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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2006High bg in the morning. maybe OT, not sure
Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. My two stepdaughters came up from Florida to be with their father during this period of mourning . We went out last night and had a wonderful dinner. I was quite anxious and was an uncontrolled eater. This is snot a very rare event, as my eating is at night. Normally, I wake up between 90 and 105. My stepdaughters have diabetes in their family. I took their blood. One was 95 and the other 97, I said to myself I am going to show them. I tested at 168. I have never had 168 in the morning in all the years I have had diabetes. It wasnt that I had a liver dump because I was eating until I went to bed a 12 and tested at 7. Did the stress of what I experience in the last four days cause me to have this number, I didnt eat till I was 97 and was good for the day, except again this even. when I ate three rugaleh. Briefly, I had a call from my mil to tell me that she found out her daughters ex boyfriend killed himself and someone called her. We were talking and she started to cry and the phone went dead. I thought she was upset and hung up but there was an eery feeling that something was wrong. We live in the same building so I went to her house and got her key from a neighbor. The young man and I walked in and found my mil on the dining room floor. We called 911 and immediately went to see how she was. Her nose was blue and her fingers too, ems came and gave her cpr, mouth to mouth, defibrillation and finally a respirator, but it was for naught as she was dead. She had high blood pressure and wasnt feeling so good for the last few days. The shock of the mans suicide gave her a massive heart attack. What is hard for me is that we were talking n the phone and in one second she was gone. For people to have fights over minutia and to try to irritate one another is such a waste of time and energy. You never know if that last word written will be the last word you ever write. You never know what you are capable of. We went to the funeral parlor to view the body. It didnt look like her. She had very ver curly hair and wore it that way. When they opened the casket, it didnt look like her at all, They had straightened her hair and she never wore it that way. I said she cant be buried like that. I went to scrunch her hair with my hands. I was amazed at the softness and fineness of her hair. I couldnt believe I was fixing a dead persons hair. I found that I was capable of doing things I would have thought impossible. I watched her take her last breaths and I touched her and kissed her. Please every time you want to write that nasty, sarcastic and down right mean post, remember it could be the last thing you write. It only takes a second and you are gone. Please, cant we respect and be civil to each other. Life is really short. We are grateful that she didnt suffer any long and lingering disease but it is hard on the family. She was a wonderful wonderful woman, who lived for her famiy. Eleanor will be missed. I am sorry if I am ranting, but I needed to vent and this is a support group not just for diabetes, for the whole person. Thanks for reading Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Oh Loretta!!!! How devastating. Do the best you can right now. You are a strong woman, who is a survivor in many ways. Whatever you do these next few days... you know you will find your way back. Take care of yourself and your family. My thoughts are with you. Jennifer > Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have > been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Jennifer thank you so much for your support Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have >been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > >Loretta Dear Loretta, I have been reading this group for about four years now and you are among my favorite posters. I am so sorry to hear of this family tragedy and the horror it must have been for you. You speak such simple truths. I'm so sorry it has taken such an awful event for you to be able to fully illustrate the truth of the matter. That life simply is too short. Take heart, dear lady. My heart and thoughts are with you. Laura > Dear Loretta, > I have been reading this group for about four years now and you are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Take heart, dear lady. My heart and thoughts are with you. > Laura Blast me for a "Me, too" post, but I totally agree with the above and see no need to try to fashion my own thoughts for it. Wild Monkshood Thank you Wild, Sometimes even the fewest words can mean so much. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Laura thank you so much fo your kind words. I dont remember seeing your posts, but if it took this to get you from just lurking to participating, something good came out of it. Please post . Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Hi Loretta I am sorry to read of your troubles. As you pointed out it is a reminder that at times we can give support and times we need support. I am one of the probably many lurkers in this group. Your postings have been helpful to me and have sometimes made me laugh when I really needed to. I know that you have lots of friend here. Be gentle with yourself. Sharah , thanks so much. Now that you have posted, I hope you delurk and join in the group more actively. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. This post not CC'd by email On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:49:47 -0500, Ronetta@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote: >Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have >been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >It wasnt that I had a liver dump because I was eating until I went to >bed a 12 and tested at 7. G'day G'day Loretta, Sorry to hear of the sad events surrounding the death of your mother in law. I guess that is all that important at this moment. Please accept the rest of what I have to say as a response to what appears to be a secondary message, concern about the high bg in morning. It is far from off topic. We all have deal as best we can with tragedy from time to time and it is appropriate for us to do so. If you don't feel like reading the rest of what I have to say, that's perfectly OK and understandable. It's more for the benefit of others who might find it useful to know such things before some crisis befalls them. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Stress releases cortisol, that is a steroid like prednisone. It raises blood glucose. It will pass on in its own accord. **************************************************************** I gather your dietary strategy has been portion control. As I have already mentioned stress produces cortisol. This in turn interferes with leptin, the hormone that tells the brain you have had enough. Put simply the body is producing lots of leptin but the brain ain't listening. This too will pass. (Some people stop eating. For them the leptin levels are being raised and being heard.) Of course, it might be a sensible idea, in time, to adopt a back up strategy to portion control. I'm talking about a plan B that isn't so sensitive to the affects of stress. OK, I'm probably being pretty dumb telling you all this technical stuff while your head is swimming with other stuff but what the heck, I care about you and don't want you to come to any harm. Stress interferes with how we metabolise many foods. It is not the best time to be eating steaks. (I'll back that statement up at a later time for the benefit of others but this is not that time.) If you can bring yourself to it eat food with a high water content that would be a safe option. Eat the salad. Eat some fruit. It'll help. Mind you I think are handling it all brilliantly. The unusually high bg in the morning will pass. Best wishes,  SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin Quentin, you answered my on topic queston and I appreciate it. This morning I woke with 105 so that must have been a fluke. I am not eating steak, I am eating goodies. When Jewish people sit shiva, it is a time for sweets to be brought in. Lots of really good terrible things. I increased my meds so that during this time, I wont spike. I will have to manage my diabetes anyway I can -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > Quentin, you answered my on topic queston and I appreciate it. This > morning I woke with 105 so that must have been a fluke. I am not eating [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I will have to manage my diabetes anyway I can Hi there Loretta, I didn't know anything about shiva, so looked it up. The site I found said that if one was invited to a shiva, it was customary to take uncut fruit as one of the suitable items of food. Can you have/request that as an alternative to all the other sweet foods? Are you allowed to give hints as to what would be appreciated? If so, you might be able to snack on berries and other low carb fruit. Just a thought, you ARE in my thoughts a lot at the moment. Annette Annette, it is not customary or correct to ask people what to bring. I am the only one affected by it. There is so much fruit , I could open up a store. It is not that there arent choices, but all those sweets just keep calling my name. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > Annette, it is not customary or correct to ask people what to bring. Hi there Loretta, Fair enough. You can see I am not up on this kind of thing. Please forgive me for my ignorance. > I am the only one affected by it. There is so much fruit , I could open > up a store. It is not that there arent choices, but all those sweets > just keep calling my name. Now that I *do* understand! Some time ago, Quentin told me that when we are feeling "down", we may crave carbohydrates more than normally, especially the sweet stuff. And what's more, we actually do feel better afterwards (well, for a while anyway, till the high bg levels cause their usual overall post-high slump). He did explain the reason, but I forget what it was. So don't expect too much from yourself. There you are, surrounded by all that temptation, cold winter weather doing it's part, and feeling low to start with. It's a tough row to hoe. Just do the best you can in the current circumstances. From what you've said, you're doing pretty well in controlling your bg levels anyway. Be kind to yourself. Annette Thanks Annette, I have lost two of the pounds I have gained. I really believe besides eating too many junk foods, I was holding water because of all the diet sodas I have. I am back on track and my bgs have been back to normal. Thanks everyone for the kind words and thoughts. I appreciate it so much. This is why I am on ASD, You all understand. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. This post not CC'd by email On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:48:16 GMT, "Annette" <acianthus@bigpond.com> wrote: >> I am the only one affected by it. There is so much fruit , I could open >> up a store. It is not that there arent choices, but all those sweets [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >the high bg levels cause their usual overall post-high slump). He did >explain the reason, but I forget what it was. G'day G'day Annette, Explanations are often long and forgettable. Frankly, people seldom remember explanations. Put it down to some inner wisdom rather than a personal failing. <grin> Explanations have a reputation similar to excuses. As someone here said something to the effect of, "Those who make excuses, seldom make much else." Basically there are two common types of depression. There is the type where something happens in world and people form a bleak impression of the world. This usually passes of its own accord, more rapidly if one joins in some health group activity. It passes because life moves on. The other is not so kind. This is the "hating oneself" form of depression. Think of it as guilt gone wrong. Guilt that persists beyond any reasonable purpose. Food is associated with both. When people are going through "sh*t happens" type blues, they often self medicate. They do what works for them, they eat sweet or starchy foods. This is in itself a relatively safe thing to do. Our sense of well being and general happiness is somewhat governed by serotonin levels on the brain. This is why serotonin breakdown inhibitors are such a feature of modern medicine. What the self medications do when they take sweets and starches is help tryptophan get into the brain where it can be converted into serotonin. Rather than inhibit the break down of serotonin they simply make more. How does it work? Well the blood brain barrier is a bit of a traffic jam for amino acids. When it