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Julie Bove - 07 Jan 2006 04:34 GMT I got my labs back from the Naturopath today. I have a severe egg allergy! So for all of you who said I couldn't possibly have gotten sick from the flu shot, now we know why! The shot was making me sick because of the egg. I am also allergic to dairy and almonds, but to a lesser degree. Now I must find new foods to eat, especially for breakfast. I had stopped eating eggs around Thanksgiving because the last 4 times I ate them, I became violently ill. Why 4 times? Because the first 2 times I really thought it was food poisoning from some egg salad I bought.
My normal breakfast had been eggs and more recently cottage cheese. The Dr. said I might be able to tolerate goat's milk cheese. I think I'll wait a while before trying that. I tried the goat's milk cheese with Angela and she got sick from it.
I am going to have a problem finding sources of protein now. I really don't like most meat. I do sometimes eat sausage or bacon, but I wouldn't want to eat this every day. The only other meat I can really tolerate is ground beef. I despise fish and shellfish with the exception of occasional tuna. I do like peanut butter, but I wouldn't want that every day either. *sigh*
Now for the bad stuff. My phosphorous was elevated. It was 5.1 with normal range being 2.5-4.9. And two liver enzymes elevated. ALT (GPT) was 86 with a normal range of 24-65, and AST (GOT) was 39 with a normal range of 12-37. The Dr. has no clue what all this means. But he doesn't think it's good. I see my GP on Monday. Perhaps he can make something of all this. The Naturopath is also consulting with a retired Dr. who is a long time friend of my family on Wednesday. So hopefully it will all get sorted out. At any rate, these findings would explain why I have felt so rotten these past months and my well explain why my BG has shot up higher despite my attempts to bring it down.
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Mary - 09 Jan 2006 03:18 GMT Julie, I can empathize. Several years back, I gave up eating breakfast because every time I did I felt sick. I didn't know if it was bgs or what! But I finally found out I'm allergic to eggs & milk, and just what is most breakfast foods made up of??? I'm glad you found out and can finally do something about it.
You might discover that you can tolerate a bit of cheese. I NEVER touch anything with milk in it, but I just can't give up pizza. And I do take the flu shot even though it makes me itch and swell up, since it goes away eventually. But also I take Claritin and Sudafed EVERY day, which lessens my reactions to the foods. I know you're on a lot of meds, so I don't know if you can take these or not.
You don't need to have protein for breakfast, but you could make up for it later with lunch meats, etc. I guess you'll just have to experiment since we're all different. But if you can tolerate Claritin and Sudafed, I would recommend them.
Mary
> I got my labs back from the Naturopath today. I have a severe egg allergy! > So for all of you who said I couldn't possibly have gotten sick from the flu [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > months and my well explain why my BG has shot up higher despite my attempts > to bring it down. Julie Bove - 09 Jan 2006 04:09 GMT > Julie, I can empathize. Several years back, I gave up eating breakfast > because every time I did I felt sick. I didn't know if it was bgs or [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > since we're all different. But if you can tolerate Claritin and > Sudafed, I would recommend them. If I don't have protein for breakfast, then what do I eat? I can't eat carbs then!!!
As for the cheese, from what I understand, if it's a true milk allergy then cheese is not permissible at all. If it is lactose intolerance, then cheese can be tolerated. The Dr. said I could eat goat's milk cheese, but I am leery of that. I tried giving some to my daughter. I gave her a tiny amount, just scraped the tines of the fork across it and put it on top of her salad. That small amount made her sick to her stomach.
I take Zrytec for my allergies. Claritin didn't do a thing for me and I can't take Sudafed. Nor do these things help with food allergies. As for lunch meats, I do not eat them. In fact, I eat little at all in the way of meat. I simply do not like it. Don't like fish either.
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Mary - 09 Jan 2006 05:04 GMT Not really, Julie, concerning a milk allergy. It's not true that Claritin and Sudafed don't help with food allergies. If I didn't take them, I wouldn't be able to breathe, and my asthma would be so much worse. I know because I've tried it. And just ask my hubby how much I cough at night when the Sudafed has worn off, and I've had cheese in my supper meal (or even lunch). It does help, but you won't know unless you try it. Everyone is different.
