I've seen to many low readings with the One Touch Basic meter from one
vial. The vial seems to have an unusual number of bad sticks.
Yesterday I called Lifescan to request some control solution to check
the validity of the sticks. The gal was quite snooty and
uncooperative. She wanted me to go and buy some. I quickly reminded
her how Roche sends out solution per request and without any hassle. I
also had to remind her that there was lots of competing meters and the
user does not have to use Lifescan products. She rescinded her
nastiness and claimed that it is not their policy to just send out
products. She acted like Lifescan is doing me this great favor by
sending me some control solution. But, she would not replace the vial
of bad sticks. I reminded her quite bluntly of the obscene profits
they make off these damn sticks. They owe us something for lining
their blanking pockets.
I find dealing with Lifescan very undesirable and filled with misery.
They are very uncooperative, arrogant as hell, and hard to deal with.
Do you also experience something similar when dealing with Lifescan?
_____________________________________________
http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free
sharppointy1 - 24 Jan 2006 14:15 GMT
I'm sorry you have had such unpleasant experiences with Lifescan. The
only time I called them was to ask if I had permanently ruined my One
Touch Ultra by getting apple juice in it. <yeah, I know,
dddduuuummmbbbb question : )>
After the rep quit laughing she said they'd mail me a replacement
meter, which I recieved 2 d later. I hadn't asked for the replacement,
they just offered it.
Pete Romfh - 24 Jan 2006 14:21 GMT
> I've seen to many low readings with the One Touch Basic
> meter from one vial. The vial seems to have an unusual
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> _____________________________________________
> http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free
As with many large organization the quality you get may depend on the person
you contact and how they feel that day.
Some days I'm a crabby a.shole on the phone, others I'm just an ordinary
a.shole. =;)

Signature
Pete Romfh, Telecom Geek & Amateur Gourmet.
http://www.bigoven.com/~promfh
promfh (at) hal-pc (dot) org
Jenny - 24 Jan 2006 15:10 GMT
> I find dealing with Lifescan very undesirable and filled with misery.
> They are very uncooperative, arrogant as hell, and hard to deal with.
> Do you also experience something similar when dealing with Lifescan?
How depressing. Yesterday I hit the wall with Roche. They are pleasant
on the phone, and send me free strips to replace those that are
obviously wrong, but when I buy their damn strips in the store (instead
of having them mailed by customer service)they are way out of range
(though the control solution test always says they are fine.)
Now I have 3 vials of strips that read 10- 20% higher than the 2 vials
of strips they sent me to replace the ones that were 49 mg/dl higher
than the lab draw.
The strips I bought at the pharmacy a different lot than the defective
ones, but read in the same range. 25% higher on a reading near 100 mg/dl
but not in any predictable manner. It looks like the only Aviva strips
that aren't defective are the ones they send you from customer service.
I have had a recalled meter replaced, by their customer service, too.
One that read identically as the replaced meter. <sigh>
I am using insulin. Yesterday I started feeling shaky and low. The Aviva
strips read "109" (two different strips.) My back up meter (whose
strips aren't paid for by insurance) read 88. Subsequent readings showed
I was indeed dropping as eventually the Aviva was reading in the 90s
after I'd eaten about 20 grams of carbs. Who knows what it really was?
So I called my insurer and got permission to ditch the Aviva and change
to an Ultra. I hope it isn't going to be the same thing all over again.
It's very hard to adjust basal insulin doses if you don't know if your
108 reading is really an 88 or a 78 or a 128, which seems to be the case
here. Customer service, BTW, insisted that a reading of 249 on their
strips was "within range" for a lab draw that was 201. With a range like
that, who needs strips. Dowsing would probably be as accurate.
--Jenny
http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u Diabetes Info
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
Sugar Under Control
Jenny - 24 Jan 2006 18:57 GMT
Following up my previous post. I received my new Ultra today and the
first test matched perfectly with my old, reference meter using the
customer-service strips (which seem accurate, where the ones I purchased
don't.) It read was 24 mg/dl lower than the rogue Aviva which is now
headed into the trash.
