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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2006Idiot posts from idiot posters
Hi, I was recently diagnosed as a Type 2 diabetic. Now I realise that a lot of posts here are about the treatment of diabetes and other helpful things. What bothers me is the number of posts criticising diabetics for being diabetic. According to these posts (by ignorant posters) all diabetics are obese. These posts don't actually *help* anyone - and they're not meant to. They just lambast all diabetics as lazy, obese people of low intelligence. Now I'm a bit overweight - but not much. I'm certainly not obese and never have been. My neighbour, also diabetic but Type 1 is, and always has been, underweight. My diabetes came about 5 years after a stroke (a congenital condition), before which I was fairly active. According to most people who know me, my intelligence is fairly high. But these (stupid) posters seem to know that all diabetes is caused by the sufferer's own stupidity - a stupid diet, a stupid weight, a stupid person all round. So they take some kind of perverse pleasure in posting ignorant and destructive criticism of people who *_suffer_*! Certainly there are diabetics whose condition may be self-induced. But what pleasure there can be in insulting them (or all of us) I really don't know - and I don't want to know. So to those of such stupidity I can only say, I hope you and yours never suffer from any illness. If you or yours do, I hope you never get the stupid lambasting you give us. Your current intolerance you should take elsewhere, though I doubt you will. To the rest of us here, please don't dignify such puerility by replying to it, it's not worth the hassle. And if we ignore it, it might just go away! Take care, Phil. "Time wounds all heels." http://www.aypee.me.uk/index.html Best to ignore them, especially the crossposters from other non diabetic related groups, whose sole purpose is to fat bash. There are a couple of them hanging out in the groups right now. I have KF'd them so they come up in blue even if they change their posting names. Makes for a better all around experience. :-) -- Cheri Phil Aypee wrote in message ... >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >According to most people who know me, my intelligence is fairly high. >But these (stupid) posters seem to know that all diabetes is caused by the sufferer's own stupidity - a stupid diet, a stupid weight, a stupid person all round. >So they take some kind of perverse pleasure in posting ignorant and destructive criticism of people who *_suffer_*! > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >http://www.aypee.me.uk/index.html I have KF'd them so they come > up in blue even if they change their posting names. Makes for a better > all around experience. :-) Hi--- I have IE, and I wonder how I can killfile someone, as you have done, even if they change their posting names. I'd sure like to know. Thanks---- Best--- 'Tis Himself Ron, a Scot T2 Metformin 1000/Day Avandia 8 Mg/Day 12 U. Lantus/Day 12 to 15 U. Novalog w/meals Hbaic down from 9.2 to 7 and working on it Practice safe eating. Always use condiments. I have old OE 4. To killfile in mine, you go to options, newsgroups filters, and then add the name or subject. I then click on show unread messages as well as filtered messages, which causes them to come up in blue. If I don't want to see the header at all, I click off the check mark on filtered messages I don't know how it does it, but when posters change their names, such as adding a character or an extra letter or variation as MU used to do, they still come up in blue. HTH, but I don't know if it works on other versions of OE or not. -- Cheri Ron G wrote in message ... > I have KF'd them so they come >> up in blue even if they change their posting names. Makes for a better [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Practice safe eating. Always use condiments. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > These posts don't actually *help* anyone - and they're not meant to. > They just lambast all diabetics as lazy, obese people of low intelligence. Please name the poster you are alluding to. dave I'm sure it's BlubberSlap and his alternate egos. :-) -- Cheri David wrote in message ... >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >dave > I'm sure it's BlubberSlap and his alternate egos. :-) Sure to be the crossposting dills that troll the fat acceptance groups. >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >dave Be careful, Dave. They might mention you or me. :-) Guy >What bothers me is the number of posts criticising diabetics for being diabetic. They're called "trolls." Every newsgroup has them. The troll activity is proportional to the amount of response they get. Never forget good old Bob Heinlein* "Ninety percent of everything is crud." *Attribution uncertain; certainly the idea has been around for a while... Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G > "Ninety percent of everything is > crud." That was acutally Theodore Strugeon. As a matter of fact it's referred to by science fiction fans as Sturgeon's Law. (The full quote is: "Ninety percent of science fiction is crud. Ninety percent of everything is crud.") Although I'm sure Heinlein would agree. Welcome to a great source of support, information, sympathy, ideas, even some recipes! Also welcome to the silliest collection of idiots (except for the ones on m.h.d who tend to be a bit more technical - nuts with bolts!) in the diabetic world. I've been here upwards of 10 years (old timer in the sense of being REALLY old - 77+) and you are right - eventually this batch will go away. To be replaced, sadly, by others who want their 15 minutes. Anyone remember Phildo? We survived him. We'll survive the religious "Dr" and the ironmonger and the new blubberhater. Just think of the amount of fat in his head - or her head - or its head.............Probably an adolescent. Nan, Type 2 since 1990. > Welcome to a great source of support, information, sympathy, ideas, > even some recipes! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > away. > To be replaced, sadly, by others who want their 15 minutes. Isn't life just one great big barrel of monkeys? Will, T2 >Welcome to a great source of support, information, sympathy, ideas, >even some recipes! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Nan, Type 2 since 1990. Nan, I will take this opportunity to thank you for your sensible contributions o the diabetes groups Guy Hi Nan (et al.), I don't know if anyone does remember Phildo, but someone using that handle has just posted (inoffensively) to another diabetic group. But it seems Phildo is not popular there either, though very full of himself. This person is also diabetic - is that likely to be the one? Whatever, they're off to the Caribbean for months. I have noticed that almost all of the idiot posters are ignorant of whatever subject they choose to write on. Someone recently crossed swords with me over old (steam) engineering. Finding I knew *much* more, abuse was the response. As I said, idiot posters. But I do admire helpful, constructive criticism - even if I disagree with it. I won't actually killfile anybody, no matter how abusive they are. After all, they *might* say something useful (not likely but possible!). Take care, Phil. "Time wounds all heels." http://www.aypee.me.uk/index.html Hi Phil: > So they take some kind of perverse pleasure in posting ignorant and destructive criticism of people who *_suffer_*! What else can you expect from the perverts except pervert behavior. They probably get their jollies in having these responses. Frank WE all know that excess weight is a negative for good health. In some times it was a protection against starvation. Diabetic have lost control of things like blood glucose and must take steps to manually deal with it. In my opinion, we are not even close to the answers about diabetes or so many human health problems. But our pea brain makes us prone to have answers for everything. A ploy of the medical profession is to pass the blame to the patient. It a business technique. I have witnessed thousands of fads that turn into a craze. Then a couple of years later they are replaced by a new toy. There is a few basic facts that we can use to control diabetes in most cases. They show up here when the noise is not too high Guy >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >http://www.aypee.me.uk/index.html Pardon my rant. The majority of diabetics are II's and the majority of II's are overweight or obese. Most II's have doctors who give them pills and allow them to believe they'll be OK as long as they take their pills. Diet and exercised is discussed but neither the patient nor the doctor believes the patient will make serious changes. Most II's stay fat or get fatter year after year and lament or laugh at their risky behavior. Eventually awful things happen. Two thirds of US diabetics are "out of control." Meanwhile, the only serious attempt at a resolution to the diabetes epidemic is through better and more expensive drug treatments. Medical costs are soaring--diabetes and its complications are the biggest component. Serious changes are needed at the behavioral level. Diabetics need the equivalent of a "Scared Straight" program but we're mostly shielded from the ugly consequences that strike us one at a time. So what is going on in the world of fatness? Fat Acceptance. If we're going to have fat acceptance, why not accept other self-destructive behavior? Drunk Driving Acceptance Vandalism Acceptance Getting Stoned Everyday Acceptance. Unemployed and Sleeping All Day Acceptance Let's at least consider Anti-Fat Ranter Acceptance? Let's encourage the Blubberslaps who may be able to persuade even one person to change. >Pardon my rant. