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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2006Hello Group -- sorry this is long winded
Hi, all. Over the past couple of weeks the question "Why would anyone be here who didn't have to be?" has been asked by a few people. I offer this post as something of an introduction -- Hi, my name is Laura. And so far I do not have diabetes. Which begs the question, why am I here? I am here and have been here since December 2001. Shortly after my father in law passed away, He had Type 2. His official cause of death was congestive heart failure. I am married to his son. I wanted to learn because father in law's mother was also diabetic. See a theme? I doubted my husband's willingness to learn about it, so I figured one of us should. Now. This same father in law was stricken with a tumor on his pituitary gland in the early eighties. In the nineties, his thyroid quit working properly (hypo thyroid), soon on the heals of that they determined him to be diabetic and that his adrenal glands had quit working. It seemed to me that his entired endochrine system fell like a line of dominoes. In the mid nineties, I was first stricken with hashimoto's thyroiditis which somehow reversed itself and became graves disease. Strike one on the endochrine domino trail. Or was it? I remembered back to my childhood when I was diagnosed after a period of ill health and fainting spells with hypoglycemia. Well, that was the trend in the 70's. They gave up that diagnosis thinking I was "borderline" epileptic. Then they gave up that diagnosis and decided it was adolescence and once my hormones calmed down all would be well. Shrug...as my husband would say "That's why they call it *practicing* medicine." Anyway, during my early twenties I was hit with a bout of severe weight loss. GTT determined borderline diabetes. No information, no further testing, no treatment. Be on your way little lady, we have real patients to treat. Mid twenties I was "borderline" gestation diabetic. No information, no treatment. Healthy baby boy. So, 2001 rolls around and I see this funky chain of dominoes building up. Weight gain attributed to a messed up thyroid and depression. Too much weight around the middle, funky lipids.Hey your dad has cholesterol problems, and besides you have a fasting BG of 85 and an A1c of 5.6. Don't worry so much. Watch your concentrated sugar intake and eat low fat. So, that's why I, a non-diabetic, am here. To try and stay that way. I came for information and stayed because I really liked the people I "met" here. I cried when Charles Evans died. I was sad when Bucky passed away. I've posted a time or two. Nothing memorable, I'm sure. Rest assured, there are more lurkers like me out here. And, if they're anything like me, they're learning. And rooting for you guys and screaming at the spammers and the scammers and the evangelists. Thanks for listening if you stayed awake this long. And thanks for everything I've learned in the past four years. >Hi, all. > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >Thanks for listening if you stayed awake this long. And thanks for >everything I've learned in the past four years. I live about 30 miles from where Charles Evans lived.O ne day h e called me out of the blue and we communicated until his demise. That was when we seemed to have more friends. Charles was blunt to some but he always a friend to me. He did help so many in many ways. I was the country bum and he actually was a big shot. We were a lot more into the basics of diabetes then.. I was still learning and hoping for some new advances. Charles and his wife visited my house but I could not travel so never could take his invitation to visit. I am still using the Glucovance he gave me. Thanks for reminding me. I think it is about time for his birthday. Think I will look it up and maybe call his wife or kids, Life is too short when you have good people to associate with. Guy > Hi, all. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hi, my name is Laura. And so far I do not have diabetes. Hello, Laura > Which begs the question, why am I here? Welcome > I am here and have been here since December 2001. Shortly after my > father in law passed away, He had Type 2. His official cause of > death was congestive heart failure. I am married to his son. I > wanted to learn because father in law's mother was also diabetic. See > a theme? I doubted my husband's willingness to learn about it, so I > figured one of us should. Good idea. > Now. This same father in law was stricken with a tumor on his > pituitary gland in the early eighties. In the nineties, his thyroid [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Shrug...as my husband would say "That's why they call it *practicing* > medicine." Sorry about the graves. What kind of diet do you have for that? > Anyway, during my early twenties I was hit with a bout of severe > weight loss. GTT determined borderline diabetes. No information, no > further testing, no treatment. Be on your way little lady, we have > real