For my breakfast, I drink an Atkins shake, which does have some milk protein in it, but with the allergy medicines, it doesn't bother me enough to worry about it. There are few choices. I like it because it's low carb & has lots of calcium & vitamins/minerals in it. At work, the breads they purchase all contain milk in one form or another (I don't take the time to eat at home since I am out the door by 6:10 a.m.). So I'm happy with my shake.
But I do have a TRUE milk allergy, not just an intolerance, but I've found ways to work around it, or just suffer through some symptoms. If you can't take Sudafed, that will make a difference to you. You need to try things out for yourself, not just listen to your doctor. He doesn't have to live with it.
And if you don't like meat, maybe you will need to try a few things just to get the nutrition that you need.
Mary
>>Julie, I can empathize. Several years back, I gave up eating breakfast >>because every time I did I felt sick. I didn't know if it was bgs or [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > lunch meats, I do not eat them. In fact, I eat little at all in the way of > meat. I simply do not like it. Don't like fish either. Julie Bove - 09 Jan 2006 05:51 GMT > Not really, Julie, concerning a milk allergy. It's not true that > Claritin and Sudafed don't help with food allergies. If I didn't take [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > supper meal (or even lunch). It does help, but you won't know unless > you try it. Everyone is different. Well, from what I've read, this is not the case. And I will not have cheese or milk at all. I am tired of being sick all the time.
> For my breakfast, I drink an Atkins shake, which does have some milk > protein in it, but with the allergy medicines, it doesn't bother me [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > don't take the time to eat at home since I am out the door by 6:10 > a.m.). So I'm happy with my shake. I can't stand shakes of any kind. Never could. And those probably have soy in them which I'm trying to avoid. I'm not allergic, but I've had a thyroid problem. When I totally stopped all soy, the thyroid problem went away.
> But I do have a TRUE milk allergy, not just an intolerance, but I've > found ways to work around it, or just suffer through some symptoms. If > you can't take Sudafed, that will make a difference to you. You need to > try things out for yourself, not just listen to your doctor. He doesn't > have to live with it. Nope. Will not try the cheese again. And I know that milk makes me very ill. I've never been able to have milk. In the past, the Drs. told me there was no such thing as a milk allergy and that I had lactose intolerance. I believed them. This is why I kept eating the cheese. But like my daughter who likely had allergies from birth, I grew used to feeling ill all the time. She feels so much better now that she will take no chances with eating something she is allergic to. I hope to feel the same way. It hasn't happened yet. I'm still at the stage of feeling cranky, weird and sort of unwell as I get all the allergens out of my system.
> And if you don't like meat, maybe you will need to try a few things just > to get the nutrition that you need. That's just it. I don't know what to try. There has got to be something with protein in it besides meat, eggs, cheese and soy. I just don't know what it is.
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Mary - 10 Jan 2006 00:33 GMT Just remember, Julie, one size does not fit all. I've done a lot of my own experimenting for many years and I know what works for me. You can do that too.
Mary
>>Not really, Julie, concerning a milk allergy. It's not true that >>Claritin and Sudafed don't help with food allergies. If I didn't take [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > with protein in it besides meat, eggs, cheese and soy. I just don't know > what it is. Julie Bove - 10 Jan 2006 01:19 GMT > Just remember, Julie, one size does not fit all. I've done a lot of my > own experimenting for many years and I know what works for me. You can > do that too. Yes, I know that. But I don't want to take the chance of feeling that sick again! My life really has been miserable at times and now I know why. I no longer want to have to hang around the house in case I get sick and have to dash into the bathroom. I spent one whole day last week doing that. I really needed to go out and run some errands, but I dared not do that.
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Mary - 10 Jan 2006 03:53 GMT OK, I get it :)
Mary
>>Just remember, Julie, one size does not fit all. I've done a lot of my >>own experimenting for many years and I know what works for me. You can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > dash into the bathroom. I spent one whole day last week doing that. I > really needed to go out and run some errands, but I dared not do that. Loretta Eisenberg - 09 Jan 2006 04:30 GMT Julie, I am so sorryto hear of these issues. I thought that the new year would bring "the best is yet to come", but since New Years, it has been downhilll for me and my family. I hear you have these health issues. People are dying and the year is 8 days old. I pray tomorrow brings a better one.
