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Nicky - 20 Jan 2006 19:32 GMT
This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation between
PCOS and finger length.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/521265?src=mp

I wonder if there's a relationship between diabetes and finger length too,
given that PCOS also has a relationship with the metabolic syndrome?

Please say whether your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same or different in
length? - mine are very different, which is a PCOS marker - although I don't
have any obvious PCOS signs.

Nicky.

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Ricavito - 20 Jan 2006 19:40 GMT
> This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation between
> PCOS and finger length.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
> 95/73/72Kg

dumb question alert!

Would your second finger be the one you point with or the one you,
errrr, make rude statements with?  And your fourth finger is the pinky?
Anyway, mine are all different lengths, but no PCOS signs

ricaVito
Nicky - 21 Jan 2006 16:05 GMT
> Please say whether your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same or different in
> length? - mine are very different, which is a PCOS marker - although I
> don't
> have any obvious PCOS signs.

Thanks, guys - fascinating answers : )  Assuming a 100% diabetic response,
the figures look like this:

Different finger lengths 4
Same finger lengths 4                      PCOS 1
Different on different hands (significant difference) 3

So I guess that doesn't take the theory anywhere fast : )

Nicky.

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Ozgirl - 22 Jan 2006 03:14 GMT
>> Please say whether your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same or
>> different in length? - mine are very different, which is
a PCOS
>> marker - although I don't
>> have any obvious PCOS signs.
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>
> So I guess that doesn't take the theory anywhere fast : )

Might be good for predicting if your new born will be left
or right handed :)
Nicky - 22 Jan 2006 11:24 GMT
> Might be good for predicting if your new born will be left
> or right handed :)

Well, my tiddler is ambidextrous, and her hands are far less different than
mine are : )

Nicky.

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Ozgirl - 22 Jan 2006 12:20 GMT
>> Might be good for predicting if your new born will be left
>> or right handed :)
>
> Well, my tiddler is ambidextrous, and her hands are far less
> different than mine are : )

Well there ya go! Proof ;)
Priscilla H. Ballou - 20 Jan 2006 21:15 GMT
In article <43cs5rF1nej2fU1@individual.net>,
"Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote:
> Please say whether your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same or different in
> length?

Do you mean index and ring?  Or middle and pinky?

Priscilla
Ozgirl - 21 Jan 2006 00:56 GMT
> > Please say whether your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same or different in
> > length?
>
> Do you mean index and ring?  Or middle and pinky?

I thought pointer and ring man, that's what I measured, tall
man is tall on my hands ;) pinky is short....process of
elimination...

> Priscilla
TaniO - 20 Jan 2006 21:44 GMT
> This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation between
> PCOS and finger length.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> length? - mine are very different, which is a PCOS marker - although I don't
> have any obvious PCOS signs.

My 2nd and 4th fingers are about the same length.  I
don't have PCOS.  I mean, I didn't have it when I had
ovaries.

hth

TaniO


> Nicky.
Susan - 20 Jan 2006 22:30 GMT
> My 2nd and 4th fingers are about the same length.  I
> don't have PCOS.  I mean, I didn't have it when I had
> ovaries.

Mine are virtually identical in length, especially close on the right hand.

I had no fertility problems nor signs of PCOS until my late 30s, after
trying the Ornish diet.  All cysts and other signs went away as soon as
I started low carbing.

(Low carb with or without metformin are commonly the treatment for PCOS).

Susan
Ozgirl - 21 Jan 2006 00:57 GMT
"Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message

> Mine are virtually identical in length, especially close on the right hand.

Are you right handed? Mine are the opposite, I am left
handed.
Susan - 21 Jan 2006 01:05 GMT
> "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Are you right handed? Mine are the opposite, I am left
> handed.

Yes, I am a righty.

Susan
W. Baker - 21 Jan 2006 20:38 GMT
: x-no-archive: yes

: > My 2nd and 4th fingers are about the same length.  I
: > don't have PCOS.  I mean, I didn't have it when I had
: > ovaries.

: Mine are virtually identical in length, especially close on the right hand.

