http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4653676.stm
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B3697D5D5-4BD1-49B2-8C5A-492CC1
F99567%7D&siteid=google
I guess it's ok to give it a try if you don't mind getting asthma, or
making existing breathing problems worse, and you are afraid of the tiny
syringes now used to administer insulin. If you smoke, you'll get a
bigger hit from the insulin. That's one way to cure smoking: put
someone into an insulin induced coma!! I love it!
Instead of carry Mace one will be able to defend themselves with a
canister of insulin. How long before we read about a bank robber who
threatens the teller with insulin?
The second article refers to taking insulin shots as "cumbersome and
painful". Give me a frickin' break! How painful are those tiny
needles? I hurt myself worse locking my watch band on my wrist if it
catches a few hairs.
Exubera?? sounds like an antidepressant.
Guess what. Retraction time:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B3697D5D5-4BD1-49B2-8C5A-492CC1
F99567%7D&siteid=google&dist=
so now it's a no go?? Pfizer lies. what else is new
Dave
Jenny - 27 Jan 2006 19:51 GMT
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> Dave
It gets even weirder. Last week my partner got an invitation in the
mail addressed to his full name offering him the chance to participate
in a study of inhaled insulin.
Only thing, is, he's not and never has been diabetic. Are they just
randomly mailing?
--Jenny
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David - 27 Jan 2006 20:05 GMT
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> --Jenny
That IS weirder, Jenny.
Dave
Ma¢k - 27 Jan 2006 21:12 GMT
>It gets even weirder. Last week my partner got an invitation in the
>mail addressed to his full name offering him the chance to participate
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>--Jenny
>http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u Diabetes Info
kinda reminds me of a few law and order episodes I've watched where
the drug company randomly mails out samples of their drugs.
Maybe their marketing guys were watching the same shows.

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Anon - 27 Jan 2006 20:53 GMT
I have always heard cocaine use may cause damaging or perforating the
septum, the thin membrane that separates the nostrils at the top of the
nose. Regular coke snorters often suffer instant nosebleeds when snorting
the drug. Occasional users may detect next-day bloodied mucus and
congestion. Heavy users have their septum's dissolved by corrosive effects
of cocaine.
Would a regular inhaled insulin user face the same problems?
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David - 27 Jan 2006 21:10 GMT
> I have always heard cocaine use may cause damaging or perforating the
> septum, the thin membrane that separates the nostrils at the top of the
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> Would a regular inhaled insulin user face the same problems?
I'm not sure, but then again I'm not convinced it's a good idea to
inhale insulin, either. I'll stick with my pump.
For those who are adventuresome, offer up your one and only bod as a
science experiment. but you'll have to wait: the FDA approval was a sham.
(I was directing my comments to the group--not to you personally)
Dave
Ma¢k - 27 Jan 2006 21:14 GMT
>I have always heard cocaine use may cause damaging or perforating the
>septum, the thin membrane that separates the nostrils at the top of the
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>Would a regular inhaled insulin user face the same problems?
could an ex-cocaine inhaler use inhaled insulin?

