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gary - 18 Jan 2006 13:31 GMT
my mom is a diabetic.
she wasn't feeling well yesterday, the doctor said she was slightly
dehydrated.  she drinks plenty of water, but he suggested a sports drink
like Gatorade to help.

thing is, she cant drink Gatorade due to the high sugar and sodium content.

is there something out there that has the electrolytes but is low in sodium
and sugar?

Gary
BessieBee - 18 Jan 2006 13:42 GMT
>my mom is a diabetic.
>she wasn't feeling well yesterday, the doctor said she was slightly
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Gary

How about pedialyte?  From what I understand, though, electrolytes are
sodium, but pedialyte is low in sugar content.  Can't give you
figures, but it's what doctors recommend for babies who need fluid.

BessieBee
Nico Kadel-Garcia - 18 Jan 2006 13:51 GMT
>>my mom is a diabetic.
>>she wasn't feeling well yesterday, the doctor said she was slightly
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> sodium, but pedialyte is low in sugar content.  Can't give you
> figures, but it's what doctors recommend for babies who need fluid.

Talk to the doctor. The whole point of Gatorade and Pedialyte are to give a
bit of sugar and a good bit of electrolytes, namely sodium and potassium.
Maybe he can suggest a modest dose, diluted, to help her replenish the
electrolytes but not provide *too* much sodium.
Alice Faber - 18 Jan 2006 16:30 GMT
> >>my mom is a diabetic.
> >>she wasn't feeling well yesterday, the doctor said she was slightly
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Maybe he can suggest a modest dose, diluted, to help her replenish the
> electrolytes but not provide *too* much sodium.

I'm not remembering the brand name (Propel Fitness Water, perhaps?), but
my supermarket had a Gatorade analog with 3g carb per serving rather
than the 30+ of Gatorade. It has both sucrose (*not* high fructose corn
syrup) and artificial sweetener (a blend of Ace-K and Splenda, as I
recall). I don't recall the sodium level, but, as Nico said, any sports
drink will have at least some sodium.

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gary - 18 Jan 2006 17:00 GMT
thanks for the info everybody.

I will have mom ask her doctor what he recommends, she is supposed to see
him in a couple of days.

gary

>> >>my mom is a diabetic.
>> >>she wasn't feeling well yesterday, the doctor said she was slightly
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> recall). I don't recall the sodium level, but, as Nico said, any sports
> drink will have at least some sodium.
Pete Romfh - 18 Jan 2006 14:15 GMT
> my mom is a diabetic.
> she wasn't feeling well yesterday, the doctor said she
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Gary

The purpose of electrolyte replacements is to provide sodium and potassium.
However they need to be quite dilute to be effective. If you put too
concentrated a sugar or salt solution (hypertonic) in the stomach the body
pulls fluids from other areas to try and dilute it there. A solution that's
diluted to a lower level than the body fluids (hypotonic) causes the body to
absorb the fluid into the system which is what you want in this case.

Remember that the body will usually try to keep electrolyte levels equal
inside and outside the gut (homeostasis).

Here's a recipe to try.
                   *  Exported from  Mastercook  *

                          Electrolyte Drinks

Recipe By     : Pete Romfh
Serving Size  : 4    Preparation Time :0:05
Categories    : Drinks & Beverages

 Amount  Measure       Ingredient -- Preparation Method
--------  ------------  --------------------------------
    1/4  teaspoon      salt
    1/4  teaspoon      baking soda (sodium bicarbonate)
    1/2  cup               orange juice
                               OR 1/2 mashed banana (these provide
potassium)
  2      tablespoons   sugar
                       OR 1 1/2 Tbsp honey
                       OR 1 TBS Splenda (or other sugar substitute)
  1      liter         water
                       lemon juice to taste (if desired--just for flavor)

Some people find that this is unpleasantly sweet, hence the lemon juice. If
you don't have baking soda, you can use 1/2 tsp salt. Another version of
this would double the amount of salt, baking soda, and orange juice/banana;
the most recent studies in childhood diarrhea (which use potassium chloride
in place of the orange/banana) show that the more dilute version gives
better results.

(If you're using this for diarrhea, by the way, 2 Tbsp rice flour and the
whole thing simmered briefly works even better than 2 Tbsp sugar.)

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gary - 18 Jan 2006 17:02 GMT
neat.
I will give this to her, plus she can ask her doc about it when she sees him
next.

thanks a lot for the info!

gary

>> my mom is a diabetic.
>> she wasn't feeling well yesterday, the doctor said she
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Ma¢k - 18 Jan 2006 16:33 GMT
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:31:27 -0500, "gary"
<garym_jacksonfurniture_dontspamme_@hotmail.com> Huffed and Puffed the
following into the madness of usenet:

>my mom is a diabetic.
>she wasn't feeling well yesterday, the doctor said she was slightly
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Gary

Diet Gatoraide.  it's hard to find in some places because many people
do not ask for it.

Now, if the doctor told a diabetic to drink regular gatoraide when she
was already dehydrated, you need to get a new doctor.  Drinking
regular gatoraide will raise BGs which will increase the rate of
dehydration.

