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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2006America attacked and Bush does nothing
Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and the state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do anything - nothing. Wonder what part of the job of President does Bush intend to do? Wasn't defend the borders one of his responsibilities. The more Bush remains the more it looks like the repugs elected the most incompetent a.shole possible. This has to be another first. The first crossing of our borders by a hostile military force since when? The last time Mexico did it? What a laugh. The Piece of sh.t President is not even protecting our borders from the armed forces of a foreign country and the stupid repugs feel more secure - what a laugh. Must be that creationist 'god' barrier they are depending on. What a laugh. A friend of mine at Fort Hood said the first they heard of it was on CNN. That really says a bunch about Bush's Homeland security department. It took a bunch of local cops to turn them back - what a laugh. I wonder, maybe some of the drivers have a whitehouse pass or photos of the president and them shaking hands. Gee, this week has been a tough one for the repugs. E-mails proving Bush Knew New Orleans was going to flood while his face is caught saying nobody knew. Photos of Abramoff and Bush while the dumbshit puts on his best Alfred E. Newman look and says "Abramoff who?" Mean while The Iranians are building nukes, North Korea already has a bunch, and a new study by the repug pentagon says the Army is going to break if the Iraq war continue for much longer. That means either Bush will have to "Cut and Run" like he likes to pin on democrats or start a draft. I sure hope it's a draft. I can't wait to hear the crying from the repugs when their a.s or their children's has to go to a worthless war. But, given the Bush dislike of wars that draft the sons of his contributors I'll bet it's "Cut and Run" he will choose but the repugs will call it 'advancing to the rear'. What a laugh Gee, looks like the Plame investigation is expanding to the reasons for the Iraqi war and the Abramsoff investigation has barely started. The stonewalling of the Katrina investigation seems to be pissing off even some repugs and promises to be a good read in the future. All in All, a wonderful week. Only way to top this off would be a world wide Kool Aid sponsored rapture event. Hell I'd contribute enough to pay for some body bags or ('personal god vehicles') PGV's as I like to think of them. snippage Chief, I'm surprised by your adding political rhetoric to this DM NG. As much as I've enjoyed conversing with you in the past, rest assured you will be added to my KF. (Not that you probably care, but I like to inform plonkees so that they don't waste time responding to me in the future). I consider giving notice a courtesy. Sorry you've decided to post such drivel on this NG. take care. Dave > snippage > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > future). I consider giving notice a courtesy. Sorry you've decided to > post such drivel on this NG. take care. I'm assuming it was intended to be posted to another group. Wild Monkshood > Dave >> snippage >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >> Dave I'm hoping that's the case! I'd miss him, but then again... Dave > I'm assuming it was intended to be posted to another group. > >Wild Monkshood I wondered the same thing, or at the very least why it doesn't have the handy dandy little "OT - " in the front of the subject line. OTOH, as soon as I read it I wanted to shout out, "RIGHT ON CHIEF!!"  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 24, 2006 is 2,237. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >> snippage >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >> Dave Yes - sorry. My brother and I mess with each other in another news group - I try to pull his chain when I can. David <David@invalid.com> wrote in news:vs-dnb6j- LfFMErenZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@comcast.com: > snippage > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dave It was meant to another - sorry. > Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and the > state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do anything - > nothing. These were not Mexican soldiers," Aguilar told a news conference. "It is known that these are drug traffickers using military uniforms and they were not even regulation military uniforms" http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/01/25/mexico.border.ap/index.html SignatureJoe W T2 Nov '05 30mg Actos,3gr Cinnamon, Diet(100 carbs) & 3 mile walk(everyday) & BowFlex(3x a week) *****Diabetes, be proactive, not reactive.***** If we impeach George Bush, who will replace him? Vice-President Dick Chaney will replace him. Think before you speak! That will solve all you Bush bashers problems won't it. >> Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and >> the state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/01/25/mexico.border.ap/index.html PLONK for responding to OT drivel. this belongs in a different NG. So do you. Gawd, I love filters! Dave > PLONK for responding to OT drivel. this belongs in a different NG. So do > you. Gawd, I love filters! > > Dave Did you PLONK yourself for replying too? ROFL! SignatureJoe W T2 Nov '05 30mg Actos,3gr Cinnamon, Diet(100 carbs) & 3 mile walk(everyday) & BowFlex(3x a week) *****Diabetes, be proactive, not reactive.***** If we impeach George Bush, who will replace him? Vice-President Dick Chaney will replace him. That will make the Bush-bashers happy. >> PLONK for responding to OT drivel. this belongs in a different NG. So do >> you. Gawd, I love filters! >> >> Dave > >Did you PLONK yourself for replying too? ROFL! Joe, David thinks the "PLONK" is a club that you can use on anyone he wants. Of course there is no real way to know whether he really puts anyone in his KF. When it comes right down to it, who really cares? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 24, 2006 is 2,237. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >>> Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and >>> the state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Dave I'm really sorry. I thought this was going elsewhere. > I'm really sorry. I thought this was going elsewhere. Glad to hear it was just an error! I'd miss seeing your posts here that don't contain the political "stuff". (I'm trying to not comment on the content, other than it's inappropriate for this NG). I didn't KF earlier after reading what Wild said about your post going to the wrong NG. Good to have you around, Gene...er...Chief! :) Dave >> I'm really sorry. I thought this was going elsewhere. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dave Good to be around. I agree the group is good as it is and needs no spicy sauce to raise the Bg or the dander. Hey, a question about insulin. I read the normal paperwork that came with the two insulins but didn't see much to worry about. For side effects it mentions inject site problems but for the rest it pretty much lists just hypos as the major side effect. Do you know of any others? The reason I asked is that I have become very forgetful lately. Stupid things like missing the 24 hour injection more often than not. That's not like me. >Hey, a question about insulin. I read the normal paperwork that came with >the two insulins but didn't see much to worry about. For side effects it >mentions inject site problems but for the rest it pretty much lists just >hypos as the major side effect. Do you know of any others? The reason I >asked is that I have become very forgetful lately. Stupid things like >missing the 24 hour injection more often than not. That's not like me. Chief, are you on statins by any chance? Those are known to have that side effect in some cases. > Chief, are you on statins by any chance? Those are known to have that > side effect in some cases. Yes, the VA doc put me on simvastatin. I'm tossing that junk out today if I can remember:) Thnks for mentioning that. >> Chief, are you on statins by any chance? Those are known to have that >> side effect in some cases. > >Yes, the VA doc put me on simvastatin. I'm tossing that junk out today if I >can remember:) Thnks for mentioning that. Whoa! Please let some of the more knowledgable here weigh in, or better yet a doc. However, Statins have a plethora of side effects, and not all are in the prescribing information. Simvastatin (Zocor), for example, is known to cause tendinitis and joint problems, and that is not in it's prescribing information (same for mental effects). Simvastatin binds to human plasma proteins, and does cross the blood-brain barrier. Just in case your Doc or pharmacist did not give you the prescribing information, it's here: http://www.zocor.com/simvastatin/zocor/consumer/product_information/pi/index.jsp I note with interest that the only brain/psychological item they list in the study is "headache". I found this set of user experiences interesting: http://www.medications.com/go/se/Zocor I've done a little research on statins in the past, due to my Mother being on them and having mental foggyness. She tried two different statins, and had no better results, so stopped taking them. Since that time, her mental situation has cleared. >>> Chief, are you on statins by any chance? Those are known to have >>> that side effect in some cases. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > statins, and had no better results, so stopped taking them. Since that > time, her mental situation has cleared. Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. I was going to wait before taking the pills he gave me until I saw the endo but went ahead after reading the propaganda at the Zocor site. So I think waiting a couple weeks until I see my diabetes doc can't hurt and might be the best thing to do anyway. Don't worry. I'm not a 'fly by the seat of your pants' type of guy. >Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it >wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. Which begs the question, WHY did he prescribe it? > I was going to wait before >taking the pills he gave me until I saw the endo but went ahead after >reading the propaganda at the Zocor site. So I think waiting a couple >weeks until I see my diabetes doc can't hurt and might be the best thing >to do anyway. My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many horror stories about side effects, some permanent. >>Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it >>wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. > > Which begs the question, WHY did he prescribe it? So he can eat ice cream. didn't your momma teach you anything, Chris?? Dave >>Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it >>wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. > > Which begs the question, WHY did he prescribe it? A suggestion: when an off-topic thread strays back ON topic, not only remove the OT, change the subject line. SignatureWes Groleau ---- The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson >>>Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it >>>wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >A suggestion: when an off-topic thread strays back ON topic, >not only remove the OT, change the subject line. Thanks, Wes.. Good point!!! I guess thread drift doesn't just run through ASD, it gallops... :-) >>>Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it >>>wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >A suggestion: when an off-topic thread strays back ON topic, >not only remove the OT, change the subject line. Did you know, Wes, that C.S. Lewis said he never read newspapers... they were too much of a distaction from what was really important! Will, T2 > On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:38:10 GMT, Wes Groleau >>A suggestion: when an off-topic thread strays back ON topic, >>not only remove the OT, change the subject line. > > Did you know, Wes, that C.S. Lewis said he never read newspapers... > they were too much of a distaction from what was really important! I didn't know that, but he's right. :-) SignatureWes Groleau Truth often suffers more from the heat of its defenders than from the arguments of its opposers. -- William Penn > My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many > horror stories about side effects, some permanent. Mine's trying to do that to me, too, even though my cholesterol levels are fine. Grrr. