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Debbie Ames - 05 Jan 2006 12:10 GMT
since I read or posted here. Wish I'd kept up, I probably wouldn't be
where I am today.

(Posted this on alt.health.diabetes also -- like I said, it's been
awhile! VBG)

Like many others who have had diabetes for a while, I believe myself to
be fairly informed on how to take care of myself. But for whatever
reason, I didn't take care, and on Oct. 19 I underwent triple bypass
surgery. It was less than a month from the time initial cardiac testing
took place.

Surgeon said heredity and diabetes were the highest factors, but I also
smoked, lived under constant stress, was overweight & sedentary, and had
high cholesterol and blood pressure.

Yesterday I started an antidepressant because I find myself not caring
about taking care of myself again. I haven't been able to feel joy in
living, and hope the antidepressant will at least give me hope. I want
to see my 14 yr daughter graduate and have kids (so I can be a pain in
the butt, hehehe).

I also started cardiac rehab, finally. Had problems with my insurance
okaying it, and had to ask hospital for Charity Care, which I hated to
do. Anyway...

To the women on the list (not to be sexist, but I don't have any
first-hand knowledge of men's issues) if you are having chest pressure
that you attribute to stress, please have it checked out. I was lucky
(even though I fought the medical system because I "knew" it wasn't
heart disease) and was diagnosed before I had a heart attack.

Glad to be back.

Debbie Ames

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W.M.McKee - 05 Jan 2006 13:07 GMT
>since I read or posted here. Wish I'd kept up, I probably wouldn't be
>where I am today.

Hang in there, Debbie. Most of us diabetics are very prone to
depression, whether we realize it or not. I would suggest you try to
take interest in learning new things... Read, study, and grow
personally. Simple short walks can be beneficial. If you live in an
area where fishing works, go fishing! It does not matter whether you
catch anything, or not.

Also, you might try doing something that helps others. I work with a
youth group and help with a homeless shelter. I have found that the
more involvement I have with things that help others, the more my own
life is enriched.

Just some ideas.... Life is worth living!

Will, T2
KJ - 05 Jan 2006 14:01 GMT
Hi Debbie, I'm so sorry to hear about what you've been through.  I've
only just started reading this board and this is actually my first
post.  I've was just diagnosed with Diabetes T2 just before Christmas
so I'm a newb.  I've learned a great deal since then though & have been
testing a lot to figure out the eating control.

Anyway, the reason I headed to the Doc's is because I was having a lot
of chest pain, palpitations & pressure.  He diagnosed me with the
Diabetes, signed me up for an education class and kinda reluctantly
signed me up for a Cardiolite study.  I think he's blaming it on reflux
but I don't have any heartburn problems other than if I start to diet.
And I don't see how reflux can cause the heart to feel like it's going
to jump out of my chest.  Unfortunately I am high risk and that's why
he agreed to the test.  I'm T2, cholesterol is fine, 200, but have a
really bad ratio of good to bad lipids, I'm overweight, don't smoke but
also live with constant stress.  I'm not a hypochondriac, I rarely go
to a doctor's and I waited way to long to get in this time.  I've not
been impressed with this doctor so far but am waiting to get test
results and finish all this up prior to looking around for another.

Anyway, I've not yet received the results from the cardiolite study.
But I'm worried they are going to come back and tell me nothing is
wrong and not find out what the problem is.

So, here's are my questions.

How were you diagnosed?
What do I need to do to make sure everything is being done properly
testing wise?
And, can hyper or hypo blood sugar mimic heart problems?  I mean, if
the test comes back fine do I sit back and accept that and blame the
problems on BG levels or is there something else I need to be pursuing?

Thanks for considering my questions.
KJ
Debbie Ames - 05 Jan 2006 20:57 GMT
Hi KJ,

I'll try & answer your cardiac questions!

A few years ago I had crushing chest pains that my dr. decided were
esophageal spasms (which respond well to nitro) since an ekg and
echocardiogram showed nothing unusual.

I also had to go to the ER 3 times for rapid heartbeat that wouldn't
slow (180 bpm and higher) and 2 of those times were caused by my thyroid
med, TSH level too high. At least that's what the ER dr. diagnosed.

