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David - 30 Jan 2006 21:43 GMT
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060130/hl_nm/usa_dc

Interesting.  I tried to get one of my endos to be my PCP but he refused
due to the increased workload.  I wasn't happy about it, but that's
life!  He subsequently stopped taking my insurance and I had to switch
endos anyway so it became a moot point anyway.

Dave
Anon - 30 Jan 2006 22:17 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean by a PCP. Why would you need to designate one
doctor as a PCP? I go to my endo for diabetes, a  Rheumatologist for my bad
back and a GP if I have general problems like the flu.

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060130/hl_nm/usa_dc
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> Dave
>^;^<  Great-Granny Grayfur - 30 Jan 2006 23:09 GMT
Some insurances require it.  Going to specialist must be referred from a PCP.
Billie in AR

: I'm not sure what you mean by a PCP. Why would you need to designate one
: doctor as a PCP? I go to my endo for diabetes, a  Rheumatologist for my bad
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: > Dave
David - 30 Jan 2006 23:24 GMT
>^;^< Great-Granny Grayfur wrote:

> Some insurances require it.  Going to specialist must be referred from a PCP.
> Billie in AR
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> : > Dave

I guess I didn't make myself clear.  the doctor also was a PCP to some
of his patients but he refused to take on any more patients other than
as a specialist.  It had nothing to do with the insurance at that time;
just him not wanting to increase his workload.  He was so lazy he
refused to fill out an letters of necessity!  Imagine an endo refusing
to do that!

dave
>^;^<  Great-Granny Grayfur - 31 Jan 2006 00:26 GMT
I'm sorry Dave.  I was looking at Anon's comments not being sure what was meant by a PCP.  I
understood yours.  It was I that didn't make myself clear.  This is one reason I back off from
participating because with my mental confusion now, I often have trouble putting into print what
I am thinking in my head.  Hope you all will have patience with me.  I'm sure the more I
participate, the better I'll get; it'll be good for me mentally, hopefully to slow down the
atrophy and dementia.
Billie

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: dave
David - 31 Jan 2006 00:30 GMT
>^;^< Great-Granny Grayfur wrote:

> I'm sorry Dave.  I was looking at Anon's comments not being sure what was meant by a PCP.  I
> understood yours.  It was I that didn't make myself clear.  This is one reason I back off from
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> : dave

Hey, I make mistakes EVERY day when stringing my words together.  I do
worse in print than I do verbally.  also, I hate typing, so I tend to
write tersely.  In RL, I'm more "chatty"! :)

dave
Ma¢k - 31 Jan 2006 00:46 GMT
>I'm not sure what you mean by a PCP. Why would you need to designate one
>doctor as a PCP? I go to my endo for diabetes, a  Rheumatologist for my bad
>back and a GP if I have general problems like the flu.

PCP primary care physical aka GP in most cases where insurance limits
access.

Luckily my PCP is my endo and my insurance has no problem paying for
the access.

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Ma¢k - 31 Jan 2006 03:24 GMT
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:46:18 -0500, Ma¢k
<stopthespam@shootspammers.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into
the madness of usenet:

>>I'm not sure what you mean by a PCP. Why would you need to designate one
>>doctor as a PCP? I go to my endo for diabetes, a  Rheumatologist for my bad
>>back and a GP if I have general problems like the flu.
>
>PCP primary care physical

stupid spell checker: that should physician not physical.

>aka GP in most cases where insurance limits
>access.
>
>Luckily my PCP is my endo and my insurance has no problem paying for
>the access.

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Type 1 since 1975
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http://www.diabetic-talk.org
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
...Theodore Roosevelt

        (o o)  
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."

Jesus never hated anyone.

Hi_Therre - 31 Jan 2006 12:55 GMT
>I'm not sure what you mean by a PCP. Why would you need to designate one
>doctor as a PCP? I go to my endo for diabetes, a  Rheumatologist for my bad
>back and a GP if I have general problems like the flu.

Here is what doctors income's look like
http://www.physicianssearch.com/physician/salary2.html
http://www.intlmedicalplacement.com/news.php3?catID=13
The median 2003 taxable income for primary care doctors was $156,902.
That includes internists, pediatricians, and family doctors who do not
practice obstetrics. All 3 groups have incomes that are close to the
overall median figure.

The median for all specialists was just under $300,000, but that
encompasses a range of $162,572 for psychiatrists to $410,272 for
invasive cardiologists. The only other specialty earning less than
$200,000 was neurology, with a median figure of $190,973.

Liability costs are less that what is claimed, see below
http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=241
The most recent results, published in Physician Socioeconomic
Statistics 2003, are hard to square with the AMA's public claims. The
median malpractice premium was $11,000, quite far from the $200,000
figure on the AMA's website. $200,000, as it turns out, was the median
income.

Of course, the AMA's website isn't talking about doctors in general.
It's talking about doctors "in some high-risk specialties."
Fortunately, the AMA survey breaks income and premiums down across
several medical specialties.

Specialty    Median Premium   Median Income
General/Family Practice    $8,000        $140,000
Internal Medicine    $9,000        $180,000
Surgery                             $20,000        $250,000
Pediatrics                $7,000        $142,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology    $35,000     $225,000
Radiology                $12,000        $350,000
Psychiatry                $4,000        $120,000
Anesthesiology                $12,000        $270,000
Pathology                $7,000        $275,000
Other                             $7,000        $200,000
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Chris J. - 31 Jan 2006 18:47 GMT
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060130/hl_nm/usa_dc
>
>Interesting.  I tried to get one of my endos to be my PCP but he refused
>due to the increased workload.  I wasn't happy about it, but that's
>life!  He subsequently stopped taking my insurance and I had to switch
>endos anyway so it became a moot point anyway.