Last thursday, my mother in law died. We were talking on the phone when she was crying and collapsed.
I see that in one second your life is over. I have decided I have to live life fuller, happier and a much better diabetic.
I am afraid that all the food that is brought in for sitting shiver, (a one week period of mourining) is doing me in.
I have experienced things in the past four days that I never knew people experience. and still have their sanity, At least I hope I am sane. lol
There may not be things you like, but there have to be substitutues. If you are allergic to the eggs are you allergic to the chickens.
Three years ago I took a flu shot and was very very sick I too have a sensitivity to eggs.
I hope you get answers Julie
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Julie Bove - 09 Jan 2006 05:46 GMT > Julie, I am so sorryto hear of these issues. I thought that the new > year would bring "the best is yet to come", but since New Years, it has [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I am afraid that all the food that is brought in for sitting shiver, (a > one week period of mourining) is doing me in. Sorry to hear that. When my husband's grandma died, people brought all sorts of food. They are Italian so there was a ton of pasta and also pastries. My sister in law had GD at the time. I had not been diagnosed back then. I knew nothing about diabetes, except I thought diabetics couldn't eat sugar. She kept getting sick because she wasn't eating right with all the running around we were doing. So I kept trying to feed her pasta because that was all that was in the house We were staying at my inlaws and my mother in law was disabled at that point. They normally had a caregiver for her but since I was there, they gave the caregiver some days off. I hadn't cooked or bought any food because people kept bringing it over. Must have been hard for my sister in law then, being pregnant, with GD and a small child to look after and then all those carbs!
> I have experienced things in the past four days that I never knew people > experience. and still have their sanity, At least I hope I am sane. > lol Well, that's good. Nobody died here, but Angela has been sick and two teenagers nearly killed us the other day with their reckless driving. Luckily my husband was home and he went to investigate. The idiots were still there when the sheriff arrived. I don't know what they were doing other than driving fast and badly. Came very close to hitting my van, then they spun off the other side of the road, flipped the car, bouncing it through my neighbor's yard and taking out a couple of bushes before landing in the driveway. And then they had the nerve to get out of the car and laugh about it! My husband said their car wasn't damaged, but I highly doubt that. The sheriff did call me for a statement and said he was charging them with reckless driving. He also said that they were very sorry for what they did.
> There may not be things you like, but there have to be substitutues. If > you are allergic to the eggs are you allergic to the chickens. I'm not allergic to chicken, but my mom is allergic to both. Angela showed a slight reaction to chicken but not enough for it to be considered an allergy. So for that reason, I limit how much chicken she eats. I don't care for chicken at all I did make some tonight mixed with rice noodles, carrots, celery, onion, green beans and a few peas. I can handle it like that. But to eat a piece of chicken, even with the bones out, disgusts me. My grandma had a farm and I saw her butcher the chickens. I get memories of that every time I try to eat a piece of chicken. I'd be a vegetarian for sure if it weren't for the anemia I get when I don't eat a bit of red meat now and then.
> Three years ago I took a flu shot and was very very sick I too have a > sensitivity to eggs. Mine goes beyond sensitivity. I was very, very ill the last 4 times I ate eggs. So ill that I would never eat an egg again even if I hadn't had it confirmed by the allergy test.
> I hope you get answers Julie Thanks! I see my GP tomorrow. Maybe he can make some sense of my labs. The liver thing is really worrisome.
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Trinity - 10 Jan 2006 00:02 GMT >>Julie, I am so sorryto hear of these issues. I thought that the new >>year would bring "the best is yet to come", but since New Years, it has [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > Thanks! I see my GP tomorrow. Maybe he can make some sense of my labs. > The liver thing is really worrisome. I'm deathly allergic to eggs, bird sh.t, feathers, birds, and I cannot handle raw poultry, BUT I can eat cooked poultry. What's up with that???? At least that gives me a little more choice for meat.
I hope you find things that you can eat. Are there foods that you can experiment with that maybe aren't in the Western Food diet? I eat a lot of Asian food & experimenting with some Indian foods.
