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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2006Stress and diabetes...
Can acute stress cause a person's glucose reading to be higher than usual? It seems lately that my husband's blood sugar reading is higher when he is stressed. TIA  Signature...Carol in MO > Can acute stress cause a person's glucose reading to be higher than usual? > It seems lately that my husband's blood sugar reading is higher when he is > stressed. TIA Absolutely. stress hormones increase bg's just like DP increases bg's in many diabetics. Dave >> Can acute stress cause a person's glucose reading to be higher than >> usual? It seems lately that my husband's blood sugar reading is higher >> when he is stressed. TIA > Absolutely. stress hormones increase bg's just like DP increases bg's in > many diabetics. Thanks, Dave. I found the following article that explains it. It may be hard to conquer as hubby has a tendency to see everything in a negative light. He's had some health issues lately that I feel have contributed to his rise in bg levels. He can normally keep his readings under 140 which the doctor wants...but has had some spikes lately in 180's. Thanks again. http://www.diabetes.org/type-1-diabetes/stress.jsp Signature...Carol in MO >>> Can acute stress cause a person's glucose reading to be higher than >>> usual? It seems lately that my husband's blood sugar reading is higher [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >http://www.diabetes.org/type-1-diabetes/stress.jsp Hi Carol As well as stress affecting BGs, for some of us BGs affect mood. Chicken and egg, or catch 22. I had some major anger and depression problems in the early days when my BGs were all over the place after I learnt I had diabetes as well as leukemia. Can you persuade your husband to read here? We can't turn a negative attitude into a positive one but we can at least provide a little education. If he lurks long enough he'll find we aren't Pollyannas trying to get him to see the bright side - but it's hard to keep moaning over your fate when you start to realise that many posting here have other "health issues"; I found mine were trivial compared to some. Actually, compared to most. And he may find some ideas to bring those numbers down as well. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>>> Can acute stress cause a person's glucose reading to be higher than >>>> usual? It seems lately that my husband's blood sugar reading is higher [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. Ah, The Bright Side... Remember the crusifixion scene in "life of Brian"? Truly a profound moment, iimho. Very relevant to our situation, at least for some of us, it seems. I know my feet hurt about like that, at first, and my shoulder will never be the same. Anybody ever read anything by William Golding? Some may recognize him for "Lord of the Flies". He also wrote a book that won the Nobel Prize, called "Paper Men"... really good reading. In that book, the protagonist is an apparent alcoholic writer who suffers from the stigmata.... Will, T2 > Ah, The Bright Side... Remember the crusifixion scene in "life of > Brian"? Truly a profound moment, iimho. ...sorry...have not seen that...nor read William Golding. > Very relevant to our situation, at least for some of us, it seems. I > know my feet hurt about like that, at first, and my shoulder will [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Will, T2 >> Ah, The Bright Side... Remember the crusifixion scene in "life of >> Brian"? Truly a profound moment, iimho. > >...sorry...have not seen that...nor read William Golding. Hi Carol Try: http://www.thebards.net/music/lyrics/Always_Look_Bright_Side_Life.shtml Listen to it, visualising the singer hanging from a crucifix among a crowd of others in the same situation - who join for the choruses. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Listen to it, visualising the singer hanging from a crucifix > among a crowd of others in the same situation - who join for > the choruses. Thanks, Alan. I never thought of getting a link to the song. That was great, and it makes the point perfectly! Will, T2 >> Listen to it, visualising the singer hanging from a crucifix >> among a crowd of others in the same situation - who join for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Will, T2 If you are a music thief, (as I am) download Limewire,(http://www.limewire.com/english/content/home.shtml) and in the audio choice, plug in Monty Python and you will find all kinds of good stuff. Sleepy _______________________________________________________ The ability to simplify means to eliminate the unnecessary so that the necessary may speak. -Hans Hofmann, painter (1880-1966) _______________________________________________________ > If you are a music thief, (as I am) download > Limewire,(http://www.limewire.com/english/content/home.shtml) and in > the audio choice, plug in Monty Python and you will find all kinds of > good stuff. > > Sleepy Thanks for the tip, Sleepy. You are a prince among men! Will, T2 >> If you are a music thief, (as I am) download >> Limewire,(http://www.limewire.com/english/content/home.shtml) and in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Will, T2 I hope you found something you like. Sleepy _______________________________________________________ The ability to simplify means to eliminate the unnecessary so that the necessary may speak. -Hans Hofmann, painter (1880-1966) _______________________________________________________ >>> Ah, The Bright Side... Remember the crusifixion scene in "life of >>> Brian"? Truly a profound moment, iimho. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. I know that one ... Then the crows come ...peck out the eyes and start playing tennis with the kidneys while singing 'Whistle while you work' and off in the distance a chorus of high kicking ants wearing thongs and pasties chime in with a lively round of Queen's 'Another one bites the dust'. Never fails to put me to sleep. Thanks, you guys. I'll check this out when I have more time. Signature...Carol in MO "Alan S" <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> wrote... > Try: > http://www.thebards.net/music/lyrics/Always_Look_Bright_Side_Life.shtml [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >>>>> Can acute stress cause a person's glucose reading to be higher >>>>> than usual? It seems lately that my husband's blood sugar reading [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Will, T2 Stigmata ... is that when the pink elephants are religious? > Stigmata ... is that when the pink elephants are religious? Actually, Gene, that is part of the irony of Golding's book. There was nothing religious whatever about the central character of the book. As I recall, after his symptoms first manifiested, while he was in a drunken stupor on a Greek Island, trying to figure out what he was going to do about his disintegrating relationships and struggling to make some sort of sense of his situation, he did go into a church. But, any religious feelings seemed to quickly pass, and may have been even in the realm of superstition. My original impulse to write the post was due to some loose associative thinking, probably in a moment of madness, that the pain of diabetes can be similar to the suffering of one being crucified. That's why I also referred to the "Brighter Side of Life Song" in the Monty Python movie, "Life of Brian." It seems to me all we can do, as a group, if we would keep our sanity, is try to look on the brighter side of life. I think Alan S. picked up on that thought, when he posted the link to the song and its words, and asked people to visualize the scene in which it was performed. In short, it is as though we are all somehow in a similar fix, some of singing along together, trying to look on the brighter side. Indeed, I think it was something in a previous post of Alan's about the brighter side that caused me to think to respond as I did. After I was moved to write the original post this morning, I dug out some more info about Golding. It seems that the Nobel Prize was awarded for his lifetime achievements in literature, and not specifically for "The Paper Men." I just happened to read "The Paper Men" on the first of several readings of it at about the time Golding got the Nobel Prize. On the off chance that your question about the stigmata was serious, in Catholic tradition there is some significance to the stigmata, although in individual cases there may be some question about its significance and whether it is even real. Typically the sufferer feels real pain and appears to take on some of the attributes of the wounds of Christ. Among those who are reputed to have suffered the stigmata are St. Francis of Assisi and St. Catherine of Siena, and many others too numerous to name here. The stigmata may be both visible or invisible. My post is in no way meant to support, or criticize, people who take one position, or the other, about whether it is real, or what it signifies. Above all, I think tolerance is a virtue that we should all try to practice... Having said all that, how are you doing, my friend? It has been a few days since we have exchanged posts. I hope you are well. Will, T2 >> Stigmata ... is that when the pink elephants are religious? > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Will, T2 I was raised Catholic throughout my youth. Even went to Catholic schools. Somewhere around the raising of my children and today I left it behind. I doing great. Busy doing garage sales and finding an apartment. Found this going through the Garage yesterday, thought you might get a kick out of it. I'll give you a hint - it's not cummings. 'Life's Cadence' Elastic hugs, warm comfort, free floating, father's gloating Day dreams, muted sounds, soft caresses Pushing throbing, shoving contracting, Quickening beats, Pulling hands, Sounds deafening, gushing warmth, Acceptance comes, resonant cry, curious light Holding arms, caring bosom, tender embrace, mother's face. Life flys, school bells, playful days, teen trials Caps and gowns, Army braid, marching bands War bound, hellish sights, loud sounds Rifle shot, medic yells Quickening beats, Pulling hands, Sounds deafing, gushing warmth, Acceptance comes , resonant cry, curious light Holding arms, caring bosom, tender embrace, mother's face. >>> Stigmata ... is that when the pink elephants are religious? >> [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > >Holding arms, caring bosom, tender embrace, mother's face. Oh, Gene, .... somehow, I think you are sharing something of you OWN experience with us. I am honored, and I understand very deeply. We are all very blessed to know you. Will, T2 >>>> Stigmata ... is that when the pink elephants are religious? >>> [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > > Will, T2 Obvious I guess. I was around 25 when I wrote that in a letter. Not that good but from the heart and from my first childs birth and a friends death. It is amazing how close those two events are - maybe they are the same. We will all know - hopefully not to soon. Will, if the writings of yours in this group indicates your natural state then I'd guess the blessing is ours. You take care. By the way, I also found a box of old books from my fathers time that came as a set. They include Homer, Plato, two books on Aristotle and a bunch of others. I have a feeling I might have to crack a few open to try to keep up with you. I also found an old Lincoln Library and a Book titled "The complete Works of William Shakespeare". >>>>> Stigmata ... is that when the pink elephants are religious? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] >I also found an old Lincoln Library and a Book titled "The complete Works >of William Shakespeare". Thanks, Gene I am nobody special. Just another person, like you, stuck in this place and time, trying to live out whatever I am here for... Call it what you will. I am just doing the best I can, in my way, like you are in yours. If anything I say or do is of positive benefit to anyone listening, then I guess it is worth it. By the way, all of the books you just mentioned are truly wonderful in ways beyond counting. One could do far worse with his time. Maybe one day, we can share some of our experiences some more. Will, T2 Oh, wow, how expressive Gene... >>>>Stigmata ... is that when the pink elephants are religious? >>> [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > > Will, T2 > Oh, wow, how expressive Gene... Thanks, it's about 30 years old. I'm less expressive now days but more expansive. >>>>>Stigmata ... is that when the pink elephants are religious? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] >> >> Will, T2 >> Oh, wow, how expressive Gene... > >Thanks, it's about 30 years old. I'm less expressive now days but more >expansive. That's a beautiful piece, thanks for sharing. >>>> 'Life's Cadence' >>>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>>> >>>>Holding arms, caring bosom, tender embrace, mother's face. >>> Oh, wow, how expressive Gene... >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >>>>> >>>>>Holding arms, caring bosom, tender embrace, mother's face. Hey, brother like I always say "What yours is mine.":) >Hey, brother like I always say "What yours is mine.":) Ahhhh, well, ummm, that's very generous of, er, me? <grin> >>Hey, brother like I always say "What yours is mine.":) > > Ahhhh, well, ummm, that's very generous of, er, me? <grin> Can't slip nothing pass you. I like that. Good nite. >>Hey, brother like I always say "What yours is mine.":) > > Ahhhh, well, ummm, that's very generous of, er, me? <grin> Hubby endowed me with all my worldly goods when we got married. He a relative of yours, Gene? : ) Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote in news:43cp5aF1m5rieU3 @individual.net: >>>Hey, brother like I always say "What yours is mine.":) >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Nicky. We are all dogs of different breeds. When my daughter got married she asked me why men have bachelor parties. I told her it's to get the man used to saying 'I do'. She asked what I meant. I told her that all night he was going to asked questions that were always answered "I do.". Like "Hey, Bill. Do you want another Beer?" Or "Hey Bill. Do you want to see who's in the cake?" After the party he just will naturally say "I do" when the preacher asks. > Hi Carol > As well as stress affecting BGs, for some of us BGs affect > mood. Chicken and egg, or catch 22. I had some major anger > and depression problems in the early days when my BGs were > all over the place after I learnt I had diabetes as well as > leukemia. ...Alan, I think some of his problem is "anger" at having it...mixed with depression about it. > Can you persuade your husband to read here? We can't turn a > negative attitude into a positive one but we can at least > provide a little education. ...He was diagnosed July 2004 and I did come here and got lots of info. I also checked out about 8 books from the Library which were a big help. My husband hates computers...so coming here is not an option for him. (old school). He resists change! > If he lurks long enough he'll find we aren't Pollyannas > trying to get him to see the bright side - but it's hard to > keep moaning over your fate when you start to realise that > many posting here have other "health issues"; I found mine > were trivial compared to some. Actually, compared to most. ...Yes, we have several in the family fighting serious cancer and I think that doesn't help the stress. I walk every morning and have been able to get him to come with me. He balked at times...and his bg readings were not as good. Anyway, he found that walking does Help the readings to come down. We've been known to take a walk between the first reading (too high) and secondary reading (wherein the reading came down...from the walk?). > And he may find some ideas to bring those numbers down as > well. ...Thanks, Alan. He had blood drawn last Friday for his next A1c reading. He's only had 2 before that I remember...and the second one was lower than the first...I think less than 7? I'm curious to see how things are going. We go back to doctor on the 27th and will find out for sure how things are going. I had thought he was in the beginning stages of Alzheimer's...but after reading all the stuff about Diabetes I was wondering if his symptoms were caused from the diabetes. Now I'm not sure...it may be a little of both. He'll be 80 in July. I appreciate your help. Signature...Carol in MO > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >> Hi Carol >> As well as stress affecting BGs, for some of us BGs affect [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >I appreciate your help. Hi Carol Sometimes we stop sniping at each other and get serious. I'll try not to be pompous - but I'll probably fail:-) I appreciate your situation - and his. I fully understand his anger; I went through that too. And the depression - I wouldn't be here if my wife hadn't refused to leave the car when I was