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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / February 2006This must be the tenth time I asked this question
So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the hour last night. I just tested two hours after lunch of tuna on one slice of whole wheat and some clear chicken broth. I was 150. Is the infection causing havoc with my blood sugars. I just started taking an antibiotic this evening. I am not stressed much, just a little , but I dont feel good, waaa. lol just tell me these higher numbers are normal in a person with an infection. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is > dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Numbers can be higher when you're fighting an infection. Antibiotics will do diddly squat if it's a virus you have. If it's strep or something like that, then they work. Sending you nice hot cyber bowls of matzo soup. c Loretta - I'm with Colleen - sending you mystic vibes of my Bubbe's chicken soup with matzo balls. Hope you're better soon! Barbara Totally off the subject here but I've got a dentist appt tomorrow near the best delicatessan in town. (Of course we only have two authentic ones.) I can hear the matzo soup and corned beef calling me even as I type. c > Loretta - I'm with Colleen - sending you mystic vibes of my Bubbe's > chicken soup with matzo balls. Hope you're better soon! > Barbara >Totally off the subject here but I've got a dentist appt tomorrow near the >best delicatessan in town. (Of course we only have two authentic ones.) I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> chicken soup with matzo balls. Hope you're better soon! >> Barbara Better take it easy on the matzo balls, Colleen. They will do a number on the BG. Maybe a taste would be OK, just be careful and don't get carried away! :-) Will, T2 I always or a cup of matzo, and eat half the matzo and give the rest to sweetheart. I order 1/2 sandwich to go with it and eat the meat and a slice of the bread. It's also one of those meals I eat very rarely. It tastes soooo much better when it's a treat rather than the norm. c >>Totally off the subject here but I've got a dentist appt tomorrow near the >>best delicatessan in town. (Of course we only have two authentic ones.) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Will, T2 Colleen, by any chance is the deli a kosher deli or kosher style deli I love corned beef with coleslaw on top. mmm I may order that for lunch, You gave me a good idea Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Kosher style. Nothing to compare to the 2nd Ave. Deli in Manhatten but for Milwaukee, it's good. Mmmmm...Rueben. c > Colleen, by any chance is the deli a kosher deli or kosher style deli > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Colleen do you mean matzo ball soup. Different parts of the country call it by different names. The delis are fading fast in Brooklyn. There is only one left that I know about. It is a shame, I remember as a child, I would go in to the neighborhood deli and for fifty cents I got a hot dog, french fries and a coke. Today that is about eight bucks The deli owner was such a cheap man, When kids came in to eat, he would portion ot the ketchup to them and not give them the bottle. Adults got the bottle. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Yes, matzo ball. c > Colleen do you mean matzo ball soup. Different parts of the country > call it by different names. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. | I remember as a child, I would go in to the | neighborhood deli and for fifty cents I got a hot dog, french fries and | a coke. Today that is about eight bucks Isn't that a typo? Shouldn't that be "eightY bucks" ?? LOL >Totally off the subject here but I've got a dentist appt tomorrow near the >best delicatessan in town. (Of course we only have two authentic ones.) I >can hear the matzo soup and corned beef calling me even as I type. Colleen, you might want to consider doing what my parents did. When I was a kid, I had braces, which had to be tightened every few weeks. That was no fun as it gave me very, very sore teeth, leaving me unable to chew much for a few days. However, my parents felt sorry for me, so would always take me out for dinner to my favorite restaurant after leaving the dentist. My favorite thing there was the hard corn tortilla chip nachos, which, of course, I couldn't eat. So, if you go to the Deli after your dental work, maybe you won't be able to eat anything, and thus no problem with BG's. :-) Just kidding, and I hope you don't have a bad dentist visit!! Just my teeth cleaning tomorrow. Most of my teeth are now crowns. Taking care of my gums is my big worry now. After all that Sweetheart paid for the crown work, I better keep these pearly whites in my mouth. c >>Totally off the subject here but I've got a dentist appt tomorrow near the >>best delicatessan in town. (Of course we only have two authentic ones.) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Just kidding, and I hope you don't have a bad dentist visit!! >So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is >dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Loretta When I took the diabetes education classes in '96 they said to expect high blood sugars during a cold or any other illness. I have found that often the higher than usual blood sugars may be the first sign that I coming down with something. So, in my case it is normal to have higher numbers during a time of infection.  