Cheers, Trinity
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Julie Bove - 10 Jan 2006 05:18 GMT > I'm deathly allergic to eggs, bird sh.t, feathers, birds, and I cannot > handle raw poultry, BUT I can eat cooked poultry. What's up with > that???? At least that gives me a little more choice for meat. I'm allergic to feathers. I can eat poultry, but I don't like it.
> I hope you find things that you can eat. Are there foods that you can > experiment with that maybe aren't in the Western Food diet? I eat a lot > of Asian food & experimenting with some Indian foods. I don't really know what a Western Food diet is. And I probably don't eat it. I love Mexican food and I eat a lot of that. I generally don't like the seasonings of Asian food. I do like Humbow but it's loaded with carbs. And I like tomato beef, but it too is loaded with carbs and when I do eat it, I like to have a lot of rice or noodles with it. I also eat around the beef. I like the vegetables and the sauce but not the meat. I tried eating this twice as a diabetic, and it was not at all doable even though I ate only one bite of rice. When we lived in NY, I could eat fried wontons with no problem, but they're rather low in protein and then there's that "fried" factor. Not the most sound thing to eat, nutritionally speaking.
As for Indian foods, I've looked at recipes and most of those things do not sound at all appealing. I do like Naan, but again, that's carbs. I tried Puppadums and while I did like them, they made me burp very badly and for a long time. So no more of those.
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Mary - 11 Jan 2006 01:39 GMT Julie, if you keep to your severely restricted diet, you will either be terribly deficient nutritionally, or will be the size of Paris Hilton. You need to be more flexible. But then again, it's all up to you.
Mary
>>I'm deathly allergic to eggs, bird sh.t, feathers, birds, and I cannot >>handle raw poultry, BUT I can eat cooked poultry. What's up with [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Puppadums and while I did like them, they made me burp very badly and for a > long time. So no more of those. Julie Bove - 11 Jan 2006 02:43 GMT > Julie, if you keep to your severely restricted diet, you will either be > terribly deficient nutritionally, or will be the size of Paris Hilton. > You need to be more flexible. But then again, it's all up to you. Not likely. I am careful to get proper nutrition. And I WAS the size of Paris Hilton for many years. Yes, people tend to poke fun at you when you're that thin. However, when I was thin like that, I ate like a pig in an attempt to gain some weight. It simply didn't happen no matter what I did. I was also a dancer and that body type was necessary for ballet, at least in those days. The dance school my daughter attends does not expect the girls to be underweight, although many are.
I finally got to a normal size in high school, aside from one really bad stretch of time when I was violently ill and had lost so much weight that the Dr. threatened to hospitalize me if I didn't gain something. I then shot up from 85 pounds to 145 pounds very quickly! At that weight, I felt grossly obese after having been so thin for so long. But when I look back at pictures of myself, I can see that I was not overweight. In fact, according to my Dr., that weight would be about right (low end of normal) for my height.
But ever since then, I've had trouble keeping my weight down. As a young adult, I had very little money so my diet was very limited and sparse, but I made sure to try to get proper nutrition. And I had a job where I was physically active. I was managing a garden center and hefting heavy bags of concrete, potting soil, bark, etc. every day. Due to the physical activity and very limited food, I maintained a normal weight.
But as my income increased, so did my weight. I didn't eat a lot of food or take in a lot of calories. And I don't eat a lot of food today. My Endo. said that I am just one of those people who will always be fat and never be able to eat much.
Here's what I ate today.
Breakfast: Three very thin slices of polenta topped with tomato sauce and Italian herbs. 1 T. raw pumpkin seeds. Also, 1 T. unsweetened coconut flakes.
I then went to get a tire fixed. Had a flat. Turns out I needed two new front tires. The tire place had free popcorn and coffee. I had brought a large bottle of water with me. I drank that. The popcorn looked tempting, but I didn't eat any.
Lunch: Small whole wheat tortilla topped with scant 1/2 cup refried beans and white onion slices. 4 baby sweet peppers and assorted olives.