Thanks to everyone who suggested an Ultra.
--Jenny
http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u Diabetes Info
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
Sugar Under Control
Hi_Therre - 24 Jan 2006 22:55 GMT
>Following up my previous post. I received my new Ultra today and the
>first test matched perfectly with my old, reference meter using the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Thanks to everyone who suggested an Ultra.
I have an ultra but no sticks, too expensive. The sticks are $50+/100
on ebay. Sometimes I can get accu chek comfort curve for around
$20/100.
Cheri - 25 Jan 2006 00:06 GMT
I switched to the Walgreens TrueTrack for that reason too. I really like
it and see that the results of testing are always quite close to the
Ultra, and at about half the price for the strips. I've found the
generic strips for the One Touch Basic to be the most inaccurate,
usually running 20 points lower than the other meter strips.
--
Cheri
Hi_Therre wrote in message
<22cdt1hm81ggmcc965r8o6l662nfkgrvqc@4ax.com>...
>I have an ultra but no sticks, too expensive. The sticks are $50+/100
>on ebay. Sometimes I can get accu chek comfort curve for around
>$20/100.
Hi_Therre - 25 Jan 2006 14:09 GMT
>I switched to the Walgreens TrueTrack for that reason too. I really like
>it and see that the results of testing are always quite close to the
>Ultra, and at about half the price for the strips. I've found the
>generic strips for the One Touch Basic to be the most inaccurate,
>usually running 20 points lower than the other meter strips.
I just surfed ebay for truetrack and found one decent priced, about
$14 + $5 s/h
http://cgi.ebay.com/TrueTrack-True-Track-test-Strips-100-count_W0QQitemZ56592702
76QQcategoryZ72880QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
That is what I see for about to expire accu chek compact or comfort
curve sticks. I would prefer accu chek products over truetrack. I
stay away from the OTB generic because of the inaccuracy. It is
unusual to see a bad stick for the OTB meter.
_____________________________________________
http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free
Jenny - 25 Jan 2006 00:24 GMT
> I have an ultra but no sticks, too expensive. The sticks are $50+/100
> on ebay. Sometimes I can get accu chek comfort curve for around
> $20/100.
My self-employed person's insurance, for which I pay an obscene amount
each month, lets me have the Ultra strips for a $25 copay. Otherwise,
I'd use the store brand, which is what I used before the insurance
started paying.
--Jenny
http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u Diabetes Info
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
Sugar Under Control
bj - 25 Jan 2006 00:14 GMT
> the rogue Aviva which is now headed into the trash.
Hey, don't trash it. Save it for some future upgrade/trade-in! (or for
someone else to use that way)
bj
Jenny - 25 Jan 2006 14:28 GMT
>> the rogue Aviva which is now headed into the trash.
>
> Hey, don't trash it. Save it for some future upgrade/trade-in! (or for
> someone else to use that way)
> bj
Bj,
Lately all the meter deals I've seen are straightforward rebates with no
need to send in the old meter.
My concern with this meter is that it is so inaccurate that someone
using it with insulin could hurt themselves.
All subsequent tests yesterday with the Ultra matched the Advantage I'd
been using for reference which makes me feel more certain that the
Advantage was, after all, accurate. I'd suspected it was, as it matched
my feelings, but I was not sure, and since my last Advantage started
reading very high, suddenly, I am still concerned that these Roche
meters only perform properly with the strips they mail out. The ones I
buy at the pharmacy seem to have problems.

Signature
--Jenny
http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u Diabetes Info
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
Sugar Under Control
Vicki Beausoleil - 24 Jan 2006 15:39 GMT
> I've seen to many low readings with the One Touch Basic meter from one
> vial. The vial seems to have an unusual number of bad sticks.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> _____________________________________________
> http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free
I've used Lifescan products for all but three years of my diabetic life.
