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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / October 2003OT Veterans Not diabetic maybe
From Sleepy's post PS The way this nation treats it's veterans and their families, is and has been, a national disgrace. I feel so sorry for the people who are getting third class treatment from a government that spits them out when they are finished with them. The stories I hear about "treatment* through the V.A. disgusts me. I am one that qualifies for full veteran benefits, Drafted into the Korean fiasco and later worked in Atomic Testing and received a gross of radiation and ground zero dirt up to my waist in a post shot recovery mission. I will not go into why I do not use these benefits. But they took a lot of time and exposed us to risk where we had no control over what risks we took. But when it cost money the tune was you are a gold brick and that did no harm. Usually come from some draft dodger that went to school to escape the risks. That is the way we operate. We need to clean up this one part in a billion contaminated area but you guys that served well were not harmed by gross exposure. Save money for a new sports stadium. I can get upset. Guy >From Sleepy's post >PS The way this nation treats it's veterans and their families, is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >we had no control over what risks we took. But when it cost >money the tune was you are a gold brick and that did no harm. Yup, you got screwed, that's for sure. As to why you choose not to avail yourself of benefits you earned, that is your decision. However, you can't have it both ways. You can't say you don't take what you deserve, then complain about what you don't have. >Usually come from some draft dodger that went to school >to escape the risks. And this statement is based upon? >That is the way we operate. We need to clean up this >one part in a billion contaminated area but you guys that >served well were not harmed by gross exposure. Save money >for a new sports stadium. I can get upset. As you deserve to be. We get the local government we deserve. If the voters elect reps, that think a new stadium or something similar is the way spend taxpayer money, or if the voters vote for a referendum for such, so be it. We all know the Feds don't care. Somebody has to pay, but not this administration, we will pass it on to the next. And all administrations are equally guilty. I can get upset too. Sleepy ======== COWBOY UP! ======== >Yup, you got screwed, that's for sure. As to why you choose not to >avail yourself of benefits you earned, that is your decision. However, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >And this statement is based upon? Sleepy, I do not use the VA by choice. Others have been denied benefits on some lame excuse to save money for some other boon doggle. On the draft issue, I lived through the era and it was very clear. At the risk of insulting someone I saw people in college that would never be there without the draft incentive. Many did not perform well later. Still looking for a deal. I screwed up when I did not try to use the system earlier. Admitted. I will always bitch about people that try to use other people. Just me. Guy >>Yup, you got screwed, that's for sure. As to why you choose not to >>avail yourself of benefits you earned, that is your decision. However, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >denied benefits on some lame excuse to save money for >some other boon doggle. The VA should lay out the red carpet for people who served this country. I don't understand why, with the number of vets out there, who depend upon the VA, that a stink is not raised about funding, and the lack of health coverage supplied by it. Other than a blip on the screen about Agent Orange, and Gulf War Syndrome, the issue is never raised. I would think with the national elections coming up next year, a few well attended, well media covered, demonstrations at various fundraisers or rallys could get the attention of the pols., and maybe some improvements can be made. Maybe a good place to start would be the local VFW posts. >On the draft issue, I lived through the era and it was very clear. >At the risk of insulting someone I saw people in college that would >never be there without the draft incentive. Many did not perform well >later. Still looking for a deal. I was a newborn when Korea started, but I was of age to be cannon fodder in Viet Nam. College deferments were legal. Given a choice, most men of the era chose to take advantage of the law. When the lottery went into effect, in 1970-7,1 that loophole was closed.I know, because I became 1-A all of a sudden. Why do you blame someone for going to college to avoid the draft, when it was their own local draft boards that told them that they were not eligible for the draft if they attended college? As to Viet Nam era dodgers, there were not that many who actually left the country, or went underground. I doubt that many ,or any, the few thousand that actually did, in reality dodge the draft, are in a position to make decisions that affect your healthcare. Of course if you are talking about the sons of the wealthy, ala jr. who really avoided the draft, getting loaded while AWOL without penalty in the Nat. Guard, we have a different ballgame. >I screwed up when I did not try to use the system earlier. Admitted. >I will always bitch about people that try to use other people. Just >me. > Guy The users deserve all the flack they get, and more. Sleepy ======== COWBOY UP! ======== > raised. I would think with the national elections coming up next year, > a few well attended, well media covered, demonstrations at various > fundraisers or rallys could get the attention of the pols., and maybe > some improvements can be made. Maybe a good place to start would be Hmmm. Not a bad idea.  