I started having chest pressure that radiated up into my jaw and down
into my right arm during 2004. My dad was dying and we brought him to
live with us, so there was extreme stress there. Taking him to
appointments meant traveling 150 miles to the nearest VA hospital, and I
can remember more than once praying to just get my folks home before I
died, the pressure and pain were so strong. Dad died Feb 05 at home, and
I was the one responsible for his meds, including the last day morphine.

Late Aug 05 I took my daughter & mom school clothes shopping and had
more chest pressure, so I asked my mom to use her nitro (she has the
spray type). It eased the pain immediately, so I figured it was those
nasty spasms again, and decided to use mom's, since she wasn't using it.

I ended up in the ER overnight because the chest pressure was so intense
I couldn't sleep, the nitro didn't help much and I couldn't stop crying.
Testing (more ekgs and overnight monitoring) showed nothing unusual, but
because of the syptoms I presented, the ER doc wanted to be safe.

After mom went to her new home, 4 1/5 hours away, I called my primary
care and asked for a script for nitro. The dr. gave me a script for 25
pills and no refill after I described what was happening, and what the
other dr. had said years before.

Two weeks later I called for a renewal on the script, I had 5 pills left
and I was as antsy as a junkie not knowing where to get my next fix. My
doc wouldn't renew it without an office visit, especially since I had
used more in 2 weeks than most angina patients used in a year. At the
office, after me fighting all the way (I had decided my problems were
all due to stress, and I WASN"T gonna have any friggin' tests that I
couldn't afford!!) I agreed to have a nuclear stress test, which was
scheduled the following week. (I wasn't too concerned, I just wanted the
heart stuff done with so we could address the "real" problem. And a
coworker had the nuclear stress test the year before which indicated
blockages, so she had the cardiac catheterization and there was
absolutely nothing wrong -- nothing!!) The nuclear stress test indicated
there might be blockages, so I had to have a cardiac catheterization,
which was set for two weeks hence.

During the catheterization, even I could see there were places the blood
wasn't flowing. I asked the doc if they were gonna stent me then or
another time and he told me I needed bypass surgery. I had a 99%, a 95%
an one artery blocked 75% & 50%, so needed a triple bypass. I hadn't had
a heart attack, thankfully.

I have to stop this for now, I was elected to the local school board
while  was in hospital, and I have a meeting in 30 minutes. (So Will, I
am doing some things, hehehe)

I'll finish later, if this isn't too long already, lol.

Debbie

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Cheri - 05 Jan 2006 21:40 GMT
I think you're very lucky to have found out before having a heart
attack. Thanks for an interesting story. I'll look forward to the rest
of it. :-)

--
Cheri

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Debbie Ames - 06 Jan 2006 01:00 GMT
Anecdote about the catheterization -- I can't watch when blood is drawn,
it just freaks me out (I only have one spot where blood comes out
easily, and I'm so afraid someday it won't work!). Well, despite what
the docs are gonna do to me, I was eagerly awaiting the test, just so I
could watch my heart beating. There's some dude who keeps asking me if I
want an anti-anxiety med during the procedure, he says it'll make me
forget what's happening. I sez no way, if I have to have this test I
wanna see and remember. After the cardiac doc told me I needed a bypass,
I turned to the other dude and said "I'll take that anti-anxiety
medicine now, please." I was crying and shaken, still in denial.

So anyways, I'm in hospital a week later getting prepped for heart
surgery. In the CCU (cardiac critical care unit) afterwards I have this
doc come in and put a chest tube in my right lung, seems my lung
collapsed. I remember that so well, even doped up, because the sucker
hurt like, well, childbirth didn't hurt half as bad!

I find out later from my kid that I was serenading the nurses and
cracking jokes in the recovery room, this I don't remember, drat. I
think it's my response to fear, hehehe.

Of course, during the hospitalization I'm on insulin, simply to allow me
to heal. (I hadn't maintained good control over my bg -- over the
previous years I'd be good long enough to show the docs that I could
lower my bg to healthy levels, then go right back to doing exactly what
I wanted.) It's not that I didn't know what to do, I consider myself
fairly educated about this disease, I just didn't (and don't, hence the
anti-depressant) care. Sometimes I felt as if it's the coward's way of
committing suicide, and I've told more than one care-giver that I was
just waiting to wake up dead from a heart attack. Anyway...

