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Just did a BG test on my Mother; 159.. Advice, please?!?!!?

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Chris J. - 24 Jan 2006 05:22 GMT
Ever since my trip in December, I've been trying to get my Mother to
take a BG test after a meal. I've been fighting her Doc, who says she
doesn't need one as her FBG is fine (80).

Well, tonight I finally talker her into it. After a meal with about 50
carbs, she was at 159 at one hour twenty minutes. I tested a second
time with a different meter to be sure, but got a 157, and it wasn't
contamination (I was very careful).

One hour later it was 116.

Mom is 78, in fairly good health, about 20 lbs overweight, and on an
ACE inhibitor for high blood pressure.

I'm desperately in need of opinions here. My present opinion is this
is bad enough to keep an eye on (test after meals occasionally) and
bring to the attention of her Doc. She has an appointment in two
weeks.

Also, I think I botched the whole thing, badly, from a psychological
point of view.  When the 159 came up, Mom saw it, and asked me if that
was high. I hedged, and said it's not high enough to Diagnose
diabetes, but it's high enough that she might have a glucose tolerance
problem and need to keep an eye on it. Mom caught on to my hedging,
and asked "what's yours? Let's see". So, I changed lancets, and did
mine, as I couldn't see a way out. So I tested, and she watched. Big
mistake: 90 (I'd eaten when she did, but a few less carbs, as I
pointed out).

She was quick to note that I'm the diabetic, and my BG was way lower
than hers. I countered that I'm on Medication (Metformin) and would
probably be off the charts without it, and that I was over 600 at
diagnosis. (I was trying to keep her stress level down).

I'm quite sure she will take this seriously, but I don't want her to
worry. I've set her up with her own meter and lancet pen, and I'll be
testing her over the coming days.

Any advice would be very sincerely appreciated.
Thanks!
bantista - 24 Jan 2006 05:48 GMT
> Ever since my trip in December, I've been trying to get my Mother to
> take a BG test after a meal. I've been fighting her Doc, who says she
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> Any advice would be very sincerely appreciated.
> Thanks!

Hello, Chris J

Good to hear from you.

Like you, as you know, I'm diabetic, T2, and my numbers are usually not too
bad.  50 grams of carb is not a very great load for a normal person though
it might put me over 170 at one hour. I don't take any meds currently. If I
took a brisk walk afterwards, I might manage a reasonable number with that
type of meal. But I think you know that a completely normal person would
probably be in the 120 range or less. I think you are doing the right thing
to keep an eye on it and not panic. It might be nothing. You know as well as
anyone about meter variability. But its plus 20 or minus 20 which could mean
as much as 179 (or as low as 139 which would be closer to a normal result).
Something to be concerned about, I would think, and a bit high for a normal
person in any case. Did you do a two hour test? I would expect she was
comfortably normal by then, but I usually am too. And I'm definitely sick. I
hope she will be well, but I also hope her Doctor checks her out thoroughly
with GTT and insulin resistance test and so forth. Good luck to you both.

No harm in keeping an eye on it with a meter and a regular 1 and 2 hour pp
test schedule.

regards,
rudy
bantista@thuntek.net
Chris J. - 24 Jan 2006 06:10 GMT
>Good to hear from you.

Good to hear from you, too.

>Like you, as you know, I'm diabetic, T2, and my numbers are usually not too
>bad.  50 grams of carb is not a very great load for a normal person though
>it might put me over 170 at one hour.
> I don't take any meds currently.

Thank you for that as a reference point. I am on meds (metformin) so
my own results can't be used as a comparison.

> If I
>took a brisk walk afterwards, I might manage a reasonable number with that
>type of meal. But I think you know that a completely normal person would
>probably be in the 120 range or less. I think you are doing the right thing
>to keep an eye on it and not panic.

Thanks...

>You know as well as
>anyone about meter variability. But its plus 20 or minus 20 which could mean
>as much as 179 (or as low as 139 which would be closer to a normal result).

I calibrate and cross-check my meters, and I highly doubt if this was
off by more than 12. I'm a bit of a fanatic on meter accuracy, and I
also did a second test with a different make of meter, and got near
identical results. So, unfortunately, I can't rely on meter
variability in this case.  

>Something to be concerned about, I would think, and a bit high for a normal
>person in any case. Did you do a two hour test?
>I would expect she was
>comfortably normal by then, but I usually am too.

