Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2006
Keep the CRaP to less than point 2% in your life.
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Quentin Grady - 10 Jan 2006 01:14 GMT Well that may well have been the recommendation in this medscape article.
G'day G'day Folks,
Most of us know it is important to the keep the C-Reactive Protein, CRP low. It is not often we come across a firm recommendation of exactly how low, low is. Here we can see a definite figure.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/496960_print
2mg/L that is 0.2% W/V or roughly 2 parts in a thousand. (The mg is a measurement of mass and the litres volume so it isn't exact but like who cares.) At least we know the target is to get below it is not 3 mg/L or 1 mg/L.
Medscape requires a one time registration. I have found then exceedingly well behaved and the registration is free.
Of course some of realise some things like turmeric and bromelain are not open to being patented so figure http://scholar.google.com/ is worth a look.
Sure enough C-reactive protein bromelain produces a few hits including
http://tinyurl.com/a9epp
C-reactive protein turmeric turned up about 10 hits including this one which could well be typified as having an "anti-LDL cholesterol hypothesis" bias.
http://www.centrehealing.com/Resources/Chol,%20Statins,%20CV%20Health.pdf
Frankly I distrust anything that claims to provide the truth about anything. Conspiracy theory thinking is likely to be not far behind. Whatever. Some of you might find the read fruitful.
If not apply rule ONE.
Keep the CRaP to less than point 2% in your life.
Best wishes,
 Signature Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading."
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Quentin Grady - 10 Jan 2006 09:34 GMT This post not CC'd by email On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:14:53 +1300, Quentin Grady <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>2mg/L that is 0.2% W/V or roughly 2 parts in a thousand. G'day G'day Folks,
Nah.
2 mg/L is roughly 2 parts per million not 2 parts per thousand.
Best wishes,
 Signature Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading."
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wmmckee@cox.net - 10 Jan 2006 15:14 GMT Quentin, you are too funny! You know a sense of humor is our first line defense.... Let's see, there are now CraP's, carbs, and crabs.... Where should we start?
Have a great day!
Will, T2
David - 10 Jan 2006 15:35 GMT > Quentin, you are too funny! You know a sense of humor is our first line > defense.... Let's see, there are now CraP's, carbs, and crabs.... Where [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Will, T2 oh, thanks for reminding me to take the crab legs out of the freezer for supper tonight!
Dave
wmmckee@cox.net - 10 Jan 2006 16:19 GMT Mary - 11 Jan 2006 01:16 GMT Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!! Thanks to the great cook!!! I'm still in king crab heaven :)
Mary
>> Quentin, you are too funny! You know a sense of humor is our first line >> defense.... Let's see, there are now CraP's, carbs, and crabs.... Where [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dave Quentin Grady - 11 Jan 2006 16:54 GMT This post not CC'd by email On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:16:36 -0800, Mary <imnotthere@bogus.com> wrote:
>Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!! Thanks to the >great cook!!! I'm still in king crab heaven :) > >Mary G'day G'day Mary,
Doubly nice when someone cooks them for you.
Best wishes,
 Signature Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading."
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
Ricavito - 12 Jan 2006 04:07 GMT > Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!! Thanks to the > great cook!!! I'm still in king crab heaven :) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > Dave King crab legs are better than lobster! Better than Dungness! What do you pay for it in your area Mary? It costs about a million dollars a pound here, but it's worth it sometimes.
David - 12 Jan 2006 05:51 GMT >>Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!! Thanks to the >>great cook!!! I'm still in king crab heaven :) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > you pay for it in your area Mary? It costs about a million dollars a > pound here, but it's worth it sometimes. They were on sale for $9.99/lb. regularly $14.99 (at Albertson's)
Dave
W.M.McKee - 12 Jan 2006 14:49 GMT >>>Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!! Thanks to the >>>great cook!!! I'm still in king crab heaven :) [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Dave I think I'll go get some for this weekend... Costco usually has them here, in Virginia.
Will, T2
David - 12 Jan 2006 18:31 GMT >>>>Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!! Thanks to the >>>>great cook!!! I'm still in king crab heaven :) [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Will, T2 Hi Will. I hope they are better than the ones we got a few years ago (at Costco) -- they were dry and tasteless. The price wasn't low enough to justify selling such lousy crab. haven't bought any there since.
Dave
wmmckee@cox.net - 12 Jan 2006 20:04 GMT > Hi Will. I hope they are better than the ones we got a few years ago > (at Costco) -- they were dry and tasteless. The price wasn't low enough > to justify selling such lousy crab. haven't bought any there since. > > Dave Thanks for the warning.... maybe I'll get them somewhere else..... Seafood is a really big deal where I live. The problem with King Crab, though, is that it comes from a long way away from here. Most of the fine seafood I get is fresh caught, usually within a few hours of when I buy it....