Two days after I was in my room another doc visits me and sez "I have to
pull out the chest tube and put another one in, because your lung isn't
inflating, and you're not draining." He's kidding me, right? I'm
supposed to go through the same pain as before, only without the
morphine, or whatever drug they had me on in the CCU?? Oh, yeah, grin
and bear it. I'd rather have all my teeth pulled without novacaine than
go thru that again!!

I do all the things I'm told, I walk as much as they'll let me, try to
eat, but just throw up until I'm taken off the painkillers, and try so
very hard to maintain a healthy attitude. I find out from a student
nurse that my lung collapsed during surgery, the surgeon nicked the
pleura (sic). Great! I just want to go home.

My mom came to stay with us, to help take care of me. She stayed 2
weeks, until I could dry myself after showering and make my own meals.
And make them I did. I was at this time on a: low-salt, low-cholesterol,
low-fat and low-carb diet. I could eat broiled chicken breast and green
leafy veggies. (I actually think my mom went home because she hated
cooking without salt, I really do!!)

At one time I ate by my meter and I know carbs cause me awful spikes, so
learned how to combine foods to avoid said spikes. Doesn't mean it don't
happen, just means I know how/what to do.

Six weeks later I have my follow-up visit with the cardiologist. He's
amazed, because he'd never had a patient who had his hands in their
chest have a perfect EKG afterwards. Sez I, I've never had an EKG show
something abnormal except the nuclear one, so don't go by the EKG. He
said I could go back to work the next day. :-( Which was kinda OK
because I am the breadwinner, and I hadn't any income for those 6 weeks.
That was/is wicked scary.

Tried to get help thru the state before I had surgery, couldn't do
anything except for food stamps. I have never, ever asked anyone for
help, and it was demeaning to sit in a chair and practically beg for
assistance. At least I tried!

So here I am a little over 2 1/2 months out of surgery. I've lost 15
pounds, stopped smoking the night before surgery (went 2 whole months
smoke free I did!), and am trying to eat right and maintain good bg
control. I've started cardiac rehab, work part-time and seeing a
therapist. So there is light at the end of my tunnel.

Hope I wasn't too boring.

Now KJ, to answer the rest of your questions (if you've read this far!
hehehe) -- I honestly don't know if high or low glucose levels can mimic
heart problems, but sweets, I wouldn't take the chance. If the test
results come back fine, ask how many women have false positive readings.
And if you just don't feel right, fight for yourself. Make the medical
community take you seriously until proven otherwise.

There's an organization called WomenHeart for women with heart disease,
and their site lists the symptoms for heart attack that women have. I
don't know if it's kosher to put the URL here, but I'm gonna do it, dang
it! Won't do it again if y'all tell me not to. But from their site:
 "WomenHeart is the nation's only national patient advocacy
organization serving the 8,000,000 American women living with heart
disease and provides them support, information and advocacy. We aim to
improve their quality of life and healthcare, to include early
detection, accurate diagnosis and proper treatment."

www.womenheart.org

{{{{{{{{{{to all of you}}}}}}}}}}

Debbie
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Cheri - 06 Jan 2006 01:10 GMT
Not boring at all. Sounds like a nightmare at times, but sounds like
you're on your way to recovery. It's great about the stopping smoking
and the weight loss, and thanks for sharing your story.

--
Cheri

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>So here I am a little over 2 1/2 months out of surgery. I've lost 15
>pounds, stopped smoking the night before surgery (went 2 whole months
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>Hope I wasn't too boring.
W.M.McKee - 06 Jan 2006 01:18 GMT
>Anecdote about the catheterization -- I can't watch when blood is drawn,
>it just freaks me out (I only have one spot where blood comes out
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>cracking jokes in the recovery room, this I don't remember, drat. I
>think it's my response to fear, hehehe.

Debbie, you are a dear....

I have been through the "procedure", and I know how it goes. Thank
God, you are still with us! I spent 3 days in intensive care and
another 3 in CCU..... If your experience was anything like mine, you
have become a different person, .... at least someone with a
completely different outlook on life. For me, afterward, the colors
seemed brighter, the sounds seemed more wonderful, and things were
just more immediate, in a way beyond describing. Above all, I felt a
love for all living things that I had never felt before.....

Please keep us posted. And this is no B.S., above everything else,
take care of yourself and appreciate every moment!

Will, T2
Mary - 06 Jan 2006 01:42 GMT
Wow, Debbie!  Don't apologize for anything.  You're awesome!