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 30, 2006 is 2,242. United Kingdom = 99 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. yep completely normal mom... no worries.. you'll be back to normal soon enough.. sending good vibes so you feel better quickly.. hugs. Signature---- RK - Animas IR1250 pumper ... having fun with autoimmune diseases NOT! dx 5/00 - last a1c 6.3 | So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is | dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and | terrorism. > So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is > dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > just tell me these higher numbers are normal in a person with an > infection. Hi Loretta, I think that is what it must be.... 150 is definitely high, but not catostrophic in the short run. We all get up there sometimes, depending on stress, exercise, what we have had to eat, etc... 123 for a FBG is a little high, too, but not so bad, really. Just hang in there and try to get well. You should be fine! Keep taking care of yourself. Will, T2 Will, T2 Loretta... How do you know you have an infection? That wouldn't be the first thing I thought of when I have a cough. Antibiotics won't help your run of the mill cold or even flu. But in any case, any illness is a stress to the body and can cause higher BGs. Feel better soon. Jennifer > So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is > dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. >So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is >dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Loretta The others gave good advice. I'll just hope you get better real soon. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Loretta I don't have any answers for you but I do wish you well. It is my belief that any infection will raise your blood sugar some. Not sure how you feel about the ADA but here is a link on what they have to say about it. I sure hope it helps you understand. Take care and be well really soon. http://www.diabetes.org/gestational-diabetes/sick.jsp just noticed the word gestational in the link but I don't remember reading that in the link so hope it still helps you. > So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, > the hypo, it is [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > with strife and > terrorism. >So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is >dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the >hour last night. I just tested two hours after lunch of tuna on one >slice of whole wheat and some clear chicken broth. I was 150. What a difference between Type 1 and Type 2! When I'm coming down with a cold, my BG's go up to 300 or more, with no other explanation. And this is a *leading* indicator, appearing before any other cold symptoms. On the other hand, the BG's return to normal [for me] before the cold symptoms have completely disappeared. | >So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is | >dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | symptoms. On the other hand, the BG's return to normal [for me] before | the cold symptoms have completely disappeared. yeah, I know.. reading here for over 5yrs and seeing the huge difference between t1's and t2's... I often think when I've hit 200... oh man! I'm gonna die now. Then I think, I'd like to see some of these T2's try to deal with being a T1 just for a month on a daily basis and watch how many of them throw out their "Oh if you go above 140, you're causing damage" thoughts.. I wonder what is better? Having an average of 119 and having 2-3 hypos a day... or having an average of 130 and spiking into 200's and no hypos...? ---- RK - Animas IR1250 pumper ... having fun with autoimmune diseases NOT! dx 5/00 - last a1c 6.3 >yeah, I know.. reading here for over 5yrs and seeing the huge difference >between t1's and t2's... I often think when I've hit 200... oh man! I'm gonna [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I wonder what is better? Having an average of 119 and having 2-3 hypos a >day... or having an average of 130 and spiking into 200's and no hypos...? Speaking only for myself, when I'm at 130, I'm at the peak of well-being and energy. Anything below 100 represents a danger zone, in that a hypo could be coming. In the other direction, I don't start to notice any adverse effects until I get to about 250. Of course readings like these are causing hidden damage, but so far (after 40 years of diabetes) the only serious complication I have is retinopathy (which was successfully treated by laser 20 years ago). Type 2 is really a different disease. I think in some ways, it's *worse* than Type 1. I went to a lecture once at which an endocrinologist/professor contended that the thing that caused heart attacks and strokes in Type 2 diabetics was precisely the *high* levels of serum insulin, which were being generated because of the insulin resistance. Type 1's don't have this problem. >>yeah, I know.. reading here for over 5yrs and seeing the huge difference >>between t1's and t2's... I often think when I've hit 200... oh man! I'm gonna [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >levels of serum insulin, which were being generated because of the >insulin resistance. Type 1's don't have this problem. Thanks Alexander Good post, particularly that last part. As a non-insulin using Type 2 my reactive hypos disappeared when I regularly started getting FBGs under 5.5(100) and 1hr post-prandials under 6.7(120). We have much in common, but we should always be mindful of the differences between types 1 and 2 when commenting on BG levels, diet, methods of management etc Some of our bickering would diminish if both types respected that view. The 1.5's and LADAs have a leg in both camps. I've learnt a lot from the type 1's here. Some things I may never need - but some were very useful to me. I think some of the type 1's have also learnt from us - but I can't speak for them. And that's my point. It would be really, really helpful to readers, particularly newbies, if all posters noted at least their type in their sig. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >Good post, particularly that last part. As a non-insulin >using Type 2 my reactive hypos disappeared when I regularly >started getting FBGs under 5.5(100) and 1hr post-prandials >under 6.7(120). I wonder whether, after you got your BG under better control, your body "recalibrated" its hypoglycemic awareness. In other words, your actual (low) BG numbers might have been the same, but you weren't interpreting them (by feel) as hypos. This is a real problem for Type 1's, where insulin-induced hypos are very dangerous. >>Good post, particularly that last part. As a non-insulin >>using Type 2 my reactive hypos disappeared when I regularly [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >interpreting them (by feel) as hypos. This is a real problem for Type >1's, where insulin-induced hypos are very dangerous. Hi Alexander Nope. Almost every hypo I had, I tested with my meter. In the early days I would get symptoms (shakes, sweats, vertigo, balance problems, loss of limb control) but not the same (thank goodness) as a full type 1 hypo. Enough, particularly in the early days to scare the crap out of me. Particularly the time when it happened alone in the swimming pool. I was always very aware of hypos, even when they were mild. I did have a serious one a couple of years before I was diagnosed, when I woke on the floor of the bathroom after collapsing. But no-one diagnosed me at that time. As time went on the tests when hypo symptoms occurred were lower. Initially, anything under 4.5(82), later, I had no problems until I was under 4(72) and eventually I was fine until about 3.6(65). In nearly (but not all) cases the hypo was preceded by a high over 10(180) an hour or so prior. So, mainly reactive hypos. My last was on 7 nov 2004. That one followed a stressful weekend. I was on no diabetes meds, just lipitor, during that time. We really do have quite different afflictions. Unfortunately, that is IMO part of the reason why the ADA's good advice for type 1 becomes very flawed advice when applied to type 2. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:45:08 +1100, Alan S <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >>>Good post, particularly that last part. As a non-insulin >>>using Type 2 my reactive hypos disappeared when I regularly [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >vertigo, balance problems, loss of limb control) but not the >same (thank goodness) as a full type 1 hypo. What do you mean not the same as a full type 1 hypo? What you are describing is a full blown hypo. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. Enough, >particularly in the early days to scare the crap out of me. >Particularly the time when it happened alone in the swimming [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg >On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:45:08 +1100, Alan S ><loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following >into the madness of usenet: >>Nope. Almost every hypo I had, I tested with my meter. In >>the early days I would get symptoms (shakes, sweats, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >What do you mean not the same as a full type 1 hypo? What you are >describing is a full blown hypo. I'm not contradicting you on this, but I did experience basically the same symptoms when I first got my BG's below 100, and I'd get them whenever I hit the upper 90's, with very similar symptoms to what Alan describes, though I just had clumsiness in the limbs rather than loss of control, and I also had a feverish sensation at times. Mine were, I believe, false hypos (due to the BG level), so nowhere near as serious as what a T1 (or a T2 on insulin or beta stimulators) would get, due to being non life threatening? >>On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:45:08 +1100, Alan S >><loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > as what a T1 (or a T2 on insulin or beta stimulators) would get, due > to being non life threatening? I'm not sure of any "official" meaning of the term "false hypo", so everyone feel free to disagree with my comments. When I used to run very high (A1c over 10), my insulin regimen with Regular and Ultra Lente or Lente used to create many rapid drops in bg's , some of which would induce a full blown hypo feeling (shakiness, anxiety, mental