Mom was 116 an hour after the 156. Not too bad, but not what I'd
consider normal.

BTW, Mom had Gestational Diabetes 39 years ago (when pregnant with
me). That's one reason I've been bugging her to let me test her.  

>And I'm definitely sick. I
>hope she will be well, but I also hope her Doctor checks her out thoroughly
>with GTT and insulin resistance test and so forth. Good luck to you both.

>No harm in keeping an eye on it with a meter and a regular 1 and 2 hour pp
>test schedule.

Thanks, Rudy. That's my plan at the moment.
Julie Bove - 24 Jan 2006 06:06 GMT
> Ever since my trip in December, I've been trying to get my Mother to
> take a BG test after a meal. I've been fighting her Doc, who says she
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> bring to the attention of her Doc. She has an appointment in two
> weeks.

You should bring it to the attention of her Dr.  And if you are in charge of
the meals, then perhaps serve her a few less carbs.  She might have
pre-diabetes.  Who knows?  Until the Dr. tests her, nobody knows.

> Also, I think I botched the whole thing, badly, from a psychological
> point of view.  When the 159 came up, Mom saw it, and asked me if that
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> mistake: 90 (I'd eaten when she did, but a few less carbs, as I
> pointed out).

Since you're not a Dr. I don't think you should have told her that it was
not high enough to diagnose diabetes.  But she is going to the Dr. in two
weeks.  Let the Dr. handle it.

> She was quick to note that I'm the diabetic, and my BG was way lower
> than hers. I countered that I'm on Medication (Metformin) and would
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>
> Any advice would be very sincerely appreciated.

You might see if you could get her into the Dr. sooner.  Other than that,
there's not much you can do aside from what I've already said.

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Chris J. - 24 Jan 2006 07:51 GMT
>> Ever since my trip in December, I've been trying to get my Mother to
>> take a BG test after a meal. I've been fighting her Doc, who says she
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>the meals, then perhaps serve her a few less carbs.  She might have
>pre-diabetes.  Who knows?  Until the Dr. tests her, nobody knows.

She's had FBG tests, and those are fine, so unless the Doc orders a
GTT (which,, given his attitude so far, I doubt he will), what tests
can he do? An A1c isn't a good diagnostic tool, though if it's high it
sure would indicate trouble.  

I certainly will bring this to his attention.

As for me being in charge of the meals, that's not often, just on
average one meal a day. Mom lives over an hour from me, and has a very
active social life so eats out a lot. I usually stop by and cook her
either lunch or dinner, depending on her plans.  I'll try and do more
of her meals, though.

>> Also, I think I botched the whole thing, badly, from a psychological
>> point of view.  When the 159 came up, Mom saw it, and asked me if that
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>Since you're not a Dr. I don't think you should have told her that it was
>not high enough to diagnose diabetes.  

Why not? It isn't.
But mainly, I didn't want to stress her out, and I can guarantee that
if I hadn't said that, she would have stressed.  

>But she is going to the Dr. in two
>weeks.  Let the Dr. handle it.

I'll do that, as long as the Doc's approach isn't to ignore high
readings and rely only on the FBG. He was very opposed to any testing
beyond the lab FBG. I might need to go Doc shopping, but I'll wait and
see what he has to say.  

>> Any advice would be very sincerely appreciated.
>
>You might see if you could get her into the Dr. sooner.  

I'll be trying that first thing in the morning. But, I would prefer it
not be too soon, as I'd like to get tests for a couple of meals first.
If I go in with just the one test, I have a strong hunch the Doc will
simply dismiss it.

>Other than that,
>there's not much you can do aside from what I've already said.

Thanks for the input.
Susan Adair - 24 Jan 2006 08:39 GMT
Chris,  from my pov it's pretty clear she's IGT.  As I remember my
tests from the igt days her 2-hr pp is still quite a bit higher than
mine was.  Now your real question is how to help her work out how to
handle this.  Her doctor might be a help, but you seem to think he
might just use the fbg as a marker, which many do.  You might try
showing her Jennifer's standards for pp control.  Your mother can
probably get those most of the time, or better, with some lower-carb
eating, and paying attention to carbs, but not necessarily as closely
as we have to do to get those readings.  In my experience people who
ask about how and what I eat are mostly shocked by the starch carbs -
everybody knows people with diabetes can't eat sugar, but bread and
potatos and rice and pasta surprise them.  So many of these are part of
that 'healthy diet' promoted everywhere.  Making her aware of the carbs
in these, and what they do to her bg, might give her a sense of what
she can do to control things a bit.  At this stage she can probably use
the portion control method to keep her consumption down.