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >Let's encourage the Blubberslaps who may be able to persuade even one person >to change. The trouble with fads is they are an easy replacement for the hard road to facts. The word "common sense" will never be replaced. I have known for over 50 years that fat is a medical negative I have watch heart attack patients since 1948 and the time they survived. A close relative had a severe heart attack then. He cleaned up his act and he survived and was active for about 30 years. His close relatives which were genetically similar, went on with their own ways and did not live over ten years. There is no question that low weight is a big plus for diabetics. The problem is what is causing the obesity and is it related closely to some types of diabetes. I hope you are aware that diabetes and some form of treatment make a person subject to weight gain. When you are short of effective insulin, the body senses starvation and yells "eat". In some diabetics the situation makes it very difficult to reduce weight from stored resources. So it is so easy to jackup the weight. So a simplistic discourse lacks in facts. Most of our problems in the world are caused by irrational egos. ; In mu opinion. research is the only answer. We have not put the effort and funding to attack health problems. In my view it is a fragment story. Population increases will finally take care of the fat problem. I have had the day in my life I was very hungry and no food. It "ain't" nice. Guy ; Contrary posts are solicited. Here we have yet another nay sayer who believes the problem is too complicated for a fat person to solve with behavioral changes, diet and exercise. As long as the victim believes he can't solve his problem, he won't solve it. Thanks for the negativity. How about quoting some of what you're talking about. One size doesn't fit all in your generalizations at any rate, but if you solve your problem, and you'll be well on your way. -- Cheri Rudy Toot wrote in message >Here we have yet another nay sayer who believes the problem is too >complicated for a fat person to solve with behavioral changes, diet and >exercise. When we look at having to make difficult changes in longstanding behavior patterns, it's helpful to do some soul searching. With obesity, the question is..."What is most important to me? Unhealthy foods that taste good, or my quality and length of life? What do I owe to myself, my family, my children? Am I obligated to live long enough to see my children grown and enjoy their children? Does my desire for food outweigh my responsibilities to others? Finding ways to change the behavior requires creativity and a self-knowledge. Mayor Bloomberg of New York keeps an unflattering picture of himself next to his desk as a reminder of what he must do. An overweight mother might wear a charm bracelet with pictures of those she loves to remind her she has good reason to prolong her life. Some might get on ASD and confess to their mistakes and promise to do better. Some might become advocates for healthy living and embody the changes they need to make for themselves. You might call them anti-fat ranters. You could put any behavior in the place of obesity. If people were so very perfect, there wouldn't be need for methadone clinics, alcohol treatment centers, anorexic treatment centers, overeating treatment centers, STD treatment centers etc., etc., etc., but you choose to single out a particular behavior, which makes you a fat basher to me. Bye. -- Cheri Rudy Toot wrote in message <8rayf.8274$%W1.7613@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>... >When we look at having to make difficult changes in longstanding behavior >patterns, it's helpful to do some soul searching. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >You might call them anti-fat ranters. Would you consider attending a "fat basher acceptance" workshop next weekend? We'll be serving rice cakes with yeast stuffing and green tea. Then we're all going on a 5 mile hike. IT'LL BE FUN! >Would you consider attending a "fat basher acceptance" workshop next >weekend? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >IT'LL BE FUN! That would be the "KISS OF DEATH" for me, Rudy, and you know it... Nothing fun about crippling pain and neuropathy.... At my stage, it is not about being fat, it is about staying alive, and not losing my limbs. Please do not be so heartless. Will, t2 >>Would you consider attending a "fat basher acceptance" workshop next >>weekend? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Will, t2 Will, I already lost one limb. Our situation is very similar. In my stupid and simple way will try to help these groups work as long as I can. MHD and some good posters there sure made life much better for me. Today, I was able to change the batteries in a wheel chair. There is were I cuss. I am known locally as a stubborn old man. Will, remember the time will come for some of the crackpots. Please post ere a lot. Guy >>>Would you consider attending a "fat basher acceptance" workshop next >>>weekend? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >Please post ere a lot. > Guy Thanks, Guy You are a really swell person... Some of these other folks just don't get it.... This is a life and death struggle that we are in, and it proceeds on a daily basis.... One slip like Rudy proposes, and I would probably be a goner... I have come very close, already. Actually, I think Rudy's post was somewhat malevolent. Will, T2 I think you might have read his post wrong Will. He said a weekend for "fat BASHER acceptance," which implies that the "fat bashers" are all thin and healthy because they're having rice cakes, green tea, and going for a hike. At least that's the way I read it. I could be wrong. -- Cheri W.M.McKee wrote in message ... >One slip like Rudy proposes, and I would probably be a goner... I have >come very close, already. > >Actually, I think Rudy's post was somewhat malevolent. > >Will, T2 >I think you might have read his post wrong Will. He said a weekend for >"fat BASHER acceptance," which implies that the "fat bashers" are all >thin and healthy because they're having rice cakes, green tea, and going >for a hike. At least that's the way I read it. I could be wrong. Rudy, maybe I was wrong... Cheri, by the way, usually is right. It was late, and I may have been in a brain fog.... Anyway, I meant no disrespect. I have to say, however, my first reaction was that rice cakes would be the death of many of us. I will never simply accept fat bashing. Hope you are having a very nice Sunday afternoon. We had a light snowfall here last night. I was out walking Sassy, the Basset garbage hound, at 1:30 A.M. Seems she was acting like she had something stuck in her pipes... Not a very restful night. Will, T2 Will, I'm not usually right, but I think you probably are. I've had a nice afternoon, watching an excellent football game. Bright sunshine and windy today. I would love a little snow, but not sure if I would want a steady dose of it, especially if one has to be working out in it, or trying to get to work etc. I hope your dog is doing better. My sons' dog died yesterday, and even though the dog was 11, and my son is almost forty, he was very upset and needed to call mom for comfort. It's amazing how much animals come to be part of the family. :-) -- Cheri W.M.McKee wrote in message ... >Hope you are having a very nice Sunday afternoon. We had a light >snowfall here last night. I was out walking Sassy, the Basset garbage >hound, at 1:30 A.M. Seems she was acting like she had something stuck >in her pipes... Not a very restful night. > >Will, T2 >Will, I'm not usually right, but I think you probably are. I've had a >nice afternoon, watching an excellent football game. Bright sunshine and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >forty, he was very upset and needed to call mom for comfort. It's >amazing how much animals come to be part of the family. :-) Thanks for your post, Cheri. I am very sorry to learn of the death of your son's dog. No matter how old we are, we still feel grief over the loss of those whom we love, be they man, woman, or beast. Sassy, who is almost 10 yrs old, is like a daughter, almost... We love her. It is so amazing how we people can become so attached to our dogs and cats. Indeed, I have known folks to be equally attached to horses and birds. We used to have some cockateels who had a regular routine, starting early in the morning... They talked by the way... and seemingly used real words appropriate to many situations. One of them even used to give cat-calls at the girl scouts, when they would come around selling cookies. Isn't life a real kick in the pants? My son, Henry, was out all day in the freezing cold, today, shooting at his friends with a paint-ball gun. There was a birthday party, and the kid whose party it was wanted to have this paint-ball combat... Henry nearly froze, but he had lots of fun... That is one crazy game! They think it is fun to get shot in the face and anywhere else..... I just don't get it! Well, take care, Will, T2 We have a little girl mini poodle, Holly. She is a character! We took her to Santa Cruz yesterday and she got to meet lots of doggie friends :) We saw the most beautiful "Golden Doodle" (Golden retriever/standard poodle mix). Watch out for that paint-ball combat! My son broke his arm playing in the woods at night at camp. Oh well, at least it wasn't the arm he broke the last time... Mary >>Will, I'm not usually right, but I think you probably are. I've had a >>nice afternoon, watching an excellent football game. Bright sunshine and [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Will, T2 > Watch out for that paint-ball combat! My son broke his arm playing in > the woods at night at camp. Oh well, at least it wasn't the arm he > broke the last time... > > Mary Well, Mary, Henry (age 13), who is a tall red-headed kid, at 5'10", came in half-frozen, after 6-8 hrs in the freezing cold and snow, but otherwise OK. By the way, he is the sort who will never admit he is cold. I just could tell that he was cold..... In the early Spring, as soon as the temps hit 55F, and the water temp reaches 48F, he hits the beach. He loves to romp in the surf, even at that time of the year for 1-2 hrs at a time! Later in the year, he does not do so well at the beach, because of the sun. Will, T2 > When we look at having to make difficult changes in longstanding behavior > patterns, it's helpful to do some soul searching. > > With obesity, the question is..."What is most important to me? Unhealthy > foods that taste good, or my quality and length of life? Doesn't healthy food taste good ........? I guess it depends on who is cooking.