confusion, vision disturbance, etc) even when my bg was above 160. The RATE that I was dropping was the common element, as I used to drop up to 100 points in 5 minutes, but I could feel hypo at 160+ even if I was dropping at a rate of 100 pts in 15-20 minutes. (Believe me, I had one HELL of a time on MDI--before the advent of "peakless insulin" and Humalog or Novolog). Anyway, the feelings during the drop was as severe as what I know experience on a pump when I slowly drift down to the 50's. In fact I don't EVER get the shakes anymore, even, below 45. To continue, due to my wild roller coaster ride, my anxiety level was continuously high and if I thought I was low, I'd get the shakes and other symptoms I mentioned above. THAT'S what I personally feel is a "false hypo"--a FEELING that one is hypo, even at a STEADY bg level. Funny what nerves can do! Now that I've been pumping for a decade, I don't panic for no reason; in fact I don't get too worked up when I'm in the 50's or high forties. Below that, I feel greater concern, but it's seldom that I get below the high forties. On MDI, I used to drop below 30, and very quickly. I even made it to near zero once, requiring a 911 call. So, again, I'm not about to argue the real definition of "false hypo", as I feel a legitimate series of physical and/or mental changes when falling quickly to a level above a "traditional" hypo, results from release of the same stress hormones that are present at much lower levels. The hormones cause increased heart rate, anxiety, etc. The low blood sugar effects the brain and if I'm not mistaken, causes muscle weakness, but that's one point I'm not clear on. I believe it's the lack of glucose in the muscles, rather than stress hormone production that creates that well known feeling of extreme weakness. Dave >>>On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:45:08 +1100, Alan S >>><loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> Huffed and Puffed the following [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >Dave I agree. As a T2 my experience wasn't as dramatic, but it still had similarities. If you look back at reports from newby type 2 posters here those symptoms are quite common as they encounter the "roller coaster" of highs followed by rapid drops in the initial stages of gaining control. It seems to be most severe on those who have been at high levels as an untreated or undiagnosed T2 for some time before starting to gain control - the body has got used to those much higher levels and reacts to a rapid drop even if the actual level is still well above 5(90). Maybe hypo or "false hypo" is the wrong term in that case - but the result is the same. The solution is to gain control for long enough for the body to get used to goof BGs. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >The solution is to gain control >for long enough for the body to get used to goof BGs. Um, I goofed. Read "good" :-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>The solution is to gain control >>for long enough for the body to get used to goof BGs. > >Um, I goofed. Read "good" :-) Maybe goofing is a symptom of goof BG's? :-) >I'm not sure of any "official" meaning of the term "false hypo", so >everyone feel free to disagree with my comments. >When I used to run very high (A1c over 10), my insulin regimen with >Regular and Ultra Lente or Lente used to create many rapid drops in bg's [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >drift down to the 50's. In fact I don't EVER get the shakes anymore, >even, below 45. Wow, 100 BG in five minutes!! That's one heck of a drop... I'm sure glad you found the pump, as that seems to work so much better for you then what you have recounted now and in the past about MDI. >To continue, due to my wild roller coaster ride, my anxiety level was >continuously high and if I thought I was low, I'd get the shakes and >other symptoms I mentioned above. THAT'S what I personally feel is a >"false hypo"--a FEELING that one is hypo, even at a STEADY bg level. >Funny what nerves can do! Hmmmm... Interesting. I've had a few false hyPERs, when I "felt" my BG going high, and the "symptoms" disappeared literally the second I got a meter reading (showing me I wasn't really high). I've since learned that I don't actually get symptoms from actual BG spikes, so it was indeed all in my head. My "false hypos" didn't seem to occur after a rapid drop, but rather when I slowly "bottomed out" and drifted under 100. However, after a week or so, I had no further trouble even at lower BG's. > My "false hypos" didn't seem to occur after a rapid drop, but rather > when I slowly "bottomed out" and drifted under 100. However, after a > week or so, I had no further trouble even at lower BG's. yup, that's pretty typical of getting one's bg's under better control. The downside to really tight control is that as time goes one, one's hypo awareness fades, making frequent bg monitoring a vital part of daily life. The more hypos you get the more difficult to detect them coming on. Also, if you run low all the time, you might possibly have no reserves of counteregulatory hormones to pull you out of a severe low, so eating is the only way (or an injection of Glucagon or an IV) to get your bg's up. during sleep, many DM's on insulin will get so low that they rebound