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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2006Fungus--my opinion
Diabetics are very prone to Fungus and yeast infections. Our mode of living contributes to the problem. I was plagued with big time problems for years. None of the older items ever worked to clear the problem. Once established it produces spores that are almost impossible to destroy. They grow back from the spores remaining i the skin. As far as I know the only method that works is to use one of the newer prescription items that inhibits the growth of the fungus. It must be taken until there is a complete change of the "dead" skin. That usually takes several months. The negative of the newer items is that in a few cases they can cause liver problems. They should be used under a doctors care with proper blood tests. But they did eliminated several problems that had persisted for years. Discuss this with your doc. Some do not like these drugs. Always use them with care. Other items may be adequate in some minor cases. For many years my finger nails were a mess. But as a side effect they are perfect now. I am still plagued with several other problems, including skin problems. The docs seem to be very poor in this area. Shades of old age and diabetes. Guy >Diabetics are very prone to Fungus and yeast infections. > ><snipped for brevity> Topical medications are almost always ineffective against nail fungus. I've found that what works is a 90-day course of systemic Lamisil tablets. The downside is that these are expensive, and, as you mentioned, have a side effect of being toxic to the liver. A blood test for liver function is a must before starting Lamisil. But if the Lamisil can be tolerated, an aggressive treatment for nail fungus is indicated for diabetics, because the untreated fungus can lead to far more serious problems. A wide-spectrum fungicide cream (I've used Spectazole) works well against surface skin fungus. But you have to have patience. Twice-a-day applications are recommended, and it often takes months of this before you see a noticable improvement. A good dermatologist should be on every diabetic's health team. >>Diabetics are very prone to Fungus and yeast infections. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >A good dermatologist should be on every diabetic's health team. Good should be in caps. Getting the wrong dc can be a disaster. Is he/she running a production line? Guy >Diabetics are very prone to Fungus and yeast infections. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups >----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Guy, You are truly a prince. Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom. You set a very high example for us all. You are not old, Guy. Think about it... Will, T2 Nail fungi are a BEAR... but for skin fungi I've had great success with two products. One is RX - Lotrisone. It is a topical anti-fungul steroid. An OTC product I've had great success with is Dr. Bronner's Hemp Peppermint Pure Castile Soap. I was showering at a friend's house one day and used theirs, and loved the smell so I bought my own bottle. In a couple of weeks I realized that a fungus I had fought for a couple of years on the back of my neck had almost completely recovered. Don't know what ingredient is the wonder cure part, but I kept using the wonderful Peppermint stuff and haven't had a problem in over a year. Even bought a bottle and gave it to my doctor... ;) I get it locally at the Vitamin Shoppe. > Diabetics are very prone to Fungus and yeast infections. > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- > One is RX - Lotrisone. It is a topical anti-fungul steroid. An OTC > product I've had great success with is Dr. Bronner's Hemp Peppermint Pure > Castile Soap. Thanks Carol, I have used Lotrisone with some success, but I did not know of Dr. Bronner's "Hemp Peppermint Pure Castile Soap". My, that's a mouthfull, isn't it?..... Sort of like "Bertie Bott's Every Flavor Beans". Anyway, thank you very much for the information. I shall try some of that stuff as soon as I can.... If you have read some of my other posts, you know I have even tried gasoline and Clorox, which I DO NOT recommend! The gas simply did not work, and the Clorox made a nasty chemical burn. Only those who have suffered the ravages of fungus will understand the deperation... Will, T2 >> One is RX - Lotrisone. It is a topical anti-fungul steroid. An OTC >> product I've had great success with is Dr. Bronner's Hemp Peppermint Pure [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Will, T2 Will, as I understand it there are several different "families" of fungus. If the Lotrimin type cream doesn't work, then try the Lamisil one, or even the NP-27 kind of remedy. Not only that there are different families of fungus, but they get deep into the layers of skin, and it takes a long time to get it all.  SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > If the Lotrimin type cream doesn't work, then try the Lamisil one, or even > > the NP-27 kind of remedy. Hi Evelyn, What is NP-27? Forgive my ignorance... I just never heard of it. We were going to try the vaginal cream this weekend. The fungus is not nearly so bad as it used to be, by the way, but it is always there.... ever lurking. The Lamisil kinda works, but does not really "get it", if you know what I mean. Will, T2 > What is NP-27? Forgive my ignorance... I just never heard of it. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > know > what I mean Well, ladies, I have just put on my first application of the vaginal cream (Monistat 3) on my lower leg/ankle.... I'll keep you posted. I did not have to offer any explanations. Tricia got it for me. Ha! It does seem to be getting the "itch" already, but that might just be my hopeful imagination. :-) Will, T2 no will....... the topical cream will stop the itch THAT fast! it's working in other words kate > > What is NP-27? Forgive my ignorance... I just never heard of it. > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Will, T2 >no will....... the topical cream will stop the >itch THAT fast! [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> Will, T2 Hi Kate, Thanks for the encouragement! Will, T2 >> If the Lotrimin type cream doesn't work, then try the Lamisil one, or >> even [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Will, T2 NP 27 is a liquid antifungal that is used for athletes foot. It has been around a long time. If you look around, maybe on the internet you can find it. I know it sounds crazy, but I swear by two products that always work for me. One is old fashioned yellow Listerine, and the other is a tea tree oil combined with Lavender. It really works. Like I mentioned, it is sometimes just finding the right antifungal. Some work on certain infections better than others. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>> If the Lotrimin type cream doesn't work, then try the Lamisil one, or >>> even [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >sometimes just finding the right antifungal. Some work on certain >infections better than others. Hi Evelyn, I keep a bottle of straight 100% tea tree oil at work... It does have a strong odor, but it seems to alleviate the itch temporarily. Is the lavender to help with the smell, or does it actually have an antifungal effect, also? Will, T2 I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to alleviate the itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I tried it for a few months (I think I've tried everything) to no effect whatsoever. Will is right about the odor -- very strong and a little mildewy. It did come in a nifty little bottle that I now use for the refined sesame oil that I put in my nose (but that's another subject) > I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to alleviate the > itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I tried it for a few > months (I think I've tried everything) to no effect whatsoever. Will > is right about the odor -- very strong and a little mildewy. It did > come in a nifty little bottle that I now use for the refined sesame oil > that I put in my nose (but that's another subject) I used the straight tea trea oil too, but I found that the one with lavender oil is actually more effective. As for nail fungus, there is a connection with fake fingernails you know, and so the people who make fake nail products usually have some antifungals that are very effective. Back when I had fake nails they had something called "Thymol" which knocked nail infections dead with one application. If I am not mistaken, Thymol is another botanical extract, of the herb, thyme. Notice that some people claim to have gotten good results with Vicks. Vicks contains Menthol (from mint) Thymol (from thyme) and Eucalyptol (from eucalyptus). So all these botanicals have some anti-fungal activity. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to alleviate >> the itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I tried it for a few [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Thymol (from thyme) and Eucalyptol (from eucalyptus). So all these > botanicals have some anti-fungal activity. When I was a kid there used to be this green liquid sold in a roll on aplicator with a green top that was billed as a Ben Gay type product but was also used to kill foot fungus. It worked great for me - you ever heard of this product? I sure would like to get a bottle or two. >>> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to alleviate >>> the itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I tried it for a few [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > was also used to kill foot fungus. It worked great for me - you ever heard > of this product? I sure would like to get a bottle or two. I think it was Absorbine? or something like that. My memory fails me on that one. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>>> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to alleviate >>>> the itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I tried it for a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I think it was Absorbine? or something like that. My memory fails > me on that one. That's it! Absorbine. I think I'll look for it - haven't seen it in years >>>>> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to alleviate >>>>> the itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I tried it for a [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > That's it! Absorbine. I think I'll look for it - haven't seen it in years Drugstore.com has a lot of stuff like that, from way back, and also the vermont country store. They carry a lot of older products. Believe it or not I found my old favorite "Sweetheart" soap from them! It was like a trip down memory lane :-) SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>>>>> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to >>>>>> alleviate the itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Believe it or not I found my old favorite "Sweetheart" soap from them! > It was like a trip down memory lane :-) Now if I can just find an 8 track tape player :) >>>>>>> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to >>>>>>> alleviate the itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Now if I can just find an 8 track tape player :) Try ebay :-) SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in news:ekUAf.5255$cj3.570 @news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com: >>>>>>>> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to >>>>>>>> alleviate the itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Try ebay :-) I've been trying to have a garage sale at my father's old house this past week but the rain has upset the schedule. You wouldn't believe some of the music stuff I've found. I found some old 78's from the 30's and 40's and found a box of 45's of early Elvis from the 1950's 'Ain't nothing but a hound dog' and some others. I found my old Beetles 'White Whale' albumn on 8 track but no player - yet. The best find was my grandfather's tool box. > "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in news:ekUAf.5255$cj3.570 > @news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com: [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > The best find was my grandfather's tool box. Cool! Some of those old records are worth money! SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >> "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in >> news:ekUAf.5255$cj3.570 @news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Cool! Some of those old records are worth money! That woould be a nice surprise. >> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to alleviate the >> itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I tried it for a few [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Eucalyptol (from eucalyptus). So all these botanicals have some >anti-fungal activity. Thanks for the useful tips, Evelyn. We have some thyme growing in Tricia's herb garden... I wonder if I could do something with it to work on my fungs... Hmmm Will, T2 >>> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to alleviate the >>> itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I tried it for a few [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Will, T2 I don't think so, Will.... for what it is worth, I think these things have to be distilled or the oil gotten out of them somehow to get the full medicinal value out of them. You know, herbs are real medicines. One needs real knowledge to use them properly. In some it is the root, some the leaf, others the flower that contains the active agents. Digitalis comes from the Foxglove.... it can cure or it can kill if you don't know what the right procedure is to get the active ingredients, or how much to take of it. Nothing to mess around with idly, if one isn't sure. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>>> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to alleviate the >>>> itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I tried it for a few [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >Nothing to mess around with idly, if one isn't sure. Yes, I know about Foxglove.... My son has some of that. I'll bet he is the only 13 yr old on the East coast who aspires to become a botanist. Will, T2 >>>>> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to alleviate the >>>>> itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I tried it for a few [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Will, T2 Hello, Will Well, ask your son if the thyme can be converted simply into a useable substance for your problem. He'll probably enjoy the quest, appreciate the serious treament, and, who knows, might find out something useful or at least educational. regards, rudy bantista@thuntek.net >>>>>> I've heard people who swear by tea tree oil, not just to alleviate the >>>>>> itch, but to actually clear toenail fungus. I tried it for a few [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >rudy >bantista@thuntek.net Good idea, Rudy. I'll see what he can do... Will, T2 >>>> If the Lotrimin type cream doesn't work, then try the Lamisil one, or >>>> even [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Will, T2 It is anti-inflammatory, and maybe antifungal/antibiotic a bit also. I do know that as others here have reported, when the "right" antifungal is found, the itching stops dead in its tracks. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >Will, as I understand it there are several different "families" of fungus. >If the Lotrimin type cream doesn't work, then try the Lamisil one, or even >the NP-27 kind of remedy. Not only that there are different families of >fungus, but they get deep into the layers of skin, and it takes a long time >to get it all. Exactly----Fungus is a general term. So many of the "fungus" today are survivors of our treatments I believe that internal items with their risk may be the only effective treatment Treatment must be continued until all spores are eliminated or you my have a slow relapse. So people live with a minor conditions. In my case, they tend to become ore acute. Another factor is proper treatment is time consuming and some docs prefer not to spend the time. Diabetic (many) are very prone to these conditions. Many older diabetics, or maybe old people tend to develop skin parasite conditions that are hard to treat. again docs do a poor job with them. That includes some specialists. I think it is best to see a GOOD doc early before they get to entrenched. In my case Lamisil worked earlier but now it has limited use. There are a range of items that can be used by a competent doctor. It is best that a diabetic avoid things where they may catch the "problems". Guy . >>Will, as I understand it there are several different "families" of fungus. >>If the Lotrimin type cream doesn't work, then try the Lamisil one, or even [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > may catch the "problems". > Guy Guy, as I understand it, you can conceivably be infected with more than one kind of fungus at once on the same site. The Lamisil might kill one kind, but be useless against the other. That is why it is important to use different products. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') >>>Will, as I understand it there are several different "families" of fungus. >>>If the Lotrimin type cream doesn't work, then try the Lamisil one, or even [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >but be useless against the other. That is why it is important to use >different products. I think this is true In 1951 I was in the Army ba had horrible athletes feet. The military docs gave me some powder but I think it was useless. I went to a drug store and bought some ammoniated Mercury cream. It was a miracle thing for me. However it contained mercury and was banned later. DDT was very effective on a problem I have now but it is banned. Which was worse--- the infections or the "poison"product. now some of the infections agents laugh at the baby powder things we use now. If I had some Ammoniated Mercury ointment at the proper time I would probably still have two legs Now I am stepping on sacred ground.. Guy >Diabetics are very prone to Fungus and yeast infections. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups >----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Hi gang, For what it is worth, the vaginal cream suggested by Julie, Wendy, Kate and others seems to be working. This is the second day. I'm keeping my fingers crossed... Will > Hi gang, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Will That is great! Fungal itches are torturous. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') |
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