about to drive off a Swiss cliff in 2003. I have no magic answers. Keep reading and learning; if you are the cook you can slowly change his diet with regular one-hour post-prandial tests (if he'll test - read Jennifer's advice); keep doing the exercise to benefit you both; print out the occasional bit of good info if he'll read it. And treat his afflictions as part of life, to be treated as best he can but not as the focus of his being. Or yours. I decided back in 2002 that, whatever years I had left, they were going to be good years. I couldn't change the past, only the present, and I immediately started planning to do the travel I had always thought I couldn't afford and to enjoy the things I had always responsibly deferred. Oddly, since then, I've been lucky enough to find these strange and wonderful usenet people who showed me how to handle the diabetes - and my other ailments have serendipitously also improved. Maybe Damocles Sword will descend tomorrow - but I no longer worry much about it. I'm fitter than I've been for thirty years apart from a few incurable diseases. Good luck, to both of you. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Alan, I like your philosophy. Thanks for sharing. We'll work on this. Signature...Carol in MO "Alan S" <loralweightandcarbs@optusnet.com.au> wrote... > Hi Carol > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. Hi Carol. The article you pointed us to is excellent, but it is pretty short on the mechanics of the stress/glucose relationship. Stress triggers the release of cortisol, and cortisol "counterregulates" insulin by causing temporary insulin resistance in our liver and muscle cells. The liver and muscle cells can't take up as much glucose, so blood glucose levels rise. When stress is chronic, then counterregulation/insulin resistance becomes chronic, and that starts a cascade of unpleasant events, the last of which is often type 2 diabetes. Russ Farris http://www.potbellysyndrome.com "Carol in MO" <dogieaYEE@HAWatt.net> wrote in message news:MB0zf.488462$zb5.256526@bgtnsc04-> Thanks, Dave. I found the following article that explains it. It may be > hard to conquer as hubby has a tendency to see everything in a negative > light. He's had some health issues lately that I feel have contributed to > his rise in bg levels. He can normally keep his readings under 140 which > the doctor wants...but has had some spikes lately in 180's. Thanks again. > http://www.diabetes.org/type-1-diabetes/stress.jsp > ...Carol in MO > Can acute stress cause a person's glucose reading to be higher than usual? > It seems lately that my husband's blood sugar reading is higher when he is > stressed. TIA Yep! SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm Thanks, Julie. Looks like I'm on the right track. Now for a solution. Signature...Carol in MO >> Can acute stress cause a person's glucose reading to be higher than >> usual? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Yep! I am proof of that for sure. The morning of my mother in laws funeral, I woke with a bg of 168, I test three different times and got about the same reading. I am always under 110 in the morning. It happened that day and so far not since. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Thanks for responding, Loretta. Hope things get better soon. Signature...Carol in MO >I am proof of that for sure. The morning of my mother in laws funeral, > I woke with a bg of 168, I test three different times and got about the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. >Can acute stress cause a person's glucose reading to be higher than usual? >It seems lately that my husband's blood sugar reading is higher when he is >stressed. TIA yep happens all the time. what does he do for stress management? SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. > what does he do for stress management? Hi, Mack. I have been able to get him to walk and it seems to help. I know that he needs to get more exercise. He doesn't seem to understand just exactly what carbs are and that they are in so many more foods than he realizes. We're working on it. Signature...Carol in MO Alan: About stress... lots of stress for me after running 3 miles..but nice to see bg get low real fast... On the other hand just back from a very turbulent flight over the mountains which scared me pretty badly up 1200 ft and down 1200 ft in mountain waves.. checked my sugar back home .... very high (225)..Worse than a roller coaster.! May have to sell my little plane someday as it may be getting harder on my body. Maybe we need to come up with a good cortisol antagonist..Now I need to run to knock my sugar levels down. Maybe I'll also try a glass of wine..:+) Larry > >Can acute stress cause a person's glucose reading to be higher than usual? > >It seems lately that my husband's blood sugar reading is higher when he is [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jesus never hated anyone. Any chance you could get him to volunteer 1 or 2 hours a week somewhere? It wasn't until I was around people wiht problems worst than mine that I started to realize my life cpould be worst. Lynne Hi Lynne, He tried that and gave it up. I encourage him to get out more...but it's hard. Thanks. Signature...Carol in MO > Any chance you could get him to volunteer 1 or 2 hours a week > somewhere? It wasn't until I was around people wiht problems worst > than mine that I started to realize my life cpould be worst. > > Lynne Any chance you could get him to volunteer 1 or 2 hours a week somewhere? It wasn't until I was around people wiht problems worst than mine that I started to realize my life cpould be worst. Lynne |
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