Dinner: Taco salad made with lean ground beef, 1/2 cup dark red kidney beans, white onion, yellow pepper, chopped tomato, black olives, red leaf lettuce, 1/4 cup freshly made hot salsa and a few small shreds of Veganrella (oat and rice based). I also had a small handful of tiny corn chips. These are organic and made with no transfats.
My bedtime snack will probably be 1/2 a grapefruit and celery stuffed with peanut butter.
I've seen three dieticians and for the amount of calories I'm eating, they say I need only 1 oz. of protein per meal and another oz. for snack. I personally feel that I need a little more, so often I will eat 2 oz. at lunch and/or dinner. I've been skipping lunch when at home, but I did eat it today. BG is running in the 150's. This is higher than I'd like, but that's better than the 200's and the one 324 that I had last week! And yes, both of the Drs. I saw know of these numbers. Seems that getting the allergens out of my system and not having the chronic stomach upset is getting my numbers down. So even though my numbers are still higher than I like, they have been very stable today.
I have a liver ultrasound scheduled on Monday. So I will find out about that.
Now I realize that I probably ate more olives today than I should have. But other than that, I don't see anything glaringly nutritionally lacking in what I ate. If you do, please let me know. I do try to eat a nutritionally sound diet. And I take supplements for those things that are lacking. Like calcium.
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bantista - 11 Jan 2006 05:07 GMT >> Julie, if you keep to your severely restricted diet, you will either be >> terribly deficient nutritionally, or will be the size of Paris Hilton. [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > Like > calcium. Hello, Julie
You have a better dietary plan than anyone I ever met, and better discpline. Of course, we all have issues that we have no control over and certainly no blame. I doubt the olives had much impact, they are pretty good for us. I know from some of your other posts a few of the difficulties you struggle with on a daily basis and the food problems your daughter has to contend with on a daily basis are enough to raise your bg from stress and keep you from losing weight from leptin resistance induced by stress all by themselves, not to mention your own dietary difficulty finding anything that you can actually eat much less enjoy without worry that it won't make you sick or possibly kill you.
Best wishes and fond regards, rudy bantista@thuntek.net
Julie Bove - 11 Jan 2006 05:25 GMT > Hello, Julie > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Best wishes and fond regards, > rudy Thanks!
Ma¢k - 09 Jan 2006 17:34 GMT On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 04:34:44 GMT, "Julie Bove" <julienospambove@verizon.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet:
>I got my labs back from the Naturopath today. I have a severe egg allergy! >So for all of you who said I couldn't possibly have gotten sick from the flu [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >ill. Why 4 times? Because the first 2 times I really thought it was food >poisoning from some egg salad I bought. um, everyone has always stated that egg allergies are a very real possibility with those complaining they get sick (catch the flu) from the flu shot.
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Julie Bove - 09 Jan 2006 20:34 GMT > um, everyone has always stated that egg allergies are a very real > possibility with those complaining they get sick (catch the flu) from > the flu shot. Yep. But I had no idea that I had an egg allergy until recently. I've never made the connection to my getting sick and eggs except that when I got violently ill around Thanksiving, the eggs tasted funny to me. So I thought it was food poisoning. But then when I had the same reaction a week later to eggs, a light bulb went off in my head. And now I know for sure.
> Good luck sorting out the rest. The Dr. said the elevated phosphorous is nothing to worry about and the liver thing probably isn't either, although I'm going for an ultrasound on Monday to make sure. He said fatty liver is common in diabetics and that's probably all that it is. There is no treatment for that, nor does it require treatment. If that's what it is.
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Sleepyman - 12 Jan 2006 23:14 GMT >I got my labs back from the Naturopath today. I have a severe egg allergy! >So for all of you who said I couldn't possibly have gotten sick from the flu [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >months and my well explain why my BG has shot up higher despite my attempts >to bring it down. http://www.naturowatch.org/
The "egg allergy" sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy to me. It could very well been food poisoning, especially from OTC egg salad. I'm sure you are going to vehemently disagree with me, but that's my opinion. You won't change mine, and I know you well enough to know you won't change yours.