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gary - 18 Jan 2006 17:01 GMT
he was not here regular doctor, was the emergency room doctor.

gary

> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:31:27 -0500, "gary"
> <garym_jacksonfurniture_dontspamme_@hotmail.com> Huffed and Puffed the
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> regular gatoraide will raise BGs which will increase the rate of
> dehydration.
Ma¢k - 18 Jan 2006 17:20 GMT
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:01:03 -0500, "gary"
<garym_jacksonfurniture_dontspamme_@hotmail.com> Huffed and Puffed the
following into the madness of usenet:

>he was not here regular doctor, was the emergency room doctor.
>
>gary

now that doesn't surprise me at all.

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Nico Kadel-Garcia - 18 Jan 2006 23:30 GMT
> Diet Gatoraide.  it's hard to find in some places because many people
> do not ask for it.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> regular gatoraide will raise BGs which will increase the rate of
> dehydration.

Only if it raises the BG's above the renal threshold, where the kidneys
start spilling urine. That level is about 200 mg/dL for a normally healthy
person, it can vary for long-term diabetics.

If you're exercising heavily and need the calories anyway, then Gatorade can
be effective. I've used it effectively when doing medic duty at the Pennsic
War: when the fighters there think the Gatorade tastes good, then you know
they really need it.
bj - 18 Jan 2006 23:53 GMT
> If you're exercising heavily and need the calories anyway, then Gatorade
> can be effective. I've used it effectively when doing medic duty at the
> Pennsic War: when the fighters there think the Gatorade tastes good, then
> you know they really need it.

I've heard over the years that *diluted* Gatorade was useful in marathon
running (& long training runs). I've never run so far as to need to try it
out.
bj
Julie Bove - 18 Jan 2006 17:23 GMT
> my mom is a diabetic.
> she wasn't feeling well yesterday, the doctor said she was slightly
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> is there something out there that has the electrolytes but is low in sodium
> and sugar?

Electrolytes are sodium and potassium.  Is there some reason why she can't
have sodium?  Sugar free sports drinks are available in some areas.  If you
can't find one, then look online for a recipe.  There are plenty.

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Quentin Grady - 18 Jan 2006 20:36 GMT
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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:31:27 -0500, "gary"

>my mom is a diabetic.
>she wasn't feeling well yesterday, the doctor said she was slightly
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Gary

G'day G'day Gary,

How about V8 vegetable juice?

http://www.v8juice.com/nutrition.aspx

The description of its virtues is pretty terrible but it might give
you some idea of the benefits. (They probably can't spell ORAC and
don't get me started on the V8 "diet")  

They have low sodium versions and vegetable are excellent sources of
magnesium and potassium. The big lesson from the DASH diet was that
blood pressure could be reduced by improving the intake of magnesium
and potassium without changing the sodium intake.  This came as a
surprise to those who don't realise it is only a subpopulation who are
sodium sensitive.  For those who are the DASH diet works better with
some sodium restriction BUT and its the big BUT, lowering sodium is
less important than improving magnesium and potassium.  Even improving
calcium via low fat cheese eg cottage cheese improves their health

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/hbp/prevent/h_eating/h_eating.htm

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/public/heart/hbp/dash/

Best wishes,

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Pete Romfh - 18 Jan 2006 21:37 GMT
I add lemon, worchestershire, and red pepper sauce to the low sodium
version of V8 as my "between meals" snack here at the office. It's
delicious and not too bad nutritionally.

I also drink it some evenings with a shot of good tequila. One
drink/day is all I allow myself and that works nicely.
bj - 18 Jan 2006 23:53 GMT
It goes well with vodka, too.
For another flavor variation, add some beef broth to the V8/vodka.
I believe this sort of drink was called a "Bloody Bull" where I was getting
it (but made w/ Bloody Mary mix rather than V8).
bj

>I add lemon, worchestershire, and red pepper sauce to the low sodium
> version of V8 as my "between meals" snack here at the office. It's
> delicious and not too bad nutritionally.
>
> I also drink it some evenings with a shot of good tequila. One
> drink/day is all I allow myself and that works nicely.
Chris J. - 18 Jan 2006 21:24 GMT
>my mom is a diabetic.
>she wasn't feeling well yesterday, the doctor said she was slightly
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>is there something out there that has the electrolytes but is low in sodium
>and sugar?

I do a lot of hiking, and found myself with similar needs (I'm a Type
2 diabetic).

I use Propel, which is sugar free and low (but not no) carb. I'm very
happy with it. It has 3 g's of carbs, 35 mg of sodium, 10 calories,
plus some C, E, and B vitamins. I don't see potassium mentioned by
amount, but one of the ingredients is acesulfamine potassium.

It's made by Gatorade.
Chakolate - 19 Jan 2006 05:22 GMT
> thing is, she cant drink Gatorade due to the high sugar and sodium
> content.
>
> is there something out there that has the electrolytes but is low in
> sodium and sugar?

Pedialyte, the unsweetened, unflavored one they use for infants.  She can
add her own flavorings, if she likes.  

Chak

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