Mary

> Anecdote about the catheterization -- I can't watch when blood is drawn,
> it just freaks me out (I only have one spot where blood comes out
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> Debbie
KJ - 07 Jan 2006 03:26 GMT
Debbie, thank you so much for your response!  And thank you for that
website as well.  I'll be perusing it in depth.  I will indeed ask
about the false positive readings and perhaps if I study up a bit I can
get the tests required to figure everything out.  Your post was very
helpful.  Thank you again!

You certainly have been through a lot.  I was hospitalized for
pneumonia several years back.  I was in for about a week.  That scared
the crap outta me.  I can't imagine going through what you went
through.

So Debbie, what kind of design do you do?

KJ
Debbie Ames - 07 Jan 2006 14:24 GMT
KJ,

I do print design and brokering at home. I couldn't sit at the computer
after surgery, but I don't have a heavy workload anyway here. I'd like
to make it my main income someday, but we all know how that works! I
need my day job at a local printshop to keep the medical insurance, I
could never afford it otherwise. Half my gross already goes to pay for
the insurance now. :-( I'm on reduced hours, and using up vacation time
to pay for it. That really, really sucks.

Glad the website will help. I've applied to be a coordinator to start a
local group of WomenHeart, this is a severely financially depressed
area, and I know there are more women in my county who need support --
heart disease, especially when it comes on suddenly like mine (I know it
actually wasn't sudden, but the knowledge of it was!) takes a huge
emotional toll from women. If I can help one person get thru this, then
becoming a coordinator will be worthwhile.

My "board members" have to be women with heart disease, and my advisors
have to be people in the community, preferrably from the medical
community. I already have the dietician, cardiac rehab manager, my PA
and a nurse who is also a State Representative willing to work with the
group, so I think it will go well. I'm just waiting for authorization
from WomenHeart. I do so hope I get it, as we need this badly in the
area. Where I'm also diabetic, I think I have a unique angle the doctors
don't handle well, and maybe I can help other diabetic women keep this
from happening to them. I hope.

Debbie

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Nicky - 14 Jan 2006 22:28 GMT
> Glad the website will help. I've applied to be a coordinator to start a
> local group of WomenHeart, this is a severely financially depressed area,
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> emotional toll from women. If I can help one person get thru this, then
> becoming a coordinator will be worthwhile.

What a fantastic goal! You sound like a winner to me. Thanks for telling
your story!

Nicky.

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Ricavito - 07 Jan 2006 04:45 GMT
> Anecdote about the catheterization -- I can't watch when blood is drawn,
> it just freaks me out (I only have one spot where blood comes out
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Wow, Debbie, you have really been tested, and look how you are coming
through, with your sense of humor and keen wit intact!   I hope you
will be posting more, I will be looking forward to your posts.

Ricavito
W.M.McKee - 06 Jan 2006 02:06 GMT
>Hi KJ,
>
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>while  was in hospital, and I have a meeting in 30 minutes. (So Will, I
>am doing some things, hehehe)

Debbie, you are wonderful!

I have been through many of the same things, in a different context,
which perhaps I shall share with you at a later time.... The important
thing is that you get what you need now. I had that nuclear test,
where a person is placed on a treadmill, after dye is injected. I have
been catheterized.. Believe me, I know what it must have been like!

Anyway, the important thing is that you are still here, and you still
have a purpose and work to do.

Please keep in touch, and let us know what is going on with you.

Will, T2
W.M.McKee - 06 Jan 2006 03:22 GMT
>>Hi KJ,
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>Will, T2

To my previous post, Debbie, I would add.... Try to find ways to
reduce stress in your life. As an attorney who has to be ever mindful
of things like school boards, I know that is an impossibly stressful
position for many.....

Please, to your own self be true, first and foremost.