to a high number (or at least wake up at a normal number in the morning) because of that CR response. They might have a splitting headache, as a result of too much time spent in a near hypo, or hypo condition. Dave >> My "false hypos" didn't seem to occur after a rapid drop, but rather >> when I slowly "bottomed out" and drifted under 100. However, after a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >hypo awareness fades, making frequent bg monitoring a vital part of >daily life. And that's why it's not a good idea for T1's to try for the BG levels T2's often set as goals... Too much of a risk of hypos, and hypo unawareness, if I recall correctly. >>> My "false hypos" didn't seem to occur after a rapid drop, but rather >>> when I slowly "bottomed out" and drifted under 100. However, after a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >T2's often set as goals... Too much of a risk of hypos, and hypo >unawareness, if I recall correctly. someone needs to do a little reading on hypounawareness and it's causes and it's resolutions. Good tight control is not the cause of it. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. >>>yup, that's pretty typical of getting one's bg's under better control. >>>The downside to really tight control is that as time goes one, one's [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >causes and it's resolutions. Good tight control is not the cause of >it. I sure can't argue that I need to do more reading on this, but where did I go wrong? Aren't frequent low BG's one of the causes of hypo unawareness? I know the diminishment in Glucogon secretion common in T-1's is one cause of the hypos, but not specifically hypo unawareness? As is mentioned many places, including the link below, One of the triggers for hypo unawareness is "a recent history of frequent low blood sugars". http://www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_control_tips/hypoglycemia_unawareness.php Isn't that part of the reason why T-1's are usually not advised to aim for an A1c target in the low 5's? Because the development of hypo unawareness is one of the concerns? (hypos being the other)? Thanks... >>>>yup, that's pretty typical of getting one's bg's under better control. >>>>The downside to really tight control is that as time goes one, one's [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Thanks... like I said, "good tight control" is not the cause of it. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. >>Hi Alexander >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >What do you mean not the same as a full type 1 hypo? What you are >describing is a full blown hypo. Hi Mack I was comparing them to the sort of hypos you, Guy and the other T1's talk about. I've only ever lost consciousness the one time, never had a trip to the ER. I was able to correct with fast carbs/glucose lollies but didn't need a shot or IV. So, they were hypos but not of the degree of severity that you occasionally suffer. I still carry jelly beans, but haven't had to use them for over a year. On the other hand, I'll never forget the effort it took to not do something physical when the dietician, answering me in front of a class I attended, said "type 2 on diet and exercise CANNOT have a hypo". I didn't even swear in my reply, although no-one was left in any doubt as to my opinion. That was the same dietician who was teaching me to eat 45-60 carbs per meal, every meal, plus 15-30gm snacks before I had discovered Jennifer's advice. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>>Hi Alexander >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >with fast carbs/glucose lollies but didn't need a shot or >IV. I didn't know you lost consciousness. I never had anything that serious. Yours do indeed sound like real hypos to me. [snip] > It would be really, really helpful to readers, particularly > newbies, if all posters noted at least their type in their > sig. > > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > d&e, metformin 2x500mg I would have to find room to say that my doctor hasn't told me what type I am but he prescribes T2 medicines. > [snip] >> It would be really, really helpful to readers, particularly [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I would have to find room to say that my doctor hasn't > told me what type I am but he prescribes T2 medicines. If they're working... you're a T2. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >>I would have to find room to say that my doctor hasn't >>told me what type I am but he prescribes T2 medicines. > > If they're working... you're a T2. > > Nicky. good point, Nicky. Dave > I am not stressed much, just a little , but I dont feel good, waaa. lol Poor Loretta! Hope you feel better soon. {{{{{Hugs}}}}} Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg This post not CC'd by email On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:51:42 -0500, Ronetta@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote: >So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is >dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Loretta G'day G'day Loretta, I wonder what people said the other nine times. Are questions like cats I wonder and on the tenth time the question expires? Infection have to fought. The weapons used by both sides are nasty. One of our defenses