patients to treat. Mid twenties I was "borderline" gestation > diabetic. No information, no treatment. Healthy baby boy. That should concern you. And I guess it does. > So, 2001 rolls around and I see this funky chain of dominoes building > up. Weight gain attributed to a messed up thyroid and depression. > Too much weight around the middle, funky lipids.Hey your dad has > cholesterol problems, and besides you have a fasting BG of 85 and an > A1c of 5.6. Don't worry so much. Watch your concentrated sugar intake > and eat low fat. Or maybe low carb, good fats, and excercise would be better. > So, that's why I, a non-diabetic, am here. To try and stay that way. > I came for information and stayed because I really liked the people I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks for listening if you stayed awake this long. And thanks for > everything I've learned in the past four years. Well, good luck with your own health, and also with your husbands. I wish you well. regards, rudy bantista@thuntek.net >> Hi, all. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >Welcome Thank you Rudy. >> I am here and have been here since December 2001. Shortly after my >> father in law passed away, He had Type 2. His official cause of [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >Sorry about the graves. What kind of diet do you have for that? I was never instructed about diet for the graves. I underwent two years of beta blocker treatment which did no good and reluctantly underwent the radio active iodine treatment, which has effectively killed off the little bugger...or rather little butterfly, which had become a rather large goiter that I was getting ready to name. No I go back and forth trying to get the synthetic thyroid levels where they need to be to keep me where I'm supposed to be. I became so hypo after the treatment due to a miscommunication from my Endo (no longer my endo!) that I really thought I was dying. Now we're just aiming for the right balance of supplements. It's been a ride. >> Anyway, during my early twenties I was hit with a bout of severe >> weight loss. GTT determined borderline diabetes. No information, no [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >Or maybe low carb, good fats, and excercise would be better. Which is exactly the tact I've taken thanks to the good posters here and a lot of independent research. I give a lot of credit to Quentin and other posters for convincing me that syndrome X was more than just another "fad". >> So, that's why I, a non-diabetic, am here. To try and stay that way. >> I came for information and stayed because I really liked the people I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Well, good luck with your own health, and also with your husbands. I wish >you well. again, thank you. >regards, >rudy >bantista@thuntek.net > I was never instructed about diet for the graves. I underwent two > years of beta blocker treatment which did no good and reluctantly [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > longer my endo!) that I really thought I was dying. Now we're just > aiming for the right balance of supplements. It's been a ride. Hello, Laura Glad you have it somewhat under control. Hope that balance gets better. For some reason, I always mix graves up with crohns which is very different. It's a brain thing... I know someone with graves, too. Their disease resolved with meds, fortunately. Actually, I know more than one person with graves who have no problems currently. One of them eats a very modest, lower carb lower fat diet, but that is completely unrelated to his disease. Be well. regards, rudy bantista@thuntek.net Laura... You may be the smartest person I've ever met. My fervent wish for you is that you lurk forever and never have to write the post that tells us you've move over to our side of the street. Stay the course! Jennifer > Hi, all. > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > Thanks for listening if you stayed awake this long. And thanks for > everything I've learned in the past four years. >Laura... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Jennifer Jennifer, Coming from you, I consider that the best compliment I've received in years. Thank you. Laura >>Laura... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Thank you. >Laura Hi Laura I agree with you - and Jennifer. Thanks for posting your story; I never forget the lurkers. Hi lurkers (waving:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.  SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >Hi Laura > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Hi lurkers (waving:-) >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. Hi Alan. Thanks for the warm welcome. And welcome back from your walk about. I've always enjoyed your posts and your humor. You're sure to run into a lot of diabetics in your everday life, and I think you'll end up helping a lot of people to understand it a bit better with your knowledge. I hope you never have to officially join, but good for you on taking the time to learn! -- Cheri Laura@notmy.com wrote in message ... >Hi, all. > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >Thanks for listening if you stayed awake this long. And thanks for >everything I've learned in the past four years. >You're sure to run into a lot of diabetics in your everday life, and I >think you'll end up helping a lot of people to understand it a bit >better with your knowledge. I hope you never have to officially join, >but good for you on taking the time to learn! Hi, Cheri You know the threads that run through here from time to time about knowing someone is diabetic and cringing in horror as they gobble up stuff that they really ought not eat? I suffer from witnessing those events as well. I had a co worker who told us that she was diabetic and proceeded to horrify even the least health conscious of us by making breakfasts of these containers of chocolate covered icecream bon bons. Her claim was "hey, gotta die of something", One of her co workers had a complete hissy. I patted her on the back and told her that she needed to let it go. I figure a 36 year old mother of three who boldy proclaims that "ya gotta die of something" and basically tells people who don't want to see her die like THAT (slowly, painfully, one limb, eye, body system at a time) to piss off, pretty much knows what she wants. And that's to be left alone. Other folks seem to warm to my tendancy to "know these things"...I'm called "Dr. Mom" at the office. Thanks for the welcome. I enjoy your humor. >>You're sure to run into a lot of diabetics in your everday life, and I >>think you'll end up helping a lot of people to understand it a bit [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Thanks for the welcome. I enjoy your humor. Tell her she will be singing a different tune, when neuropathy sets in.... Will, T2 > Hi, all. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hi, my name is Laura. And so far I do not have diabetes. Not everyone here has diabetes. Some have a friend, relative or even a coworker who has diabetes. Sopme have pre-diabetes or reactive hypoglycemia. > Which begs the question, why am I here? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a theme? I doubted my husband's willingness to learn about it, so I > figured one of us should. Unfortunately some people like to live in denial or think that bad things will never happen to them. > Now. This same father in law was stricken with a tumor on his > pituitary gland in the early eighties. In the nineties, his thyroid [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Shrug...as my husband would say "That's why they call it *practicing* > medicine." This sounds like what has happened to me. Reactive hypoglycemia as a child. Odd fainting spells. The Dr. even thought I might be anorexic because I was so severely underweight. He thought I was fainting from not eating. But sometimes I'd faint right after a meal. I tried and tried to gain weight, but it just didn't happen. Then the thyroid problems began when I was pregnant. Hypo, hyper, hypo again. Weight went up and down. > Anyway, during my early twenties I was hit with a bout of severe > weight loss. GTT determined borderline diabetes. No information, no > further testing, no treatment. Be on your way little lady, we have > real patients to treat. Mid twenties I was "borderline" gestation > diabetic. No information, no treatment. Healthy baby boy. Again, sounds similar. When I was pregnant, I was seeing 5 Drs. at my Ob/Gyn clinic. 3 said I didn't have GD and two said they were going to treat me as though I did. Then after the baby I was constantly sick with ear infections and odd skin problems. One Dr. told me I had diabetes. He determined this from a fingerstick. Sent me on my merry way. I was furious and felt helpless. But I was too sick to do much. So my husband called him and the Dr. then changed his tune and said I didn't have diabetes. So I saw another Dr. who insisted that I didn't have diabetes. The problems continued to the point where I couldn't walk. Neuropathy (nerve damage from high BG) had set in. And then a whole set of new chapters of things that were failed to be diagnosed, misdiagnosed, mistreated. All in all, bad medical care. Until I moved to another state and finally saw some good Drs. > So, 2001 rolls around and I see this funky chain of dominoes building > up. Weight gain attributed to a messed up thyroid and depression. > Too much weight around the middle, funky lipids.Hey your dad has > cholesterol problems, and besides you have a fasting BG of 85 and an > A1c of 5.6. Don't worry so much. Watch your concentrated sugar intake > and eat low fat. Uh oh. > So, that's why I, a non-diabetic, am here. To try and stay that way. > I came for information and stayed because I really liked the people I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks for listening if you stayed awake this long. And thanks for > everything I've learned in the past four years. I hope you are seeing an Endocrinologist. With all the Endocrine problems you have, it would be wise to do so. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm > The problems continued to the point where I couldn't walk. Neuropathy > (nerve damage from high BG) had set in. And then a whole set of new > chapters of things that were failed to be diagnosed, misdiagnosed, > mistreated. Oh, Julie. I am so sorry you went through that! ....I know about not being able to walk..... I hope your neuropathy is better now. I felt like I was dying. You know what? A little longer, and I would have been dead. It does not take too much imagination to understand exactly what you must have endured. I really do admire you. Will, T2 >> Hi, all. >> [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] >I hope you are seeing an Endocrinologist. With all the Endocrine problems >you have, it would be wise to do so. Hi, Julie. I've been following your medical odessy for sometime. I, too, was a military wife. Hubby's been out for 15 years now. I have admired your tenacity as well as your devotion to your daughter. There are so many out there with minor health troubles that allow that to be a reason for neglect, that your dedication in spite of your problems is refreshing. I hope that your current search for a life after food allergies...wow...what a ride... gets easier. I have a hard enough time balancing my diet without any real limitations other than monitoring the usual suspects -- trans fats, saturated fats, refined foods, etc. I cannot imagine your frustration. I am currently in the market for a new Endo. Having the last one fail to tell me when to stop taking the anti-thyroid meds after the RAI treatment which sent me severely hypo made me conclude that a doctor who fails to communicate something that major, and then blames his receptionist for the error is not someone I need to deal with. Good luck to you and Angela in your search for an allergen free way of life. > Thanks for listening if you stayed awake this long. And thanks for > everything I've learned in the past four years. Hi, Laura - thanks for sharing your story! Some of it sounded very familiar : ( Here's hoping that the diabetes stays away. You don't need the added complications - but I bet you'd be strong enough and smart enough to cope with them if it sneaks up on you anyway. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >> Thanks for listening if you stayed awake this long. And thanks for >> everything I've learned in the past four years. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Nicky. Thanks so much, Nicky. The old saying is knowledge is power. The trick is sifting through the information to separate the meaningful from the bull and then applying it. Visiting with people who walk the walk is really encouraging. : >> Thanks for listening if you stayed awake this long. And thanks for : >> everything I've learned in the past four years. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : > : >Nicky. : Thanks so much, Nicky. The old saying is knowledge is power. The : trick is sifting through the information to separate the meaningful : from the bull and then applying it. : Visiting with people who walk the walk is really encouraging. Laura, Welcome to the group adn I am happ tht you have no joined the club no one wants to join. My best offereing is "Have I got a breakfast for you!" It's all over the group. I imagine by now tht everyone knows it, so I won't repeat it. Anyway,-Welcome Wendy >Laura, >Welcome to the group adn I am happ tht you have no joined the club no one [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Wendy Wendy, You offer so much more than a fine breakfast. You offer insight, common sense and good humor. Plus some information and insight into Kosher eating that I might not otherwise have known. Plus, you're an inspiration to keep on keeping on inspite of what life throws your way. If I recall correctly you've dealt with broken bones and eye trouble, but you still carry on and offer what you can. Thanks for the welcome. Laura, thank you so much for your post. It makes me feel real good that we are doing good work for the people who are lurking and not posting. You are a smart lady by trying to avoid it as best you can. Charles Evans was a gentlemen and Buck was just so special. keep reading and maybe you can post some more. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >Laura, thank you so much for your post. It makes me feel real good that >we are doing good work for the people who are lurking and not posting. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Loretta Thanks Loretta! I credit you for coming out of lurkdom after your warm comments to me following the loss of your Mother in Law. I realized that I was feeling something of a voyeur and it suddenly felt a little creepy. You're all such nice folks, I finally decided to step on out of my rather shy self and try and make a connection. All the nice responses have bolstered that. Thanks for the push. Hope your leg is healing nicely. Laura Thank you Laura, my foot is ankle is mending. bones break and heal, the heart is a more difficult. It makes me happy to hear that I was instrumental in bring you out of the shadows. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > So, that's why I, a non-diabetic, am here. To try and stay that way. > I came for information and stayed because I really liked the people I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks for listening if you stayed awake this long. And thanks for > everything I've learned in the past four years Thank you very much for your post, Laura. You seem like a really great person and a wonderful wife. Your husband is a very lucky man to have you! I am truly sorry to hear about your own medical issues.... But, at least, you seem like a very intelligent woman who knows the value of ferreting out information and acting reasonably on what you learn. I am sure I speak for all of us, when I say I wish you well. Will, T2 >Thank you very much for your post, Laura. You seem like a really great >person and a wonderful wife. Your husband is a very lucky man to have you! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I am sure I speak for all of us, when I say I wish you well. >Will, T2 Thanks for the welcome and the encouragement. Your recent philosophical posts have been giving me pause for reflection. Thanks for that. > Thanks for the welcome and the encouragement. Your recent > philosophical posts have been giving me pause for reflection. Thanks > for that. Laura, you are a dear. I am just like the Tin Woodman, looking for his heart, or the Scarecrow, wanting for some good sharp brains. Or, maybe I am like the Lion, wishing some courage. Mostly, I think I am like Dorothy, just wanting to go back to Kansas..... Remember, all we have to do is "follow the yellow brick road"... The trick is staying on it when it seems to peter out in a field of poppies, and the evil witch comes. <wink> Will, T2 > Rest assured, there are more lurkers like me out here. And, if > they're anything like me, they're learning. And seem like darn fine people. :-) Priscilla Laura, I'm one of those that I believe the doctors would do as they did you..."run along we have real patients to treat". The times I talked to doctors about my reactive hypoglycemia, they were basically unconcerned and useless about any practical advice. Fortunately, one did clue me in to the fact that reactive hypoglycemia is a precursor to diabetes. Anyway my fasting BS is fine; my 2 hour is "usually" fine. However, certain foods spike my 1 hr BS at about 180. If it weren't for these fine and smart people, I wouldn't even have known to check the one hour, and I'd still be on that rollercoaster. So welcome! Stay and chat. :-) Michelle >Laura, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >So welcome! Stay and chat. :-) >Michelle Thanks Michelle. The post prandials sometimes befuddle me. I got a meter after reading a post from Jennifer. The fastings are always fine and the two hour readings are okay ... I think. The one hour can get a little confounding. The numbers given here about what a non-diabetic would never go over sometimes confuse me and make me wonder what's really going on. Maybe I'm on the mini-coaster.... Thanks for the thoughts. >Thanks Michelle. >The post prandials sometimes befuddle me. I got a meter after reading >a post from Jennifer. The fastings are always fine and the two hour >readings are okay ... I think. The one hour can get a little >confounding. Try following Jennifer's full advice for a full day then post your menu, portions, and results. If you're brave - because we may tell it like it is. http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm Good luck. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >> Rest assured, there are more lurkers like me out here. And, if >> they're anything like me, they're learning. > >And seem like darn fine people. :-) > >Priscilla Thanks, Priscilla. Good to meet you :) >Hi, all. > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >Thanks for listening if you stayed awake this long. And thanks for >everything I've learned in the past four years. Sorry for the late post. I often can't get here, so I try to do a few days worth of postings at a time. I love to see lurkers de-lurk, if even for a bit, because I think it helps some of the more regular posters know if they the things they post on are doing anyone any good. You yourself have had a difficult road, and have handle 'd it well. Please continue to lurk at the very least. Post every now and again too. Sleepy _______________________________________________________ The ability to simplify means to eliminate the unnecessary so that the necessary may speak. -Hans Hofmann, painter (1880-1966) _______________________________________________________ >>Hi, all. >> [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >necessary may speak. -Hans Hofmann, painter (1880-1966) >_______________________________________________________ Thanks for the welcome, Sleepy. Compared to many, yourself included, mine's been a walk in the park. Thanks for the encouragement. It does wonders. Laura |
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