: I had no fertility problems nor signs of PCOS until my late 30s, after
: trying the Ornish diet.  All cysts and other signs went away as soon as
: I started low carbing.

: (Low carb with or without metformin are commonly the treatment for PCOS).

: Susan

Mi ringmen are both taller than the pointers.  No signs of PCOS that I
know of.  Definitely, no fertility problems.  Of course that is now mot as
I hit 70 this year.  Ane I don't feel very old except for the d---ed
sciatica.

Wendy
Susan - 21 Jan 2006 21:52 GMT
> Mi ringmen are both taller than the pointers.  No signs of PCOS that I
> know of.  Definitely, no fertility problems.  Of course that is now mot as
> I hit 70 this year.  Ane I don't feel very old except for the d---ed
> sciatica.

My sympathies, I had severe bouts with sciatica frequently in the past.
The thing that surprised me by working miraculously for it was
acupuncture.  For short lived flareups, NSAID + Valium + alternating
moist heat with ice helps me.

Hope you feel better soon.

Susan
W. Baker - 22 Jan 2006 22:09 GMT
: x-no-archive: yes

: > Mi ringmen are both taller than the pointers.  No signs of PCOS that I
: > know of.  Definitely, no fertility problems.  Of course that is now mot as
: > I hit 70 this year.  Ane I don't feel very old except for the d---ed
: > sciatica.

: My sympathies, I had severe bouts with sciatica frequently in the past.
: The thing that surprised me by working miraculously for it was
: acupuncture.  For short lived flareups, NSAID + Valium + alternating
: moist heat with ice helps me.

: Hope you feel better soon.

: Susan
I am planning  to try an epidural for longish term relief.  I hear thqt it
often works for 6-12 months.  I am worrrying about handling my bgs for a
few days after the treatment. I just can't stand this measuring out my
steps and having to decide if it is worth the pain to walk around the
corner to get to the egrocery stor.  

Wendy
Evelyn Ruut - 22 Jan 2006 22:38 GMT
> : x-no-archive: yes
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Wendy

Wendy it is strange, but since I started sleeping in my recliner, I haven't
had a single twinge of sciatica, but it returns if I try sleeping in my bed
again.   I might add that I can only sleep on one side, due to my shoulder
injury last year.   That may have something to do with it.
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W. Baker - 23 Jan 2006 16:49 GMT
: > : x-no-archive: yes
: >
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
: >
: > Wendy

: Wendy it is strange, but since I started sleeping in my recliner, I haven't
: had a single twinge of sciatica, but it returns if I try sleeping in my bed
: again.   I might add that I can only sleep on one side, due to my shoulder
: injury last year.   That may have something to do with it.

: Best Regards,

: Evelyn
: (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox')

Evelyn, Well. it looks like something good came out of that awful shoulder
injury.  Have faith, It should continue to get better.  I can sleep(for a
while) on my left side adn shoulder.  I actually , atribute my sciatica to
my broken arm, as it only started when I was sittign in funny positions
because of that 800lb arm gettign in the way and hurting so.  

Wendy
>^;^<  Great-Granny Grayfur - 23 Jan 2006 19:16 GMT
Wendy, I have dealt with sciatica since the early 90's, and have gotten repeated blocks.  Go for
it!!!  Once I get the stones taken care of, and the follow-ups from my broken back, I am going
to my pain doctor to get my sciatica block.  In my fall that broke my back, I also got some hip
injury, and will be needing to follow up on that, so getting the sciatica pain out of the way so
that I know what I am dealing with maybe.

What kind of doctor are you going to for your block?  I have been going to a pain specialist
since the early 90's.  He was also the first one to discover my osteoarthritis in my hips.