You say she's about 20 lb overweight; most people at her age don't
worry a lot about that kind of weight, but losing it, or some, would
probably do some good.  It really depends on how much she wants to work
at it.  She's 78 - can she get a bit more exercise?  A daily walk, if
she's able, could also help, especially after a meal.  It sounds as
though she's in good shape - people that age start thinking about
staying that way, and are more concerned about health than they've
usually been.  She may be interesting in making the changes that can
keep her in the igt stage, and less stressed than you think, but you
know her best.  Your experience certainly would alarm her, but her
condition is different from yours.
There's another book by Gretchen Baker on IGT; I've not seen it, but it
might be a good source for you, and maybe for her.  I controlled my IGT
for about 10 years, and I might still be there if I had not become
complacent and reluctant to spend the cash on strips.  

Susan Adair
Chris J. - 24 Jan 2006 18:37 GMT
>Chris,  from my pov it's pretty clear she's IGT.  As I remember my
>tests from the igt days her 2-hr pp is still quite a bit higher than
>mine was.  Now your real question is how to help her work out how to
>handle this.  Her doctor might be a help, but you seem to think he
>might just use the fbg as a marker, which many do.  

I'm going to start researching IGT today. That way, I can go see the
Doc "armed", and if he just wants to use the FBG, I'll have
knowledgable arguments.  

>You might try
>showing her Jennifer's standards for pp control.  Your mother can
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>she can do to control things a bit.  At this stage she can probably use
>the portion control method to keep her consumption down.

Mom already knows a good deal about what carbs are. She's been asking
a lot of questions while on the trip and since, as she sees me eating
that way and testing.

>You say she's about 20 lb overweight; most people at her age don't
>worry a lot about that kind of weight, but losing it, or some, would
>probably do some good.  It really depends on how much she wants to work
>at it.  She's 78 - can she get a bit more exercise?

She gets some exercise. She does Aerobics, and also goes ballroom
dancing almost every day.

> A daily walk, if
>she's able, could also help,

I take her trail hiking a couple of times a week. She's fine up to
about five miles, so I limit it to four. I don't think that's all that
bad for her age, compared to others her age I see.  

>especially after a meal.  It sounds as
>though she's in good shape - people that age start thinking about
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>know her best.  Your experience certainly would alarm her, but her
>condition is different from yours.

Fortunately, she was not living in the US when I had my
hospitalization, infection, Dx, etc. So, she didn't see what I went
through, and not wanting her to worry I sort of sugar-coated it a bit.
However, she has several diabetic friends, and some of them are in
awful condition, so she's understandably worried.  

>There's another book by Gretchen Baker on IGT; I've not seen it, but it
>might be a good source for you, and maybe for her.  I controlled my IGT
>for about 10 years, and I might still be there if I had not become
>complacent and reluctant to spend the cash on strips.  

I'll go check Barns & Noble today, and if they don't have it, order
it.

I'm sorry you are no longer IGT.. If Mom is IGT, I'll do what I can to
keep her that way.
W. Baker - 24 Jan 2006 22:40 GMT
: Mom already knows a good deal about what carbs are. She's been asking
: a lot of questions while on the trip and since, as she sees me eating
: that way and testing.

: She gets some exercise. She does Aerobics, and also goes ballroom
: dancing almost every day.

: I take her trail hiking a couple of times a week. She's fine up to
: about five miles, so I limit it to four. I don't think that's all that
: bad for her age, compared to others her age I see.  

: Fortunately, she was not living in the US when I had my
: hospitalization, infection, Dx, etc. So, she didn't see what I went
: through, and not wanting her to worry I sort of sugar-coated it a bit.
: However, she has several diabetic friends, and some of them are in
: awful condition, so she's understandably worried.  

Cris, Chris, Chris!

Don't shortchange your Mother.  Don't try to "spare" her.  Once she is on
to your doing that she will do nothing but worry as SHE WILL NO LONGER BE
ABLE TO TRUST WHAT YOU SAY!!!!   She sounds like she is in basically good
shap and all there, so don't start down that babying road.  I have seen
this happen in both irections, parents not telling kids when there are
real problems and kids keepign stuf frm older(but still mentally alert)
parents.  