is to use white cells to engulf bacteria or cells containing viruses and nuke them. There is collateral damage. OK, nuke is a bit strong. The cells actually make free radicals. These are nasty disruptive entities like bullets from guns that kill things. Even our cellular policemen need guns that fire real bullets. The bad guys just don't get the idea they are meant to go quietly. Some free radicals escape like bullets from a shoot out and innocent bystanders take a bullet or two. Some innocent cells take a bullet or two because they are hiding a virus. Surrounding tissue gets inflamed. Hey, it's often ends up as riot. Stress has a quite different meaning medically than feeling stressed. One can be stressed without feeling. We all know when tissue get inflamed doctors sometimes prescribe prednisone. Ever wondered why prednisone works. It isn't a miracle. Promise. It fakes it. I fakes being one of our steroids called cortisol. Cortisol is part of the mop up brigade that get rid of the inflammation after the shoot out. We all know prednisone causes blood glucose levels to rise. Cortisol its natural cousin does the same thing. Is there is an answer. Well this is and it is chicken soup. Chicken soup works but only if you make it right. The key thing is to make it with chicken bones or stock made from real chicken bones. What is needed is the jelly stuff that comes out of the bone marrow called arginine. If it hasn't been made with chicken bones its a placebo. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin Quentin when I make chicken soup, I use quartered chicken and there are plenty of bones. I do make the best chicken soup, this side of the mississippi. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. This post not CC'd by email On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:35:50 -0500, Ronetta@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote: >Quentin when I make chicken soup, I use quartered chicken and there are >plenty of bones. I do make the best chicken soup, this side of the >mississippi. > >Loretta G'day G'day Loretta, Figured since you're genuine so would the soup be. FWIIW, I'm wondering about those poor folks on the other side of the Mississippi. Would all the soluble fibre from okra in the jambalaya improve the chicken soup? Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin Well, although I do not feel better today and maybe a little worse, I started an antibotic yesterday, I am happy to say I woke with 100 this morning. Thanks everyone for your advice and your good wishes, I really appreciate the outpouring I receive from this group. You are all suck wonderful people. I am lucky to have found you. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Sorry missed your 9 earlier posts. I sure hope you get over this irritation fast. Allow me to suggest a very traditional Indian (i.e. Native Indian) medicine. It works like a magic on me and my family. Boil a spoon full of turmeric powder and half a teaspoon of salt in a glass off water. Let it cool down till its look warm or may be bit warmer. Gargle with this water at least three times a day. If after two days you still are feeling miserable you need a different treatment. The reason why it works is that turmeric is a natural antibiotics and is quite mild. Most often we don't need any stronger dose! You don't have any thing to loose by trying! Hard part is to accept the bitter taste. But for diabetes, that is one thing we know how to control! Wishing you a speedy recovery indeed! Anil 150 is nothing!!!!! You are sick, get rest and stop stressing about your number. If you are over 200 than a little bit of concern, over 250 than a lot, over 300 than hit the panick button, but for only 150????? you are fine ..... > So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is > dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Hi Loretta. I don't know how an infection would affect your glucose readings, but it is normal for infections to make people more insulin resistant, and the insulin resistance would raise you glucose level. Russ Farris http://www.potbellysyndrome.com > So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is > dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > just tell me these higher numbers are normal in a person with an > infection. maybe you shouldn't put up webpages that you know nothing about. for one, not every t2 diabetic has high cortisol. secondly, heart disease often is a RESULT of substained high glucose for long periods of time. third.. you mention cortisol.. um, that's is a natural form of glucose in the body, thus raising the glucose reading of a person.. fourth.. go back to the top. ---- RK - Animas IR1250 pumper ... having fun with autoimmune diseases NOT! dx 5/00 - last a1c 6.3 | Hi Loretta. I don't know how an infection would affect your glucose | readings, but it is normal for infections to make people more insulin [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] | http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups | ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- >maybe you shouldn't put up webpages that you >know nothing about. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >... having fun with autoimmune diseases NOT! >dx 5/00 - last a1c 6.3 Hi RK I have to admit he's a trier - he's the first of this type that I've seen admit the possibility of errors. You could post all that in http://www.potbellysyndrome.com/index_003.htm In the meantime I'll put more faith in AFDB. My problem is that I keep forgetting whether it's shiny side out or in. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. This post not CC'd by email >maybe you shouldn't put up webpages that you >know nothing about. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >fourth.. go back to the top. G'day G'day RK, ROTFL. IMHO it seems likely that Russell and/or his coauthor know something about cortisol. What is absolutely certain is that they know more than you do. Cortisol is natural. You got that bit right. >third.. you mention cortisol.. um, that's is a natural >form of glucose in the body, thus raising the glucose >reading of a person.. Cortisol is NOT a form of glucose. I am at a loss to explain how you could have acquired such a whacko idea. If it is a cut and paste from some part of their website and I have missed it then let me apologize immediately and unreservedly. The problem is when I read their website I find they have put forward a cogent explanation that suggests they know what they are talking about well enough to argue their case reasonably. Their explanation isn't the only explanation of the development of T2 diabetes by any means. It is not the current mainstream view and that needs someone to state it. Frankly I don't mind if it is you, them, myself or someone else. It simply needs stating and it needs stating without a lot of angst. Their hypothesis does rather hinge on a certain similarity to what is now accepted as the current hypothesis explaining the formation of ulcers. In this case the common causative agent is Chlamydophila pneumoniae (CPN) whereas in the case of stomach ulcers it is H. pylori. Anyone looking at the website you mention will realise Russell Farris and Per Mårin, M.D., Ph.D. have written a book called "The Potbelly Syndrome" It isn't clear to me what Russell Farris' qualifications are or whether he has any. Perhaps he was the writer while Per Marin provided the technical knowledge. I'm sure Russell will be able to clarify that point. >for one, not every t2 diabetic has high cortisol. How do you know this? I'm sure you can find one. On the other hand I frequently see behaviour here that suggests the posters are angry or otherwise stressed. Anyone putting forward a general hypothesis must deal in generalities so singular exceptions don't invalidate their hypothesis. >secondly, heart disease often is a RESULT of >substained high glucose for long periods of time. Web sites promoting a book are of commercial necessity something less detailed than the book they are promoting. Even so the website does give a basic outline of how the stress hormone cortisol COULD lead to elevated blood glucose via provoking insulin resistance. Most people here are aware that elevated levels of blood glucose even those below those leading to a frank diagnosis of T2 diabetes are associated with increased risk of heart attacks. If one look at the pyramid on the website then one can easily see that the authors recognise which comes first, increased risk or outright T2 diabetes. Reisa, you might like to reconsider your desired goal here. You might consider that Russell is spamming and that his post is made with the sole purpose of drumming up support for his book sales. In that I would have no difficulty in agreeing with you. You might also consider that if Russell is spamming then it doesn't matter much what you say, so long as you drive him away. If this is how you see it then I am bound to say I don't agree. Cortisol is not a natural form of glucose. It's a hormone playing an essential role in the stress response. Frankly I'd like you to consider who is creating a greater risk for the reputation of asd: Russell when he posts some information which one can say with some certainty has been run past at least one M.D or you firing as usual from the hip. Best wishes. PS people do NOT shake palms to get down the coconuts as you have suggested in a previous post; not if they want a long life. SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > maybe you shouldn't put up webpages that you > know nothing about. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ---- > RK - Animas IR1250 pumper Cortisol is NOT a form of glucose! Do you EVER post anything that's accurate?? Too bad you couldn't be barred from posting after the 11th million factual error you've posted... Dave Sorry to hear you're sick, Loretta, but this is a perfect time to watch Turner Class Movies and order take-out. Yep. Illness raises blood sugar. > So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is > dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. >So, I now have a cough, Nothing horrific but for me, the hypo, it is >dramatic. I woke up this morning with 123. I was up every hour on the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >just tell me these higher numbers are normal in a person with an >infection. Loretta, all I can say is that when I had a cold, both my BG's and IR went up. Also, when I was Dx'd I had a massive infection, and my BG's coming down roughly paralleled the infection healing. Take care, and get well soon!! |
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