has to compete with other amino acids, tryptophan doesn't make it. Put simply, if people eat a banana they are self medicating. Bananas are low protein hence they don't introduce a flood of competing amino acids, so the tryptophan gets into the brain and we do happiness. The glucose helps but I've forgotten why. As with most things the trick is not to over medicate. How often are we tempted by all those advertisements promising us more energy if only we buy their energy bars loaded with glucose? And, how often are we disappointed after we get over the initial rush? T2 diabetics have a number of dysfunctions. One of them is that their metabolism is ill equipped to handle a large influx of calories, even carbs. It makes so much more sense to eat a raw carrot, low calorie density, high water content to improve the intracellular efficiency etc, etc. >So don't expect too much from yourself. There you are, surrounded by all >that temptation, cold winter weather doing it's part, and feeling low to >start with. Precisely. The good news is some things pass. We can see it already. >It's a tough row to hoe. Just do the best you can in the current >circumstances. From what you've said, you're doing pretty well in >controlling your bg levels anyway. > >Be kind to yourself. Now ain't that the bottom line. >Annette Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin Loretta, I am very sorry to hear all this, please accept and pass on my condolences to R and the children. Of course you are going to be "not yourself", bg-wise at the moment. Losing a loved one is awful, being the one to find them is enough to spin the strongest of us out. Give yourself a bit of time before you worry over any odd numbers. Jan, thank you so much. I am so glad I posted this because I am getting the support I need from everyone here. It is not about me in the situation so I dont express my feelings to my family. I will get over it, but the whole situation is a terrible experience. She was such a wonderful and viviacious, happy women, If there is a God, he spared her the pain of a long drawn out death. It was good for her but a shock to her family. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >She was such a wonderful and viviacious, happy women, If there is a >God, he spared her the pain of a long drawn out death. Loretta, when I read about your tragedy, one of the first things to cross my mind was that if it has to happen, going quick like that is the very best of ways, and a mercy unto itself. I've seen the alternative far too many times to think otherwise. Chris, it was an absolute blessing for my mother in law. She was saved from any long term illness that might have killed her. It was merciful, It just wasnt the right time. The shock for the living is overhwelming. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >Chris, it was an absolute blessing for my mother in law. She was saved >from any long term illness that might have killed her. It was merciful, >It just wasnt the right time. The shock for the living is overhwelming. The shock for you must have been among the worst of all, due to it being you she was on the phone with. Loretta, take care, you are in our thoughts. >Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have >been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > >Loretta Loretta, you and your family are very much in my thoughts. Will, T2 Will, thank you so much. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Dear Loretta Welcome back. I think Quentin is right on about the stress increasing your blood sugars. As the mourning period ends and "real life" returns, things will probably get better. I'm still including you and your family in my prayers for mourner's comfort. I think that again, with time, the horror of you finding her and being with her at her death will ease, and your mind will begin to focus on other things. Know that your invisible firends out here are thinking of you and sending caring thoughts. Barbara Barbara thank you so much. I know everthing eventually passes and hopefully the experience of talkng and finding her will be less prominent in my mind. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have > been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. Hi there Loretta, Like many others here, I really feel for your sorrow and shock. What a devestating experience. Please accept my love and deep sympathy. I just wish we lived so close that I could be there personally to hug and weep with you. Hugs are healing, and you need lots, right now. Tears are good too, even to the extent of helping our bodies handle the stress by getting rid of some of the chemicals it creates. Your heart will heal in time, and sorrow will lessen, but for now, just accept that you feel whatever you feel. It's natural. Don't be surprised if you suddenly find yourself weeping without any warning. Or even getting angry without any logical cause. Just let it flow, and it will come and go as it wills, just like the tide in the ocean. Grief is a part of this life, and needs to be accepted and allowed it's expression naturally. The shock, as Quentin so wisely explained, is the underlying cause of your metabolic imbalance and high fbg at this time. Don't fret over it, and only add more worry to your system. His dietary advice is very, very good, as always. We both know that. If there is any way I can give you some kind of emotional support, please don't hesitate to write to me. I am most willing to just be here if you need to talk about anything. Anything! You know that I love and admire you. With utmost sympathy, Your friend, Annette Loretta, I am so sorry to hear of your sad loss and the dreadful way in which it had to happen! My condolences go to you and your family in this sad time. I was just reading about the issue of how stress affects blood sugar last night in Bernstein. He says that while emotional stress in itself, over time, usually won't not raise blood sugars, high adrenaline WILL. So the immediate, very short term, stress situation in which your body is in "fight of flight mode" and you are all keyed up and your heart pounding, will drive your blood sugar way up. Adrenaline is one of the counterregulatory hormones your body uses to push up the blood sugar. The idea being that when the tiger starts chasing you, you will need more glucose to available to your muscles while running. So given the suddenness and intense shock involved in what