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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2006America attacked and Bush does nothing
Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and the state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do anything - nothing. Wonder what part of the job of President does Bush intend to do? Wasn't defend the borders one of his responsibilities. The more Bush remains the more it looks like the repugs elected the most incompetent a.shole possible. This has to be another first. The first crossing of our borders by a hostile military force since when? The last time Mexico did it? What a laugh. The Piece of sh.t President is not even protecting our borders from the armed forces of a foreign country and the stupid repugs feel more secure - what a laugh. Must be that creationist 'god' barrier they are depending on. What a laugh. A friend of mine at Fort Hood said the first they heard of it was on CNN. That really says a bunch about Bush's Homeland security department. It took a bunch of local cops to turn them back - what a laugh. I wonder, maybe some of the drivers have a whitehouse pass or photos of the president and them shaking hands. Gee, this week has been a tough one for the repugs. E-mails proving Bush Knew New Orleans was going to flood while his face is caught saying nobody knew. Photos of Abramoff and Bush while the dumbshit puts on his best Alfred E. Newman look and says "Abramoff who?" Mean while The Iranians are building nukes, North Korea already has a bunch, and a new study by the repug pentagon says the Army is going to break if the Iraq war continue for much longer. That means either Bush will have to "Cut and Run" like he likes to pin on democrats or start a draft. I sure hope it's a draft. I can't wait to hear the crying from the repugs when their a.s or their children's has to go to a worthless war. But, given the Bush dislike of wars that draft the sons of his contributors I'll bet it's "Cut and Run" he will choose but the repugs will call it 'advancing to the rear'. What a laugh Gee, looks like the Plame investigation is expanding to the reasons for the Iraqi war and the Abramsoff investigation has barely started. The stonewalling of the Katrina investigation seems to be pissing off even some repugs and promises to be a good read in the future. All in All, a wonderful week. Only way to top this off would be a world wide Kool Aid sponsored rapture event. Hell I'd contribute enough to pay for some body bags or ('personal god vehicles') PGV's as I like to think of them. snippage Chief, I'm surprised by your adding political rhetoric to this DM NG. As much as I've enjoyed conversing with you in the past, rest assured you will be added to my KF. (Not that you probably care, but I like to inform plonkees so that they don't waste time responding to me in the future). I consider giving notice a courtesy. Sorry you've decided to post such drivel on this NG. take care. Dave > snippage > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > future). I consider giving notice a courtesy. Sorry you've decided to > post such drivel on this NG. take care. I'm assuming it was intended to be posted to another group. Wild Monkshood > Dave >> snippage >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >> Dave I'm hoping that's the case! I'd miss him, but then again... Dave > I'm assuming it was intended to be posted to another group. > >Wild Monkshood I wondered the same thing, or at the very least why it doesn't have the handy dandy little "OT - " in the front of the subject line. OTOH, as soon as I read it I wanted to shout out, "RIGHT ON CHIEF!!"  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 24, 2006 is 2,237. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >> snippage >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >> Dave Yes - sorry. My brother and I mess with each other in another news group - I try to pull his chain when I can. David <David@invalid.com> wrote in news:vs-dnb6j- LfFMErenZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@comcast.com: > snippage > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dave It was meant to another - sorry. > Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and the > state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do anything - > nothing. These were not Mexican soldiers," Aguilar told a news conference. "It is known that these are drug traffickers using military uniforms and they were not even regulation military uniforms" http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/01/25/mexico.border.ap/index.html SignatureJoe W T2 Nov '05 30mg Actos,3gr Cinnamon, Diet(100 carbs) & 3 mile walk(everyday) & BowFlex(3x a week) *****Diabetes, be proactive, not reactive.***** If we impeach George Bush, who will replace him? Vice-President Dick Chaney will replace him. Think before you speak! That will solve all you Bush bashers problems won't it. >> Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and >> the state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/01/25/mexico.border.ap/index.html PLONK for responding to OT drivel. this belongs in a different NG. So do you. Gawd, I love filters! Dave > PLONK for responding to OT drivel. this belongs in a different NG. So do > you. Gawd, I love filters! > > Dave Did you PLONK yourself for replying too? ROFL! SignatureJoe W T2 Nov '05 30mg Actos,3gr Cinnamon, Diet(100 carbs) & 3 mile walk(everyday) & BowFlex(3x a week) *****Diabetes, be proactive, not reactive.***** If we impeach George Bush, who will replace him? Vice-President Dick Chaney will replace him. That will make the Bush-bashers happy. >> PLONK for responding to OT drivel. this belongs in a different NG. So do >> you. Gawd, I love filters! >> >> Dave > >Did you PLONK yourself for replying too? ROFL! Joe, David thinks the "PLONK" is a club that you can use on anyone he wants. Of course there is no real way to know whether he really puts anyone in his KF. When it comes right down to it, who really cares? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 24, 2006 is 2,237. