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Keep the CRaP to less than point 2% in your life.

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Quentin Grady - 10 Jan 2006 01:14 GMT
Well that may well have been the recommendation in this medscape
article.

G'day G'day Folks,

Most of us know it is important to the keep the C-Reactive Protein,
CRP low. It is not often we come across a firm recommendation of
exactly how low, low is.  Here we can see a definite figure.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/496960_print

2mg/L that is 0.2% W/V or roughly 2 parts in a thousand.
(The mg is a measurement of mass and the litres volume so it isn't
exact but like who cares.)  At least we know the target is to get
below it is not 3 mg/L or 1 mg/L.

Medscape requires a one time registration. I have found then
exceedingly well behaved and the registration is free.

Of course some of realise some things like turmeric and bromelain are
not open to being patented so figure http://scholar.google.com/
is worth a look.

Sure enough
C-reactive protein bromelain
produces a few hits including

http://tinyurl.com/a9epp

C-reactive protein turmeric
turned up about 10 hits including this one which could well be
typified as having an "anti-LDL cholesterol hypothesis" bias.

http://www.centrehealing.com/Resources/Chol,%20Statins,%20CV%20Health.pdf

Frankly I distrust anything that claims to provide the truth about
anything. Conspiracy theory thinking is likely to be not far behind.
Whatever.  Some of you might find the read fruitful.

If not apply rule ONE.

Keep the CRaP to less than point 2% in your life.

Best wishes,

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Quentin Grady - 10 Jan 2006 09:34 GMT
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>2mg/L that is 0.2% W/V or roughly 2 parts in a thousand.

G'day G'day Folks,

 Nah.  

2 mg/L is roughly 2 parts per million not 2 parts per thousand.

Best wishes,
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wmmckee@cox.net - 10 Jan 2006 15:14 GMT
Quentin, you are too funny! You know a sense of humor is our first line
defense.... Let's see, there are now CraP's, carbs, and crabs.... Where
should we start?

Have a great day!

Will, T2
David - 10 Jan 2006 15:35 GMT
> Quentin, you are too funny! You know a sense of humor is our first line
> defense.... Let's see, there are now CraP's, carbs, and crabs.... Where
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>
> Will, T2
oh, thanks for reminding me to take the crab legs out of the freezer for
supper tonight!

Dave
wmmckee@cox.net - 10 Jan 2006 16:19 GMT
Sounds yummy!

Will, T2
Mary - 11 Jan 2006 01:16 GMT
Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!!  Thanks to the
great cook!!!  I'm still in king crab heaven :)

Mary

>> Quentin, you are too funny! You know a sense of humor is our first line
>> defense.... Let's see, there are now CraP's, carbs, and crabs.... Where
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>
> Dave
Quentin Grady - 11 Jan 2006 16:54 GMT
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:16:36 -0800, Mary <imnotthere@bogus.com>
wrote:

>Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!!  Thanks to the
>great cook!!!  I'm still in king crab heaven :)
>
>Mary

G'day G'day Mary,

Doubly nice when someone cooks them for you.

Best wishes,
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Ricavito - 12 Jan 2006 04:07 GMT
> Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!!  Thanks to the
> great cook!!!  I'm still in king crab heaven :)
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> >
> > Dave

King crab legs are better than lobster!  Better than Dungness!  What do
you pay for it in your area Mary?  It costs about a million dollars a
pound here, but it's worth it sometimes.
David - 12 Jan 2006 05:51 GMT
>>Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!!  Thanks to the
>>great cook!!!  I'm still in king crab heaven :)
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> you pay for it in your area Mary?  It costs about a million dollars a
> pound here, but it's worth it sometimes.

They were on sale for $9.99/lb.  regularly $14.99 (at Albertson's)

Dave
W.M.McKee - 12 Jan 2006 14:49 GMT
>>>Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!!  Thanks to the
>>>great cook!!!  I'm still in king crab heaven :)
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>Dave

I think I'll go get some for this weekend... Costco usually has them
here, in Virginia.

Will, T2
David - 12 Jan 2006 18:31 GMT
>>>>Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!!  Thanks to the
>>>>great cook!!!  I'm still in king crab heaven :)
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>
> Will, T2
Hi Will.  I hope they are better than the ones we got a few years ago
(at Costco) -- they were dry and tasteless.  The price wasn't low enough
to justify selling such lousy crab.  haven't bought any there since.

Dave
wmmckee@cox.net - 12 Jan 2006 20:04 GMT
> Hi Will.  I hope they are better than the ones we got a few years ago
> (at Costco) -- they were dry and tasteless.  The price wasn't low enough
> to justify selling such lousy crab.  haven't bought any there since.
>
> Dave

Thanks for the warning.... maybe I'll get them somewhere else..... Seafood
is a really big deal where I live. The problem with King Crab, though, is
that it comes from a long way away from here. Most of the fine seafood I get
is fresh caught, usually within a few hours of when I buy it....