Hugs and Best wishes with your sciatica; keep us informed.
Billie in AR

: Evelyn, Well. it looks like something good came out of that awful shoulder
: injury.  Have faith, It should continue to get better.  I can sleep(for a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
:
: Wendy
W. Baker - 23 Jan 2006 21:29 GMT
: Wendy, I have dealt with sciatica since the early 90's, and have gotten repeated blocks.  Go for
: it!!!  Once I get the stones taken care of, and the follow-ups from my broken back, I am going
: to my pain doctor to get my sciatica block.  In my fall that broke my back, I also got some hip
: injury, and will be needing to follow up on that, so getting the sciatica pain out of the way so
: that I know what I am dealing with maybe.

: What kind of doctor are you going to for your block?  I have been going to a pain specialist
: since the early 90's.  He was also the first one to discover my osteoarthritis in my hips.

: Hugs and Best wishes with your sciatica; keep us informed.
: Billie in AR

: : Evelyn, Well. it looks like something good came out of that awful shoulder
: : injury.  Have faith, It should continue to get better.  I can sleep(for a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
: :
: : Wendy

I will be seeign an anesthesiologist(sp?)  He is well recommended, not
only from my doctor, but from a friend adn neighbor who ws trained by him.  

Wendy
Loretta Eisenberg - 20 Jan 2006 21:48 GMT
Nicky, on the right hand, they are approximately the same.  On the left
hand there is about an eighth of an inch difference.  So I guess I have
a fifty fifty chance of getting it. :-)

Loretta

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Ozgirl - 21 Jan 2006 00:57 GMT
> Nicky, on the right hand, they are approximately the same.  On the left
> hand there is about an eighth of an inch difference.  So I guess I have
> a fifty fifty chance of getting it. :-)

Are you right handed?
Loretta Eisenberg - 21 Jan 2006 17:59 GMT
Jan, I am right handed, why?

Loretta

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Loretta Eisenberg - 20 Jan 2006 21:48 GMT
Nicky, on the right hand, they are approximately the same.  On the left
hand there is about an eighth of an inch difference.  So I guess I have
a fifty fifty chance of getting it. :-)

Loretta

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TigerLily - 20 Jan 2006 22:04 GMT
my fourth finger (ring finger) is shorter than the
2nd finger (index finger)

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> This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation between
> PCOS and finger length.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/521265?src=mp

> I wonder if there's a relationship between diabetes and finger length too,
> given that PCOS also has a relationship with the metabolic syndrome?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Nicky.
Ozgirl - 21 Jan 2006 00:59 GMT
> my fourth finger (ring finger) is shorter than the
> 2nd finger (index finger)

How odd. I just looked at two of my kids, their ring fingers
are longer than pointer. Like me. Sure you didn't chop some
of your ring fingers off as a child? ;)
W.M.McKee - 21 Jan 2006 01:51 GMT
>> my fourth finger (ring finger) is shorter than the
>> 2nd finger (index finger)
>
>How odd. I just looked at two of my kids, their ring fingers
>are longer than pointer. Like me. Sure you didn't chop some
>of your ring fingers off as a child? ;)

Hey Oz, since I am a man, this probably does not count. But, what is
the big deal? My ring fingers are longer than my pointers...

Will, T2
Ozgirl - 21 Jan 2006 02:10 GMT
> >> my fourth finger (ring finger) is shorter than the
> >> 2nd finger (index finger)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Hey Oz, since I am a man, this probably does not count. But, what is
> the big deal? My ring fingers are longer than my pointers...

I thought all ring fingers were longer than pointers, Kate
just showed me an exception :)

> Will, T2
Michelle - 21 Jan 2006 03:01 GMT
On my right hand, the index and ring finger are the same; on the left,
the ring finger is longer.

Michelle
Evelyn Ruut - 21 Jan 2006 16:22 GMT
>> my fourth finger (ring finger) is shorter than the
>> 2nd finger (index finger)
>
> How odd. I just looked at two of my kids, their ring fingers
> are longer than pointer. Like me. Sure you didn't chop some
> of your ring fingers off as a child? ;)

In this case according to palmistry, the person has a deep attitude of
self-questioning.... if the difference is extreme (very short pointer), it
is seen to be lack of confidence in oneself.

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Nicky - 21 Jan 2006 17:40 GMT
> In this case according to palmistry, the person has a deep attitude of
> self-questioning.... if the difference is extreme (very short pointer), it
> is seen to be lack of confidence in oneself.