I had a friend in college whose parents didn't tell her about her Father's
heart attack.  In later years, as he was not the one who wrote the
letters, she told her parents that Dad has to sign the letters with his
chekc writing signiture, as that ws the only way she could be sure he ws
still alive!!  Do you know how much worry that caused her adn how constant
is is.  

I recently had to give this lecture to my over 50 year old daughter who
lives in Israel adn hate to talk about her problems.  You don't need ot
have verbal diarreha, but you do wnt to be open aobut how bad the situaion
was, could be, etc.  

I am giving you "motherly" advice here.  Maybe esier to take form someone
not actually your own mother.  I am not a old as you Mother, but my
husband is older and I wouldn't keep anything from him, not would his
kids.

Wendy
Chris J. - 24 Jan 2006 23:53 GMT
>: Fortunately, she was not living in the US when I had my
>: hospitalization, infection, Dx, etc. So, she didn't see what I went
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>to your doing that she will do nothing but worry as SHE WILL NO LONGER BE
>ABLE TO TRUST WHAT YOU SAY!!!!  

You are absolutely right... Let me be clear though; I didn't fill her
in on how sick I was, as I was already recovering by that time.
Maybe I made the wrong decision, but I didn't want to panic her, due
especially to the distance involved. It wouldn't have done either of
us any good for her to rush over here from the UK.  

As for her condition, I just wanted to ease the initial stress. I've
been more o-pen with her today, but have been stressing that she
really needs to hear what a doctor has to say.

>She sounds like she is in basically good
>shap and all there, so don't start down that babying road.  I have seen
>this happen in both irections, parents not telling kids when there are
>real problems and kids keepign stuf frm older(but still mentally alert)
>parents.  

>I had a friend in college whose parents didn't tell her about her Father's
>heart attack.  In later years, as he was not the one who wrote the
>letters, she told her parents that Dad has to sign the letters with his
>chekc writing signiture, as that ws the only way she could be sure he ws
>still alive!!  Do you know how much worry that caused her adn how constant
>is is.  

A darn good point. Actually, I know that all too well, and should know
better. My family is from the UK, so when i was growing up it was just
my parents and me here in the US. There was a sort of unspoken pact,
both ways, to keep quiet about bad health news. This was to avoid the
very expensive "rush to be there", but, boy, did it cause worry as no
one ever trusted that things were really ok.

>I recently had to give this lecture to my over 50 year old daughter who
>lives in Israel adn hate to talk about her problems.  You don't need ot
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>husband is older and I wouldn't keep anything from him, not would his
>kids.

Thanks, Wendy, I really appreciate it, and I've learned my lesson.
Julie Bove - 25 Jan 2006 00:28 GMT
> Cris, Chris, Chris!
>
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> real problems and kids keepign stuf frm older(but still mentally alert)
> parents.

<snip>

This is what happens in my husband's family.  When the elderly relatives get
sick, they do not tell them anything.  The poor person is left to suffer and
not know why and in the case of some, not even know that they are near
death.  I've been put in the middle at times because people know I will not
lie to them.  Some of the elderly relatives have come to me to ask what is
going on and have then thanked me for telling them.  Meanwhile, the rest of
the family chastises me if they find out I have done so.

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Jenny - 24 Jan 2006 14:57 GMT
> Mom is 78, in fairly good health, about 20 lbs overweight, and on an
> ACE inhibitor for high blood pressure.

She's doing fine.

1. Being 20 lbs overweight at her age fine.  There's evidence that over
age 70 weight loss for any reason, including intentional dieting is
associated with an increased risk of death. And being slightly
overweight at that age has been found to be healthier than being
"normal" weight.  So DON'T get her dieting!

2. She's already taking the ACE inhibitor which will protect the brain
vasculature and kidneys.

3. Her fasting blood sugar is completely normal and her 2 hour value
after a lot of carbs is good enough.  She is fine.  At her age, the body
becomes much less efficient at using food, but your mom is far from
being diabetic, and there is no reason to worry her unnecessarily. In
fact, you want her to eat!  Many people a bit older than your mom become
anorectic and it is one of the things that causes their mental status to
decline.