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >>> Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and >>> the state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Dave I'm really sorry. I thought this was going elsewhere. > I'm really sorry. I thought this was going elsewhere. Glad to hear it was just an error! I'd miss seeing your posts here that don't contain the political "stuff". (I'm trying to not comment on the content, other than it's inappropriate for this NG). I didn't KF earlier after reading what Wild said about your post going to the wrong NG. Good to have you around, Gene...er...Chief! :) Dave >> I'm really sorry. I thought this was going elsewhere. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dave Good to be around. I agree the group is good as it is and needs no spicy sauce to raise the Bg or the dander. Hey, a question about insulin. I read the normal paperwork that came with the two insulins but didn't see much to worry about. For side effects it mentions inject site problems but for the rest it pretty much lists just hypos as the major side effect. Do you know of any others? The reason I asked is that I have become very forgetful lately. Stupid things like missing the 24 hour injection more often than not. That's not like me. >Hey, a question about insulin. I read the normal paperwork that came with >the two insulins but didn't see much to worry about. For side effects it >mentions inject site problems but for the rest it pretty much lists just >hypos as the major side effect. Do you know of any others? The reason I >asked is that I have become very forgetful lately. Stupid things like >missing the 24 hour injection more often than not. That's not like me. Chief, are you on statins by any chance? Those are known to have that side effect in some cases. > Chief, are you on statins by any chance? Those are known to have that > side effect in some cases. Yes, the VA doc put me on simvastatin. I'm tossing that junk out today if I can remember:) Thnks for mentioning that. >> Chief, are you on statins by any chance? Those are known to have that >> side effect in some cases. > >Yes, the VA doc put me on simvastatin. I'm tossing that junk out today if I >can remember:) Thnks for mentioning that. Whoa! Please let some of the more knowledgable here weigh in, or better yet a doc. However, Statins have a plethora of side effects, and not all are in the prescribing information. Simvastatin (Zocor), for example, is known to cause tendinitis and joint problems, and that is not in it's prescribing information (same for mental effects). Simvastatin binds to human plasma proteins, and does cross the blood-brain barrier. Just in case your Doc or pharmacist did not give you the prescribing information, it's here: http://www.zocor.com/simvastatin/zocor/consumer/product_information/pi/index.jsp I note with interest that the only brain/psychological item they list in the study is "headache". I found this set of user experiences interesting: http://www.medications.com/go/se/Zocor I've done a little research on statins in the past, due to my Mother being on them and having mental foggyness. She tried two different statins, and had no better results, so stopped taking them. Since that time, her mental situation has cleared. >>> Chief, are you on statins by any chance? Those are known to have >>> that side effect in some cases. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > statins, and had no better results, so stopped taking them. Since that > time, her mental situation has cleared. Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. I was going to wait before taking the pills he gave me until I saw the endo but went ahead after reading the propaganda at the Zocor site. So I think waiting a couple weeks until I see my diabetes doc can't hurt and might be the best thing to do anyway. Don't worry. I'm not a 'fly by the seat of your pants' type of guy. >Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it >wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. Which begs the question, WHY did he prescribe it? > I was going to wait before >taking the pills he gave me until I saw the endo but went ahead after >reading the propaganda at the Zocor site. So I think waiting a couple >weeks until I see my diabetes doc can't hurt and might be the best thing >to do anyway. My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many horror stories about side effects, some permanent. >>Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it >>wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. > > Which begs the question, WHY did he prescribe it? So he can eat ice cream. didn't your momma teach you anything, Chris?? Dave >>Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it >>wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. > > Which begs the question, WHY did he prescribe it? A suggestion: when an off-topic thread strays back ON topic, not only remove the OT, change the subject line. SignatureWes Groleau ---- The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson >>>Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it >>>wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >A suggestion: when an off-topic thread strays back ON topic, >not only remove the OT, change the subject line. Thanks, Wes.. Good point!!! I guess thread drift doesn't just run through ASD, it gallops... :-) >>>Chris, My cholesterol was ok on the last labs. The doc that prescribed it >>>wasn't my diabetes endo but a VA doctor. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >A suggestion: when an off-topic thread strays back ON topic, >not only remove the OT, change the subject line. Did you know, Wes, that C.S. Lewis said he never read newspapers... they were too much of a distaction from what was really important! Will, T2 > On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:38:10 GMT, Wes Groleau >>A suggestion: when an off-topic thread strays back ON topic, >>not only remove the OT, change the subject line. > > Did you know, Wes, that C.S. Lewis said he never read newspapers... > they were too much of a distaction from what was really important! I didn't know that, but he's right. :-) SignatureWes Groleau Truth often suffers more from the heat of its defenders than from the arguments of its opposers. -- William Penn > My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many > horror stories about side effects, some permanent. Mine's trying to do that to me, too, even though my cholesterol levels are fine. Grrr. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >> My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many >> horror stories about side effects, some permanent. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Nicky. What is you cholesterol level Nicky? Will, T2 >>> My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many >>> horror stories about side effects, some permanent. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What is you cholesterol level Nicky? These are results from July - I've had another set that were not so good, but still very healthy, but I've filed them somewhere! It was in any case after these results that the doc wanted me to go on a statin. I wish they'd look on test strips as a preventative, and leave my head alone! Total chol..3.81 mmol/l.........147 Trig........0.78..... [.3-1.7]...69 HDL.........1.29......[1.3-2]....50 LDL.........2.16.................83 Trigs/HDL....0.6...............1.38 Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >>>> My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many >>>> horror stories about side effects, some permanent. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Nicky. Well, Nicky, I am no doctor, but your results look fine to me. I have read somewhere, though, that some doctors are pushing their patients to get total cholesterol down to 120, or so.... Also, the relative balance of all the factors is important. You might want to get a second opinion, if you have doubts. I know a lot of people who have had problems with statins. Will, T2 >>>>> My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many >>>>> horror stories about side effects, some permanent. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Will, T2 Fine? To me they look bloody brilliant. I have to use a statin (lipitor20mg) to get my LDL into the good area but the rest are similar. Why any doctor would suggest a statin for those numbers is beyond me - particularly when the trig/HDL ratio is so good. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > These are results from July - I've had another set that were not so good, > but still very healthy, but I've filed them somewhere! It was in any case [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > LDL.........2.16.................83 > Trigs/HDL....0.6...............1.38 Welcome to the New World! Your LDL levels were fine...last year. My LDL levels were fine...last year. Now they aren't any more. I'm not arguing with my doctor, he is just passing on the latest and the greatest. Still, it's discouraging that once you learn the numbers, then they change them on you. According to my doctor, for a diabetic, the new LDL guideline is less than 70! I have been on statins for years, but had to switch to a new, more powerful one. SignatureDan Abel dabel@sonic.net Petaluma, California, USA > According to my doctor, for a diabetic, the new LDL guideline is less > than 70! I have been on statins for years, but had to switch to a new, > more powerful one. But what if most of your LDL is the good, fluffy kind?! Makes no sense to me. I think that's something else they're treating in isolation, not holistically. I read the reports that say C-reactive protein (i.e. inflammation) is a better marker for heart disease than LDL levels, and keep popping my baby aspirin and reading Quentin's nutrition posts! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg > These are results from July - I've had another set that were not so good, > but still very healthy, but I've filed them somewhere! It was in any case [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > LDL.........2.16.................83 > Trigs/HDL....0.6...............1.38 On Dec 2 2005 you reported these figures ( Now) from a recent test ... Total chol..July 3.81 mmol/l Now 4.5 (was 3.3 a couple of years ago) Trig........July 0.78 Now 0.8 HDL.........July 1.29 Now 1.3 LDL.........July 2.16 Now 2.8 HTH >> These are results from July - I've had another set that were not so good, >> but still very healthy, but I've filed them somewhere! It was in any case [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > HDL.........July 1.29 Now 1.3 > LDL.........July 2.16 Now 2.8 Thanks, Peter - I've since found the paper copy, but it's useful to have an electronic set as well! But like I say, it was the earlier results that prompted my GP to start talking statins. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >> My Doc tried to put me on Statins, but I refused. I've read too many >> horror stories about side effects, some permanent. > >Mine's trying to do that to me, too, even though my cholesterol levels are >fine. Grrr. What is the reasoning being given to you for this? In my case, my cholesterol is a bit high, but it was down massively from 3 months prior at Dx. So, I wanted time to see if it continued to decrease. > What is the reasoning being given to you for this? quote, All diabetics should be on a statin, unquote. Bah! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >> What is the reasoning being given to you for this? > >quote, All diabetics should be on a statin, unquote. Bah! Congratulations on keeping your temper. If any Doc makes an absolute statement like that to me, they had better be able to follow it up with the "why". I admit I'm biased on Statins; I've seen way too many reports of side effects, especially of the psychological variety, to be comfortable with them unless they are badly needed and all else has failed. What really bothers me is that's it's known they are plasma-binding and cross the blood-brain barrier with great efficiency, yet I can't find any data indicating any study was done on the psychological effects of the things. I was curious as to what those that did many of the studies on the subject of statins and diabetes had to say. so I went to www.diabetes.org and typed statins in the search box in the upper right corner. it led me to 11 different links to the results of many studies. or you can press the really really long link. http://google.diabetes.org/search?q=Statins&ie=&site=my_collection&restrict=main _site%7Cstore%7Cvgs&output=xml_no_dtd&client=my_collection&btnG.y=0&btnG.y=0&lr= &btnG.x=0&btnG.x=0&proxystylesheet=my_collection&oe=&Search.x=2&Search.y=9 SignatureTom Exercise Today = Life Tomorrow Information you can trust from the diabetes experts... Your American Diabetes Association http://www.diabetes.org/home.jsp the American Diabetes Association's Message Boards http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=amdiabetesz&nav=index ADA's Diabetes Learning Center http://diabetes.org/about-diabetes.jsp Joslin Center Beginner's Guide. http://www.joslin.org/Beginners_guide.asp Pictures of My motorcycle and I think 2 of my doggies. http://www.adventurseofvtx1300c.com.50megs.com/photo.html >I was curious as to what those that did many of the studies on the subject >of statins and diabetes had to say. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >http://google.diabetes.org/search?q=Statins&ie=&site=my_collection&restrict=main _site%7Cstore%7Cvgs&output=xml_no_dtd&client=my_collection&btnG.y=0&btnG.y=0&lr= &btnG.x=0&btnG.x=0&proxystylesheet=my_collection&oe=&Search.x=2&Search.y=9 Thanks... I've read most of these in the past. The problem with many of them is lack of specifics. For example, they don't mention the cholesterol levels in the test subjects prior to starting. I'm especially dubious as there is no mention of the side effects of statins, especially the psychological ones, or rarer ones such as tendonitis. In spite of much searching, I've also yet to find a good explanation of why Statins should be prescribed for someone without high cholesterol. > Thanks... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > of why Statins should be prescribed for someone without high > cholesterol. I can't find a good reason for them to be prescribed for anyone. Pantethine has the same benefits with none of the risks. My mother, who was in perfectly good health, was crippled by statin use, not by tendonitis, but my muscle myopathy. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I can't find a good reason for them to be prescribed for anyone. >Pantethine has the same benefits with none of the risks. If my next cholesterol test is high, I'll be trying that too... Thanks for mentioning this in the past, as that was what spurred me to look into it. >My mother, who was in perfectly good health, was crippled by statin use, >not by tendonitis, but my muscle myopathy. Susan, I'm very sorry to hear this. Any chance of improvement over time? My best wishes to you both. > Susan, I'm very sorry to hear this. Any chance of improvement over > time? > > My best wishes to you both. Thanks, Chris. She improved over time, once I got her to a neuromuscular specialist and she spent over a year on high dose steroids, which also made her miserable. She's never gotten all her strength back, though, but the intense pain, weakness and muscle breakdown is gone. Irony is that she had great ratios, and that statins aren't to be rx'ed for those over 75, which she was. She never needed them, but her doctor just kept looking at the LDL number and treating it for no good reason. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >strength back, though, but the intense pain, weakness and muscle >breakdown is gone. I'm glad she is doing better... >Irony is that she had great ratios, and that statins aren't to be rx'ed >for those over 75, which she was. I had no idea about the over 75 part... My Mom was Rx'd them at age 77. The most I've seen is the fact that the statin studies rarely included anyone over 75. Still, I do know the RX guidelines say that it's for above age 40 in most cases, and my Doc tried to put me on them last year (when I was 38). > She never needed them, but her doctor >just kept looking at the LDL number and treating it for no good reason. Ugh... Has there ever been a study done to see how much, exactly, borderline (LDL levels) patients benefit from statins, and also what the risks really are? Or are they just basing all this on extrapolations and the original studies (which didn't even look at the psychological side).? >I can't find a good reason for them to be prescribed for anyone. >Pantethine has the same benefits with none of the risks. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Susan I think you've seen the posts where I listed results of my experiments. I've tried pantethine (absolutely no effect on me), Pravachol, various supplements, dietary changes - and the only thing that will keep my LDL in bounds is lipitor20mg. I wish it was otherwise, but I'm afraid it's the case for me. YMMV. I don't get any side-effects. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > I think you've seen the posts where I listed results of my > experiments. I've tried pantethine (absolutely no effect on > me), Alan, what I recall was that you were unable to get pantethine and substituted pantothenic acid instead. Not the same thing, no such study results for PA. Pravachol, various supplements, dietary changes - and > the only thing that will keep my LDL in bounds is > lipitor20mg. I wish it was otherwise, but I'm afraid it's > the case for me. YMMV. I don't get any side-effects. I hope you're able to get your hands on some real pantethine at some point. If you have and I missed it, I'll stand corrected. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Susan I'm not a chemist, but as I remember it, it was also known as Vit B5. You're probably right, I'll look into it. But I do keep in mind that I don't get any of the dreaded side effects. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >do keep in mind that I don't get any of the dreaded side >effects. Alan, when did you go on Statins, relative to the onset of your frozen shoulder problems? The reason I ask is that one of the often unmentioned side effects experienced by some people is tendonitis and joint problems. >>>x-no-archive: yes >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >unmentioned side effects experienced by some people is tendonitis and >joint problems. Hi Chris I first started on lipitor around 2000. I had no side effects; at one time I thought occasional night cramps were a result but I have actually had problems with those for many years before that. It was a blood test for a repeat prescription for the lipitor that disclosed my CLL in 2002. It was part of the battery of blood tests from that which diagnosed the type 2. I started trialling alternatives to lipitor after reading here. Unfortunately none worked for me, as I mentioned. I didn't start feeling the FS symptoms in my shoulder until some time last year, so relating it to the lipitor is drawing a long bow. My sister had rotator cuff surgery last year and there may be a hereditary link. It has improved quite remarkably since I started swimming again, but it's still painful, particularly when I forget and move my arm suddenly. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:32:22 -0700, Chris J. >>Alan, when did you go on Statins, relative to the onset of your frozen >>shoulder problems? The reason I ask is that one of the often [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >a result but I have actually had problems with those for >many years before that. >It was a blood test for a repeat prescription for the >lipitor that disclosed my CLL in 2002. It was part of the >battery of blood tests from that which diagnosed the type 2. Ouch, you certainly got hit by a lot at once. Congratulations on dealing with it all so well. >I started trialling alternatives to lipitor after reading >here. Unfortunately none worked for me, as I mentioned. If you are having no side effects, IMHO the best policy is "If it works, don't fix it." >I didn't start feeling the FS symptoms in my shoulder until >some time last year, so relating it to the lipitor is >drawing a long bow. Indeed. If it was within six months, I'd be suspicious, but over that long a time period I wouldn't. >>I started trialling alternatives to lipitor after reading >>here. Unfortunately none worked for me, as I mentioned. > >If you are having no side effects, IMHO the best policy is "If it >works, don't fix it." My sentiments exactly. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > I'm not a chemist, but as I remember it, it was also known > as Vit B5. You're probably right, I'll look into it. But I > do keep in mind that I don't get any of the dreaded side > effects. B5 is not pantethine, it's pantothenic acid. Not analogous. Susan Alan, the lipitor worked great for me except for the side effects. The muscle pain in my legs was horrendous, even bringing me to tears sometimes. If I could tolerate it, I'd surely continue it, but with the severity of the neuropathy in my legs and feet (irreversible - totally dead nerves, and all of it caused by dm), I don't think it would be a good idea. Wonder if my leg problems contribute to the lipitor side effects? Maybe they don't have enough of whatever is needed to combat the lipitor actions. Billie in AR : >Susan : [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : : Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >>> I'm really sorry. I thought this was going elsewhere. >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > asked is that I have become very forgetful lately. Stupid things like > missing the 24 hour injection more often than not. That's not like me. Well, one side effect of insulin is that it will undoubtedly improve your health! :) (Unless taken in unhealthy quantities--too little or too much). It's a powerful substance, so learn all you can about it. dave > Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and the > state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do anything - [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > event. Hell I'd contribute enough to pay for some body bags or ('personal > god vehicles') PGV's as I like to think of them. Bush will turn his head and do nothing. He is in bed with Vicente Fox and I wonder which one is on top. Anon | > Amazing, a convoy of military vehicles cross the Mexican border and the | > state has to respond because the Federal Government doesn't do anything - [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] | | Anon LOL better be Bush.. otherwise he's not in missionary position and thats against the USMJ code.. tis tis... thats a court martial offense. shame shame on the Commander and Chief.. not leading by example. RK errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! last time I let her set up my system. hehehehehe Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. c > errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! > last time I let her set up my system. thx colleen :-) RK | hehehehehe | [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | > errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! | > last time I let her set up my system. Well I had stopped for awhile because I got really busy again. Tomorrow I see my new doc. She came highly recommended not only by my former doc but also my NP. Now I have an entirely female medical team. My Opthamologist is female also. "Bout time. c > thx colleen :-) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > | > errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! > | > last time I let her set up my system. thats great! yeah, I dont have any men on my medical team now either. all females -- i find they understand us a bit better and not so fast to say it's all in our heads lol. good to have you back also.. i've been swamped too, dealing with life and such. rk | Well I had stopped for awhile because I got really busy again. Tomorrow I | see my new doc. She came highly recommended not only by my former doc but [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] | > | > errr i'm going to kill my kid! i just noticed the name on here. UG! | > | > last time I let her set up my system. > thats great! yeah, I dont have any men on my medical team > now either. all females -- i find they understand us a bit better > and not so fast to say it's all in our heads lol. Male shrinks are the worst. My last GP was male and I never, ever felt put down, talked down to, or in anyway diminished because of my mental illness or my gender. > good to have you back also.. i've been swamped too, dealing > with life and such. Yeah, sometimes the life stuff gets shunted aside for the such stuff. Cleaned the studio today. I usually sneak up on it when I go back to the easel. I have other things going on the rest of this week then next week it's paint time. Did my drawing in Photoshop today. Fun. c > rk > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > UG! > | > | > last time I let her set up my system. >> thats great! yeah, I dont have any men on my medical team >> now either. all females -- i find they understand us a bit better [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> UG! >> | > | > last time I let her set up my system. Where's your work? I'd like to see it. I work with Lightwave and photoshop along with a bunch of other stuff. Mostly 3D animation and modeling. I hope I get my vision to unblur enough to go back to it eventually. Gene I'll put some of the finals up on the web this AM. I'll make a new post for them. It'll be about an hour. Gotta have the coffee kick in first. c I just started using CS2. Great program and a whole helluva lotta fun. >>> thats great! yeah, I dont have any men on my medical team >>> now either. all females -- i find they understand us a