What's the opposite, Evelyn? My pointer is significantly longer than my ring
finger.

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Evelyn Ruut - 21 Jan 2006 18:30 GMT
>> In this case according to palmistry, the person has a deep attitude of
>> self-questioning.... if the difference is extreme (very short pointer),
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Nicky.

A tendency to be almost overbearing.... exaggerated self-confidence.
Now don't get mad, that is just what the classic theory is :-)

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Nicky - 22 Jan 2006 09:22 GMT
>>> In this case according to palmistry, the person has a deep attitude of
>>> self-questioning.... if the difference is extreme (very short pointer),
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> A tendency to be almost overbearing.... exaggerated self-confidence.
> Now don't get mad, that is just what the classic theory is :-)

Hah! I deny everything! : )

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Em - 21 Jan 2006 00:02 GMT
> This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation
> between PCOS and finger length.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Nicky.

My second (ring?) is longer than my fourth (index?) fingers.
Em
Susan - 21 Jan 2006 00:48 GMT
>>This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation
>>between PCOS and finger length.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> My second (ring?) is longer than my fourth (index?) fingers.
> Em

I'm pretty sure you have that in reverse, Em.

Susan
Ozgirl - 21 Jan 2006 00:55 GMT
> This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation between
> PCOS and finger length.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> length? - mine are very different, which is a PCOS marker - although I don't
> have any obvious PCOS signs.

On my left hand they are almost the same length, on the
right there is a significant difference (I am left handed
btw).
Julie Bove - 22 Jan 2006 01:22 GMT
> On my left hand they are almost the same length, on the
> right there is a significant difference (I am left handed
> btw).

This is odd!  I had looked before and would have said they were the same.
They are on my right hand.  But on my left hand, the pointer is a tiny bit
longer.  Not only that, but in comparing the hands, the pointer, middle and
ring finger on the left hand are all a tiny bit longer than those on the
right hand.  But my right thumb is a tiny bit longer than the thumb on my
left hand.  I am right handed.  And now I think I have freak hands!  Just
one more thing I have to worry about.  Hehe.

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Susan Adair - 21 Jan 2006 00:58 GMT
Mine are very close to the same length on both hands, but visually they
appear differently.  On the left - my hand of choice, the index finger
looks a little longer.  On the right hand the fourth finger looks a
little longer.  I've no PCOS as far as I know; I took birth control
pills for 20 years, then used other methods until I made it to
menopause, so I've never tested it.

Susan Adair
Susan - 21 Jan 2006 01:08 GMT
> Mine are very close to the same length on both hands, but visually they
> appear differently.  On the left - my hand of choice, the index finger
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Susan Adair

You don't have to try to get pregnant to have PCOS.  At the extreme,
PCOS women are obese or overweight, have greasy hair, acne, male pattern
baldness and are hirsute with masculine hair patterns.  Ovarian cysts
may or may not be present.

I developed PCOS in midlife after a very fertile young life with no
signs of it.  It's one of the manifestations of severe insulin
resistance and/or hyperinsulinemia.

I was slim when I developed it, and wasn't overtly masculinized, though
I did have some hair thinning in a male pattern.

Susan
Wes Groleau - 21 Jan 2006 04:56 GMT
> Please say whether your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same or different in

How do you measure them?  I can make the ends line up perfectly or be
off a half-inch by using different muscles in my forearms.  Does that
mean I can turn my diabetes on and off?

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Vicki Beausoleil - 21 Jan 2006 08:25 GMT
> This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation between
> PCOS and finger length.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Nicky.

The same. Just noticed my ring finger on my right hand is crooked. Must
be age and too many years of scooping muffins catching up with me.

Vicki
Evelyn Ruut - 21 Jan 2006 16:24 GMT
>> This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation
>> between PCOS and finger length.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Vicki

Vicki, crookedness of the ring finger (in palmistry) is said to indicate a
stubborn streak :-)  Of course when "I" have it, I call it "strength of
character"   LOL!