--Jenny

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Chris J. - 24 Jan 2006 18:19 GMT
>> Mom is 78, in fairly good health, about 20 lbs overweight, and on an
>> ACE inhibitor for high blood pressure.
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>overweight at that age has been found to be healthier than being
>"normal" weight.  So DON'T get her dieting!

I'm not going to get her weight loss dieting, unless a Doc says so.
However, I sure would like to get her on a healthier diet.  

>2. She's already taking the ACE inhibitor which will protect the brain
>vasculature and kidneys.

>3. Her fasting blood sugar is completely normal and her 2 hour value
>after a lot of carbs is good enough.  She is fine.  At her age, the body
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>anorectic and it is one of the things that causes their mental status to
>decline.

Thanks! I did not know that...
bj - 24 Jan 2006 18:49 GMT
I think a lot of older people (whatever "older" means for a particular
person) lose some interest in food -- it doesn't taste as good (either the
food itself or their perception); they have trouble with their teeth, or
it's "work" to swallow; some foods (even things they may have liked before)
just "don't agree with them" anymore; it's too much trouble to cook; it's
too boring to eat alone; & so on & so on. They just lose their
appetite/interest in food, for any number of reasons. (none of which seem to
have hit my 85-yr old mother, though I did see loss-of-interest in my father
at that age). The loss of nutrition & any other health problems seem to sort
of reinforce each other.
bj

> I'm not going to get her weight loss dieting, unless a Doc says so.
> However, I sure would like to get her on a healthier diet.
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>
> Thanks! I did not know that...
Nicky - 24 Jan 2006 19:03 GMT
> I'm desperately in need of opinions here. My present opinion is this
> is bad enough to keep an eye on (test after meals occasionally) and
> bring to the attention of her Doc. She has an appointment in two
> weeks.

That sounds a good way forward to me. It's certainly not a panic situation.

> She was quick to note that I'm the diabetic, and my BG was way lower
> than hers. I countered that I'm on Medication (Metformin) and would
> probably be off the charts without it, and that I was over 600 at
> diagnosis. (I was trying to keep her stress level down).

You know her, of course, but is she likely to become unreasonably stressed?
After all, she has a problem, and ought to be thinking about at least
minimising the danger. I'd be well peeved with anyone trying to stop me
getting stressed!

Do you have Gretchen Becker's book around? I found that invaluable whilst my
brother was here, just casually lying around available to be read if he felt
like it. Incidentally, we had almost identical readings to you and your Mum,
after which he acquired my spare meter... His doctor had told him he was
"cured" after he lost some weight, and withdrew his strip prescription.

Nicky.

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Chris J. - 24 Jan 2006 22:34 GMT
>> I'm desperately in need of opinions here. My present opinion is this
>> is bad enough to keep an eye on (test after meals occasionally) and
>> bring to the attention of her Doc. She has an appointment in two
>> weeks.
>
>That sounds a good way forward to me. It's certainly not a panic situation.

>> She was quick to note that I'm the diabetic, and my BG was way lower
>> than hers. I countered that I'm on Medication (Metformin) and would
>> probably be off the charts without it, and that I was over 600 at
>> diagnosis. (I was trying to keep her stress level down).
>
>You know her, of course, but is she likely to become unreasonably stressed?

No more, and no less, than I am... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
(we are a lot alike)

>After all, she has a problem, and ought to be thinking about at least
>minimising the danger. I'd be well peeved with anyone trying to stop me
>getting stressed!

All jokes aside, Mom tends to go off the deep end sometimes, and I
didn't want her to panic. Largely, I was the cause of the problem
there, because she's seem me fret over PP BG readings over a full
point (in your numbers) lower.

>Do you have Gretchen Becker's book around? I found that invaluable whilst my
>brother was here, just casually lying around available to be read if he felt
>like it. Incidentally, we had almost identical readings to you and your Mum,
>after which he acquired my spare meter... His doctor had told him he was
>"cured" after he lost some weight, and withdrew his strip prescription.

I had "first year" as a library book, but I've decided to buy both her
"first year" and IGT books. Should have them very soon.
Nicky - 25 Jan 2006 13:01 GMT
>>You know her, of course, but is she likely to become unreasonably
>>stressed?
>
> No more, and no less, than I am... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
> (we are a lot alike)

Oh, no! Please pass this message to your Mum immediately:

DON'T PANIC!!!!

: )

Nicky.