BTW... Have you been to the Rockies, where they have those trout
places,where you can catch your own trout.... Now, that's fresh seafood, let
me tell you! You catch your fish and they cook it up on the spot, less than
30 min. later. A few years ago, when we went up in the Rocky Mountain
National Park (Estes) near Boulder, my son, who had never fished before,
caught one and got so excited he peed in his pants and fell in! He was only
about 4 1/2 at the time.... Now, he is 13 and is as tall as I am, at 5' 10"!

Summer Solstice in the rockies is a spendid and memorable experience, when
you are with the ones you love.....

Will, T2
David - 12 Jan 2006 23:08 GMT
>>Hi Will.  I hope they are better than the ones we got a few years ago
>>(at Costco) -- they were dry and tasteless.  The price wasn't low enough
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>
> Will, T2

My folks have gotten them from Costco and liked them, so I think I might
have just been unlucky.  They are quite picky, so if they said the
Costco crabs they got were good, the crabs MUST have been good.  :)

Dave
Mary - 13 Jan 2006 03:12 GMT
Oh Will, I have told Dave that I want to take him to Rocky Mountain
National Park!  He's never been there before, even though he lived near
Denver for awhile.  I love all the national parks, but Rocky Mountain is
super wonderful--I love Estes Park & Big Thompson canyon.  And I grew up
fishing--I think my dad thought it would teach us patience (it did!).
Oh, what wonderful memories.

Wow, you have a 13 yr. old.  Ours are 30, 28, 27, 25, all boys (men?).
Enjoy those teen years--they're gone before you can imagine.

Mary

>>> Hi Will.  I hope they are better than the ones we got a few years ago
>>> (at Costco) -- they were dry and tasteless.  The price wasn't low enough
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>
> Dave
wmmckee@cox.net - 13 Jan 2006 15:37 GMT
> Oh Will, I have told Dave that I want to take him to Rocky Mountain
> National Park!  He's never been there before, even though he lived near
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>
> Mary

Mary, I also have 31 and 27 yr old daughters, and two grandchildren... This
is my second chance.

You sound like a very wonderful person, by the way. You and Dave are really
something!

Will, T2
Ozgirl - 14 Jan 2006 00:46 GMT
> Mary, I also have 31 and 27 yr old daughters, and two
> grandchildren... This is my second chance.

Sounds like me ;) 3 the first time round (boy 35 this year
and girls 28 and 34 this year). Then second time round, boys
16, 15 and 11 and my little girl (the one with Downs) almost
10.
W.M.McKee - 14 Jan 2006 21:50 GMT
>> Mary, I also have 31 and 27 yr old daughters, and two
>> grandchildren... This is my second chance.
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>16, 15 and 11 and my little girl (the one with Downs) almost
>10.

Then, you know about second chances. :-)  I am trying not to make the
same mistakes with my Henry that I made with his sisters. Dopn't get
me wrong, though, they both have turned out to be wonderful and strong
women. Mostly, I am deliberately trying to be  home more and spend
more time sharing values. Doing things as a family on a regular basis
is a TOP priority.

I am so very sorry about the Downs, Oz. The Downs kids I have known,
though, have all been very special... It seems they have a greater
capacity for love, somehow.. But as you know, there are lots of
problems, as well.

If you ever want to talk, or share, I am here.

Will, T2
W. Baker - 14 Jan 2006 16:05 GMT
: Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!!  Thanks to the
: great cook!!!  I'm still in king crab heaven :)

: Mary

Just don't tell Chris J.  We don't want him getting sick all over his
monitor:-)

Wendy
Chris J. - 16 Jan 2006 06:30 GMT
>: Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!!  Thanks to the
>: great cook!!!  I'm still in king crab heaven :)
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>Just don't tell Chris J.  We don't want him getting sick all over his
>monitor:-)

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awww, what's a little projectile vomiting between friends?
Annette - 10 Jan 2006 12:09 GMT
> Well that may well have been the recommendation in this medscape
> article.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>  http://tinyurl.com/a9epp

One of the things I found interesting was their advice re general health
maintenance that can keep CRP levels low,
particularly;

"Adopt an anti-inflammatory lifestyle. Such a lifestyle emphasizes clean
living, exercise and super foods (many of which are detailed in this issue
of Healthy Living). Super foods include wild Pacific salmon, flaxseed, and
plentiful amounts of fruits, vegetables and legumes. Be sure to avoid fatty
foods, refined carbohydrates, and candy.
. Curtail smoking, excess coffee drinking and some medications, such as
estrogen drugs, that can increase CRP levels."

Sounds strangely familiar, doesn't it. Not so sure about all fatty foods,
but that's a minor point.

They don't even mention pineapple, the principal dietary source of
bromelain, though. They want people to buy their product instead, I guess.

Annette
Thanks for the links.
Annette - 10 Jan 2006 12:15 GMT
> Well that may well have been the recommendation in this medscape
> article.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> exact but like who cares.)  At least we know the target is to get
> below it is not 3 mg/L or 1 mg/L.

This little article gives a clue to some important info re such markers in
men vs women.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/451874
Women Show Unique Pattern of Biochemical Markers in Acute Coronary Syndrome

Reuters won't let me tell you any more.

Annette
 
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