I've never had an encounter with a company representative that hasn't
been respectful, helpful and acted on promptly to my satisfaction.
Vicki
Cheri - 24 Jan 2006 15:59 GMT
No. I've always found them to be quite helpful, replacing meters,
sending extra strips with the meters etc. Maybe you just got a baytch on
that particular day. :-)
--
Cheri
Hi_Therre wrote in message ...
>I find dealing with Lifescan very undesirable and filled with misery.
>They are very uncooperative, arrogant as hell, and hard to deal with.
>Do you also experience something similar when dealing with Lifescan?
>_____________________________________________
>http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free
Hi_Therre - 24 Jan 2006 22:54 GMT
>No. I've always found them to be quite helpful, replacing meters,
>sending extra strips with the meters etc. Maybe you just got a baytch on
>that particular day. :-)
Could be.
Grandpa Chuck - 24 Jan 2006 17:10 GMT
>I've seen to many low readings with the One Touch Basic meter from one
>vial. The vial seems to have an unusual number of bad sticks.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>_____________________________________________
>http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free
DAMN!
You must have caught that person on a really bad day or just after she
had a very rude caller.
I have only found it necessary to call them a couple of times. On both
of those occasions they were very friendly, polite and cooperative.
I have run into people in other fields with attitudes like hers.
That's when I calmly ask to speak to their supervisor and I don't take
no for a answer. If they are not willing to do that I ask for their
name, employee number, supervisor's name and the mailing address of
the customer service department. I haven't had one yet who did not
immediately change their tune and become extremely cooperative.

Signature
Grandpa Chuck
-ô¿ô-
~
SEVEN MORE ADDED TO THE LIST OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS KILLED
IN THIS TERRIBLE WAR THIS MORNING.
The following information is given with the utmost respect
for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the
current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/
The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 23, 2006 is 2,236.
United Kingdom = 98
Other = 103
Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000
according to President Bush - probably many more.
bj - 24 Jan 2006 18:49 GMT
> I find dealing with Lifescan very undesirable and filled with misery.
> They are very uncooperative, arrogant as hell, and hard to deal with.
> Do you also experience something similar when dealing with Lifescan?
No, I never have. They've always been very nice to me. They've replaced a
meter that I dropped & broke (& admitted it was my fault -- I just called to
ask if the cracked screen was a problem), sending me a new one free + a paid
return label for the old one. They've sent me a free meter when I said I
*might* have to abandon mine in the hospital after cancer treatment (because
it would be radioactive & I'd been told I'd have to leave things behind,
which turned out not to be the case -- but by then Lifescan had long since
sent a pre-replacement -- & I'd told them that I did have backup meter!).
They've sent me control solution a couple of times
when I called with a problem & didn't have any & had been having trouble
finding it (& would have to wait several days or a week, maybe more, for a
special order). They've been nice about it when I called with a "problem"
that turned out to be "user error" (I forget what it was), and courteous
while explaining what I needed to do, without a hint of "stupid customer"
attitude.
bj
Loretta Eisenberg - 25 Jan 2006 00:56 GMT
Hi There, no I did not have a problem wtth LifeScan, I dropped my meter
and it broke, I called them and they overnighted me another one for
free. I found them very accommodatng. You probably just had a rep who
had a bad day or has pms. lol
Loretta
--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.
Hi_Therre - 25 Jan 2006 14:09 GMT
>Hi There, no I did not have a problem wtth LifeScan, I dropped my meter
>and it broke, I called them and they overnighted me another one for
>free. I found them very accommodatng. You probably just had a rep who
>had a bad day or has pms. lol
>
>Loretta
Maybe it is just that I'm more demanding than others. But, I've
called lifescan several times over the past few years, and it always
seems to end up the same way - disappointing. Roche just sends the
solution out without any crappola. Just wish lifescan would be the
same, considering the obsene profits they make off us.