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Chris J. - 26 Jan 2006 05:55 GMT
>>>You know her, of course, but is she likely to become unreasonably
>>>stressed?
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>
>: )

But, Nicky, isn't it my job to help teach Mom how to deal with this,
and share the best of my skills? And, what am I best at? PANIC! So,
therefor, I should really be giving Mom lessons in how to panic... :-)
Loretta Eisenberg - 25 Jan 2006 00:53 GMT
Chris, my husband is not a diabetic, but there have been a few times
when I have tested him post prandial and he has been over 160.  Those
are short spikes, although he eats more than moderate carbs.

I would have your mother keep an account of her blood levels at the one
hour level and the two hour level to see how she is doing and to bring
those records to the doctor on her next visit.

Perhaps he will give her a glucose tolerance test.

If this is a random number, I would not be worried about it.  If it is
consistent, then there probably is a problem.

keep us informed.

Loretta

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In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.
Chris J. - 25 Jan 2006 06:54 GMT
>Chris, my husband is not a diabetic, but there have been a few times
>when I have tested him post prandial and he has been over 160.  Those
>are short spikes, although he eats more than moderate carbs.

>I would have your mother keep an account of her blood levels at the one
>hour level and the two hour level to see how she is doing and to bring
>those records to the doctor on her next visit.

This is what I will be doing. Mom went out for the day with friends,
so I couldn't test her today, but tomorrow I'm spending the day with
her. I did give her a meter, but she isn't comfortable using it
herself yet. I'll keep working on that.

>Perhaps he will give her a glucose tolerance test.

And then she will kill me. :-)
Mom had one of those when she was Dx'd with gestational diabetes, and
I've heard many, many times how much she hated that test. I just hope
it's a lot easier now than it was back in the late 1960's.  

>If this is a random number, I would not be worried about it.  If it is
>consistent, then there probably is a problem.
>keep us informed.

Thanks, and will do!
Ozgirl - 25 Jan 2006 07:21 GMT
>>Chris, my husband is not a diabetic, but there have been a few times
>>when I have tested him post prandial and he has been over 160.  Those
>>are short spikes, although he eats more than moderate carbs.
>
>>I would have your mother keep an account of her blood levels at the
>>one hour level and the two hour level to see how she is
doing and to
>>bring those records to the doctor on her next visit.
>
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> I've heard many, many times how much she hated that test. I just hope
> it's a lot easier now than it was back in the late 1960's.

I had my first GTT in 1978 for reactive hypoglycemia. It was
done in hospital over 8 hours! The first couple of hours
they tested every 15 minutes with lancets that were little
razor blades, nothing like the pin prick of today. I was in
tears BEFORE each one after the first couple.
Chris J. - 26 Jan 2006 05:57 GMT
>> And then she will kill me. :-)
>> Mom had one of those when she was Dx'd with gestational
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>razor blades, nothing like the pin prick of today. I was in
>tears BEFORE each one after the first couple.

Ahhhh! Ouch!!! I can see why that would be a nasty ordeal!!!

How do they do it these days? Just a regular finger stick? Mom has no
problem letting me do that, so that wouldn't be a problem.
W.M.McKee - 26 Jan 2006 07:32 GMT
>>> And then she will kill me. :-)
>>> Mom had one of those when she was Dx'd with gestational
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>How do they do it these days? Just a regular finger stick? Mom has no
>problem letting me do that, so that wouldn't be a problem.

Back in the 70's, when I had the GTT, I recall them drawing a number
of vials of blood over what seemed like most of a whole day... It was
done at the hospital. It was an unforgettable ordeal, especially when
the missed the veina couple of times and then just fished around
trying to find one under the skin.... I had a very showy hematoma
about 6-7 inches long and 2-3 inches wide.

Will, T2
Nicky - 26 Jan 2006 20:40 GMT
> Back in the 70's, when I had the GTT, I recall them drawing a number
> of vials of blood over what seemed like most of a whole day... It was
> done at the hospital. It was an unforgettable ordeal, especially when
> the missed the veina couple of times and then just fished around
> trying to find one under the skin.... I had a very showy hematoma
> about 6-7 inches long and 2-3 inches wide.

Mine, in around 1970, was done my finger sticks - about 5 sticks per finger,
with Jan's razor, on each finger and a thumb. I had it done twice, a couple
of weeks apart. Not recommended - and no-one told this 10yo why, or the
results, and that's still irritating me!