(answered my own question lol)  SignatureJoe T2 Nov '05 30mg Actos,3gr Cinnamon, Diet(100 carbs) & 3 mile walk(everyday) & BowFlex(3x a week) *****Diabetes, be proactive, not reactive.***** This is how much people really care(click on link below) http://www.digitalfog.com/gallery/invasion.html > Doesn't healthy food taste good ........? I guess it depends on who is > cooking.(answered my own question lol) broccoli doesn't taste good...to me. dave >> Doesn't healthy food taste good ........? I guess it depends on who is >> cooking.(answered my own question lol) >> >broccoli doesn't taste good...to me. > >dave Hey Dave, not to ruffle your feathers, but that' s what Bush, The First, said about broccoli. How are you guys this evening? It went from gloriously grand here today to cold and grey, with a chance of snow. I understand you guys are in California... Said the East Coast mouse to the West Coast mouse, "Wanna switch places?" Will, T2 I would in a New York Minute. I'd give just about anything to be expecting snow. It's been raining today though. I'm about ninety miles north of Dave and Mary. -- Cheri W.M.McKee wrote in message <808js1p0d4fkbc66nf5ofi8nlse90g6cek@4ax.com>... >Said the East Coast mouse to the West Coast mouse, "Wanna switch >places?" > >Will, T2 We went out at about 6pm and it was 49 degrees and rainy. I was happy to hibernate in the house today. > I would in a New York Minute. I'd give just about anything to be > expecting snow. It's been raining today though. I'm about ninety miles [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >>Will, T2 >I would in a New York Minute. I'd give just about anything to be >expecting snow. It's been raining today though. I'm about ninety miles >north of Dave and Mary. Well, Cheri, my dear, it is snowing right now, as I type these words... and it is 29 F, so we are getting a little accumulation. Wish you were here! Hugs and kisses, Will, T2 >>>Doesn't healthy food taste good ........? I guess it depends on who is >>>cooking.(answered my own question lol) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Will, T2 it's been miserable here today. dark and rainy. switch? No way Jose! Dave >> Doesn't healthy food taste good ........? I guess it depends on who is >> cooking.(answered my own question lol) >> > broccoli doesn't taste good...to me. > > dave Like I said " depends on who's cooking" ;-). I would imagine some world-famous chef could make it so you liked it. I never liked Liver n Onions until my wife made it for me. Now I love the stuff when SHE makes it. I've tried it in restraurants and still didn't like it. SignatureJoe T2 Nov '05 30mg Actos,3gr Cinnamon, Diet(100 carbs) & 3 mile walk(everyday) & BowFlex(3x a week) *****Diabetes, be proactive, not reactive.***** This is how much people really care(click on link below) http://www.digitalfog.com/gallery/invasion.html >Here we have yet another nay sayer who believes the problem is too >complicated for a fat person to solve with behavioral changes, diet and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Thanks for the negativity. I am not fat and have never been fat. I have dealt with a lot of the quirks of diabetes for many years. It takes a lot of willpower to deal with diabetes and a common tendency to gain weight. There is more than an insulin shortage to the body parts. There is a defect in the glucose control system. Some of the meds common now puts many on a path of gaining weight and have a hard time losing it. Too much insulin input or some other oral drugs will force a weight gain. Diabetes is not as simple as some seem to think. Now a lot of will power and attention is needed to deal with hunger caused by the "energy" not getting to the cells. In simplistic terms, you are right. But in real world terms the simplistic things as impossible for many. . I long pushed the duct tape solution. The present craze may prove to be a fad. >>Here we have yet another nay sayer who believes the problem is too >>complicated for a fat person to solve with behavioral changes, diet and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >I am not fat and have never been fat. In that case you have no business telling someone who has a problem with being overweight what they should or should not do. Walk a mile in their shoes and then try again. > I have dealt with >a lot of the quirks of diabetes for many years. > >It takes a lot of willpower to deal with diabetes and >a common tendency to gain weight. Somehow I don't really equate self-discipline with "willpower". Willpower