bit better [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Gene >I'll put some of the finals up on the web this AM. I'll make a new post for >them. It'll be about an hour. Gotta have the coffee kick in first. > >c > >I just started using CS2. Great program and a whole helluva lotta fun. CS2? Not fa,iliar with it, am having a brain fart. >> Where's your work? I'd like to see it. I work with Lightwave and >> photoshop along with a bunch of other stuff. Mostly 3D animation and >> modeling. I hope I get my vision to unblur enough to go back to it >> eventually. >> >> Gene You know I have yet to see a copy of LightWave on any store shelf locally. Bryce and a few others I've seen. What does lightwave run $$ wise? I've seen the end products from lightwave, quite impressive. SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. It's the latest version of Photoshop. Some really fun new features on it. Lots of autmation, file sorting stuff and some really cool new tools. It's my favorite toy. c >>I'll put some of the finals up on the web this AM. I'll make a new post >>for [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > locally. Bryce and a few others I've seen. What does lightwave run > $$ wise? I've seen the end products from lightwave, quite impressive. >>I'll put some of the finals up on the web this AM. I'll make a new >>post for them. It'll be about an hour. Gotta have the coffee kick in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > locally. Bryce and a few others I've seen. What does lightwave run > $$ wise? I've seen the end products from lightwave, quite impressive. It's the best in my opinion for cost/feature. LW is used in TV and Movies every year and has won an Emmy for the last 5 years for special effects. The prices are dropping yearly, It's around 860.00 now at Safe Harbour http://www.sharbor.com/ I paid 2495.00 ten years ago and anywhere from 395 to 695 for yearly upgrades. The driving force in the industry today which is Autodesk - they make autocad, 3D Max, and just brought Maya. That leaves small companies like Newtek scrambling to keep market share so right now the prices are depressed but that's not to say it's a good price - it may go lower. Even worse the small companies may fold up shop then you have a program that isn't supported anymore. Chief it is no big deal , really, It justs allows people who dont want to get into those things to know it is not about diabetes. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Ronetta@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote in news:10701-43D9222B-116 @storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net: > Chief it is no big deal , really, It justs allows people who dont want > to get into those things to know it is not about diabetes. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. OT - got it. >thx colleen :-) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. >| c Hi RK! Glad to see you back! >>| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. >>| c > > Hi RK! Glad to see you back! I think I'm going to gag. Dave >>>| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. >>>| c [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Dave Is that a promise? ;-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 24, 2006 is 2,237. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. interesting, a totally unprovoked post, and jackass has to start in on me. typical. too bad everyone doesn't put him on total KF, where he belongs. | >>>| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. | >>>| c [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | | Is that a promise? ;-) If those of us who have been here for many moons were to do that we wouldn't see it when he starts in with his b.s. on some poor newbie. That certainly doesn't mean we have to give him the attention he craves so freaking much. >interesting, a totally unprovoked post, and jackass has to >start in on me. typical. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >| >| Is that a promise? ;-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 24, 2006 is 2,237. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. I agree and that's why I didn't KF him before, until his attacks started in on me. As much as I have to deal with in life, his crap is one that I can block because I simply do not need it. I agree, there are a few here that need to keep an eye on the stalking net kook, but its the ones that condone his behavior I'll be KF now.. I don't have time to tread through all the posts and worry about someone condoning his ill behavior. One already made it there. Like you, mack and bruce and few others I appreciate trying to keep this place cleaned up and forewarn others -- you won't land in my kf. Thanks for all you do. You are a gentleman! Reisa | If those of us who have been here for many moons were to do that we | wouldn't see it when he starts in with his b.s. on some poor newbie. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] | >| | >| Is that a promise? ;-) >I agree and that's why I didn't KF him before, until his attacks >started in on me. As much as I have to deal with in life, his crap [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Reisa Shouted over my shoulder after reading this, "Hey Honey, Reisa agrees with you and Susan. She says I am a gentleman too. Gee! I'm getting a real fan club following. Must be doing something right." SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >>>| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. >>>| c [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Dave Dave, you are one funny guy! Will, T2 how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because of that jackass, and I was asked to come back and asked others nicely not to reply to his verbal abuse towards me. I'm not leaving again, but I will from this point on put anyone who replys to him and condones his attacks on me in my KF, I simply don't have time to sort out and read such trash. g'day Mr. McKee. RK who's been here longer then the well known net stalking kook BayAreaDave aka Dave. (google doesn't lie!) | >>>| Hi, RK. Nice to see ya posting again. | >>>| c [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | | Will, T2 << I'm not leaving again, but I will from this point on put anyone who replys to him and condones his attacks on me in my KF>> G A S P !!!! Reisa knows what she is talking about. She's one smart lady to