SignatureWes Groleau "Grant me the serenity to accept those I cannot change; the courage to change the one I can; and the wisdom to know it's me." -- unknown > Sleepy, I do not use the VA by choice. Others have been > denied benefits on some lame excuse to save money for > some other boon doggle. Sorry for jumping in here in the middle, but you've hit a few of my hot buttons. For every example you can cite of someone being denied benefits due to some pork project, I can give you just as many cites of people denied because their condition isn't service related. IOW, they were trying to "get over on" the system. There are a LOT of people getting services from the VA, whether in the form of a pension or medical coverage, who simply don't deserve it. I know of a number of cases where officers, who had reached their mandatory "up-or-out" point, found their retirement package sweetened with a surprise finding of a "service related" impairment. Don't get me wrong. As someone who is 100% disabled per the VA and the Army, I've got more than the normal stock of horror stories I could share WRT to the VA's level of care or, more importantly, lack of same. > On the draft issue, I lived through the era and it was very clear. > At the risk of insulting someone I saw people in college that would > never be there without the draft incentive. Many did not perform well > later. Still looking for a deal. Sorry Guy, but that's just a bunch of sour grapes. As someone who was at the point of the spear for two tours in the 'Nam, I say more power to those folks who were able to side-step the induction process through WHATEVER means. Even the ones who went to Canada. As a Merchant Marine officer I was exempt from the draft until 1966 (a record year for inductions BTW, with 382,010 "selected", the greatest number since the Korean War) when the deferral was eliminated for my class of individuals, along with many others. (Interestingly, had I chosen to stay with BethSteel Shipyard rather than go to sea, I would have been deferred for the same period of time. Shipyard workers also lost their deferment in 1966.) Regards, James the Elder > For every example you can cite of someone being denied benefits due to some > pork project, I can give you just as many cites of people denied because > their condition isn't service related. IOW, they were trying to "get over > on" the system. There are a LOT of people getting services from the VA, > whether in the form of a pension or medical coverage, who simply don't > deserve it. My conditions are not service-connected, but I was not denied treatment. However, ..... > Don't get me wrong. As someone who is 100% disabled per the VA and the Army, > I've got more than the normal stock of horror stories I could share WRT to > the VA's level of care or, more importantly, lack of same. .... I was denied "proper" treatment, in the sense that my first V.A. doctor had NO clue about diabetes, and the one I got now (since I refused to see the other again), is out-of-date on thyroid and said that the protein in my urine was not enough to worry about. (I wasn't sure, so I asked a "civilian" doctor who got upset and wrote a note to straighten the guy out. SignatureWes Groleau "Would the prodigal have gone home if the elder brother was running the farm?" -- James Jordan >I am one that qualifies for full veteran benefits, Drafted into >the Korean fiasco and later worked in Atomic Testing and received [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >we had no control over what risks we took. But when it cost >money the tune was you are a gold brick and that did no harm. Can't bitch about the system you won't take advantage of. >Usually come from some draft dodger that went to school >to escape the risks. What does this have to do with anything? >That is the way we operate. We need to clean up this >one part in a billion contaminated area but you guys that >served well were not harmed by gross exposure. Save money >for a new sports stadium. I can get upset. You can ramble like a loonie too. Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >>Usually come from some draft dodger that went to school >>to escape the risks. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. It takes one to know one. One question-- what have you done constructive in your life. beside some smart remarks on the internet. Have you ever worked for a living. You know schools are heavily subsidized by the working public. Get off of your rear and find a productive job and you will not have so much time to waste.here. >>>That is the way we operate. We need to clean up this >>>one part in a billion contaminated area but you guys that >>>served well were not harmed by gross exposure. Save money >>>for a new sports stadium. I can get upset. Mu: >>You can ramble like a loonie too. >It takes one to know one. Good one, guy. Haven't heard hat retort since, uh, the fifth grade. > One question-- what have you done >constructive in your life. beside some smart remarks on the internet. Google tells all. >Have you ever worked for a living. That's two questions. Keep up. Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. |
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