to me is like forcing someone to consume an entire package of Exlax and then telling them to will themselves to not go to the bathroom. Self-discipline, on the other hand, is more akin to the old adage about how to eat an elephant. That is, you do it just a little at a time. Right now I am making it a practice to walk just a little farther every time I am outside, whether it is to go for a walk or by parking a little farther from the store when we go shopping. I am also purposely leaving a little bit on my plate and not taking any seconds 95% of the time. The other 5% will fall into place as my stomach capacity decreases. >Diabetes is not as simple as some seem to think. True, but nor do we need to allow it to rule our lives. >Now a lot of will power and attention is needed to >deal with hunger caused by the "energy" not > getting to the cells. Perhaps I don't quite get what you mean by willpower. >In simplistic terms, you are right. But >in real world terms the simplistic things >as impossible for many. . Nothing is impossible. Ask anyone in recovery. >I long pushed the duct tape solution. >The present craze may prove to be a fad. The "duct tape solution"? What's that? Cover your mouth with it at mealtime? LOL Okay. I really don't know what you mean by that. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ The following information is given with the utmost respect for the armed forces and civilians who have died in the current war in Iraq. According to http://icasualties.org/oif/ The number of Americans killed in Iraq as of Jan. 13, 2006 is 2,214. United Kingdom = 98 Other = 103 Iraqi deaths in excess of 30,000 according to President Bush - probably many more. >>>Here we have yet another nay sayer who believes the problem is too >>>complicated for a fat person to solve with behavioral changes, diet and [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > >Okay. I really don't know what you mean by that. Thanks for a good response. I was born into a world where self control and will power were necessary for survival. It is so much easier to avoid a problem than to correct a mess later. A hard early life is mean but it does have some advantages. In my opinion the basic item in diabetes is limited food input. I see a different story from a wheel chair. Walking is a great calorie burner. I have to limit my food input to about 1000 calories per day. No nice restaurant trips for me Three white castle burgers would fill my daily requirements. i try for a normal diet but small. I had to quit eating for entertainment. I never had any addiction problems, I observed the mess that my father's spoiled habits left for himself and several others. I think his mother spoiled him greatly. He lived until 90 but was still a spoiled brat. I did very well in this world until some people and my illness shot me down. My long term habits have extended my life a bit. I do have a right to voice my opinion since I do stay close to the subjects of these group. I not a wise a.s showing off. Politics, except related to disease funding is not important here. You must realize your politics is equivalent to spitting in the ocean. Just like mine. I do have a bit of effect with the use of personal contact with a few powerful people. For these groups to do any good, there must be a collective effort to obtain support for reasonable funding and discouraging the exploitation of diabetes to produce excess income. v Enough. At least closer to support than the aspartame fools. Chuck, you a great fellow when you stay close to diabetes. Guy . Hi, Rudy, from what little I've read of your posts I don't think you are a thoughtless person who abuses diabetics just because they are diabetic. I think you abuse them, us, because you think it's the right thing to do. I think you want to bully them, us, into better behaviour. It won't work. But you are wrong anyway to categorise all Type 2 diabetics as obese. Certainly there is a general problem in the western world with weight but it *cannot* be cured by silly ranting at diabetics, whether or not they are obese. If persuading people *in general* that obesity is bad works, fine. But telling me that I only became diabetic because I'm obese will do *no* good for two reasons. Firstly, if I lose weight I will still be diabetic. Secondly, I'm not obese and never have been (and I've only ever been 7 or 8 pounds avoirdupois overweight - base healthy weight 180 pounds). To repeat, lambasting diabetics for being overweight, even when it's true, won't cure their diabetes as far as I know. What it certainly will do is unnecessarily distress some diabetics, causing them mental anguish which can only make their illness *worse*. Ill people need help and support, positive criticism rather than negative criticism. But I'm in the UK. Obviously US diabetics are *different* (sic). They *need* to be insulted rather than helped (sic). They *need* negative criticism rather than positive (sic). Their diabetes *can* be cured if they lead a a healthy life (sic). Rubbish! Scaring people does far more harm than good. Teaching them does far more good than harm. (Guess which I advocate.) But abusing people who are already living with a permanent illness is stupid, stupid in the extreme. It's as wrong as racism. Take care, Phil. "Time wounds all heels." http://www.aypee.me.uk/index.html The most valuable lesson to be learned in this goup is YMMV - that is, we're all different. Almost 60 years ago I was required to take statistics in college. I don't rremember a darn thing about the math (a standard deviation is a little green man as far as I know!) but I really understood bell curves. Type 2 diabetics vary enormously (no pun intended!) in their degree of skinny to obese. And in their ability to work on the problem And in whether or not it IS a problem. There is some good medical research that says on some people, overweight is not really unhealthy. At least if it's just somewhat over and not to the obese point. NOTE - I SAID " SOME". One end of that bell curve. I personally have some trouble losing weight. But I had no trouble at all in quitting smoking 20 years ago. Nicotine addiction is probably worse for your health than obesity - altho I don't know the truth of that. So, hard for me to stop eating too much but easy to quit smoking. At one end of the addiction bell curve for food and the other end for nicotine. YMMV - mine did. I also learned a LONG time ago that scolding an adult doesn't work. Doesn't lead to compliance but often leads to divorce, murder and hard feelings.......... Nan, Type 2 since 1990. Non-smoker since 1986. On this planet since 1928. Still enjoying it, too. >The most valuable lesson to be learned in this goup is YMMV - that is, >we're all different. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Nan, Type 2 since 1990. Non-smoker since 1986. On this planet since >1928. Still enjoying it, too. Hi Nan, I have done a lot of things in my years on the planet, too, although sometimes, it has been difficult to keep from spinnin off! I have taught statistics and several college math courses, as well as Finance, and Law.... Even if you only got a sense of variations in populations, and it seems that you did, then I would say your time and money in that course were well spent! Since 1928.... That's wonderful!. I truly hope the years have been good for you, on the whole, even though you are a member of the club which, as they say, no one wants to join. Thanks for sharing your wisdom and experience with us. Will, T2 ................... >I personally have some trouble losing weight. But I had no trouble at >all in quitting smoking 20 years ago. Nicotine addiction is probably >worse for your health than obesity - altho I don't know the truth of >that. So, hard for me to stop eating too much but easy to quit >smoking. At one end of the addiction bell curve for food and the other >end for nicotine. YMMV - mine did. You can completely quit smoking. You can completely quit drinking alcoholic beverages. You cannot completely quit eating; that is a big difference. The success rate in converting alcoholics to moderate drinkers is very low. Why is everyone expecting us to be able to adjust the amount eaten so easily? This is especially the case since it has been established that reducing food intake more than minimally leads to the same biochemical reactions that starving people have. >I also learned a LONG time ago that scolding an adult doesn't work. >Doesn't lead to compliance but often leads to divorce, murder and hard >feelings.......... >Nan, Type 2 since 1990. Non-smoker since 1986. On this planet since >1928. Still enjoying it, too. SignatureThis address is for information only. I do not claim that these views are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University. Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 Liked your site! > http://www.aypee.me.uk/index.html Signaturehttp://intonewdecade.blogspot.com/ Phil, Please killfile the bad ones. We sadly do have a few. It is the only way. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > http://www.aypee.me.uk/index.html Phil, I totally agree with your post and really enjoyed your site! >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >http://www.aypee.me.uk/index.html SignatureRHONDA Due to topics on health, my hobbies and work related stuff, I'm on many newsgroups. Trust me, there are whackos, scams, looney-leftists, radical-rightists, etc., everywhere. You quickly learn to ignore them. Or KF. bob > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > According to most people who know me, my intelligence is fairly high. > But these (stupid) posters seem to know that all diabetes is caused by the sufferer's own stupidity - a stupid diet, a stupid weight, a stupid person all round. > So they take some kind of perverse pleasure in posting ignorant and destructive criticism of people who *_suffer_*! > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://www.aypee.me.uk/index.html |
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