BTW... Have you been to the Rockies, where they have those trout places,where you can catch your own trout.... Now, that's fresh seafood, let me tell you! You catch your fish and they cook it up on the spot, less than 30 min. later. A few years ago, when we went up in the Rocky Mountain National Park (Estes) near Boulder, my son, who had never fished before, caught one and got so excited he peed in his pants and fell in! He was only about 4 1/2 at the time.... Now, he is 13 and is as tall as I am, at 5' 10"!
Summer Solstice in the rockies is a spendid and memorable experience, when you are with the ones you love.....
Will, T2
David - 12 Jan 2006 23:08 GMT >>Hi Will. I hope they are better than the ones we got a few years ago >>(at Costco) -- they were dry and tasteless. The price wasn't low enough [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Will, T2 My folks have gotten them from Costco and liked them, so I think I might have just been unlucky. They are quite picky, so if they said the Costco crabs they got were good, the crabs MUST have been good. :)
Dave
Mary - 13 Jan 2006 03:12 GMT Oh Will, I have told Dave that I want to take him to Rocky Mountain National Park! He's never been there before, even though he lived near Denver for awhile. I love all the national parks, but Rocky Mountain is super wonderful--I love Estes Park & Big Thompson canyon. And I grew up fishing--I think my dad thought it would teach us patience (it did!). Oh, what wonderful memories.
Wow, you have a 13 yr. old. Ours are 30, 28, 27, 25, all boys (men?). Enjoy those teen years--they're gone before you can imagine.
Mary
>>> Hi Will. I hope they are better than the ones we got a few years ago >>> (at Costco) -- they were dry and tasteless. The price wasn't low enough [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Dave wmmckee@cox.net - 13 Jan 2006 15:37 GMT > Oh Will, I have told Dave that I want to take him to Rocky Mountain > National Park! He's never been there before, even though he lived near [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Mary Mary, I also have 31 and 27 yr old daughters, and two grandchildren... This is my second chance.
You sound like a very wonderful person, by the way. You and Dave are really something!
Will, T2
Ozgirl - 14 Jan 2006 00:46 GMT > Mary, I also have 31 and 27 yr old daughters, and two > grandchildren... This is my second chance. Sounds like me ;) 3 the first time round (boy 35 this year and girls 28 and 34 this year). Then second time round, boys 16, 15 and 11 and my little girl (the one with Downs) almost 10.
W.M.McKee - 14 Jan 2006 21:50 GMT >> Mary, I also have 31 and 27 yr old daughters, and two >> grandchildren... This is my second chance. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >16, 15 and 11 and my little girl (the one with Downs) almost >10. Then, you know about second chances. :-) I am trying not to make the same mistakes with my Henry that I made with his sisters. Dopn't get me wrong, though, they both have turned out to be wonderful and strong women. Mostly, I am deliberately trying to be home more and spend more time sharing values. Doing things as a family on a regular basis is a TOP priority.
I am so very sorry about the Downs, Oz. The Downs kids I have known, though, have all been very special... It seems they have a greater capacity for love, somehow.. But as you know, there are lots of problems, as well.
If you ever want to talk, or share, I am here.
Will, T2
W. Baker - 14 Jan 2006 16:05 GMT : Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!! Thanks to the : great cook!!! I'm still in king crab heaven :)
: Mary Just don't tell Chris J. We don't want him getting sick all over his monitor:-)
Wendy
Chris J. - 16 Jan 2006 06:30 GMT >: Ohhhhhhhh, they were so so wonderfully scrumptious!!! Thanks to the >: great cook!!! I'm still in king crab heaven :) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Just don't tell Chris J. We don't want him getting sick all over his >monitor:-) ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awww, what's a little projectile vomiting between friends?
Annette - 10 Jan 2006 12:09 GMT > Well that may well have been the recommendation in this medscape > article. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/a9epp One of the things I found interesting was their advice re general health maintenance that can keep CRP levels low, particularly;
"Adopt an anti-inflammatory lifestyle. Such a lifestyle emphasizes clean living, exercise and super foods (many of which are detailed in this issue of Healthy Living). Super foods include wild Pacific salmon, flaxseed, and plentiful amounts of fruits, vegetables and legumes. Be sure to avoid fatty foods, refined carbohydrates, and candy. . Curtail smoking, excess coffee drinking and some medications, such as estrogen drugs, that can increase CRP levels."
Sounds strangely familiar, doesn't it. Not so sure about all fatty foods, but that's a minor point.
They don't even mention pineapple, the principal dietary source of bromelain, though. They want people to buy their product instead, I guess.
Annette Thanks for the links.
Annette - 10 Jan 2006 12:15 GMT > Well that may well have been the recommendation in this medscape > article. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > exact but like who cares.) At least we know the target is to get > below it is not 3 mg/L or 1 mg/L. This little article gives a clue to some important info re such markers in men vs women.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/451874 Women Show Unique Pattern of Biochemical Markers in Acute Coronary Syndrome
Reuters won't let me tell you any more.
Annette
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