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >> My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many >> horror stories about side effects, some permanent. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Nicky. What is you cholesterol level Nicky? Will, T2 >>> My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many >>> horror stories about side effects, some permanent. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What is you cholesterol level Nicky? These are results from July - I've had another set that were not so good, but still very healthy, but I've filed them somewhere! It was in any case after these results that the doc wanted me to go on a statin. I wish they'd look on test strips as a preventative, and leave my head alone! Total chol..3.81 mmol/l.........147 Trig........0.78..... [.3-1.7]...69 HDL.........1.29......[1.3-2]....50 LDL.........2.16.................83 Trigs/HDL....0.6...............1.38 Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >>>> My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many >>>> horror stories about side effects, some permanent. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Nicky. Well, Nicky, I am no doctor, but your results look fine to me. I have read somewhere, though, that some doctors are pushing their patients to get total cholesterol down to 120, or so.... Also, the relative balance of all the factors is important. You might want to get a second opinion, if you have doubts. I know a lot of people who have had problems with statins. Will, T2 >>>>> My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many >>>>> horror stories about side effects, some permanent. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Will, T2 Fine? To me they look bloody brilliant. I have to use a statin (lipitor20mg) to get my LDL into the good area but the rest are similar. Why any doctor would suggest a statin for those numbers is beyond me - particularly when the trig/HDL ratio is so good. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > These are results from July - I've had another set that were not so good, > but still very healthy, but I've filed them somewhere! It was in any case [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > LDL.........2.16.................83 > Trigs/HDL....0.6...............1.38 Welcome to the New World! Your LDL levels were fine...last year. My LDL levels were fine...last year. Now they aren't any more. I'm not arguing with my doctor, he is just passing on the latest and the greatest. Still, it's discouraging that once you learn the numbers, then they change them on you. According to my doctor, for a diabetic, the new LDL guideline is less than 70! I have been on statins for years, but had to switch to a new, more powerful one. SignatureDan Abel dabel@sonic.net Petaluma, California, USA > According to my doctor, for a diabetic, the new LDL guideline is less > than 70! I have been on statins for years, but had to switch to a new, > more powerful one. But what if most of your LDL is the good, fluffy kind?! Makes no sense to me. I think that's something else they're treating in isolation, not holistically. I read the reports that say C-reactive protein (i.e. inflammation) is a better marker for heart disease than LDL levels, and keep popping my baby aspirin and reading Quentin's nutrition posts! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg > These are results from July - I've had another set that were not so good, > but still very healthy, but I've filed them somewhere! It was in any case [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > LDL.........2.16.................83 > Trigs/HDL....0.6...............1.38 On Dec 2 2005 you reported these figures ( Now) from a recent test ... Total chol..July 3.81 mmol/l Now 4.5 (was 3.3 a couple of years ago) Trig........July 0.78 Now 0.8 HDL.........July 1.29 Now 1.3 LDL.........July 2.16 Now 2.8 HTH >> These are results from July - I've had another set that were not so good, >> but still very healthy, but I've filed them somewhere! It was in any case [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > HDL.........July 1.29 Now 1.3 > LDL.........July 2.16 Now 2.8 Thanks, Peter - I've since found the paper copy, but it's useful to have an electronic set as well! But like I say, it was the earlier results that prompted my GP to start talking statins. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >> My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many >> horror stories about side effects, some permanent. > >Mine's trying to do that to me, too, even though my cholesterol levels are >fine. Grrr. What is the reasoning being given to you for this? In my case, my cholesterol is a bit high, but it was down massively from 3 months prior at Dx. So, I wanted time to see if it continued to decrease. > What is the reasoning being given to you for this? quote, All diabetics should be on a statin, unquote. Bah! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >> What is the reasoning being given to you for this? > >quote, All diabetics should be on a statin, unquote. Bah! Congratulations on keeping your temper. If any Doc makes an absolute statement like that to me, they had better be able to follow it up with the "why". I admit I'm biased on Statins; I've seen way too many reports of side effects, especially of the psychological variety, to be comfortable with them unless they are badly needed and all else has failed. What really bothers me is that's it's known they are plasma-binding and cross the blood-brain barrier with great efficiency, yet I can't find any data indicating any study was done on the psychological effects of the things. I was curious as to what those that did many of the studies on the subject of statins and diabetes had to say. so I went to www.diabetes.org and typed statins in the search box in the upper right corner. it led me to 11 different links to the results of many studies. or you can press the really really long link. http://google.diabetes.org/search?q=Statins&ie=&site=my_collection&restrict=main _site%7Cstore%7Cvgs&output=xml_no_dtd&client=my_collection&btnG.y=0&btnG.y=0&lr= &btnG.x=0&btnG.x=0&proxystylesheet=my_collection&oe=&Search.x=2&Search.y=9 SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index ADA's Diabetes Learning Center http://diabetes.org/about-diabetes.jsp Joslin Center Beginner's Guide. http://www.joslin.org/Beginners_guide.asp Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html >I was curious as to what those that did many of the studies on the subject >of statins and diabetes had to say. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >http://google.diabetes.org/search?q=Statins&ie=&site=my_collection&restrict=main _site%7Cstore%7Cvgs&output=xml_no_dtd&client=my_collection&btnG.y=0&btnG.y=0&lr= &btnG.x=0&btnG.x=0&proxystylesheet=my_collection&oe=&Search.x=2&Search.y=9 Thanks... I've read most of these in the past. The problem with many of them is lack of specifics. For example, they don't mention the cholesterol levels in the test subjects prior to starting. I'm especially dubious as there is no mention of the side effects of statins, especially the psychological ones, or rarer ones such as tendonitis. In spite of much searching, I've also yet to find a good explanation of why Statins should be prescribed for someone without high cholesterol. > Thanks... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > of why Statins should be prescribed for someone without high > cholesterol. I can't find a good reason for them to be prescribed for anyone. Pantethine has the same benefits with none of the risks. My mother, who was in perfectly good health, was crippled by statin use, not by tendonitis, but my muscle myopathy. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I can't find a good reason for them to be prescribed for anyone. >Pantethine has the same benefits with none of the risks. If my next cholesterol test is high, I'll be trying that too... Thanks for mentioning this in the past, as that was what spurred me to look into it. >My mother, who was in perfectly good health, was crippled by statin use, >not by tendonitis, but my muscle myopathy. Susan, I'm very sorry to hear this. Any chance of improvement over time? My best wishes to you both. > Susan, I'm very sorry to hear this. Any chance of improvement over > time? > > My best wishes to you both. Thanks, Chris. She improved over time, once I got her to a neuromuscular specialist and she spent over a year on high dose steroids, which also made her miserable. She's never gotten all her strength back, though, but the intense pain, weakness and muscle breakdown is gone. Irony is that she had great ratios, and that statins aren't to be rx'ed for those over 75, which she was. She never needed them, but her doctor just kept looking at the LDL number and treating it for no good reason. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >strength back, though, but the intense pain, weakness and muscle >breakdown is gone. I'm glad she is doing better... >Irony is that she had great ratios, and that statins aren't to be rx'ed >for those over 75, which she was. I had no idea about the over 75 part... My Mom was Rx'd them at age 77. The most I've seen is the fact that the statin studies rarely included anyone over 75. Still, I do know the RX guidelines say that it's for above age 40 in most cases, and my Doc tried to put me on them last year (when I was 38). > She never needed them, but her doctor >just kept looking at the LDL number and treating it for no good reason. Ugh... Has there ever been a study done to see how much, exactly, borderline (LDL levels) patients benefit from statins, and also what the risks really are? Or are they just basing all this on extrapolations and the original studies (which didn't even look at the psychological side).? >I can't find a good reason for them to be prescribed for anyone. >Pantethine has the same benefits with none of the risks. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Susan I think you've seen the posts where I listed results of my experiments. I've tried pantethine (absolutely no effect on me), Pravachol, various supplements, dietary changes - and the only thing that will keep my LDL in bounds is lipitor20mg. I wish it was otherwise, but I'm afraid it's the case for me. YMMV. I don't get any side-effects. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > I think you've seen the posts where I listed results of my > experiments. I've tried pantethine (absolutely no effect on > me), Alan, what I recall was that you were unable to get pantethine and substituted pantothenic acid instead. Not the same thing, no such study results for PA. Pravachol, various supplements, dietary changes - and > the only thing that will keep my LDL in bounds is > lipitor20mg. I wish it was otherwise, but I'm afraid it's > the case for me. YMMV. I don't get any side-effects. I hope you're able to get your hands on some real pantethine at some point. If you have and I missed it, I'll stand corrected. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Susan I'm not a chemist, but as I remember it, it was also known as Vit B5. You're probably right, I'll look into it. But I do keep in mind that I don't get any of the dreaded side effects. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >do keep in mind that I don't get any of the dreaded side >effects. Alan, when did you go on Statins, relative to the onset of your frozen shoulder problems? The reason I ask is that one of the often unmentioned side effects experienced by some people is tendonitis and joint problems. >>>x-no-archive: yes >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >unmentioned side effects experienced by some people is tendonitis and >joint problems. Hi Chris I first started on lipitor around 2000. I had no side effects; at one time I thought occasional night cramps were a result but I have actually had problems with those for many years before that. It was a blood test for a repeat prescription for the lipitor that disclosed my CLL in 2002. It was part of the battery of blood tests from that which diagnosed the type 2. I started trialling alternatives to lipitor after reading here. Unfortunately none worked for me, as I mentioned. I didn't start feeling the FS symptoms in my shoulder until some time last year, so relating it to the lipitor is drawing a long bow. My sister had rotator cuff surgery last year and there may be a hereditary link. It has improved quite remarkably since I started swimming again, but it's still painful, particularly when I forget and move my arm suddenly. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:32:22 -0700, Chris J. >>Alan, when did you go on Statins, relative to the onset of your frozen >>shoulder problems? The reason I ask is that one of the often [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >a result but I have actually had problems with those for >many years before that. >It was a blood test for a repeat prescription for the >lipitor that disclosed my CLL in 2002. It was part of the >battery of blood tests from that which diagnosed the type 2. Ouch, you certainly got hit by a lot at once. Congratulations on dealing with it all so well. >I started trialling alternatives to lipitor after reading >here. Unfortunately none worked for me, as I mentioned. If you are having no side effects, IMHO the best policy is "If it works, don't fix it." >I didn't start feeling the FS symptoms in my shoulder until >some time last year, so relating it to the lipitor is >drawing a long bow. Indeed. If it was within six months, I'd be suspicious, but over that long a time period I wouldn't. >>I started trialling alternatives to lipitor after reading >>here. Unfortunately none worked for me, as I mentioned. > >If you are having no side effects, IMHO the best policy is "If it >works, don't fix it." My sentiments exactly. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > I'm not a chemist, but as I remember it, it was also known > as Vit B5. You're probably right, I'll look into it. But I > do keep in mind that I don't get any of the dreaded side > effects. B5 is not pantethine, it's pantothenic acid. Not analogous. Susan Alan, the lipitor worked great for me except for the side effects. The muscle pain in my legs was horrendous, even bringing me to tears sometimes. If I could tolerate it, I'd surely continue it, but with the severity of the neuropathy in my legs and feet (irreversible - totally dead nerves, and all of it caused by dm), I don't think it would be a good idea. Wonder if my leg problems contribute to the lipitor side effects? Maybe they don't have enough of whatever is needed to combat the lipitor actions. Billie in AR : >Susan : [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : : Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >>> I'm really sorry. I thought this was going elsewhere. >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > asked is that I have become very forgetful lately. Stupid things like > missing the 24 hour injection more often than not. That's not like me. Well, one side effect of insulin is that it will undoubtedly improve your health! :) (Unless taken in unhealthy quantities--too little or too much). It's a powerful substance, so learn all you can about it. dave > Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and the > state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do anything - [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > event. Hell I'd contribute enough to pay for some body bags or ('personal > god vehicles') PGV's as I like to think of them. Bush will turn his head and do nothing. He is in bed with Vicente Fox and I wonder which one is on top. Anon | > Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and the | > state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do anything - [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] | | Anon LOL better be Bush.. otherwise he's not in missionary position and thats against the USMJ code.. tis tis... thats a court martial offense. shame shame on the Commander and Chief.. not leading by example. RK errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! last time I let her set up my system. hehehehehe Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. c > errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! > last time I let her set up my system. thx colleen :-) RK | hehehehehe | [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | > errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! | > last time I let her set up my system. Well I had stopped for awhile because I got really busy again. Tomorrow I see my new doc. She came highly recommended not only by my former doc but also my NP. Now I have an entirely female medical team. My Opthamologist is female also. "Bout time. c > thx colleen :-) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > | > errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! > | > last time I let her set up my system. thats great! yeah, I dont have any men on my medical team now either. all females -- i find they understand us a bit better and not so fast to say it's all in our heads lol. good to have you back also.. i've been swamped too, dealing with life and such. rk | Well I had stopped for awhile because I got really busy again. Tomorrow I | see my new doc. She came highly recommended not only by my former doc but [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] | > | > errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! | > | > last time I let her set up my system. > thats great! yeah, I dont have any men on my medical team > now either. all females -- i find they understand us a bit better > and not so fast to say it's all in our heads lol. Male shrinks are the worst. My last GP was male and I never, ever felt put down, talked down to, or in anyway diminished because of my mental illness or my gender. > good to have you back also.. i've been swamped too, dealing > with life and such. Yeah, sometimes the life stuff gets shunted aside for the such stuff. Cleaned the studio today. I usually sneak up on it when I go back to the easel. I have other things going on the rest of this week then next week it's paint time. Did my drawing in Photoshop today. Fun. c > rk > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > UG! > | > | > last time I let her set up my system. >> thats great! yeah, I dont have any men on my medical team >> now either. all females -- i find they understand us a bit better [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> UG! >> | > | > last time I let her set up my system. Where's your work? I'd like to see it. I work with Lightwave and photoshop along with a bunch of other stuff. Mostly 3D animation and modeling. I hope I get my vision to unblur enough to go back to it eventually. Gene I'll put some of the finals up on the web this AM. I'll make a new post for them. It'll be about an hour. Gotta have the coffee kick in first. c I just started using CS2. Great program and a whole helluva lotta fun. >>> thats great! yeah, I dont have any men on my medical team >>> now either. all females -- i find they understand us a bit better [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Gene >I'll put some of the finals up on the web this AM. I'll make a new post for >them. It'll be about an hour. Gotta have the coffee kick in first. > >c > >I just started using CS2. Great program and a whole helluva lotta fun. CS2? Not fa,iliar with it, am having a brain fart. >> Where's your work? I'd like to see it. I work with Lightwave and >> photoshop along with a bunch of other stuff. Mostly 3D animation and >> modeling. I hope I get my vision to unblur enough to go back to it >> eventually. >> >> Gene You know I have yet to see a copy of LightWave on any store shelf locally. Bryce and a few others I've seen. What does lightwave run $$ wise? I've seen the end products from lightwave, quite impressive. SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. It's the latest version of Photoshop. Some really fun new features on it. Lots of autmation, file sorting stuff and some really cool new tools. It's my favorite toy. c >>I'll put some of the finals up on the web this AM. I'll make a new post >>for [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > locally. Bryce and a few others I've seen. What does lightwave run > $$ wise? I've seen the end products from lightwave, quite impressive. >>I'll put some of the finals up on the web this AM. I'll make a new >>post for them. It'll be about an hour. Gotta have the coffee kick in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > locally. Bryce and a few others I've seen. What does lightwave run > $$ wise? I've seen the end products from lightwave, quite impressive. It's the best in my opinion for cost/feature. LW is used in TV and Movies every year and has won an Emmy for the last 5 years for special effects. The prices are dropping yearly, It's around 860.00 now at Safe Harbour http://www.sharbor.com/ I paid 2495.00 ten years ago and anywhere from 395 to 695 for yearly upgrades. The driving force in the industry today which is Autodesk - they make autocad, 3D Max, and just brought Maya. That leaves small companies like Newtek scrambling to keep market share so right now the prices are depressed but that's not to say it's a good price - it may go lower. Even worse the small companies may fold up shop then you have a program that isn't supported anymore. Chief it is no big deal , really, It justs allows people who dont want to get into those things to know it is not about diabetes. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Ronetta@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote in news:10701-43D9222B-116 @storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net: > Chief it is no big deal , really, It justs allows people who dont want > to get into those things to know it is not about diabetes. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. OT - got it. >thx colleen :-) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. >| c Hi RK! Glad to see you back! >>| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. >>| c > > Hi RK! Glad to see you back! I think I'm going to gag. Dave >>>| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. >>>| c [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Dave Is that a promise? ;-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 24, 2006 is 2,237. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. interesting, a totally unprovoked post, and jackass has to start in on me. typical. too bad everyone doesn't put him on total KF, where he belongs. | >>>| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. | >>>| c [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | | Is that a promise? ;-) If those of us who have been here for many moons were to do that we wouldn't see it when he starts in with his b.s. on some poor newbie. That certainly doesn't mean we have to give him the attention he craves so freaking much. >interesting, a totally unprovoked post, and jackass has to >start in on me. typical. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >| >| Is that a promise? ;-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 24, 2006 is 2,237. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. I agree and that's why I didn't KF him before, until his attacks started in on me. As much as I have to deal with in life, his crap is one that I can block because I simply do not need it. I agree, there are a few here that need to keep an eye on the stalking net kook, but its the ones that condone his behavior I'll be KF now.. I don't have time to tread through all the posts and worry about someone condoning his ill behavior. One already made it there. Like you, mack and bruce and few others I appreciate trying to keep this place cleaned up and forewarn others -- you won't land in my kf. Thanks for all you do. You are a gentleman! Reisa | If those of us who have been here for many moons were to do that we | wouldn't see it when he starts in with his b.s. on some poor newbie. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | >| | >| Is that a promise? ;-) >I agree and that's why I didn't KF him before, until his attacks >started in on me. As much as I have to deal with in life, his crap [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Reisa Shouted over my shoulder after reading this, "Hey Honey, Reisa agrees with you and Susan. She says I am a gentleman too. Gee! I'm getting a real fan club following. Must be doing something right." SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >>>| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. >>>| c [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Dave Dave, you are one funny guy! Will, T2 how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because of that jackass, and I was asked to come back and asked others nicely not to reply to his verbal abuse towards me. I'm not leaving again, but I will from this point on put anyone who replys to him and condones his attacks on me in my KF, I simply don't have time to sort out and read such trash. g'day Mr. McKee. RK who's been here longer then the well known net stalking kook BayAreaDave aka Dave. (google doesn't lie!) | >>>| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. | >>>| c [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | | Will, T2 << I'm not leaving again, but I will from this point on put anyone who replys to him and condones his attacks on me in my KF>> G A S P !!!! Reisa knows what she is talking about. She's one smart lady to KF Dave, aka BayAreaDave, rather than even seeing his attacks come up on her screen. >how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >| >| Will, T2 SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >| >| Will, T2 Hi Reisa, This is not my fight. I do not care if you and Dave do not get along... It is OK with me.. I like you both... I am sorry for both you and Dave that you seem such antagonists, though. I sometimes think laughter is a way to defuse ridiculous situations.... If Dave wants to gag, so what? I respectfully suggest that the better way would be to learn to breathe, sit, and laugh it off.... Quite frankly, I do not understand what is going on with you two, but it has nothing to do with me... I think you are OK. But, please, let's chill.... And, I wish you a good day today, tomorrow, and every day, sincerely I do... :-) Will, T2 >>how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >>were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Will, T2 Dear Will, Dave is quite often cruel and insulting to many people. He has been especially so to RK. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>>how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >>>were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >Dave is quite often cruel and insulting to many people. >He has been especially so to RK. Hi Evelyn, Good morning. Remember little the kids song, "Good morning to you, good morning to you, We're all in our places, with smiles on our faces.. Good morning to you! :-) I am beginning to realize that there are some really bad feelings there between RK and David, which I just don't understand. I really mean no offense to either one of them, and RK, if I offended you, I apologize..... As a rule, I do not butt into other people's fights. Will, T2 >>>>how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >>>>were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > Will, T2 Hi Will, It can be all too human for people to join in with the rivalries of others, and perhaps nearly divine to remain above the contention. But few of us are divine enough to be immune to seeing others suffer cruelty and say nothing. Dave has been cruel not just to RK, but to many people here. There are some people in this world who are suffering deeply from whatever problems they may have, and strike out cruelly at others. It could be because they resent/fear having this rotten illness, or it could be because there are other issues in their lives they can't seem to get past. Whatever the cause, it pays to engender the utmost compassion for them. It takes years of spiritual cultivation to be able to generate the kind of compassion that can encompass cruel and angry people along with the nice sweet ones, yet almost all religions encourage that principle. Sometimes such persons will say they don't want kindness or compassion. They may have come to a place where the adrenaline rush of anger is almost an addiction to them, and the only human "currency" they can offer others, often believing irrationally, that in pushing others down, they elevate themselves. Yet in our hearts we know that human beings can and sometimes do actually change, and if they do change it will be from kindness that engenders wisdom, not from the anger they know so very well how to respond to for all of their lives, almost by habit. Being kind to an evilly motivated person is *really* throwing them the last rope that can save them from their own hatred, but often the crowd can misunderstands it, thinking that it means acceptance of the persons misdeeds or more nasty behavior. Knowing you a little better personally, ought to help and remedy that illusion, but all too often our own fear of such people creates this kind of misunderstanding, and such is the way of our world, unfortunately. Reisa, Will is just a really kind guy. He is even kind to bay area dave. Don't be mad at him for it. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>>>>how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >>>>>were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] >He is even kind to bay area dave. >Don't be mad at him for it. Evelyn, you are so very wise. Thanks. Coming from you, those are golden words. I could not have said better, myself, had I tried all day. Will, T2 | Reisa, Will is just a really kind guy. | He is even kind to bay area dave. | Don't be mad at him for it. Thank you Eveyln, Yes, I know this, but for me to remain, I have to and will KF anyone other then a select few who reply to the "cyberstalker" -- Everyone says to ignore the trolls, well I am as should everyone. The "cyberstalker" doesn't deserve any kindness, he deserves to be completely ignored so like a good little troll he'll run away. -- btw I know the cyberstalker will read this.. so tell your little friends that are sending me harassing, threatening emails., I've already turned them over to my local police, along with copies of your posts attacking me and the google threads of your past stalking that others have called you on in other newsgroups -- definately a pattern we're seeing here. I accept your apology Will, but until I know you're not going to reply to the cyberstalker when he makes a taunting cruel comment to me -- I can't risk having you there to read and seeing it -- my glucose doesn't deserve that. Reisa >| Reisa, Will is just a really kind guy. >| He is even kind to bay area dave. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Reisa Reisa, I really have no idea of what has happened between you and Dave... All I can say is that it obviously causes a lot of pain for you, and probably for him, as well. And, I am totally clueless about the cyberstalking thing. I have absolutely no idea of what that is all about, and I am not sure I want to know. But, if it is true, I understand your felt need to protect yourself. If it means anything, I am here for you, and I do care very much for you. And, I generally appreciate your posts and contributions a great deal. In the future, I will try to be more careful and not respond to Dave in a way that you might misconstrue. But, I am on friendly terms with him, as well. A couple of days ago, I had no idea you would be so offended. I was just fooling around. I should have been more thoughtful and reflective. Returning to your stress levels and glucose for a moment, I was really serious about suggesting some breathing exercises, meditations, and sitting... and then laughing some of this stuff off. It is part of how I have kept my own sanity and kept my own glucose in check. Along those lines, if I can ever offer any helpful suggestions, I would invite you to contact me via email, or on here, at any time. And then, you know Evelyn, who is a gem beyond comparing. Peace, Will > | Reisa, Will is just a really kind guy. > | He is even kind to bay area dave. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Reisa Reisa, they just passed a new law about cyber harassment.... let's hope the news of this has trickled down to the lower levels of existence where such trolls live ......among the other worms and scum. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > | Reisa, Will is just a really kind guy. > | He is even kind to bay area dave. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Reisa LOL! sounds like you've irritated others besides me; the only difference being they are bothering you with emails?? Let the police sort it out. Let us know when (or IF) they find anyone who's broken the law. as you know, I haven't communicated via email with you since we collaborated on the DM document last year. after you became rude to me on the NG I saw no reason to email you any further. Dave I remember when you were great friends, I hope you will be again someday. As you know, a certain poster and I have had an ongoing battle for a few years, really rude and hateful things going on. One day not so long ago, I looked at a post I had made to him, and I knew it was cruel and hurtful, and I told myself...never again. Since then, he and I have had civil conversations in the NG, and I've enjoyed his posts a lot. I wish that could happen for both of you, and that's all I'm going to say about that. :-) -- Cheri >law. as you know, I haven't communicated via email with you since we >collaborated on the DM document last year. after you became rude to me >on the NG I saw no reason to email you any further. > >Dave > I remember when you were great friends, I hope you will be again > someday. As you know, a certain poster and I have had an ongoing battle [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >>Dave Cheri, that would work only if both parties were mentally stable. :) She who is nameless has obviously got serious mental and personality disorders. Look at this thread, as an example. she thinks someone (me? Ha!) has put others up to sending emails to her?? that's delusional. Mary and I discuss the goings on between ourselves, but we don't discuss this NG with our friends. This NG is too bizarre to bring up elsewhere. dave >> I remember when you were great friends, I hope you will be again >> someday. As you know, a certain poster and I have had an ongoing battle [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Cheri, that would work only if both parties were mentally stable. :) Which means Dave isn't likely to be well enough for that anytime soon. >Mary and I discuss the goings on between ourselves, but we don't discuss >this NG with our friends. This NG is too bizarre to bring up elsewhere. Besides, he wouldn't want to be seen conversing with his right hand in public. ;-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. since "he" is KF, I'll reply so others know. I ONLY became nasty to you a FEW times AFTER you ATTACKED me FIRST. (yes, caps are to emphasize you started this..) but of course I'm sure you're not man enough to apologize and STOP your petty attacks. This is all I will say on the matter. If someone wants to pass on his apology for his belittling, name calling and his/wifes horrible lies. Then I too, will step up to the plate and apologize for anything I *might* have done -- shameful that it has all been in my defense. ---- RK - Animas IR1250 pumper ... having fun with autoimmune diseases NOT! dx 5/00 - last a1c 6.3 |I remember when you were great friends, I hope you will be again | someday. As you know, a certain poster and I have had an ongoing battle [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] | > | >Dave "wife's horrible lies"? Oboy, this is getting weird. Please document proof. I am not a liar. I may occasionally stand up for my husband, but I don't lie. Mary > since "he" is KF, I'll reply so others know. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > | > > | >Dave > "wife's horrible lies"? Oboy, this is getting weird. Please document > proof. I am not a liar. I may occasionally stand up for my husband, but > I don't lie. > > Mary Mary, nobody really can ever know that from posts on a newsgroup, and people can say anything they want. Defending Dave is unnecessary and unwarranted. He's a big boy and can speak up for himself for those who choose to still read him. It really isn't your issue. If you just continue to be yourself and relate to people in your own way as an individual, it would be ultimately better for all. I am a pretty even keeled person, yet he even managed to get into my KF twice already in his last two net personas. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >> since "he" is KF, I'll reply so others know. >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> | > >> | >Dave >On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:18:32 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut" >>Dear Will, >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Will, T2 Will, my friend, Reisa, aka RK, is very well justified in her bitterness toward David based solely on his terrible treatment of her. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:20:39 GMT, Grandpa Chuck <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >>I am beginning to realize that there are some really bad feelings >>there between RK and David, which I just don't understand. I really [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Will, my friend, Reisa, aka RK, is very well justified in her >bitterness toward David based solely on his terrible treatment of her. He didn't say she wasn't. Only that it is not his place to interfere or get in the middle of something he has nothing to do with. 1 person can be friends with 2 people who do not like each other if the 1 is smart enough not to discuss either one with the other. "Did you hear what so and so said..." I'm sorry, knew subject please. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. >On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:20:39 GMT, Grandpa Chuck <Grandpa >Chuck@B4ME.org> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >1 person can be friends with 2 people who do not like each other if >the 1 is smart enough not to discuss either one with the other. And there in lies the key. >"Did you hear what so and so said..." >I'm sorry, knew subject please. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. Ma���������������������������������� wrote: > 1 person can be friends with 2 people who do not like each other if > the 1 is smart enough not to discuss either one with the other. "Seems to me that if the middle of a rope is strong, it won't break no matter how hard folks pull on both ends." -- Danny Dunn's mother (from a children's book) SignatureWes Groleau A bureaucrat is someone who cuts red tape lengthwise. > "Seems to me that if the middle of a rope is strong, it won't break > no matter how hard folks pull on both ends." Hey, Wes... That's good. It always works in tug-of-war.... I was not as smart as I wish I had been, however... The thoughtless reply I made in response to Dave led RK to misconstrue my remarks as somehow promoting Dave's hostility to her... I do regret that. In truth, I really am quite neutral in the whole affair. And, I think they both have many very good qualities. In the end, you know, it is all about kindness, caring, honesty, and generosity... This whole situation with those two will resolve of its own accord, without anyone having to intervene. Each of the two parties involved is responsible for what he/she does, says, thinks... It seems like a big waste of energy to me, and it is not my deal. Will, T2 > apologize..... As a rule, I do not butt into other people's fights. Good advice. I have seen folks in here berating someone for his/her bad manners several days after the person offended has forgiven the offender. On the other hand, I reserve the right to stop listening to either or both sides if I think the problem is a character flaw rather than a differing opinion. SignatureWes Groleau "A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument." -- Ron Allen >>>how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >>>were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >Dave is quite often cruel and insulting to many people. >He has been especially so to RK. Pay attention to what Evelyn said. She is 100% correct. In my experience usually when someone tried to be friends with everyone they wound up with almost no friends at all. That does not mean that you have to pick one side or another. I am pretty sure by now you have become acquainted with Chung and his style of posting. Well Dave is a step or two above Chung, but not by much. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >Pay attention to what Evelyn said. She is 100% correct. In my >experience usually when someone tried to be friends with everyone they >wound up with almost no friends at all. That does not mean that you >have to pick one side or another. I am pretty sure by now you have >become acquainted with Chung and his style of posting. Well Dave is a >step or two above Chung, but not by much. I guess that's just what the "razor's edge" is all about, Chuck. We just do what we can, come what may, in a spirit of openness, generosity, and kindness. Not everyone understands, and that's OK... People are not necessarily supposed to understand. That why we are people. Did you ever read the book by Somerset Maugham, or ever see the movie by the same name? By the way, if you have not seen the Bill Murray movie, or read the book, you would find either, or both, highly rewarding as food for thought. I do not meanto get way out on you, but this is all something to think about and reflect upon, for everyone with a certain perspective on things. There are also a number of other writings that discuss this idea.... but I am sure you do not have to hear about it from me. I hope you are doing well today, Chuck. :-) Keep your spirits up, and don't let the bastards grind you down! Will, T2 >>Pay attention to what Evelyn said. She is 100% correct. In my >>experience usually when someone tried to be friends with everyone they [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >movie, or read the book, you would find either, or both, highly >rewarding as food for thought. Razor's Edge is one that missed both in print and film. >I do not meanto get way out on you, but this is all something to think >about and reflect upon, for everyone with a certain perspective on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I hope you are doing well today, Chuck. :-) Keep your spirits up, and >don't let the bastards grind you down! No need to worry about that one. I'm way to outspoken for that to happen. They have tried in the past usually came out on the short end of the stick or with me no longer in front of them to poke with the stick. >Will, T2 SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. > Did you ever read the book by Somerset Maugham, or ever see the movie > by the same name? By the way, if you have not seen the Bill Murray [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > things. There are also a number of other writings that discuss this > idea.... but I am sure you do not have to hear about it from me. One more thing before bed time... Never be one of the herd, even if it costs everything... "Razors Edge"! Do not ever flinch from anything, or anyone, for any reason.... Be fearless, and live fully and intensely in every moment! Chart your own course, Chuck, .... I think you have potential to be really something great... Indeed, you already are greater than you realize! Will, T2 >> Did you ever read the book by Somerset Maugham, or ever see the movie >> by the same name? By the way, if you have not seen the Bill Murray [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Will, T2 Deepak Chopra in his book "How To Know God" says that all actions and emotions are based the only true emotions that exist. Those are love and fear. When you take a look at things in that light they make a lot more sense than the ways we try to complicate so many things in this life. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >Pay attention to what Evelyn said. She is 100% correct. In my >experience usually when someone tried to be friends with everyone they >wound up with almost no friends at all. That does not mean that you >have to pick one side or another. I am pretty sure by now you have >become acquainted with Chung and his style of posting. Well Dave is a >step or two above Chung, but not by much. That's a bit rough Chuck. BAD on a bad day is still way above Chung and does give some sensible on-topic advice - just sometimes to the wrong people. I stay well away from offering any advice on insulin, pumps etc to type 1 newbies; he might consider the same philosophy for diet and type 2 newbies. That doesn't excuse his personality clashes and hate/fear problems, but many of us at times get angry and say more than we mean to. Including me, RK, Beav, Mack... hmmm...looking at that list, maybe I need to get checked again to see if I'm really a type 1...(ducking)... I seem to only irritate Dave..where did I go wrong (don't you hate it when people talk about you as though you're not listening, Dave:-)? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Pay attention to what Evelyn said. She is 100% correct. In my >>experience usually when someone tried to be friends with everyone they [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >you hate it when people talk about you as though you're not >listening, Dave:-)? Beats me. He did the same thing to me early on when I defended Diana. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. > I seem to only irritate Dave..where did I go wrong (don't > >you hate it when people talk about you as though you're not > >listening, Dave:-)? > > Beats me. He did the same thing to me early on when I defended Diana. Chuck, Chuck, Chuck... Diana is wonderful, but she is a big girl.... Please, be first to your ownself true. Of course, I love Diana, and I appreciate her as much as you do... Don't worry about Dave. His situation will resolve on its own, without your intervention. He is not really that much of a problem, you know...not really. We do not always have to see things in such dualities of us and them, black and white, etc. Don't think that things have to be so personal... You are you, and that's what's important. Others will take care of themselves, in due course. Slow down, and contemplate... let things go, for your own good... Be at peace with the world... and everyone else in it. Just a little friendly and unsolicited advice from someone who cares about you, very much. If what I am saying seems to be helpful, fine. If not, it is OK... Don't worry about it. Will, T2 >> I seem to only irritate Dave..where did I go wrong (don't >> >you hate it when people talk about you as though you're not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >you know...not really. We do not always have to see things in such dualities >of us and them, black and white, etc. Of course. However when someone attacks a friend when that friend is in a vulnerable state it is part of my nature to defend my friend. >Don't think that things have to be so personal... You are you, and that's >what's important. Others will take care of themselves, in due course. Grant me the serenity to accept those I cannot change, the courage to change the one that I can, and the wisdom to know that is me. >Slow down, and contemplate... let things go, for your own good... Be at >peace with the world... and everyone else in it. > >Just a little friendly and unsolicited advice from someone who cares about >you, very much. If what I am saying seems to be helpful, fine. If not, it is >OK... Don't worry about it. Tracy Chapman, "Don't worry. Be happy." >Will, T2 SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. > Just a little friendly and unsolicited advice from someone who cares about > >you, very much. If what I am saying seems to be helpful, fine. If not, it > >is > >OK... Don't worry about it. > > Tracy Chapman, "Don't worry. Be happy." Uh, Chuck... You've got the idea, but I think it was Bobby McFerin who wrote that song... Here are some of the words: Here's a little song I wrote You might want to sing it note for note Don't worry, be happy In every life we have some trouble But when you worry you make it double Don't worry, be happy Don't worry, be happy now Don't worry, be happy Don't worry, be happy Don't worry, be happy Don't worry, be happy Ain't got no place to lay your head Somebody came and took your bed Don't worry, be happy The landlord say your rent is late He may have to litigate Don't worry, be happy Don't worry, be happy Have a wonderful evening, Chuck. I think we have both learned a lot today. And, Evelyn, if you are listening, I hope you have a good one, too. :-) Will, T2 >> Just a little friendly and unsolicited advice from someone who cares >> about [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Will, T2 Yes, it was a very good one, and I wish the same to you! SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >> Just a little friendly and unsolicited advice from someone who cares about >> >you, very much. If what I am saying seems to be helpful, fine. If not, it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Uh, Chuck... You've got the idea, but I think it was Bobby McFerin who wrote >that song... You be right. Don't know why I would get her mixed up with him except they have a similar style. >Here are some of the words: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Will, T2 SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 28, 2006 is 2,242. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. I wonder what Will would say, if it were HIS daughter that Dave blatently attacked? I guess it's alright that he calls me a drug-addict and says that he pitys my daughter for having such a mother because I have to take heavy narcodics to control my pain levels.. I guess I'm wrong that I have such guilt and grief over my other medical situation -- ya know, maybe I should just find that cliff I've been avoiding -- seems I'm not even allowed to have a gentleman defend me. *sigh* whats the point anymore. ---- RK - Animas IR1250 pumper ... having fun with autoimmune diseases NOT! dx 5/00 - last a1c 6.3 | >> I seem to only irritate Dave..where did I go wrong (don't | >> >you hate it when people talk about you as though you're not [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] | | >Will, T2 > I wonder what Will would say, if it were HIS daughter that > Dave blatently attacked? I guess it's alright that he calls me [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > *sigh* whats the point anymore. Hi RK, The point is that Will didn't say anything like that to you, rotten Dave did. Will is simply a nice person who is somewhat new here and trying to be nice to everyone. We all know what Dave is all about. Don't allow your perfectly justified anger with Dave to affect your friendship with others, who wish you only good will. It isn't worth it. You have enough stress in your life and there are many people here who wish you peace, happiness and good will. Put it all behind you and only talk to the rest of us. :-) (((((( hugs )))))) SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > Don't allow your perfectly justified anger with Dave to affect your > friendship with others, who wish you only good will. It isn't worth it. > You have enough stress in your life and there are many people here who > wish > you peace, happiness and good will. Rk, I really don't have the background on what has happened with you and Dave.... I wish you only good will, ....sincerely, I do. Regarding what Dave may have done, as long as you have taken effective measures to protect yourself and you daughter, I would respectfully suggest that you have to find some way of letting go... It may be a challenge, but you have to do it for yourself and for your daughter. That does not mean, you have to be friends with Dave. But there are more effective ways than persistent anger to deal with it. Some other time, I just may tell you about something very horrible that someone very close did to one of my daughters. I had to do the very thing I am suggesting to you. This is not the time or the place, because even now the need for privacy for that daughter and the sensitivity of what happened make it inappropriate to discuss in a news group. Suffice it to say, as a Dad, I am getting some glimmer of understanding of your burden. You might practice some what I call "letting go" exercises.... I have learned that when I simply "let go of the anger" and do not always fight about whatever the problem is, the solution just comes, and with it comes peace. Often struggle and strife simply cause more anger, struggle, and strife, to the everlasting hurt of everyone involved, until the circle of hate and anger is broken. And, if you have me turned off, and do not read this, that is OK... Somehow, I think others are giving you similar advice. Peace, Will G'mornin Reisa, I kind of have the feeling that Will is still new enough in ASD that he is still giving everyone the benefit of a doubt. That's alright. It is only a matter of time before he says something that doesn't fit into Dave's "rules of behavior" and is subjected to his ire. You know that you have many friends here that will stand up for you, Diana and any others that are attacked unmercifully by Dave or anyone else. Dave has tried to use your vocabulary as a reason to condemn you. I find that downright funny. He must not live in today's world at all. There are times when certain terms that may be considered vulgar by others are just what is needed to emphasize a point. You go girl. >I wonder what Will would say, if it were HIS daughter that >Dave blatently attacked? I guess it's alright that he calls me [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >| >| >Will, T2 SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 28, 2006 is 2,242. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >I wonder what Will would say, if it were HIS daughter that >Dave blatently attacked? I guess it's alright that he calls me [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >... having fun with autoimmune diseases NOT! >dx 5/00 - last a1c 6.3 the point? that dave does not matter one way or the other in your life. The point? That your daughter is actually quite lucky to have a mother like you who loves her and fights for her, in spite of your own illness and injury and pain. The point? That nothing someone like dave says or does can truly hurt your daughter, take anything away from her, or in anyway lesson or cheapen your relationship with her. the point? is that your daughter has given you something that dave will never have nor comprehend. the proof of that is his perpetual anger. The point? is that you should actually feel pity for dave. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. | >I wonder what Will would say, if it were HIS daughter that | >Dave blatently attacked? I guess it's alright that he calls me [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] | | is that you should actually feel pity for dave. Thanks... your words helped. Just some days are worse then others and when i'm already beating myself up.. coming here looking for a bit of empathy from friends and getting beat up more by him just rubs me raw. That's why I've KF him.. Either the past few days he's not been posting or others have been kind enough not to reply to him with anything rotten he's said about me.. It's certainly made a hug difference. I do appreciate it. btw.. got the stuff and my friend is very pleased.. tyvm. Signature---- RK - Animas IR1250 pumper ... having fun with autoimmune diseases NOT! dx 5/00 - last a1c 6.3 Hello RK, Just saying a friendly hello... I hope all is forgiven. Will, T2 > | >I wonder what Will would say, if it were HIS daughter that > | >Dave blatently attacked? I guess it's alright that he calls me [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > | > | is that you should actually feel pity for dave. Gawd, NO! don't pity ME! LOL! I feel quite fortunate, DM notwithstanding. Pity the deluded. dave >Thanks... your words helped. Just some days are worse then others >and when i'm already beating myself up.. coming here looking for a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >btw.. got the stuff and my friend is very pleased.. tyvm. very welcome to it. what day did you actually get it? I want to know how long it took to get there. I have another package to send out tomorrow to another reader. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. Was at the back door last night when I went to let out the dogs for the last time for the night. -- So it arrived yesterday prolly around 4pm when the mail comes. ---- RK - Animas IR1250 pumper ... having fun with autoimmune diseases NOT! dx 5/00 - last a1c 6.3 | >Thanks... your words helped. Just some days are worse then others | >and when i'm already beating myself up.. coming here looking for a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | | I have another package to send out tomorrow to another reader. > That's a bit rough Chuck. BAD on a bad day is still way > above Chung and does give some sensible on-topic advice - I cannot agree. I think they're even. Chung's sanctimonious façade of being good-natured is preferable to Dave's not merely insulting others, but lying about them to do it. But the fact that he sometimes acts civilized brings him back up a notch and the fact that Chung merely uses it to feign innocence while he knows full well he's disrupting several groups brings him down a few. I can't really blame Chung for all the lemmings that FOLLOW him into this group. SignatureWes Groleau "Lewis's case for the existence of God is fallacious." "You mean like circular reasoning?" "He believes in God. Therefore, he's fallacious." >hehehehehe > >Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. >c Yeah - welcome back. I must admit I missed it with the thread title and name change. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. thx Alan.. I missed you too. Reisa | >hehehehehe | > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | | Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. LOL :-) -- Cheri defduk wrote in message <2PRBf.14265$_S7.3651@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>... >errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! >last time I let her set up my system. "defduk" <abc@qwe.cc> wrote in news:2PRBf.14265$_S7.3651 @newssvr14.news.prodigy.com: > errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! > last time I let her set up my system. Thank you. I'm so glad someone besides me screws up now and then. So is Def Duck your full name and can I call you def or duck? Or maybe I should duck | "defduk" <abc@qwe.cc> wrote in news:2PRBf.14265$_S7.3651 | @newssvr14.news.prodigy.com: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | So is Def Duck your full name and can I call you def or duck? Or maybe I | should duck um yep, I'm only human and do error sometimes. LOL ducky is fine :P "RK" <abc@qwe.cc> wrote in news:4dVBf.14307$_S7.11945 @newssvr14.news.prodigy.com: >| "defduk" <abc@qwe.cc> wrote in news:2PRBf.14265$_S7.3651 >| @newssvr14.news.prodigy.com: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > LOL ducky is fine :P Isn't that a double something-or-nother, ducky and fine mean the samething - right? | "RK" <abc@qwe.cc> wrote in news:4dVBf.14307$_S7.11945 | @newssvr14.news.prodigy.com: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | Isn't that a double something-or-nother, ducky and fine mean the samething | - right? Not in this case. > Isn't that a double something-or-nother, ducky and fine mean the samething > - right? You mean a redundant tautology? SignatureWes Groleau If you put garbage in a computer nothing comes out but garbage. But this garbage, having passed through a very expensive machine, is somehow ennobled and none dare criticize it. >> Isn't that a double something-or-nother, ducky and fine mean the >> samething - right? > > You mean a redundant tautology? Absolutely positively. >errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! >last time I let her set up my system. Good to see you again, Reisa. Will, T2 >| > Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and >| > the state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > RK Meant for another group - one my little brother frequents - I love to pull his chain. But I am truely sorry for this mistake. Just my opinion but - Setting the example has nothing to do with following. >LOL better be Bush.. otherwise he's not in missionary position and thats >against [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >RK Glad to see you back. What's with the new nickname? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 24, 2006 is 2,237. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. | >LOL better be Bush.. otherwise he's not in missionary position and thats | >against [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | | What's with the new nickname? Thanks :) Wasn't me, was Danni, she set up another system for me and decided it would be funny to put what she calls me around the house on here. And yes, there is a meaning behind what she calls me. Can we say.. "smart a.s!" lol RK | The following information is given with the utmost respect | for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 | according to President Bush - probably many more. >Wasn't me, was Danni, she set up another system for me and >decided it would be funny to put what she calls me around the >house on here. And yes, there is a meaning behind what she >calls me. Can we say.. "smart a.s!" lol > >RK Ducky's back!! ah yes, term of endearment, well if you were taking metfartin she would be calling you poopers. did you see the freebies post I made, some pump supplies up for the grabs if they are compatible. SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. | >Wasn't me, was Danni, she set up another system for me and | >decided it would be funny to put what she calls me around the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | did you see the freebies post I made, some pump supplies up for the | grabs if they are compatible. LOL actually she's taking metfartin, and it's not giving her the poopies in the least. Thankfully no gas or stomach problems with it either. LOL I know you know what the ducky means.. :P yep, saw the post.. I'm not using a 508 anymore, but thanks for the offer.. I do know someone who can use it.. would ya mind if I snag um for my friend? >| >Wasn't me, was Danni, she set up another system for me and >| >decided it would be funny to put what she calls me around the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >offer.. I do know someone who can use it.. would ya mind if I snag >um for my friend? check your email. SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. me did, gracias. | >| >Wasn't me, was Danni, she set up another system for me and | >| >decided it would be funny to put what she calls me around the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] | | check your email. Only thing we agree on.I 'd like to see Bush and all his evil little wizards with blindfolds and cigarettes. Chief, you are entitled to your opinions, and I may even agree. :Please this should have been marked OT so that those of us not interested in political wars, can stay out of it. -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Ronetta@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote in news:15748-43D7FDBC-136 @storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net: > Chief, you are entitled to your opinions, and I may even agree. :Please > this should have been marked OT so that those of us not interested in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Loretta, I am terribly sorry. It was meant for somewhere and somebody else. I never intended this to go here. It was meant for my little brother's group. I pull his chain hard and often. I really am sorry and I will try to not let this happen again. >Ronetta@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote in news:15748-43D7FDBC-136 >@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >group. I pull his chain hard and often. I really am sorry and I will try to >not let this happen again. For goodness sake do not be reluctant to express such views here at all. Just mark them as being "OT". If we set by and allow Bush & company to act as they have that is the same as giving our approval. Doesn't it just give you a warm fuzzy to know that they can wiretap your telephones as well as reading all your emails and any other damned thing they want without even having to get a warrant? It's kind of like having a modern day American Gestapo operating all around us. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 24, 2006 is 2,237. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >>Ronetta@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote in news:15748-43D7FDBC-136 >>@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > damned thing they want without even having to get a warrant? It's kind > of like having a modern day American Gestapo operating all around us. Chuck, I agree but today America is probably as divided as it was in 1860 and the rest of the world is about the same. Maybe this group should stay a place where politics doesn't decide whether someone helps another with information or support. I haven't met anyone here I would change my mind about based on their politics. Seems to me that every one here liberally gives their support and knowledge when ever asked. >> For goodness sake do not be reluctant to express such views here at >> all. Just mark them as being "OT". If we set by and allow Bush & [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Chuck, I agree but today America is probably as divided as it was in 1860 >and the rest of the world is about the same. I agree this country is certainly more divided than I have ever seen in my 65 years. > Maybe this group should stay >a place where politics doesn't decide whether someone helps another with >information or support. I haven't met anyone here I would change my mind >about based on their politics. Seems to me that every one here liberally >gives their support and knowledge when ever asked. I have always been able to separate the support given by others here from their political, religious or views on other subjects. I do think it is important to make an effort to label off topic posts with the "OT" in the beginning of the subject line. I attend three to five support group meetings per week. There are some people there whose political views are the exact opposite of mine, but when it is time for the meetings to start all that is left behind and we stick to helping each other by sharing our own experiences, strengths and hopes. We have a saying that we do our best to follow: "Principles before personalities." Perhaps we could take a lesson from that and apply it here. I do my best to not killfile any regular posters here that give support to people with questions about diabetes. After all, they might offer exactly what I need sometime and if I had them in my killfile I would miss it. Take care and be well, SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 24, 2006 is 2,237. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >>> For goodness sake do not be reluctant to express such views here at >>> all. Just mark them as being "OT". If we set by and allow Bush & [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Take care and be well, I guess I'm about the same. Sometimes I wonder if it's wrong to not push back. But in the single case of this group, I'll choose to bit my tongue when it comes to politics. Everywhere else - life isn't always a box of chocolates. Sometimes life's a jar of reality. . > Everywhere else - life isn't always a box of > chocolates. Hi Gene, Did you watch "Forrest Gump" last night? It was on cable. I find that one to be worth re-watching from time to time. What would the world be like, if we could all be like Forrest Gump, I wonder? He reminds me a little of the original "uncarved block" of humanity. Will, T2 >> Everywhere else - life isn't always a box of >> chocolates. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Will, T2 I did. I have the movie and watch it often. Hanks has several movies I can watch more than once. Besides Gump, Castaway, Apollo 13, and Terminal were great. Forrest is an appealing character - Having worked with the Special Olympics, I'd guess sometimes a simple man can find the simple answer to a complex problem that eludes the rest of us. I don't know Will, do you think there ever was a time that men weren't reflections on the cave wall? > I don't know Will, do you think there ever was a time that men weren't > reflections on the cave wall? Gene, I look at shadows on the wall every day.... Sometimes that is the best place to look to understand what's going on. By the way, the cave paintings in France and the ancient aboriginal paintings of Australia have far greater significance than most people have thought about, I would suggest. In the meantime, I am just sitting here, kinda blowing around on the breeze, accidental like. How about you? I want to be an uncarved block, when I grow up, except on blustery days. Will, T2 >> I don't know Will, do you think there ever was a time that men >> weren't reflections on the cave wall? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Will, T2 Well, Will todays moving day, I rented a U-Haul truck for 3 days since the move is less that 5 miles. My son and some friends packed the first load, got to the apartment and discovered they had lost the only keys to the apartment I had. On top of that I'm barely able to limp with a torn calf muscle and my wife won't let me supervise or do anything. I am AWOL from the bed right now and will be shot on sight if caught. Today has been a barrel of monkeys or maybe that's monkey manure. It's one of those days when you yearn for tommorrow before the sun hits it's zenith. An uncarved blockhead lost the keys. Oh, well what can you do besides laugh. >Well, Will todays moving day, I rented a U-Haul truck for 3 days since the >move is less that 5 miles. My son and some friends packed the first load, >got to the apartment and discovered they had lost the only keys to the >apartment I had. On top of that I'm barely able to limp with a torn calf >muscle and my wife won't let me supervise or do anything. I am AWOL from >the bed right now and will be shot on sight if caught. Chief, I hope you feel better soon, and STAY OFF THAT LEG! Ugh, My friend, one of my own personal nightmares is to be incapacitated on moving day. That must be horrible!! >>Well, Will todays moving day, I rented a U-Haul truck for 3 days since >>the move is less that 5 miles. My son and some friends packed the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Ugh, My friend, one of my own personal nightmares is to be > incapacitated on moving day. That must be horrible!! Thanks, Chris. Every since the month of thirst, weight loss and what not my calf has felt a little tender right at it's center and down deep. Today something ripped when I was moving a box. I have no idea what tore but something did. Getting old is an cold drink of humility and swallowed as easily as a cup of warm sewage. How goes it with you? Well I hope. >>>Well, Will todays moving day, I rented a U-Haul truck for 3 days since >>>the move is less that 5 miles. My son and some friends packed the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >something ripped when I was moving a box. I have no idea what tore but >something did. Uhoh.. I'd suggest a visit to the Doc. Slow healing is unfortunately one of the problems Diabetes gives us. I had a slightly similar problem in November; I either tore muscles or tendons in my knee and bicep, and they took about two months to fully heal. I also discovered that gravity is hazardous for diabetics (I'd fallen off a ladder, hence the bad knee and arm). Could I suggest that you make sure you are getting enough vitamin K? It's essential for healing, and your diet was a bit limited. I'll list a few foods that are high in Vitamin K, by content. The suggested dietary intake is 80mcg, so all these would provide in excess of that. 830 - 800 mcg Swiss Chard Kale 540 - 500 Mcg Parsley 440 - 400 Mcg Brussel Sprouts Spinach 380 - 300 Mcg Purslane 270 - 200 Mcg Broccoli Turnip Greens Watercress Endive Lettuce Leaves Spring Onions 170 - 100 Mcg Mustard Greens Cabbage Lettuce, Butterhead Pistachio Nuts Coleslaw >How goes it with you? Well I hope. I've got a Doc's appointment Wednesday to look into the slight occasional tingling in my hands that I mentioned in the "strange neurological symptoms" thread I started a few days ago. Other than that, all is well here, thanks! Best of luck with the move.. > I am AWOL from > the bed right now and will be shot on sight if caught. Today has been a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Oh, well what can you do besides laugh. Gene, That sounds really bad... I sure hope things improve for you. Please get back if there is anything I can do.... Although from Virginia, I have no idea what that could be. Will >> I am AWOL from >> the bed right now and will be shot on sight if caught. Today has been [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Will Will, I've heard walking three times around a chicken could be just the ticket to dispell my bad luck. You got chickens in Virginia? > Will, I've heard walking three times around a chicken could be just the > ticket to dispell my bad luck. > > You got chickens in Virginia? Yeah, Gene, but it is hard to find any real chickens, such that you could walk around them.... For the most part around here they are kept up in chicken houses, under what some would call inhumane conditions, factory fed and medicated, so to speak... Then, just like ears of corn, or peas, or beans, they are harvested. i.e. taken to a plant and rendered, so to speak, into our food chain. That is one very big reason why I tend to be more, and more, vegetarian these days. I just don't like what happens with the animals we eat. I usually have lunch at a little Hindu place, where they all know me... Every time I come in the door, they fix me just what they know I like. I like it better, and somehow, I think the animals like it better, too. Mind you, I am not a strict vegetarian. I did have that leg of lamb with the Shiraz last night. So, if you are looking for a chicken in Virginia,Gene, so you can walk around him, you'll be looking for a long time! Will, T2 >> Will, I've heard walking three times around a chicken could be just >> the ticket to dispell my bad luck. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Will, T2 With my calf acting up I was hoping you had offered your services for the 'ring around the chicken' ceremony. In the chance I was right, a bucket of KFC might work. It's less messy if it's crispy and you won't feel like naming it. I had a friend who tried to be a chicken farmer but the chicks kept dying. He did finally figure out why. > With my calf acting up I was hoping you had offered your services for the > 'ring around the chicken' ceremony. In the chance I was right, a bucket [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I had a friend who tried to be a chicken farmer but the chicks kept > dying. He did finally figure out why. Hi Gene, I am so very sorry to hear of your situation... The only chicken ceremony I know would be a song on a party CD we have... "The Chicken Dance" Somehow, I do not think that was what you meant..... What do I do with the bucket of chicken? Will, T2 >> With my calf acting up I was hoping you had offered your services for >> the 'ring around the chicken' ceremony. In the chance I was right, a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Will, T2 My God man, a well educated man like yourself and you're stumped when in the presence of a bucket of chicken? What is the state of higher education coming to? Next you'll be asking me what to do with the feathers, eyes of Newt and goat blood. > My God man, a well educated man like yourself and you're stumped when in > the presence of a bucket of chicken? What is the state of higher > education > coming to? Next you'll be asking me what to do with the feathers, eyes of > Newt and goat blood. Gene, if you only knew all the drafts of a reply that I deleted, before I finally gave up... Mack understands, better than anyone I know around here... It is all about politics...chicken houses, rendering plants, etc. Nothing is what it seems. Will, T2 >> My God man, a well educated man like yourself and you're stumped when >> in the presence of a bucket of chicken? What is the state of higher [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Will, T2 It's like that here also. Georgia is a big poultry state and the Govenor is a Purdue of Purdue Chickens. Any bets if there is much interest in checking if bird flu is present? > It's like that here also. > > Georgia is a big poultry state and the Govenor is a Purdue of Purdue > Chickens. Any bets if there is much interest in checking if bird flu is > present? Gene, those guys are more afraid of bird flu than anyone else on the planet. Hell, we've got chicken farmers who are afraid to shake hands at MacDonald's, for fear that one of them might have the "bug" and give it to the other one.... They know that even if ONE of their birds gets sick, they are DONE, to the extend of maybe a million birds... Chicken farming is BIG, BIG business... It is all about production! Just like ears of corn, beans, or anything else in the way of commodities. Will, T2 >>> My God man, a well educated man like yourself and you're stumped when >>> in the presence of a bucket of chicken? What is the state of higher [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Chickens. Any bets if there is much interest in checking if bird flu is >present? I always thought California was #1 and Arkansas was #2 for chickens. So I googled and found http://www.farmland.org/farmingontheedge/major_toptwenty.htm The URL shows Georgia grows more chickens than anybody, but Arkansas processes more than anybody. Seems contradictory. Georgia More peanuts, pecans and poultry are grown in Georgia than in any other state. Georgia also ranks second in acres of cotton and rye and third in peaches and fresh market tomatoes. Poultry broilers continue to rank as Georgia's number one cash receipts commodity, representing 45 percent of the total cash receipts from sales of farm products. The average farm is 265 acres. Arkansas, a producer as well as an exporter of agricultural products, is the number one in the country in terms of poultry and poultry products sales in 1997, as well as of rice, rye, dry beans and other grains. In 2000 the State ranked 10th in agricultural exports with an estimated amount of $1.4 billion. Its broiler inventory is the also biggest in the U.S. The state is also first in acres of rice and 5th largest cotton producer. The 1997 average size of farm is 318 acres. The average market value of products sold per farm ($121,3888) increased since 1992 by 28 percent. >>Georgia is a big poultry state and the Govenor is a Purdue of Purdue >>Chickens. Any bets if there is much interest in checking if bird flu is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > shows Georgia grows more chickens than anybody, but Arkansas processes > more than anybody. Seems contradictory. More recent statistics from the USDA. http://www.ers.usda.gov/StateFacts/ Over 40 years ago California was about the biggest producer of cotton (short staple variety) and also produced a lot of potatoes (Kern County). Items some would not expect from California. Use the browser find feature to locate the table with the following info: Leading commdities for cash receipts, 2004 Arkansas: http://www.ers.usda.gov/StateFacts/AR.htm ---------------------------------------------------------- Rank........................Percent..............Percent...Value Item.............Value of..of total..Cumulative..of U.S....of U.S. .................receipts..receipts..percent 1/..value 2/..receipts 1 Broilers.....2,731,300..41.4......41.4.......13.4.....20,446,085 2 Rice...........808,021..12.2......53.6.......46.8......1,727,693 3 Soybeans.......766,264..11.6......65.2........4.2.....18,374,576 4 Cattle&calves..555,145...8.4......73.6........1.2.....47,295,573 5 Cotton.........464,672...7.0......80.6........8.6......5,405,215 Georgia: 1 Broilers....2,857,580...46.8......46.8.......14.0.....20,446,085 http://www.ers.usda.gov/News/broilercoverage.htm State broiler production, 2004: U.S.—8.7 billion birds Top 4 states = 50% of U.S. broiler production GA—1.3 billion (15 percent) AR—1.2 billion (14 percent) AL—1.1 billion (12 percent) MS—828 million (9 percent) NC—720 million (8 percent) TX—621 million (7 percent) KY—290 million (3 percent) MD—285 million (3 percent) The chicken geeks can have a big day! Frank >> My God man, a well educated man like yourself and you're stumped when in >> the presence of a bucket of chicken? What is the state of higher [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Mack understands, better than anyone I know around here... It is all about >politics...chicken houses, rendering plants, etc. U gott a rendering plant of Tyson's? We are Tyson central for chicken broiler houses, processing facilities, and rendering plants. When the wind is from the south to the north, the whole damn town becomes puckish since the smell from the rendering plant is so bad. When you see a 18 wheeler of chickens en route to the processing plant, change lanes or slam on the brakes and take a quick detour. The smell from those thousands of chickens is gut wrenching. Since a chicken is a very filthy animal often coated with its own droppings, those same droppings become airborne during transit to the processing plant. If you are behind one of those 18 wheelers, the stuff impacts your vehicle and stays for awhile. Talk about being shitted upon. A bouquet of roses for your loved one. _____________________________________________ http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free > U gott a rendering plant of Tyson's? We are Tyson central for chicken > broiler houses, processing facilities, and rendering plants. When the > wind is from the south to the north, the whole damn town becomes > puckish since the smell from the rendering plant is so bad. Yep. We have one in Accomack County, which is on the Eastern Shore, just south of the Maryland border. I drive by it often on my way to court. Will >>> My God man, a well educated man like yourself and you're stumped when in >>> the presence of a bucket of chicken? What is the state of higher [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >_____________________________________________ >http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free Note to self, profitable business ventures in Hi_There's state, car washes and pot-puree industries. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. That's just on his side of the state. We have cotton fields all around us on the opposite side. :) Billie : Note to self, profitable business ventures in Hi_There's state, car : washes and pot-puree industries. >That's just on his side of the state. We have cotton fields all around us on the opposite side. >:) >Billie Where are you located? West of town to the OK border is all hills. We have a lot of farming east of town. Rice and soybeans mostly with some corn, no cotton worth mentioning. There is a shitload of chicken businesses around here. >>>> My God man, a well educated man like yourself and you're stumped when in >>>> the presence of a bucket of chicken? What is the state of higher [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Note to self, profitable business ventures in Hi_There's state, car >washes and pot-puree industries. You ever been here? Beautiful rolling hills. >>> My God man, a well educated man like yourself and you're stumped when in >>> the presence of a bucket of chicken? What is the state of higher [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > vehicle and stays for awhile. Talk about being shitted upon. A > bouquet of roses for your loved one. Few animals are naturally filthy. Overcrowded, unnatural conditions creates filth, whether in animals or humans. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>> With my calf acting up I was hoping you had offered your services for >>> the 'ring around the chicken' ceremony. In the chance I was right, a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >coming to? Next you'll be asking me what to do with the feathers, eyes of >Newt and goat blood. if you really want to have some with that stuff meet me at the front door of either Pat Robertson's Complex or Gerry Falwell's Complex. We could give them nightmares for months. <grin> SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. >You got chickens in Virginia? we call them politicians. small, strutting, noisy, always molting and defecating where they live and eat. the only good ones are the ones you pluck and cook. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. >>You got chickens in Virginia? > > we call them politicians. small, strutting, noisy, always molting and > defecating where they live and eat. the only good ones are the ones > you pluck and cook. I thought ya'll liked that Warner guy. There's some talk of him running for rooster in chief. >> Everywhere else - life isn't always a box of >> chocolates. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >What would the world be like, if we could all be like Forrest Gump, I >wonder? He reminds me a little of the original "uncarved block" of humanity. Getting kinda old since it is on cable all the time. >>> Everywhere else - life isn't always a box of >>> chocolates. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > Getting kinda old since it is on cable all the time. Don't be so hard on yourself. sh.t happens, even on usenet! ;>) c > Ronetta@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote in news:15748-43D7FDBC-136 > @storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > to > not let this happen again. > Don't be so hard on yourself. sh.t happens, even on usenet! ;>) > c [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> and I will try to >> not let this happen again. Thanks Colleen - and yes it does. I just wish it would happen so often in my case. >Thanks Colleen - and yes it does. I just wish it would happen so often in >my case. But, Chief, think of the golden opportunity you have just given us! I'm talking the makings of a mega guilt trip here! <grin> >>Thanks Colleen - and yes it does. I just wish it would happen so often >>in my case. > > But, Chief, think of the golden opportunity you have just given us! > I'm talking the makings of a mega guilt trip here! <grin> What can I say - I grew up a guilt ridden Catholic. >Don't be so hard on yourself. sh.t happens, even on usenet! ;>) >c Even??? Often:-)) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. |
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