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Vicki Beausoleil - 22 Jan 2006 00:05 GMT
>>>This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation
>>>between PCOS and finger length.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> stubborn streak :-)  Of course when "I" have it, I call it "strength of
> character"   LOL!

I knew that, and I have a very strong character as well. ;-)

Want to hear a good one? My diabetes diagnosis appears on my palm (left
one, of course). A third of the way down. I was diagnosed at age 33. I
knew something was coming when I was a kid, I just didn't know what. It
also shows uncertaintly surrounding my birth and infancy. My mother
thought she had a hiatal hernia, not a baby, and after I was born, I
spent the first year of my life living with my aunt because my mother
was hospitalized. How's that for freaky?

I'm going to exist a good while longer even with this disease, or so my
palm tells me.

Vicki
Evelyn Ruut - 22 Jan 2006 01:46 GMT
>>>>This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation
>>>>between PCOS and finger length.
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> Vicki

Vicki, I think your palm is right ;-)

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Evelyn Ruut - 21 Jan 2006 16:19 GMT
> This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation
> between PCOS and finger length.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Nicky.

Dear Nicky,

This may be nearly off topic, but I have studied palmistry, and finger
length has meaning in palmistry.   In particular the length of the index and
ring finger are supposed to be ideally, the same length, but seldom actually
are.   Often the index finger is slightly shorter and that may be because it
is often curved a bit too.

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Wooly - 21 Jan 2006 16:44 GMT
>Please say whether your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same or different in
>length? - mine are very different, which is a PCOS marker - although I don't
>have any obvious PCOS signs.

On visual inspection the middle finger on each hand is longest.  When
measured my first three fingers (pointer, middle, ring) measure within
1mm of each other, on both hands.  My pinkies are nearly a full cm
shorter than their mates.  My right hand is slightly larger than the
left, but I'm a right-dominant ambidexter so this is no surprise.

My toes exhibit this same basic pattern too

I played piano for a long time and I can still span nearly 1.5 octaves
without much effort.  If I'd spend more time keeping my hands limber I
could probably add another ivory to the spread...

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>^;^<  Great-Granny Grayfur - 22 Jan 2006 00:53 GMT
Both hands, my index finger is shorter than the ring finger.  I, too, have played piano and
organ all my life, and have a long reach/span that with practice I could probably still do
today, even after RA since I was 22 y/o.

I always had lots of hair (premenopausal) until bouts of hypothyroidism when balancing my
thyroid levels; I have had three nodules since discovery in 1975.  It is hard to judge what all
has been causing the thinning of my hair, but there does seem to be akin to male pattern
baldness.  I'll have to keep a close eye on it as it regrows after this last bout of
hypothyroidism ( seriously low this time regardless of my synthroid)

I have had ovarian cysts, and had to have a large chocolate cyst removed when I was 18.  Because
of a similar side pain, I've thought many times that I have had other ones, including more
recently, too.  I have always thought some of my features leaned toward a more masculine side,
though I am a very feminine person; the masculine was not that much in excess.  Funny, I always
thought the hair on my arms was because of the way my daddy was so hairy.

I also developed a heart problem in my youth.

That's it after all the paragraphs beginning in "I"......... :)

Billie in AR

: >Please say whether your 2nd and 4th fingers are the same or different in
: >length? - mine are very different, which is a PCOS marker - although I don't
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Chris J. - 21 Jan 2006 22:48 GMT
>This week's Medscape newsletters produced an interesting correlation between
>PCOS and finger length.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>length? - mine are very different, which is a PCOS marker - although I don't
>have any obvious PCOS signs.

Interesting...

I am rather unlikely to ever get PCOS, but I do have some odd fingers,
therefor I thought I'd chime in on this thread...

OK, assuming the thumb is counted as #1, and the pinky as #5, there
are my results.

On my left hand, my second and 4th fingers are about identical.
However, on my right hand, my 4th finger is identical to my middle
finger, actually a tiny amount longer. My second finger is much
smaller than either of them on that hand.  
 
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