeal? I happened to glance at the flyer from Trader Joe's the other day and noticed it. They prepare it the old, long way and package it (freeze it? I forget) and you can microwave it quickly. I've never tried it, so I have no idea if this would act the same way on BG as "fresh" steel-cut oatmeal. > > hi, > > just a random rant/vent... [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > MaryL Hi MaryL: > I have old-fashioned oatmeal almost every morning. Many people with > diabetes cannot handle that, but many of us *can* eat oatmeal even though we [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > strawberries. Again, you would need to check your meter to see if the fresh > fruit would cause spikes. I tried old-fashioned oat meal (1/2 cup) and tested every 15 minutes for 2 hours. That was the last of old-fashioned. I saw a receipe for steel cut oats that used a slow cook crock pot. The cooking started the previous evening and was ready in the morning. Frank > Fiber bars/any "health" bar with sugar alcohol: Get thirst spike from > either, which makes me wonder if "sugar alcohols" are really as healthy > as they claim to be. Also I will stay away from those bars because they > do nothing but make me hungrier (tho they are goooood) aaarrrgh! > > ----LostTired (pre-D, 2005, on LC regimen) Maltitol will raise the blood sugar of a lot of us. I put together a fact page about it and other sugar alcohols back at the height of the "low carb" craze when the market was full of supposedly low carb" foods full of hidden carbs which gave a lot of people the idea that low carb diets didn't work--when they'd never really been on one. http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/products.htm There are lots of very helpful low carb food ideas in the archives of alt.support.diet.low-carb. Google them and you'll come up with tons of good ideas for breakfast and snacks. --Jenny http:www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control > hi, > just a random rant/vent... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > ----LostTired (pre-D, 2005, on LC regimen) Hi and welcome! I never much like cereal and I can't have dairy. So those things are not a problem for me. I also avoid sugar alcohols because they send me flying to the bathroom, plus they leave a funny feeling in my mouth. I do better when I eat whole foods and mainly vegetables. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm > hi, > just a random rant/vent... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they bother with the sugar?? Well i guess it can taste good w/ milk > but then that's adding about 12c so out goes the snack idea..... I used to eat one of them, Fiber One, I think but I'm not positive, that was actually sweetened with aspartame. Usually when I have high fiber cereal now it's All Bran, because I actually like the stuff. I add fresh fruit to it - strawberries, banana, peaches, whatever I have. Not low carb but not high carb like most packaged cereals. All Bran is one of the few cereals that will keep me feeling full for more than one hour after breakfast. I usually only use 1/2 cup of milk on my cereal, an additional 6g of carb. I am also Type 1, so carbs don't bother me. > also... when a serving is that which can be extracted using a tweezer > under a microscope.... most packaging isn't that deceptive but find a > few, especially under the "sugar free" label. You always have to read nutrition labels carefully to see how many servings are in a bag, box, package of something. Many items that seem to be one individually wrapped serving are actually 2 or 3, but people don't realize that. Who the hell would eat 1/3 of a muffin? > Thirst: Get really bad thirst at night if i binge on cereals + milk but > Pepsi/Coke doesn't seem to do a thing. Sweet foods often make me really thirsty, even some sugar free foods (like Jello). I drink water after something sweet. > Fiber bars/any "health" bar with sugar alcohol: Get thirst spike from > either, which makes me wonder if "sugar alcohols" are really as healthy > as they claim to be. Also I will stay away from those bars because they > do nothing but make me hungrier (tho they are goooood) aaarrrgh! With me, getting thirsty after something sweet doesn't always have anything to do with sugar, since sugar free Jello will do the same thing to me. Sometimes after I have a cup of hot tea sweetened with Equal, I want to drink plain water. It doesn't bother me too much, since the thirst doesn't linger for long. I'm not crazy about sugar alcohols. They do raise my BG quickly, there's nothing slow & even about it. If there's too much of them in an item, I get an upset stomach and need the bathroom a lot. -- Liz Snack?? Snack? Cheap, healthy snack? Try carrots. BTW, milk isn't all that good, either. >Snack?? > >Snack? Cheap, healthy snack? Try carrots. > >BTW, milk isn't all that good, either. how many? for a type 1 or type 2? are we planning on having to take insulin as a type 1 or not? exercise as a type 2 or not? we need to know these before we eat carrots as diabetics. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. >how many? for a type 1 or type 2? are we planning on having to take >insulin as a type 1 or not? exercise as a type 2 or not? we need to >know these before we eat carrots as diabetics. When I eat raw carrots as a snack - it's rarely more than half an average carrot, roughly cut into strips and used to dip in something like a guacamole. I've never had a spike from that quantity, even in the morning. My only problems with carrots come with cooked ones - or carrot juice. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:52:51 +1100, Alan S <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >>how many? for a type 1 or type 2? are we planning on having to take >>insulin as a type 1 or not? exercise as a type 2 or not? we need to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg less than an actual 15 gram portion. or 1 carb serving. many, not all, type 1s can do that as well without needing any extra insulin. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. >Snack?? > >Snack? Cheap, healthy snack? Try carrots. > >BTW, milk isn't all that good, either. I take all my meds (quite a few) with milk. It helps soothe my stomach. JMO of course. Sleepy ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is easier to make a saint out of a libertine than out of a prig. -George Santayana (1863-1952) ------------------------------------------------------------------ >ARGH! those "high fiber" cereals... can't believe 1/2 a cup can have as >much as 6g sugar... they taste like shredded cardboard anyway.. why do >they bother with the sugar?? Well i guess it can taste good w/ milk >but then that's adding about 12c so out goes the snack idea..... It's not just the sugar....what type are you? Read this: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >hi, >just a random rant/vent... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >----LostTired (pre-D, 2005, on LC regimen) Here is Joslin's take on Sugar Alcohols : http://www.joslin.org/managing_your_diabetes_702.asp AFAIC, Sugar Alcohols are an excuse for Atkins people to eat higher carb food, and still feel smug about it. Sleepy ------------------------------------------------------------------ It is easier to make a saint out of a libertine than out of a prig. -George Santayana (1863-1952) ------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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