KF Dave, aka BayAreaDave, rather than even seeing his attacks come up on her screen. >how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >| >| Will, T2 SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >| >| Will, T2 Hi Reisa, This is not my fight. I do not care if you and Dave do not get along... It is OK with me.. I like you both... I am sorry for both you and Dave that you seem such antagonists, though. I sometimes think laughter is a way to defuse ridiculous situations.... If Dave wants to gag, so what? I respectfully suggest that the better way would be to learn to breathe, sit, and laugh it off.... Quite frankly, I do not understand what is going on with you two, but it has nothing to do with me... I think you are OK. But, please, let's chill.... And, I wish you a good day today, tomorrow, and every day, sincerely I do... :-) Will, T2 >>how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >>were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Will, T2 Dear Will, Dave is quite often cruel and insulting to many people. He has been especially so to RK. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>>how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >>>were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >Dave is quite often cruel and insulting to many people. >He has been especially so to RK. Hi Evelyn, Good morning. Remember little the kids song, "Good morning to you, good morning to you, We're all in our places, with smiles on our faces.. Good morning to you! :-) I am beginning to realize that there are some really bad feelings there between RK and David, which I just don't understand. I really mean no offense to either one of them, and RK, if I offended you, I apologize..... As a rule, I do not butt into other people's fights. Will, T2 >>>>how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >>>>were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > Will, T2 Hi Will, It can be all too human for people to join in with the rivalries of others, and perhaps nearly divine to remain above the contention. But few of us are divine enough to be immune to seeing others suffer cruelty and say nothing. Dave has been cruel not just to RK, but to many people here. There are some people in this world who are suffering deeply from whatever problems they may have, and strike out cruelly at others. It could be because they resent/fear having this rotten illness, or it could be because there are other issues in their lives they can't seem to get past. Whatever the cause, it pays to engender the utmost compassion for them. It takes years of spiritual cultivation to be able to generate the kind of compassion that can encompass cruel and angry people along with the nice sweet ones, yet almost all religions encourage that principle. Sometimes such persons will say they don't want kindness or compassion. They may have come to a place where the adrenaline rush of anger is almost an addiction to them, and the only human "currency" they can offer others, often believing irrationally, that in pushing others down, they elevate themselves. Yet in our hearts we know that human beings can and sometimes do actually change, and if they do change it will be from kindness that engenders wisdom, not from the anger they know so very well how to respond to for all of their lives, almost by habit. Being kind to an evilly motivated person is *really* throwing them the last rope that can save them from their own hatred, but often the crowd can misunderstands it, thinking that it means acceptance of the persons misdeeds or more nasty behavior. Knowing you a little better personally, ought to help and remedy that illusion, but all too often our own fear of such people creates this kind of misunderstanding, and such is the way of our world, unfortunately. Reisa, Will is just a really kind guy. He is even kind to bay area dave. Don't be mad at him for it. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>>>>how nice of you to condone his ill behavior. here I thought you >>>>>were an upstanding gentleman. guess I was wrong. I left because [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] >He is even kind to bay area dave. >Don't be mad at him for it. Evelyn, you are so very wise. Thanks. Coming from you, those are golden words. I could not have said better, myself, had I tried all day. Will, T2 | Reisa, Will is just a really kind guy. | He is even kind to bay area dave. | Don't be mad at him for it. Thank you Eveyln, Yes, I know this, but for me to remain, I have to and will KF anyone other then a select few who reply to the "cyberstalker" -- Everyone says to ignore the trolls, well I am as should everyone. The "cyberstalker" doesn't deserve any kindness, he deserves to be completely ignored so like a good little troll he'll run away. -- btw I know the cyberstalker will read this.. so tell your little friends that are sending me harassing, threatening emails., I've already turned them over to my local police, along with copies of your posts attacking me and the google threads of your past stalking that others have called you on in other newsgroups -- definately a pattern we're seeing here. I accept your apology Will, but until I know you're not going to reply to the cyberstalker when he makes a taunting cruel comment to me -- I can't risk having you there to read and seeing it -- my glucose doesn't deserve that. Reisa >| Reisa, Will is just a really kind guy. >| He is even kind to bay area dave. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Reisa Reisa, I really have no idea of what has happened between you and Dave... All I can say is that it obviously causes a lot of pain for you, and probably for him, as well. And, I am totally clueless about the cyberstalking thing. I have absolutely no idea of what that is all about, and I am not sure I want to know. But, if it is true, I understand your felt need to protect yourself. If it means anything, I am here for you, and I do care very much for you. And, I generally appreciate your posts and contributions a great deal. In the future, I will try to be more careful and not respond to Dave in a way that you might misconstrue. But, I am on friendly terms with him, as well. A couple of days ago, I had no idea you would be so offended. I was just fooling around. I should have been more thoughtful and reflective. Returning to your stress levels and glucose for a moment, I was really serious about suggesting some breathing exercises, meditations, and sitting... and then laughing some of this stuff off. It is part of how I have kept my own sanity and kept my own glucose in check. Along those lines, if I can ever offer any helpful suggestions, I would invite you to contact me via email, or on here, at any time. And then, you know Evelyn, who is a gem beyond comparing. Peace, Will > | Reisa, Will is just a really kind guy. > | He is even kind to bay area dave. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Reisa Reisa, they just passed a new law about cyber harassment.... let's hope the news of this has trickled down to the lower levels of existence where such trolls live ......among the other worms and scum. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > | Reisa, Will is just a really kind guy. > | He is even kind to bay area dave. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Reisa LOL! sounds like you've irritated others besides me; the only difference being they are bothering you with emails?? Let the police sort it out. Let us know when (or IF) they find anyone who's broken the law. as you know, I haven't communicated via email with you since we collaborated on the DM document last year. after you became rude to me on the NG I saw no reason to email you any further. Dave I remember when you were great friends, I hope you will be again someday. As you know, a certain poster and I have had an ongoing battle for a few years, really rude and hateful things going on. One day not so long ago, I looked at a post I had made to him, and I knew it was cruel and hurtful, and I told myself...never again. Since then, he and I have had civil conversations in the NG, and I've enjoyed his posts a lot. I wish that could happen for both of you, and that's all I'm going to say about that. :-) -- Cheri >law. as you know, I haven't communicated via email with you since we >collaborated on the DM document last year. after you became rude to me >on the NG I saw no reason to email you any further. > >Dave > I remember when you were great friends, I hope you will be again > someday. As you know, a certain poster and I have had an ongoing battle [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >>Dave Cheri, that would work only if both parties were mentally stable. :) She who is nameless has obviously got serious mental and personality disorders. Look at this thread, as an example. she thinks someone (me? Ha!) has put others up to sending emails to her?? that's delusional. Mary and I discuss the goings on between ourselves, but we don't discuss this NG with our friends. This NG is too bizarre to bring up elsewhere. dave >> I remember when you were great friends, I hope you will be again >> someday. As you know, a certain poster and I have had an ongoing battle [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Cheri, that would work only if both parties were mentally stable. :) Which means Dave isn't likely to be well enough for that anytime soon. >Mary and I discuss the goings on between ourselves, but we don't discuss >this NG with our friends. This NG is too bizarre to bring up elsewhere. Besides, he wouldn't want to be seen conversing with his right hand in public. ;-) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. since "he" is KF, I'll reply so others know. I ONLY became nasty to you a FEW times AFTER you ATTACKED me FIRST. (yes, caps are to emphasize you started this..) but of course I'm sure you're not man enough to apologize and STOP your petty attacks. This is all I will say on the matter. If someone wants to pass on his apology for his belittling, name calling and his/wifes horrible lies. Then I too, will step up to the plate and apologize for anything I *might* have done -- shameful that it has all been in my defense. ---- RK - Animas IR1250 pumper ... having fun with autoimmune diseases NOT! dx 5/00 - last a1c 6.3 |I remember when you were great friends, I hope you will be again | someday. As you know, a certain poster and I have had an ongoing battle [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] | > | >Dave "wife's horrible lies"? Oboy, this is getting weird. Please document proof. I am not a liar. I may occasionally stand up for my husband, but I don't lie. Mary > since "he" is KF, I'll reply so others know. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > | > > | >Dave > "wife's horrible lies"? Oboy, this is getting weird. Please document > proof. I am not a liar. I may occasionally stand up for my husband, but > I don't lie. > > Mary Mary, nobody really can ever know that from posts on a newsgroup, and people can say anything they want. Defending Dave is unnecessary and unwarranted. He's a big boy and can speak up for himself for those who choose to still read him. It really isn't your issue. If you just continue to be yourself and relate to people in your own way as an individual, it would be ultimately better for all. I am a pretty even keeled person, yet he even managed to get into my KF twice already in his last two net personas. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >> since "he" is KF, I'll reply so others know. >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> | > >> | >Dave >On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:18:32 GMT, "Evelyn Ruut" >>Dear Will, >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Will, T2 Will, my friend, Reisa, aka RK, is very well justified in her bitterness toward David based solely on his terrible treatment of her. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 25, 2006 is 2,239. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:20:39 GMT, Grandpa Chuck <Grandpa Chuck@B4ME.org> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >>I am beginning to realize that there are some really bad feelings >>there between RK and David, which I just don't understand. I really [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Will, my friend, Reisa, aka RK, is very well justified in her >bitterness toward David based solely on his terrible treatment of her. He didn't say she wasn't. Only that it is not his place to interfere or get in the middle of something he has nothing to do with. 1 person can be friends with 2 people who do not like each other if the 1 is smart enough not to discuss either one with the other. "Did you hear what so and so said..." I'm sorry, knew subject please. 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