Thanks for that article.. My favorite quote from it is this one:

"Medicare will pay tens of thousands of dollars ... for a limb
amputation on a diabetic patient, but virtually nothing to the primary
care physician for keeping the patient's diabetes under control,"
David - 31 Jan 2006 18:53 GMT
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060130/hl_nm/usa_dc
>>
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> amputation on a diabetic patient, but virtually nothing to the primary
> care physician for keeping the patient's diabetes under control,"

Medicare is staffed by bureaucrats, so what can you expect, Chris,
logic??  :)

dave
Chris J. - 01 Feb 2006 00:15 GMT
>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060130/hl_nm/usa_dc
>>>
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>Medicare is staffed by bureaucrats, so what can you expect, Chris,
>logic??  :)

How very, very true....
guy - 01 Feb 2006 00:57 GMT
>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060130/hl_nm/usa_dc
>>>>
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>How very, very true..

When I was young, a doctor was prohibited from advertising,  He
could show a prescribed sign at his office.

HOwever I still feel I received better care than I have received
in recent times.

My impression may be warped and wrong, but I feel most
visits now make  me fell I am a production line product.

Of course the product they are trying to patch up is
deteriorated a lot.

There are a lot of excesses and mother nature will
bring them into line.  I prefer a good "professional"
to a businessman with all of the show trappings.

A sign of the times is the high percentage of commercial
advertising  about  medical related items.

Guess I am a bitchy old man that does not
understand.
                                        Guy
Anon - 31 Jan 2006 20:51 GMT
That quote is not accurate. I see an endo about 5 times a year, primarily to
keep my diabetes under control. Medicare pays their allowable on every
visit. At my last endo visit Medicare paid $84.08 for the 15 minute office
visit. They also paid $46.08 for blood draw and tests. Medicare also would
pay for testing supplies if I wanted them to. I would have owed $16.82 but
in I have Tricare which paid this part.

> Thanks for that article.. My favorite quote from it is this one:
>
> "Medicare will pay tens of thousands of dollars ... for a limb
> amputation on a diabetic patient, but virtually nothing to the primary
> care physician for keeping the patient's diabetes under control,"
David - 31 Jan 2006 20:52 GMT
> That quote is not accurate. I see an endo about 5 times a year, primarily to
> keep my diabetes under control. Medicare pays their allowable on every
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>>amputation on a diabetic patient, but virtually nothing to the primary
>>care physician for keeping the patient's diabetes under control,"

Maybe $84 is considered "virtually nothing"? :)

dave
Anon - 31 Jan 2006 21:34 GMT
Maybe it is considered virtually nothing but it is the same fee the doctor
would receive from any major medical insurance for the same visit. They all
use  the regionally adjusted CPT Code Value published by the AMA.

My office visit was CPT code 99214. If you look that up on the AMA site at
(  https://catalog.ama-assn.org/Catalog/cpt/cpt_search.jsp ) entering
"California" and "Rest of California", you will find the fee schedule is
$84.08, that is exactly what Medicare paid.

Anon

>> That quote is not accurate. I see an endo about 5 times a year, primarily
>> to keep my diabetes under control. Medicare pays their allowable on every
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> dave
W. Baker - 01 Feb 2006 21:08 GMT
: That quote is not accurate. I see an endo about 5 times a year, primarily to
: keep my diabetes under control. Medicare pays their allowable on every
: visit. At my last endo visit Medicare paid $84.08 for the 15 minute office
: visit. They also paid $46.08 for blood draw and tests. Medicare also would
: pay for testing supplies if I wanted them to. I would have owed $16.82 but
: in I have Tricare which paid this part.

: > Thanks for that article.. My favorite quote from it is this one:
: >
: > "Medicare will pay tens of thousands of dollars ... for a limb
: > amputation on a diabetic patient, but virtually nothing to the primary
: > care physician for keeping the patient's diabetes under control,"

I woudl agree here tht Medicare pays for preventive care.  Not only do I
get my testing suplies for nothing ( as my secondayr pays the 20% co-pay,
but I have half hour visits and blood work=ups 4 times a year with no
argument from Medicare.  

The plan I had before retirement was far less generous, paing the doctore
about $30 a visit and we paid a copay of $10.  Needles to say, we had a
very small choice of doctors.  This is the kind of thing tht can drive
diabetics to amputation!!

Wendy
>^;^<  Great-Granny Grayfur - 02 Feb 2006 08:55 GMT
Wendy, we will have much better coverage once we no longer have our private insurance after
March, when we will then have Medicare and TriCare.

Anon, we have heard the same good things about the combo of Medicare and TriCare for Live from
other retirees here in our area.  I'll be glad when I can start benefiting from that monthly
Part B payment that comes out of my disability check each month!  It is third in line right now,
and there is never anything to come out of it after private and TriCare, and I do have to say
that TriCare seems to be better nowadays with their payments than the old CHAMPUS!
Billie in AR

:: That quote is not accurate. I see an endo about 5 times a year, primarily to
:: keep my diabetes under control. Medicare pays their allowable on every
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: Wendy
 
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