happened to you, it is very likely your adrenaline is out of control, pushing up your blood sugar. It won't persist, because, while your grief and sorrow lasts, the "fight or flight" reaction modulates down in a few days. So don't worry about that. I am at the point with my poor demented mother, where I get a "fight and flight" response any time the phone rings, as it may well mean she is in the ER again. My blood sugar control has been getting worse and worse for the past 6 months since my dad died, and though I don't blame that deterioration on our sad family events, there's no question that situation after situation that sends my heart pounding has not helped. > Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have > been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Signature--Jenny http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control Jenny thank you so muh for the light you put on the situation of the high bgs. They are down today, so I am a little less worried. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Loretta, my sympathies to you and your family. I'm sure it is very hard on all of you, and I agree with not letting things get out of hand in everyday life. Take care of yourself. -- Cheri Loretta Eisenberg wrote in message <6209-43C1EB6B-449@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net>... Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. thank you so much . I came to a point a while back that I wasnt letting the minutia of life get to me. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Loretta, I'm so sorry for your loss. May you be comforted by wonderful memories. SignatureBest wishes, Louise Type 2 since 2000 Controlling by exercise and diet > Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have > been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Loretta words fail me {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} my deepest condolences and yes, stress can cause your bg to rise kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have > been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Thank you so much for your condolences. Louise Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Hi Loretta, That was a terrible experience, but it was fortunate for your mother-in-law to be speaking with someone she loved the moment she died. That she phoned you in a moment of personal crisis is a demonstration of her trust in you. Sorry to hear of your suffering, but it's good to know that high FBG was a fluke. > Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have > been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Uncle, you are right, she called in crisis, but not her own. Her daughters former boyfriend committed suicide that morning and someone called my mil and told her. She was worrying how her daughter would handle it when my mother inh law died. She worried about everything until the point it killed her. Thank you Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >Last Thursday my mother in law passed away The story is unreal. I have >been stressed and I have been eating more than I should have been. [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > >Loretta Thanks for sharing something so personal. English Magnified and sanctified be God's great name in the world which He has created according to His will. May He establish His kingdom soon, in our lifetime. Let us say: Amen. May His great name be praised to all eternity. Hallowed and honored, extolled and exalted, adored and acclaimed be the name of the Holy One, though He is above all the praises, hymns, and songs of adoration which men can utter. Let us say: Amen. May God grant abundant peace and life to us and to all Israel. Let us say: Amen. May He who ordains harmony in the universe grant peace to us and to all Israel. Let us say: Amen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hebrew Phonetic Yit-gadal v'yit-kadash sh'mey raba, b'alma di v'ra hirutey, vyam-lih mal-hutey b'ha-yey-hon uv'yomey-hon uv'ha-yey d'hol beyt yisrael ba-agala u-vizman kariv, v'imru amen. (Congregation and Mourners:) Y'hey sh'mey raba m'varah l'alam ul'almey alma-ya. (Mourners:) Yit-barah v'yish-tabah v'yit-pa-ar v'yit-romam v'yit-na-sey v'yit-hadar v'yit-aleh v'yit-halal sh'mey d'kud-sha, b'rih hu, leyla* min kol bir-hata v'shi-rata tush-b'hata v'ne-hemata da-amiran b'alma, v imru amen. Y'hey sh'lama raba min sh'ma-ya, v'ha-yim aleynu v'al kol yisrael, vimru amen. Oseh shalom bim-romav, hu ya-aseh shalom aleynu v'al kol yisrael, v'imru amen. * On Shabbat Shuvah add: ul'eyla. Sorry I can't use a Hebrew Script in this correctly. SignatureMâck©® Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o o) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." Jesus never hated anyone. Mack, amen and thank you so much. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Loretta, I can't imagine the absolute shock you must have experienced. I am so sorry for your loss. It would be tough under any circumstances, but to actually be speaking to her on the phone, and then be the one to find her, I bet your adrenaline was going nuts. Which brings me to my next thought. What is adrenaline's effect on blood glucose? And how long does it last. Since you normally run okay, I would hypothesize this might be a contributor to your high reading. In any case, I'm glad you shared with us. I'm sending positive energy your way. Michelle Michelle, I so appreciate your kind words. Thank you so much. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Loretta, what a horrible thing to have happen. I feel so badly for you and your family. As for the FBG numbers, a few thoughts: First, I do know that stress can play havoc with BG's. Secondly, was it only the one test? The reason I ask is that I've had bizarre tests from both hand contamination, and (probably) faulty strips. I took a second test within a minute and was fine. Check again in the morning, and please let us know how you are doing, both on BG's and in dealing with this tragedy. And as for the rest, I couldn't agree more. Take care and best wishes. Chris, thank you, I tested it three times because I was in such disbelief. It seems to have passed. I had an 85 when I woke this morning. The numbers are back in order, but I have gained five pounds since last thursday. This has to stop. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. |
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