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Julie Bove - 12 Jan 2006 23:51 GMT <snip>
> The "egg allergy" sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy to me. It > could very well been food poisoning, especially from OTC egg salad. > I'm sure you are going to vehemently disagree with me, but that's my > opinion. You won't change mine, and I know you well enough to know you > won't change yours. Had I gotten sick just from the purchased egg salad, then I would believe it was food poisoning. However, a week later I made my own egg salad and had the very same reaction as I did the first time. The first time I ate it, I got sick 16 hours later. When I ate it again the following day, I got sick 30 minutes later. I did not know at that point whether it was the eggs or perhaps even mustard. I generally do not like mustard. And in looking back, during the period of time when I was eating eggs every day for breakfast, I was routinely getting sick 30 minutes after eating. But I never thought of a food allergy at that point in time. I had so much else medically wrong with me that I never considered a food allergy. And I did not have respiratory symptoms which is what I thought a food allergy was. So now it's beginning to make sense to me.
The reason I considered a food allergy now is that my mom and daughter had both been diagnosed with multiple food allergies and they tend to run in families. Many of the distressing symptoms I'd been having were the same ones Angela had been having, but hers cleared up when we took the allergenic foods out of her diet.
Now I do not believe in any way shape or form that a Naturopath is the way to go for medical care. I think a lot of what they do or how they think is BS. However the test he performs is the RAST (blood test) and that is a widely recognized and standard test for food allergies. My mom made the appointment for me and called to say that she did it. She knows I do not like this particular "practitioner" if you will. She has also been very crotchety lately and I didn't want another fight to start with her. So I went there.
He did not try to sell me any supplements. He went through everything I am taking and told me that I do not need a few of them. I have discussed this with my GP and he told me I should be taking those. So I will not be making any changes there. He also said that the elevated phosphorus meant nothing and certainly didn't mean I should stop drinking the diet soda. He said there is nothing wrong with diet soda. He also said that my elevated liver enzymes were most likely caused by "fatty liver" a condition common to diabetics. He said there is nothing they can do for it nor do they need to. But just in case he has scheduled a liver ultrasound for me on Monday so I will know for sure.
Mr. Naturopath has not called me back so I must presume he can't think of any other way to get more money out of my mom in my behalf. He kept wanting to see my daughter, but I told him that wasn't going to happen. He did however freeze a wart off of her finger during my appointment. None of the Drs. I had taken her to previously would do this. They kept telling me it was no big deal. But it was bothersome and because warts are cause by a virus, new warts kept forming. I was treating the wart with some stuff from the health food store. This stopped the new ones from forming but didn't do a thing for the original one. The wart is almost totally gone now. There is just some peeling skin there.
Tomorrow at lunch will make one week of being off of almonds, dairy and eggs. I am not feeling totally better. In fact I am having some weird symptoms I didn't have before. Like acid reflux. I've had some odd bouts of dizziness and at times have feel like I was really light, almost like I was floating. Sort of the same sensation I have at time when I'm having a hypo, but I've checked and I'm not having a hypo. And I'm very tired and cranky at times. The diarrhea has stopped though. Woo hoo! No more stomach pain. And I no longer look pregnant. My stomach had grown so huge and was hard to the touch. I just thought it was because I was fat. Apparently not. I've already lost some weight just in that amount of time. Most likely the dairy was the cause since it was something I was eating every day in the form or butter, or more often, cheese. No more weird stomach noises at night when I'm trying to sleep.
It took Angela about two weeks to feel a lot better. Actually at about the two week mark she spent two days throwing up and then she said she felt a lot better. I've been trying to find something that would tell me how others have dealt with this in terms of how long it took them to feel better and what happened to them as they got the allergens out of their bodies. But I haven't found too much information of the sort. Seems most people were diagnosed with food allergies as infants or young children. Not as adults. But when I was a child, Drs. didn't believe in food allergies. They knew I couldn't have any sort of milk as a baby because I'd throw it right up. But according to what I've read, the word "allergy" wasn't even in the dictionary in the 1950's. This is something that came about in the 1960's. I was tested for allergies as a teen. But they did only inhalants. I was not tested for food allergies because at that point in time the only test they had was the prick test and I was told this was not reliable. The standard test then was the elimination diet and they didn't advise it for growing children because it involved eating a very limited diet for a very long time and really it wasn't all that reliable either.
So... I will report back when I get the results of my liver ultrasound.
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