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Charles - 27 Jan 2006 23:47 GMT
Back in my younger days I would get an urge to smoke but was never able
to inhale it and this happened when I was out drinking. I seriously that I
would
want to inhale insulin. The one shot a day they mention must be Lantus ? I
know a T-2
that has to get the 1cc syringes to take care of his 70/30 twice a day. I
would have to
see a lot of satisfied customers to even think about it. I haven't heard
the cost mentioned
yet, but if you have to ask you can't afford it as a general rule.
Charlie
> >I have always heard cocaine use may cause damaging or perforating the
> >septum, the thin membrane that separates the nostrils at the top of the
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> Jesus never hated anyone.
Ozgirl - 28 Jan 2006 00:58 GMT
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/522369?sssdmh=dm1.179255&src=nldne
Pfizer Wins European Approval for Inhaled Insulin
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) Jan 26 - Pfizer Inc. on Thursday said
European regulators approved its inhaled insulin treatment
for diabetes. Exubera is the first non-injectable, inhalable
form of insulin to be approved since the discovery of
insulin in the 1920s, Pfizer said.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is slated to make its
decision on the product by Friday.
Exubera was approved for use in adult type 2 diabetics who
are no longer responding to oral drugs and in type 1
diabetics in combination with long-acting injected insulin.
Several other companies are developing inhaled insulin
products, including Eli Lilly & Co. and Alkermes Inc., which
are partners in one project, and Mannkind Corp, Kos
Pharmaceuticals Inc. and Novo Nordisk.
Chris J. - 28 Jan 2006 01:01 GMT
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>needles? I hurt myself worse locking my watch band on my wrist if it
>catches a few hairs.
Speaking of cumbersome, have you actually seen applicator? It's huge!
http://www.runsweet.com/90026.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*
I also note that they don't seem to show pictures of it much, and
that's the only one I have seen. No wonder, as it looks about as
cumbersome as an oxygen tank.
Given the apparent variability of it, plus the dosing restrictions
(only 1 and 3 mg insulin blister packs) It sounds like it would be a
PITA to use. It also won't replace the basal, just the bolus, so it
would only avoid some shots.
There is also the open question of what will long-term use do to lung
tissues.
Sarah - 28 Jan 2006 05:06 GMT
> Speaking of cumbersome, have you actually seen applicator? It's huge!
> http://www.runsweet.com/90026.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*
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> There is also the open question of what will long-term use do to lung
> tissues.
What makes it look so huge is the holding chamber. Asthma inhalers sometimes
use a similar holding chamber. The holding chamber keeps the medication
from escaping into the air. Releasing the medication into the chamber gives
you time to inhale more slowly. It decreases the amount of medicine that's
deposited on the back of the throat and increases the amount that reaches
the lungs.
It is hard for me to believe that accurately measured amounts of insulin can
be administered with these inhalers.
Sarah
David - 28 Jan 2006 17:06 GMT
> It is hard for me to believe that accurately measured amounts of insulin can
> be administered with these inhalers.
>
> Sarah
If asthma inhalers are any guide, the amounts WON'T be accurate! :)
dave
DaveT - 28 Jan 2006 19:38 GMT
> > It is hard for me to believe that accurately measured amounts of insulin can
> > be administered with these inhalers.
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> dave
I think it is more comparable to a nebulizer than an inhaler, have you seen
the size of these insulin inhalers?
IMO these inhalers are about as much use as a chocolate fire guard, made for
the shareholders not diabetics.

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W. Baker - 28 Jan 2006 21:34 GMT
: > Speaking of cumbersome, have you actually seen applicator? It's huge!
: > http://www.runsweet.com/90026.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*
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: deposited on the back of the throat and increases the amount that reaches
: the lungs.
: It is hard for me to believe that accurately measured amounts of insulin can
: be administered with these inhalers.
: Sarah
From reading the MNYTimes article, I get the idea that they are aiming it
primarily for uncontrolled type 2's who amy well not be on a basal and
need insulin to get better control and are afraid fo needles. YOu know ,
all those non-compliant ones who don't test becasue they don' liek finger
sticks and who don't control their food. After redaign the articles in
the MYTimes a few weeks ago about the diabetes situation in my beloved
city, I woudl imagine thaat there are many peole out there who may well be
willing to start on insulin with this method.
Wendy
George H. - 19 Feb 2006 08:32 GMT
I tend to agree Dave.
The known and unknown potential risks (http://www.exubera-risks.com/)
of using Exubera seem to make folks who use it guinea pigs, since the
data appears to be for a relatively short period. Will those using
inhaled insulin suffer respiratory problems in 5, 10, or 20 years
related to using it? The data seems inconclusive on this point.
Also, right after the FDA approved the drug that taking Exubera does
not mean that diabetics would suddenly be free of injections. Folks
taking Lantus, NPH, and simliar long-acting insulins, they note, would
still have to keep up their regular injections of the drug. Exubera is
a short-acting insulin, it doesn't hang around in the background 24/7
to continue a steady basal rate of delivery that Type 1 folks need.
(See:
http://www.exubera-risks.com/2006/02/08/diabetes-doctors-detail-limits-of-inhale
d-insulin-exubera/)
Nor does Exubera mean that folks will have to stop poking their fingers
regularly during the day to check their blood sugars. That would be
foolish, risky, and just plain dumb. To send a message to newly
diagnosed diabetics that they don't need to worry about finger sticks
is bad.
What the FDA and EU's approval does suggest, howoever, is that Pfizer
and Nektar Therapeutics (the company that made the inhaler delivery
system for Exubera), stand to profit enormously from the sale of a drug
that some predict will cost up to 3 times as much as regular injectable
insulin. That is a win for the drugmakers, but patients and their
insurance companies may ultimately bear the increased costs associated
with the drug.
George
David - 19 Feb 2006 16:58 GMT
> I tend to agree Dave.
> The known and unknown potential risks (http://www.exubera-risks.com/)
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> George
I just read in the newspaper that Nektar is in the process of making
version 2 of Exubera already! John Patton still insists Exubera won't
cause asthma. Time will tell if he's correct, but for now I'm figuring
it will, as there are already reports of it it test subjects.
Dave