Nicky.

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Chris J. - 27 Jan 2006 05:03 GMT
>Back in the 70's, when I had the GTT, I recall them drawing a number
>of vials of blood over what seemed like most of a whole day... It was
>done at the hospital. It was an unforgettable ordeal, especially when
>the missed the veina couple of times and then just fished around
>trying to find one under the skin.... I had a very showy hematoma
>about 6-7 inches long and 2-3 inches wide.

Ouch! Sounds like they really put you through the wringer! Sorry to
hear that.
Dan Abel - 26 Jan 2006 22:19 GMT
> >I had my first GTT in 1978 for reactive hypoglycemia. It was
> >done in hospital over 8 hours! The first couple of hours
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> How do they do it these days? Just a regular finger stick? Mom has no
> problem letting me do that, so that wouldn't be a problem.

The three I had, all many decades ago, involved drawing a vial of blood
each time.  The last two times, the tech refused to finish the test.  I
was so obviously suffering from low blood sugar that he said the doctor
would have enough info with a partial test.

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bj - 25 Jan 2006 18:25 GMT
>>Perhaps he will give her a glucose tolerance test.
>
> And then she will kill me. :-)
> Mom had one of those when she was Dx'd with gestational diabetes, and I've
> heard many, many times how much she hated that test. I just hope it's a
> lot easier now than it was back in the late 1960's.

Well, at least she won't also be pregnant when she has it (maybe that made
the test feel worse?).

My mother used to remind me (she hasn't for some years now -- maybe I've
been forgiven?) that I made her miss breakfast the day I was born.
bj
Chris J. - 26 Jan 2006 05:52 GMT
>>>Perhaps he will give her a glucose tolerance test.
>>
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>been forgiven?) that I made her miss breakfast the day I was born.
>bj

BJ, you should try making your Mom, and some family, miss Chrismass
dinner due to Mom going into labor! I hear about that every time my
family gets together! :-)
bj - 26 Jan 2006 15:43 GMT
>>Well, at least she won't also be pregnant when she has it (maybe that made
>>the test feel worse?).
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> dinner due to Mom going into labor! I hear about that every time my
> family gets together! :-)

If my mom went into labor now, we'd have CNN & all the networks over.
:)

I do, however, have a counter not-forgettable story against her -- she gave
away a bunch of my books during one of our many moves (I was away at
boarding school; they were children's books [Enid Blyton, if anybody wants
to know] she thought we'd be done with -- hah!).
bj
David B. - 25 Jan 2006 01:23 GMT
At 78 she is perfect.

> Ever since my trip in December, I've been trying to get my Mother to
> take a BG test after a meal. I've been fighting her Doc, who says she
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> Any advice would be very sincerely appreciated.
> Thanks!
Frank - 26 Jan 2006 01:34 GMT
> At 78 she is perfect.
>
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>>Any advice would be very sincerely appreciated.
>>Thanks!

Once, for kicks, I tested a friend of my daughter's. It was 2 hrs. after
a meal and he was at 130. I told him to mention it to his MD at the next
general checkup. He did and was diagnosed T2. He was rather upset that I
hadn't "told him".

Tell her what normal (non-diabetic) levels are and let her deal with the
conclusions. Hopefully with her MD.
Chris J. - 26 Jan 2006 05:49 GMT
>Once, for kicks, I tested a friend of my daughter's. It was 2 hrs. after
>a meal and he was at 130. I told him to mention it to his MD at the next
>general checkup. He did and was diagnosed T2. He was rather upset that I
>hadn't "told him".

Ugh, sometimes, you can't win. Sorry that happened to you.

>Tell her what normal (non-diabetic) levels are

That's a major problem: I can't, as I don't know what normal levels
are. I've heard all sorts of ranges, and of course Jennifer's limits.
I've also seen it stated that normal is below 90 at all times.

I think I'll make a separate post on the question of what normal is,
as I really would like to know, especially for a 78 year old.

>and let her deal with the
>conclusions. Hopefully with her MD.

Tonight, she tested at 127 one hour PP, and 109 2 hour PP, after an
approx 35 carb meal. It was a small steak, egg, vegetables alfredo
(including some corn), stuffed portobello mushroom with Avocado, and
sugar free (but containing food starch and some carbs) vanilla pudding
for desert.

She does have a Doc's appointment in two weeks.
 
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