Will, T2
naneklund@aol.com - 05 Jan 2006 16:58 GMT
I was diagnosed with diabetes in 1990, age 62 - overweight, stress,
quit smoking in 1986, little exercise, cholesterol fairly high, blood
pressure excellant.  So - heart attack and quadruple bypass in 1997.  I
was absolutely sure I wouldn't be depressed............hah.
So I did something I learned from my father.  I went to bed with some
good books for several days and waited it out.  (He used to read
Horatio Hornblower.  I read Honor Harrington.  I think one author
learned from the other.)
Anyway, depression is "NORMAL".  We've got a disease that we'll always
have; it sometimes has nasty side effects; it often leads to other
serious diseases.......So what is new about that?
Had a great aunt who had Type 1, died in the 1930s in her 40s.  Here I
am, Type 2, age 77 and in pretty good shape.  Functioning, anyway, and
enjoying life.   Just got a gardening store ad - new roses, need to
replace some blackberries, and my Christmas cactus is blooming.
Nan, Type 2
Mary - 06 Jan 2006 01:25 GMT
Good for you Nan!  My ex-MIL has diabetes (diet) and is 78 now.  Keep on
keepin' on!

Mary

> I was diagnosed with diabetes in 1990, age 62 - overweight, stress,
> quit smoking in 1986, little exercise, cholesterol fairly high, blood
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> Nan, Type 2
Debbie Ames - 06 Jan 2006 01:27 GMT
> I was diagnosed with diabetes in 1990, age 62 - overweight, stress,
> quit smoking in 1986, little exercise, cholesterol fairly high, blood
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> replace some blackberries, and my Christmas cactus is blooming.
> Nan, Type 2

Hope I'm still around at 77, sounds like you're having a great life! My
kid told me I wouldn't be here in 20 years, but I told her I would, just
to bug her, hehehe. BTW, I just turned 51.

Debbie

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>since I read or posted here. Wish I'd kept up, I probably wouldn't be
>where I am today.

G'day G'day Debbie,

 And what's more, you will have made process in the weeks to come.

At least that is the personal bet I have made with myself.

>(Posted this on alt.health.diabetes also -- like I said, it's been
>awhile! VBG)
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>smoked, lived under constant stress, was overweight & sedentary, and had
>high cholesterol and blood pressure.

Hey, I'm impressed. Not only do you recognise the factors that need to
change ... you haven't sort to excuse them.  As someone's sig file
suggests, people who make excuses seldom make much else.

>Yesterday I started an antidepressant because I find myself not caring
>about taking care of myself again. I haven't been able to feel joy in
>living, and hope the antidepressant will at least give me hope. I want
>to see my 14 yr daughter graduate and have kids (so I can be a pain in
>the butt, hehehe).

I did eight years of crisis line counseling.  

It is a scary business especially when dealing with someone who has OD
and is hiding. The call might as they see it, be their last
confession. Whatever.

I am confident you will get through this depression. You will do it
because you have attached an incredibly powerful meaning to your
existence.

>I want to see my 14 yr daughter graduate and have kids (so I can be a pain in
>the butt, hehehe).

Grand children are great.  

You know why grandchildren and grandparents get on so well?  

Common enemy.

>I also started cardiac rehab, finally. Had problems with my insurance
>okaying it, and had to ask hospital for Charity Care, which I hated to
>do. Anyway...

This is what also impressed me.  Some people would rather die of
shame. You know the sort.  Can't take metformin or high fibre food
because I'd fart and that would be embarrassing. Embarrassment is
often only an early stage to learning, something as adults we learn to
handle.  

Give yourself a pat on the back ... my arms aren't long enough.  
You deserve it for having the courage to do what you had to do.

>To the women on the list (not to be sexist, but I don't have any
>first-hand knowledge of men's issues) if you are having chest pressure
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>Glad to be back.

Welcome back and congratulations on what you have already achieved.

>Debbie Ames
>
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>Wellbutrin LX
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Debbie Ames - 06 Jan 2006 01:16 GMT
Thank you Quentin for the kind words. They help.

Debbie
Mary - 06 Jan 2006 00:38 GMT
I'm sorry you've had such a difficult time with your health.  You need
to really think about how your daughter and others (future grandkids?)
need you to be around to carry on the family traditions!  You are
understandably in a depressed state right now, but with time it will get
better.  You've been through a lot...

Take heart--by you sharing your experience, perhaps others will be
helped.  I often share with those afraid of problems (they have
relatives with DM) to keep their weight down, exercise, and if they
smoke, quit.  The smoking affects so much, but it's so hard to quit.

Hang in there.  You have a lot to live for.

Mary

> since I read or posted here. Wish I'd kept up, I probably wouldn't be
> where I am today.
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> Wellbutrin LX
> Lipitor
 
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